You guys know C.T brings the real and I'm going to bring it again.

Like I said a million times Peyton is a sensitive dude, he hates scrambling and when he gets pressures that Hoesby folds like a lawn chair. Sack this HOEBUCK one time and he's scared for the rest of the day.

Well there goes your record, got BEASTED by the chargers at home lol

Yea Ice that chin it was getting checked all day
http://images.nfl.com/images/2001/PeytonManning4Q_111101.jpg

"How that Merriman feel around them ankles? Choking is a disease that spreads all over the body most noticeable Arms and legs
http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/afp/20051219/capt.sge.phe64.191205004810.photo01.photo.default-295x384.jpg

"Look at this guy playing with his fingers, you're losing and he's playing with his fingers smh. #16 who's that? Is that Jeff Saturday #63? feeling his arm looking for that vein ready for the white "Anti-Depressant" lol
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I agree 100%. The last time they played here in Nashville, I said, Go after Manning. He might get off a few passes, but go after him. Once he's out of the game, its over. Well, we didn't go after him and the results were 35 points after a conservative game. That was the ONLY chance of beating him but we decided to try what everyone else was doing that doesn't work. Any way, now the cats out of the bag. Everyone knows how to beat him. POUND MANNING, game over!

Although this is still the best team in the NFL, the Colts really showed a weakness today. When you get to Peyton, this team looks down-right clueless at times. I'll have to watch the game again to see what speciffically the Chargers D did to disrupt Manning and thus the offense.

Kudos to that team and staff.

I agree 100%. The last time they played here in Nashville, I said, Go after Manning. He might get off a few passes, but go after him. Once he's out of the game, its over. Well, we didn't go after him and the results were 35 points after a conservative game. That was the ONLY chance of beating him but we decided to try what everyone else was doing that doesn't work. Any way, now the cats out of the bag. Everyone knows how to beat him. POUND MANNING, game over!


this is the exact stratey I say works against everyone, but especially GAYton and the weenie.

I wonder how Kenny comforted Manning that night.

It's funny that you all think this was a choke game.

The Colts had nothing to play for with home field advantage already wrapped up.

The Chargers had everything to play for and will still miss the playoffs.

Yes, the O-line hasn't look good the past two weeks and they were allowing Manning to get sacked. Yes, Manning made some bad decisions - 1) going for a bootleg with 4 and 1 on the goaline and 2) passing instead of running when a FG would've gotten them back on top.

So, they had a bad day. Jax almost lost to SF. Your team had a chance to beat SEA, supposedly the #1 team in the NFC.

It happens and don't think for a minute that this loss won't make the Colts more fired up and ready to play. They will fix the O-line blocking and that gameplan will not work again.

Get the talking in now, becase the Colts are just following the history of the 1998 Broncos. Two losses, but a trip to the Super Bowl and spanking the NFC team there.

nothing to play for yet play all their starters.

makes a lot of sense. :rolleyes:

Stanley "Tookie" Williams you died a Man, Your name will live forever, Went out like a G, R.I.P Soulja from Critical T.

make an icon out of him why don't ya

created one of societies worst cancers

gang memebers realize later in life that the life they were living was a mistake. there's nothing respectable about being a thug. you might realize that one day if you ever have kids. gang memebrs can kill each other all they want , but they unfortunately put innocents in their line of fire. what's the point of thuggin anyway? what exactly does it prove and who really cares if you're "beasting"

STW realized that too late - long after the damage was done
he got what he deserved

make an icon out of him why don't ya

created one of societies worst cancers

gang memebers realize later in life that the life they were living was a mistake. there's nothing respectable about being a thug. you might realize that one day if you ever have kids. gang memebrs can kill each other all they want , but they unfortunately put innocents in their line of fire. what's the point of thuggin anyway? what exactly does it prove and who really cares if you're "beasting"

STW realized that too late - long after the damage was done
he got what he deserved


1) He wasn't on trial for starting the Crips. He was on trial for four murders that he may not have done; evidence and circumstances of witnesses and potential jury bias are now believed to have occured at the time at his trial. There was zero physical evidence linking him to the crime scene or victims, and the only "witnesses" were people who were facing heavy charges themselves (READ: persons get their sentences reduced or eliminated for testifying).

