I know talking about your Defensive Line after playing the Taxans is a bit like bragging about your driving distance after playing a whole round from the Women's tees, but is DE a priority for us this offseason, given that we had 6 sacks today?

Two years ago, we drafted 3 DEs to address the loss of Kearse and the impending loss of Carter, and this offseason we added a free-agent who is leading the league in sacks. But, presuming we resign KVB, are our DEs strong enough to get us back to the playoffs?

I'm not impressed wit Odom, I thought he'd have a monster year. But Travis is playing pretty good. I think were OK at DE.

If KVB stays, I'd look elsewhere in the draft and free agency....but if he goes....yikes :hmm:

LaBoy has definitely stepped up the last few weeks...not only has he been getting consistent pressure on the QB, but he's made a number of solid stops against the run, also. He's a keeper.

After his amazing preseason, I figured Odom would have a huge year...alas, 'twas not to be. However, it's not unusual for DE's to need a couple of years to develop. He's looked a lot stronger this year than he did as a rookie...if he can just step it up again next year, he could be quite a presence. (Look at Rien Long...he was absolutely dismal as a rookie, improved somewhat last year, and has been very solid this year. Hopefully we'll see Odom follow suit.)

Honestly, I expected a lot more from Schobel this year. I seem to recall he had some injury issues early in the season...not sure if he's still playing hurt, but he's been inactive for much of the year, and when he did get onto the field, he was largely invisible.

I think the Titans will make every attempt to lock down KVB before they even look at anyone else on the FA market. Vanden Bosch is definitely a difference maker, and his style of play inspires the rest of the line to play harder just to keep up with him. I can't see them letting him go in free agency unless another team is willing to overpay badly.

I have a feeling that KVB will stick around, he comes off as a guy who wont bite the hand that feeds him. As for the others, LaBoy has been okay as a situational guy and Odom hasn't impressed like we all thought he would. By the way, whats up with Bo Shobel? I havn't heard his name called in ages, I guess they gave up? Anyways, I think we'll probably grab a DE in the middle rounds. Regarding your question on if they're strong enough to get us back to the play-offs, sure, but someone has to step up along side KVB.

We had better hope that the Titans step up to the plate and re-sign KVB. Without KVB back, the Titans will be in a world of trouble on defense.

Odom has run out of gas midway through the season, two years in a row. I would hope the Titans rework his workout regimen to build up his stamina.

"but is DE a priority for us this offseason, given that we had 6 sacks today?"

I would be happy if it was a team that had over 1 win in the entire season (including pre-season) It is any given Sunday, but It was the Texans!

No DE is not a priority IF we can keep KVB. If not there are a couple of real good looking DEs we need to consider drafting with our #1 pick. Thats what makes keeping KVB such a priority. We can spend the draft pick on another position like Hawk.

Think about the positive side if we can keep KVB. Right now we have a pro-bowl caliber DT in Haynesworth, a pro-bowl caliber OLB in Bulluck and a pro-bowl caliber DE in KVB. Our CBs are starting to look real solid and they are only rookies. By signing KVB and shoring up our LBs and Ss we could be have a pretty stout defense next year.

LaBoy has definitely stepped up the last few weeks...not only has he been getting consistent pressure on the QB, but he's made a number of solid stops against the run, also. He's a keeper.
The only reason he is able to get into the back field is because of the double teaming of KVB. If KVB wasn't there, I believe LaBoy would be non exsistant.

Right now I hang with Odom till next year. He is very strong and has freakish athleticism. He reminds me of Jovon Kearse, except that he is a bit slower. I say we really focus on his technique, make him do somemore strength training, and try to get him a bit quicker. That in mind we should draft Manny Lawson from N.C. State, he is underrated because he plays on the other side of Mario Williams. But he is a pretty good player, long and athletic some says he is a potential Jason Taylor. He would be a nice backup guy in case Odom doesn't go as planned.

The only reason he is able to get into the back field is because of the double teaming of KVB. If KVB wasn't there, I believe LaBoy would be non exsistant.

I've watched every play on D this year closely from recordings, and KVB isn't always gettin doubled nor is that the reason why LaBoy has had any success. Some of each guys success has been helped by other guys, and that's the case a lot of the time for any team. Al helps make a lot of plays that the stats don't count. Same for bringing more pressure than a team can block for, someone will come away with the credit, but they didn't do it all themselves.

