If VY Vince Young goes pro this NFL draft the TITANS should give up everything draft picks do a saints deal give up all picks to get him. Any player anyone we dont have anyone that great anyway but give up what you need to to get IN-Vinceable.

Stop this mess about his arm he has one of the quickiest released ive ever seen and a hell of a gun I mean that ball gets to where it needs to in a hurry. His vision in running is unlike anything ive ever seen. I have seen him launch the ball 50 yards in the air so this arm strength junk im not sure where that comes from.

Bottom line if Vince goes NFL GET HIM!!!!!!!!

He is one in a million. Hey put 420yds on a team that has not lost a game in 2 years..

Took the words right out of my mouth

Thats crazy. No way do we give "EVERYTHING" meaning picks, up to get him. He is not the "Awnser" all our problems. He could be a help, but we have other needs...DEFENSE, DEFENSE, DEFENSE, to work on.

Not that, but a 1st, next years 1st, next years 3rd, and trade Volek somewhere to get a 3rd and trade that to move up two spots.

I still think that is too much. I can see MAYBE, this years 1st, next years 2nd. MAYBE. I am almost just as happy taking Lienhart or Cutler.

I suppose the Saints could listen to a Volek trade.

Of course Young may want to come here and may enquire about the Saints intentions and that will determine whether he comes out or not.

If VY Vince Young goes pro this NFL draft the TITANS should give up everything draft picks do a saints deal give up all picks to get him. Any player anyone we dont have anyone that great anyway but give up what you need to to get IN-Vinceable.

Stop this mess about his arm he has one of the quickiest released ive ever seen and a hell of a gun I mean that ball gets to where it needs to in a hurry. His vision in running is unlike anything ive ever seen. I have seen him launch the ball 50 yards in the air so this arm strength junk im not sure where that comes from.

Bottom line if Vince goes NFL GET HIM!!!!!!!!

He is one in a million. Hey put 420yds on a team that has not lost a game in 2 years..I wrote this in the other thread.

- Young is no NFL QB. Is he exciting to watch run the ball ? yes, but he's no QB. He stays in the shotgun the entire game, every play. When he does throw it... its to the flat, and he puts up mis-leading stats in a " Zone step " offense. I can't believe fans are considering him as our first pick with the idea he could be a NFL QB. He would have little to no success at that level.

Him being in the shot gun every play... is a indicator that he can not process defense(s) quickly and needs the extra time. Tonight it looked like they ran the same play.. over and over again. I felt like I was watching some guy on xbox playing NFL live that keeps running the same play or Nebraska running the option in the early 90's.

i believe mcnair played mostly out of the shotgun in college, as did byron leftwich and chad pennington.

Bush, Leinart, or Young is fine with me. No need to trade for anything as one of those three players would be fine choices.

i believe mcnair played mostly out of the shotgun in college, as did byron leftwich and chad pennington.Leftwich, Pennington have done nothing to mount on their career walls and Mcnair is playing off of reputation steming from the 99'season... which he won some games, but it was our defense that got us to the Super-bowl. I like McNair as much as the next guy, but he is extremely inaccurate and he struggles reading defenses.

i suppose McNairs MVP is irrelivant?

He shouldn't have been " Co " mvp... he basically didn't even play half the season. Manning was clearly the MVP that year.

If Young developed into as good of a QB as McNair that wouldn't be a bad thing but no way is he worth moving up in the draft this year. Leinhart and Cutler could be as good in the pros and at #3 all we have to do is pick the best player the other two don't pick and we are assured of getting a quality QB or Bush. With Young's performance it isn't as cut and dried as I thought that Houston will take Bush. They could go for Young which means Leinhart will get picked by the Saints. We would get to draft Bush. Even if Houston picks Bush we still get our choice of whatever QBs the Saints don't pick. With the draft stacked at QB there is simply no reason to throw picks away when we are already at #3.
By the way, Cutler will be in the mix come draft time. He has a better arm than Leinhart and is more mobile. He also has an IQ of about 145.

Leftwich, Pennington have done nothing to mount on their career walls and Mcnair is playing off of reputation steming from the 99'season... which he won some games, but it was our defense that got us to the Super-bowl. I like McNair as much as the next guy, but he is extremely inaccurate and he struggles reading defenses.


You're REALLY reaching with this post on the portion on Mac. Living off a rep from '99? Riiight. Because his best years just happened to be in 2001-2003. And if you don't think Mac was deserving of his Co-MVP status, then you must have forgotten how vital he was to that team; I mean "carry that offense on your shoulders" vital. So that throws that BS out the window.

You seem to be riding hard for Jay Cutler. Let me tell you; I will be shocked if he's taken before Young (if he declares) or Leinhart, even with an outstanding combine. A Vandy QB? I like Cutler, and would happy to take him in the second, but no WAY I'd take him with the 3rd. I see him realistically in the middle in the first, and maybe reaches as far as the very early first 2nd round. You're reaching hard playboy.

^ exactly.

Bush, Leinart, or Young is fine with me. No need to trade for anything as one of those three players would be fine choices.

Well said. No need to be pushy. Gold falls into our lap either way you look at it. (bad metaphor)

I wrote this in the other thread.

- Young is no NFL QB. Is he exciting to watch run the ball ? yes, but he's no QB. He stays in the shotgun the entire game, every play. When he does throw it... its to the flat, and he puts up mis-leading stats in a " Zone step " offense. I can't believe fans are considering him as our first pick with the idea he could be a NFL QB. He would have little to no success at that level.