2 Williams didn't "create" America's greatest cancers. Gangs were alive long before the Crips and Bloods. Do you know why gangs in LA were originally created?

3)Stan Williams did a great deal of good behind bars, not just writing children's books. He's reached out to countless minors who were interested in or already involved in gang violence. I'd say a staggering majority of the Tookie supporters recognized this.

4 Life in prison is more punishment then a quick lethal injection. Those who say "He needs to be punished for his crimes" are ignorant to how living in prison really is.

Keep in mind I'm not even a Tookie Williams supporter. I think the man is responsible for a ot of wrong in his life. Tookie should not be a special case; there are an innumberable men on death row who are innocent of their crimes, and deserve more attention then Williams. He's not a Mandella. I'm against the death penalty in principle and think that the US should have abolished it long ago. Life in prison is worse then a quick, virtually painless death my friends.

This arguement is moot anyway; the man is dead and only God can judge him now.

Puck, KamikaZ...you both make very fine point(s).
Stanley "Tookie" Williams you died a Man, Your name will live forever, Went out like a G, R.I.P Soulja from Critical T.
CT, don't glorify a guy like that. That is the type of mentality that fosters gang violence. Senseless killing is just that...senseless.

Honestly, a bunch of political talk (that's what it boils down too) doesn't even belong in a smack forum. But anyways...don't give this Williams cat too much credit for creating gangland out there in LA. If it wasn't him it would have been somebody else. Every generation has a series of gangs... Gangs are a result of a society turning it's back on the lowest of castes. You take enough young men with nothing to do and show them some kind of way to make easy money, be it bootlegging (1920 era prohibition) or the hey-day of big time cocaine trafficking gangs...it's all the same...before any of that in mid 19th century New York there were tons of street gangs who's primary occupation was crime be it murder for hire or simple theft...any way to make a buck...Gangs in general could easily be called a cancer...but in fairness cancers have causes.

Now, I don't think that there is any real way to achieve some sort of utopian society here in the United States but I think one must recognoize that society's problems can only be blamed on society, so which, I must reluctantly concede does make this Williams character some sort of victim.
That doesn't necessarily make him a hero. Anybody that does view this guy as some kind of hero risks falling to the same fate, which sadly is not heroic or tragic but just pathetic. If you choose the path of the criminal you are first, a victim of your own choice and second, a victim of society.

make an icon out of him why don't ya

created one of societies worst cancers

gang memebers realize later in life that the life they were living was a mistake. there's nothing respectable about being a thug. you might realize that one day if you ever have kids. gang memebrs can kill each other all they want , but they unfortunately put innocents in their line of fire. what's the point of thuggin anyway? what exactly does it prove and who really cares if you're "beasting"

STW realized that too late - long after the damage was done
he got what he deservedDamn today is the first time I visited this thread and I see this.

Like Kaz said gangs were around before the Crips and the Bloods in all citites of America. I don't you see saying anything about the Mafia or the KKK???

Puck, KamikaZ...you both make very fine point(s).

CT, don't glorify a guy like that. That is the type of mentality that fosters gang violence. Senseless killing is just that...senseless.

Honestly, a bunch of political talk (that's what it boils down too) doesn't even belong in a smack forum. But anyways...don't give this Williams cat too much credit for creating gangland out there in LA. If it wasn't him it would have been somebody else. Every generation has a series of gangs... Gangs are a result of a society turning it's back on the lowest of castes. You take enough young men with nothing to do and show them some kind of way to make easy money, be it bootlegging (1920 era prohibition) or the hey-day of big time cocaine trafficking gangs...it's all the same...before any of that in mid 19th century New York there were tons of street gangs who's primary occupation was crime be it murder for hire or simple theft...any way to make a buck...Gangs in general could easily be called a cancer...but in fairness cancers have causes.