LaBoy has made some plays on his own. He's definitely improved in the run game and has always hussled. He still seems to be slow to react sometimes, like the game is still not coming to him as much on instinct as it should by now. I think he can improve some more. Odom has shown flashes, but has been less consitent. But there's hope for him too.

But if KVB isn't back, DE could be near the top of the needs list.

I like the DE corps for next year if KVB is brought back. I think adding a pass rushing vet or mid round rook to push Odom, Laboy and Schobel could help. Or may be they could just steal a roster spot like KVB did.

Fisher said on his show tonight that they are definately trying to lock KVB up before free agency starts. I hope they do.

I don't think the Titans will be able to keep him unless KVB agrees to something based more on incentives or some kind of two-tiered bonus.

The same issues which surrounded Kearse come into play here. I think KVB would be nuts to not test the market. And who would blame him?

If KVB stays, we're okay on the DL. Odom and Schnobel need to step it up. Both have done very little this year, while LaBoy is looking good and making plays. If we can keep the same line as this year and they improve on their play of this year as well, PacMan and Reynaldo continue to improve, and our safeties and LBs play good, we could have a descent defense next year.

The same issues which surrounded Kearse come into play here. I think KVB would be nuts to not test the market. And who would blame him?

But Kearse was considered an elite DE, KVB can't be after 1 year. What are the same issues? Maybe someone will covet him too much and overpay? We should have more money to tie him up with if they decide to, unlike with Kearse. But I wouldn't blame KVB for taking the bigger paycheck if it's offered elsewhere.

The thing that strikes me about KVB, unlike just about every other good-elite DE in the league, is that he is extremely humble, and takes nothing for granted. I also recall him saying that Wash has been the best coach he's ever had, and helped him fine-tune his overall game and technique.

That's why I like our chances of keeping him; we have more to offer than just a bunch of money. The longer that Washburn coaches him, the better he will get.

I would hate KVB with a passion if he left for somewhere else to get an insane amount of money that he isn't worth. Without us, he'd be nothing. He still isn't as good as his numbers claim, but he could become great with more time under Washburn, who is arguably the best DLine coach in the NFL. As for who I'd like to pair up with KVB, it'd have to be Elvis Dumervil. Dumervil is a bit of a tweener, but under Washburn and a NFL workout programm, he could be the next Freeney.

He's also already the unquestioned leader of that line. He goes somewhere else, he has to start all over again.

KVB just doesn't seem like the kind of guy who listens to agent speak and goes after the best offer.

I don't think the Titans will be able to keep him unless KVB agrees to something based more on incentives or some kind of two-tiered bonus.

The same issues which surrounded Kearse come into play here. I think KVB would be nuts to not test the market. And who would blame him?

The difference between KVB and Kearse IMO is that Kearse was paid the big bucks based on what he did before the injury. KVB is performing after the injuries. It is always a risk anytime you open up the pocket book and pay out the big bucks but KVB's best years could easily be ahead of him instead of behind him. Certainly KVB will not command the same kind of money Kearse got with only one good year under his belt but in alot of ways I feel more confident paying him a decent contract. Kearse was never the same after his injury. KVB also plays the run well which Kearse does not.

Reese has to balance the fact that without KVB we still have a sizable hole to fill at DE. If we draft high in the first we use up a draft pick and still have to pay out a decent contract at that position. If we can get KVB for similar money as a first round pick we get a proven player at a critical position for the defense and still have the draft pick to fill another need. The success of this team over the next 4 years could hinge on keeping KVB IMO.

You're right on the money, Sox.

You can already tell that KVB is starting to set the tone for the entire defense, not just the line.

Reese better do whatever he can to keep him.

I hate to say "I told you so" (not really), but anyone who knows what an athlete looks like, runs like, and plays like, knew that Laboy was the better player and the better athlete from day one. The Titans got it right. Odom is a backup.

But Kearse was considered an elite DE, KVB can't be after 1 year. What are the same issues? Maybe someone will covet him too much and overpay? We should have more money to tie him up with if they decide to, unlike with Kearse. But I wouldn't blame KVB for taking the bigger paycheck if it's offered elsewhere.
Injury risks.

Injury risks.

So explain your point, because I'm a little lost :lol:

So explain your point, because I'm a little lost :lol:
Reese did not attempt to rework Kearse because of the amount of injuries he piled up. He wasn't the same in 2001 with a high-ankle sprain. He was out most of 2002 with the foot and had more issues in 2003. No doubt there may have been some lingering problems with the foot that year as well. So Reese had to make a decision and was unwilling to invest in Kearse because of the injury history despite doctors saying he was 100%.

I don't see it being that much different thant KVB. Here you have a guy with even more of an injury history than Kearse with the two ACLs. But you have a full, injury-free season which hopefully indicates it is behind him. Still, it's just ONE season removed from four others he was largely ineffective to the point of being released.

I just think Reese will not throw a lot of money at anyone who doesn't have more of a proven track record or is an injury risk.

Carter was real solid as far as not having injury issues. Too bad he wasn't close to the producer KVB has been this year. The main difference in the KVB and Kearse scenarios is that Kearse never showed much after the injuries. The risk wasn't just getting hurt again but also not producing at the same level. At least KVB is producing. Any player at any time can blow out a knee which is a risk you take with any player. Heck, EG was as reliable as a back could be but he hurt his toe and was never the same.
Obviously there is some salary/bonus range Reese will feel comfortable with and the fact that KVB has been injured in the past and has only produced one season will have an affect. Certainly Reese will want to have tiered bonuses such as roster bonuses so if a severe injury occurs he is covered.
Either way we will have to take some risk and hope KVB can be productive over the next 4-5 years. DEs that produce like he has are not easy to come by and they are not cheap.

Obviously there is some salary/bonus range Reese will feel comfortable with and the fact that KVB has been injured in the past and has only produced one season will have an affect. Certainly Reese will want to have tiered bonuses such as roster bonuses so if a severe injury occurs he is covered.
I think any player with past injury issues will be looking at the signing bonus/guaranteed money. I just don't see Reese offering nearly as much as what KVB will get on the open market.

We can all talk about how the Titans gave KVB a shot and how KVB loves the areas but it will ultimately come down to who will offer him the most signing bonus. For that to happen, KVB has to hit the market. And why wouldn't he?

Obviously if a GM opens his wallet and spends 20% of his CAP money on KVB he is gone. However, at the same time Reese can't be overly tight with the purse strings either and expect to keep quality players. There is a risk involved. To keep players and win in the NFL you have to take reasonable risks and hope they pay off. We took a risk drafting Pacman. I think it will pay off. We played it safe when we drafted Dyson instead of Moss and it didn't. Trading for Henry was a risk. There is also a risk that if we let KVB go we might not find a player of his caliber at LDE for years to come and have the dubious honor of drafting in the top 10 the next couple of years.

Jeff I agree on the risks of overpaying KVB. So you think someone will come along and throw the big Swiss bank account at him like Philly did with Kearse? Kearse had more of a track record, but I guess if you look at "what have you done for me lately", KVB wins out the year before that contract.

Jeff I agree on the risks of overpaying KVB. So you think someone will come along and throw the big Swiss bank account at him like Philly did with Kearse?
I don't think he'll see anything close to Kearse money but a team needing one or two pieces of the puzzle in order to have a big season may be willing to do more than the Titans can (or are willing to do) right now.

We can all talk about how the Titans gave KVB a shot and how KVB loves the areas but it will ultimately come down to who will offer him the most signing bonus. For that to happen, KVB has to hit the market. And why wouldn't he?

If that is the way KVB feels then state it and go. I don't want anyone on the Titans who does not want to be a Titan. Obviously KVB wanted to be a Titans heading into 2005 and if $$$ is all he is concerned about then basically he, like a bunch before him, just used the Titans to heal up and position himself for $$$. (Carter being the most recent example, but there have been others)

KVB is a Titan because they claimed him off the wire. Let's hope that means something to him but I don't blame any man for testing the waters when he can. He's not "using" the Titans for anything. Actually, the Titans have gotten about the best value they have from a player probably in the history of the franchise.

Ahh, I had forgotten he was a waiver claim, thought he was URFA. And that does change my argument totally.

Regardless though, if he don't want to be a Titan then fine, say so and go.

GoT, I think you are forgetting that this a business too. Sure he feels some loyalty to the team that gave him a second chance. But in the end, if someone comes and doubles the offer that we give, you cant blame him for taking it. I am glad we had the opportunity to have in on our team and be one of the only things to make me smile in a crappy year. I hope he comes back, and gives the Titans a second chance.

Is there anything stopping us from offering him an extension before the season is finished? We're 4-9. It's hardly going to be a distraction going into the playoffs. Sign him up for a fair deal before he tests the market.