Now, I don't think that there is any real way to achieve some sort of utopian society here in the United States but I think one must recognoize that society's problems can only be blamed on society, so which, I must reluctantly concede does make this Williams character some sort of victim.
That doesn't necessarily make him a hero. Anybody that does view this guy as some kind of hero risks falling to the same fate, which sadly is not heroic or tragic but just pathetic. If you choose the path of the criminal you are first, a victim of your own choice and second, a victim of society.


Probably the most coherent/insightful post I've ever seen you drop, even though I disagree with a few of your points. :))

Plus, the man had a 22 inch bicep/55 inch chest.


"If you can't respect that, your whole perspective is wack" -Jay-Z

was he a man or a mountain?

after he was convicted of quadriple homocide he had lots of time in prison to work on his physique.

Quadruple...


And he was a beast before hand.

see I ain't no spelling policeman, and yes he was a beast.

and I know we are useing different meanings of the word and we are both correct

Wasn't aware "quadriple" was a word...

me neither - obvious typo - good catch Starskey

You implied you had some sort of double meaning for the word. Maybe I interpreted it wrong...

yeah maybe he had huge thighs. :ha:

You implied you had some sort of double meaning for the word. Maybe I interpreted it wrong...


I was talking about your and my different meanings to the word beast

You were, I assume, referencing the QUADRUPLE murderers physique, while I was referencing his mentality.

Gotcha...I thought you were referencing a made up word. My bad. :ha:

Gotcha...I thought you were referencing a made up word. My bad. :ha:


lol

Puck, KamikaZ...you both make very fine point(s).

CT, don't glorify a guy like that. That is the type of mentality that fosters gang violence. Senseless killing is just that...senseless.

Honestly, a bunch of political talk (that's what it boils down too) doesn't even belong in a smack forum. But anyways...don't give this Williams cat too much credit for creating gangland out there in LA. If it wasn't him it would have been somebody else. Every generation has a series of gangs... Gangs are a result of a society turning it's back on the lowest of castes. You take enough young men with nothing to do and show them some kind of way to make easy money, be it bootlegging (1920 era prohibition) or the hey-day of big time cocaine trafficking gangs...it's all the same...before any of that in mid 19th century New York there were tons of street gangs who's primary occupation was crime be it murder for hire or simple theft...any way to make a buck...Gangs in general could easily be called a cancer...but in fairness cancers have causes.

Now, I don't think that there is any real way to achieve some sort of utopian society here in the United States but I think one must recognoize that society's problems can only be blamed on society, so which, I must reluctantly concede does make this Williams character some sort of victim.
That doesn't necessarily make him a hero. Anybody that does view this guy as some kind of hero risks falling to the same fate, which sadly is not heroic or tragic but just pathetic. If you choose the path of the criminal you are first, a victim of your own choice and second, a victim of society.

I agree with KamikaZ, definitely the best and most pointed post I have seen you make. Kudos. My hat is off to you. If I had a hat. Which I don't.

It's funny that you all think this was a choke game.

The Colts had nothing to play for with home field advantage already wrapped up.

The Chargers had everything to play for and will still miss the playoffs.

Yes, the O-line hasn't look good the past two weeks and they were allowing Manning to get sacked. Yes, Manning made some bad decisions - 1) going for a bootleg with 4 and 1 on the goaline and 2) passing instead of running when a FG would've gotten them back on top.

So, they had a bad day. Jax almost lost to SF. Your team had a chance to beat SEA, supposedly the #1 team in the NFC.

It happens and don't think for a minute that this loss won't make the Colts more fired up and ready to play. They will fix the O-line blocking and that gameplan will not work again.

Get the talking in now, becase the Colts are just following the history of the 1998 Broncos. Two losses, but a trip to the Super Bowl and spanking the NFC team there.

The Colts had nothing to play for? If the games the Colts choked in means nothing to them why do they all look like they are about ready to cry?
EXCUSES EXCUSES

Wouldn't you be sad if you lost a game after winning thirteen straight?

It doesn't matter since their is nothing really gained by going undefeated.

All this nonsense will be forgotten when the Colts win the Super Bowl.