Kearse has been a good, but not great player for the Eagles (7.5 sacks last year, I think 6.5 so far this year); but he got a superstar-level contract (isn't Rosenhaus his agent?); I recall before Javon left Tennessee, Rosenhaus thought Javon should be paid as much as Ray Lewis. Nicknames have power; Philly bit. I wonder if they regret that?

I'm sure Reese will talk with KVB's agent and try to work a deal ASAP. It is possible something could be worked out. I'm not sure KVB is intent on waiting out the best offer unless they think Reese's offer is too small. It all depends on what they feel is a fair offer. Nobody should fault a player for looking for a fair offer. Comments about players wanting or not wanting to be Titans are ridiculous. It is a business. The wild card however might be KVB having a real conncection with the coaches and thinking a large part of his success is due to Washburn's method. There is something to be said about quality as well as quantity.

I'm sure Reese will talk with KVB's agent and try to work a deal ASAP. It is possible something could be worked out. I'm not sure KVB is intent on waiting out the best offer unless they think Reese's offer is too small. It all depends on what they feel is a fair offer. Nobody should fault a player for looking for a fair offer.

How are you so sure, can't be because the Titans are known for midseason extensions.

Comments about players wanting or not wanting to be Titans are ridiculous. It is a business.

Tell the players they are the ones saying it. And it ain't just a business, some players actually want to play football, not just cash a check.

The wild card however might be KVB having a real conncection with the coaches and thinking a large part of his success is due to Washburn's method. There is something to be said about quality as well as quantity.

Agreed.

I'm sure Reese will try to sign KVB before he hits free agency simply because he would be a moron not to. Doesn't mean he will get anywhere with the attempt.

You said you don't want anyone on the Titans that doesn't want to be a Titan. Even if KVB wants to be a Titan it doesn't mean he will be one. There is alot that goes into choosing an employer. Pay, security, who the boss is and location to name a few. KVB never said he "doesn't" want to be a Titan. I have no problem with a player looking into other job opportunities and just because a player doesn't choose to stay does not mean they are negative toward the Titans. Your insinuation is just because KVB may test the market he doesn't want to be a Titan. That is ridiculous. If I had to guess I would bet KVB would rather stay. The problem is the only way for KVB to really know what his options are is to hit the market.

You also said " some players actually want to play football, not just cash a check". Seems to me KVB WILL be playing football even if he goes to another team. Actually KVB might land on a team that has a shot at a championship in the next couple of years so he not only gets a fat paycheck but also gets to play in the plaoffs and possibly help a team win something. The Titans are not the most admired location for winning a championship at this time.

KVB is a Titan because they claimed him off the wire.
No, he was a UFA. Arizona released him and he was a 4 year veteran.

There is alot that goes into choosing an employer. Pay, security, who the boss is and location to name a few.

Are you trying to compare an office job to a football game?

No, he was a UFA. Arizona released him and he was a 4 year veteran.

Well in that case I retract my faulty memory and reinsert


If that is the way KVB feels then state it and go. I don't want anyone on the Titans who does not want to be a Titan. Obviously KVB wanted to be a Titans heading into 2005 and if $$$ is all he is concerned about then basically he, like a bunch before him, just used the Titans to heal up and position himself for $$$. (Carter being the most recent example, but there have been others)

and as far as his "value" - that's why he has an agent. Again if it is all about $$$ and not about the Titans the IMHO so long and good riddance

Are you trying to compare an office job to a football game?

The same issues come into play as with any job. Obviously pay is a huge incentive to take a job in the NFL because the career length is short and there is limited upward mobility. However, the team, the coach, the location all do play in the decision process. How the pay is structured also makes a big difference.

I still think this idea that because KVB wants to test the water and determine his value in the market equates to him some kind of slime is ridiculous. The Titans only offered KVB a one year deal to see what he could bring. KVB has exceeded all expectations with his hard work and great play. Saying he "used" the Titans to heal up and leave is beyond ridiculous. Even KVB could not have predicted his success and when he signed with the Titans to begin with I'm sure he was just happy to still be playing in the NFL.
The comment about Carter "positioning" himself for the big $$$ is even more ridiculous. Carter has never had injury concerns and got paid a huge amount of $$$ when he came here. Carter played 4 years for the Titans at an enormous salary. He only left because we cut him.

No, he was a UFA. Arizona released him and he was a 4 year veteran.
Whoops. My bad.

I suppose the McGinnis connection came into play then? Maybe that will lead to a little more loyalty when contract talks get hot and heavy.

The same issues come into play as with any job. Obviously pay is a huge incentive to take a job in the NFL because the career length is short and there is limited upward mobility. However, the team, the coach, the location all do play in the decision process. How the pay is structured also makes a big difference.

The pay is not just a huge incentive, but the incentive to play football because after all you are playing on the field, not working. Trying to compare an 8 to 5 job for a full year to playing a game once a week for a few months doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Not to mention the money of course.

As for KVB, I agree. I don't see anything wrong if he thinks that he can get a very good deal out there, which he'll probably get. Players going to a team that shows them the big bucks is hardly anything new these days. As much as someone wants to be a Titan, Steeler, etc. it's the green that leads the way.

Whoops. My bad.

I suppose the McGinnis connection came into play then? Maybe that will lead to a little more loyalty when contract talks get hot and heavy.
That was part of it. But then only 3 teams were interested in him, and he insisted on a team that played on natural grass.

As for loyalty, we can hope. But I heard somewhere that talks have gone nowhere yet and he wants to test the free agent market. Maybe he just wants negotiating leverage or maybe he wants to go elsewhere. We'll just have to wait and see.

I still think this idea that because KVB wants to test the water and determine his value in the market equates to him some kind of slime is ridiculous. The Titans only offered KVB a one year deal to see what he could bring. KVB has exceeded all expectations with his hard work and great play. Saying he "used" the Titans to heal up and leave is beyond ridiculous. Even KVB could not have predicted his success and when he signed with the Titans to begin with I'm sure he was just happy to still be playing in the NFL. .

Nobody said KVB was slime, but thanks for playing. Your last point about the Titans giving KVB another oppertunity to play in the NFL reinforces my point about KVB owing the Titans some loyalty? in return.

The comment about Carter "positioning" himself for the big $$$ is even more ridiculous. Carter has never had injury concerns and got paid a huge amount of $$$ when he came here. Carter played 4 years for the Titans at an enormous salary. He only left because we cut him.

There are different things other than injuries that someone might need to "heal up". Carter was considered locker room posion before Fisher/Reese spent a first round pick for him. Carter came to Tennessee and as far as I know carried himself on and off the field like a pro. He played out his contract and signed with Miami early in FA, after spending the whole season saying how much he wanted to finish his career in Tennessee.

while you are probably correct that KVB will become a UFA and go to the highest bidder, fact is he does owe the Titans something for giving him the chance to do so. You may work in a profession where in fact the best get paid more, but most of us only become UFA's when they are downsized or fired or quite. Most of us do not enjoy the luxury of having our work being paid for by the highest bidder and comparing an NFL career to almost anything else is pointless.

Your last point about the Titans giving KVB another oppertunity to play in the NFL reinforces my point about KVB owing the Titans some loyalty? in return.


Why? It's not like they were the only team that considered signing him. He came here for business reasons, they didn't have established players at DE and his former head coach was here.

He could've gone somewhere else with established veterans and tried to fight his way onto the roster/into the starting lineup against tougher competition, but...why would you?

So he owes the Titans something because they had let Carter, Hall, and Juqua Thomas go, were in cap hell and they wanted him as much as he wanted a chance -- even though all they paid him was the flat minimum? Even though they didn't guarantee him anything when he came here except he'd get a quality look through training camp?

I don't buy it. The guy worked for his own success. I hope he comes back, I think there's a decent chance he will, but he doesn't owe the Titans anything. They paid him squat this year, and he gave them more productivity than guys making 10 times as much as he is.

Nobody said KVB was slime, but thanks for playing. Your last point about the Titans giving KVB another oppertunity to play in the NFL reinforces my point about KVB owing the Titans some loyalty? in return.



There are different things other than injuries that someone might need to "heal up". Carter was considered locker room posion before Fisher/Reese spent a first round pick for him. Carter came to Tennessee and as far as I know carried himself on and off the field like a pro. He played out his contract and signed with Miami early in FA, after spending the whole season saying how much he wanted to finish his career in Tennessee.

while you are probably correct that KVB will become a UFA and go to the highest bidder, fact is he does owe the Titans something for giving him the chance to do so. You may work in a profession where in fact the best get paid more, but most of us only become UFA's when they are downsized or fired or quite. Most of us do not enjoy the luxury of having our work being paid for by the highest bidder and comparing an NFL career to almost anything else is pointless.

Maybe we don't have the luxury of having the highest bidder but we do make decisions between more than one job offer or if we want to change jobs all the time. Employees also make decisions based on pay, loyalty, geographics and such all the time. KVB owes the Titans little more than consideration of their offer at this point. He was brought in with a one year deal at a minimum salary. To say he should stay for millions less is ridiculous and most reading this would not make that sacrifice in a job that had a short career period. I do think if the the money offered is in the ball park other issues such as mentioned before can come into play. IMO if I were in KVB's situation I would want the big contract 1st and 2nd I would like to play for a contender. There is some incentive for a guy like KVB to stay in the area and not have to relocate if he already likes the area.

I hope KVB still wants to play mostly on natural grass because that takes about half the teams out of the running. Their are 18 teams that play on natural grass. 6 of those teams currently play a 3-4 defense which KVB certainly doesn't fit the classic mold of a 3-4 DE. So that leaves 11 teams that could be potential suitors. With only Bengals, Broncos, and KC having a true need at DE. The other teams that play on grass and play a 4-3 are pretty set.

Panthers---Peppers
Bears------Ogunleye, Brown
Packers----KGB
Jags-------Hayward
Dolphins---Jason Taylor
Raiders----Burgess
Eagles-----Kearse
TB---------Rice

This draft looks pretty good at DE with Williams, Kiwi, Tapp, Hali, Dumerville all being guys taken in the 1st 2 rnds.

Last year the Jags signed Hayward who was coming off his 2nd good yr at Denver to a 5yr contract worth $25mil with $10mil guaranteed. Much less than Kearse money and more in line for what I think KVB should get. If you did the old standard back-loaded contract then his cap hit would be less than 3 mil which is easily do able.

The Raiders signed Derrick Burgess to a 5 yr deal worth $17.5 mil with bonuses of $6mil. Another guy that was injury prone and came on strong at the end of last season with Philly.

I think Floyd has to be basing his numbers off of guys like that, not the Kearse, Strahan, Abraham type of numbers.

I agree, that's what I would expect Reese to be basing his numbers on. More along the lines of Hayward money, probably (and maybe with a little more tied to incentives as long as he replicates ths year's production).

The question is, what are the other teams who might attempt to sign KVB basing them on? I don't necessarily think anyone is going to break the bank to get him after this one stellar season....but you never know. It only takes one team to upset the applecart.

I like the Titans' chances of giving him a competitive offer that is in line with any other offer he'd receive. And if the money is comparable, I would expect the Titans have the advantage in other areas.

Well, if anyones going to overpay, it would have to be Snyder from Washington. He's, technically, the only guy that scares me. I could see him trying to throw close to what Kearse got at KVB, especially if KVB finishes #1 or #2 on the sack list and makes the Pro Bowl.

That's absurd. That's like 66 million, the highest d-lineman contract ever. KVB shouldn't get even close to that. You know he's feeling good about the Titans, his year, his new teammates. If he wants to hit FA, fine, bravo. He's earned it. But the FO should approach him early, before the craziness begins, and hit him up with a number that makes him raise his eyebrows slightly, a little above the average of what he considers "reasonable" given all the factors. Future health being one of them. You want to surprise him, start off around $20M for 5 years. More than he would have expected last year when he was thinking he might be done. Hey, we didn't give that to Travis Henry, and he's still a star.

The tier really is the right approach, IMO. You can pay him pretty well up front, and it's prorated, then if in 2 years he's in his prime and not broken, you can pay him better. That would fit both sides. We'll see a little of the Adam Jones approach to contracting I'm sure.

what is Henry starring in?

The tier really is the right approach, IMO. You can pay him pretty well up front, and it's prorated, then if in 2 years he's in his prime and not broken, you can pay him better. That would fit both sides. We'll see a little of the Adam Jones approach to contracting I'm sure.

Doubtful KVB would get more money in two years than he would get now. In two years, KVB will be pushing 30. His agent's job is to get him as much as he can right now. The second veteran contract. The motherlode for most NFL players.

They're not going to want to give the Titans or any other team a lot of room to push money out. They're going to want a chance to make maximum dollars NOW. Whether that's a single bonus or a series of bonuses in the first 2-3 years (as much guaranteed as possible), they don't want to wait two years to see any real money.