Him being in the shot gun every play... is a indicator that he can not process defense(s) quickly and needs the extra time. Tonight it looked like they ran the same play.. over and over again. I felt like I was watching some guy on xbox playing NFL live that keeps running the same play or Nebraska running the option in the early 90's.

Not to pick on you, TP, but you sound like Young is cheating. It's cracking me up.

The other virtue I think of drafting Young will be bringing out the best of whatever Steve has left in his own game. McNair will want to pass on all his skills to Young, moreso than another QB. He'd treat Leinart or Cutler just fine, but he's got a lot emotionally invested in Young. He's like his little brother.

Thats crazy. No way do we give "EVERYTHING" meaning picks, up to get him. He is not the "Awnser" all our problems. He could be a help, but we have other needs...DEFENSE, DEFENSE, DEFENSE, to work on.


At least spell it right in your signature... its Leinhart.... thats like someone saying Steve MacNair.... haha :)... I just hope we get one of them.... We will prolly end of trading down to get this awesome 2 punter.

its Leinart, no 'h'.

At least spell it right in your signature... its Leinhart.... thats like someone saying Steve MacNair.... haha :)... I just hope we get one of them.... We will prolly end of trading down to get this awesome 2 punter.

You mispelled it, too. It's Leinart.


LIONHEART! (see "VanDamme")

You're reaching hard playboy.Who the H*ll are you calling playboy ? I'll have my opinion just like anyone else... and trust me styles, I'm the last person you want to challenge when it comes to analysis, stats, History, trivia... ect about the Oilers'/Titans'. You want to act like a punk, I'll treat you like one and embarrass you infront of your friends... I'll knock you off your soapbox and make you think you were a fan.

I'm the last person you want to challenge when it comes to analysis, stats, History, trivia... ect about the Oilers'/Titans'.

what exactly does that prove?

I wouldnt exactly go round bragging about that kinda stuff either, sounds like you got no life.

what exactly does that prove?

I wouldnt exactly go round bragging about that kinda stuff either, sounds like you got no life.You have almost 10,000 post... and your giving me crap.

You have almost 10,000 post... and your giving me crap.

Good post, Gunny, but "touche." :winker:

8 posts a day (my average) takes me in total 30 minutes to do. I still have 23 hours 30 minutes left in the day.

Pride calm down, no one's trying to get you. We all have our opinions here.

I watched him last night, and his scrambling ability is purely based on his vision to get away from defenders. His speed looks overrated (I'd say 4.6-4.7 SPD), and unless he powers over defenders (which he didn't do), that agility won't do **** against faster more powerful players. He pushes the ball out, and has a weird delivery no question. The thing that I was talkin about to a guy on IRC;

Omar Jacobs has put up better stats (40 tds with 4 ints), so obviously can play at a high level. He had a down year ths year, and next year he could be playing some TOP defences such as Ohio State. If he stays in school and performs well against those defences, he'll have more NFL upside that Vince Young in my view. If he doesn't perform well, or doesn't stay in school, his stock has dropped and some see him as a 3rd or possibly a 4th rounder. If he dropped their, I'd take him in a heartbeat, and not play him as a rookie (or in games which mean **** because of the deficit) so get him up to speed.

I think Vince Young will be much like that of Michael Vick, but the fact is he doesn't have Vick Speed, so in the NFL I think he'll have to be more of a Culpepper, without the run first mentality. I guessed last night that in 5 years time, if VYoung and OJacobs get EQUAL (or near) opportinity in the NFL, I think Omar will be the better QB, irrelevant of situation.

If VY Vince Young goes pro this NFL draft the TITANS should give up everything draft picks do a saints deal give up all picks to get him. Any player anyone we dont have anyone that great anyway but give up what you need to to get IN-Vinceable.

Stop this mess about his arm he has one of the quickiest released ive ever seen and a hell of a gun I mean that ball gets to where it needs to in a hurry. His vision in running is unlike anything ive ever seen. I have seen him launch the ball 50 yards in the air so this arm strength junk im not sure where that comes from.


Bottom line if Vince goes NFL GET HIM!!!!!!!!

He is one in a million. Hey put 420yds on a team that has not lost a game in 2 years..

dude stop smoking

I watched him last night, and his scrambling ability is purely based on his vision to get away from defenders. His speed looks overrated (I'd say 4.6-4.7 SPD), and unless he powers over defenders (which he didn't do), that agility won't do **** against faster more powerful players. He pushes the ball out, and has a weird delivery no question. The thing that I was talkin about to a guy on IRC;

Omar Jacobs has put up better stats (40 tds with 4 ints), so obviously can play at a high level. He had a down year ths year, and next year he could be playing some TOP defences such as Ohio State. If he stays in school and performs well against those defences, he'll have more NFL upside that Vince Young in my view. If he doesn't perform well, or doesn't stay in school, his stock has dropped and some see him as a 3rd or possibly a 4th rounder. If he dropped their, I'd take him in a heartbeat, and not play him as a rookie (or in games which mean **** because of the deficit) so get him up to speed.

I think Vince Young will be much like that of Michael Vick, but the fact is he doesn't have Vick Speed, so in the NFL I think he'll have to be more of a Culpepper, without the run first mentality. I guessed last night that in 5 years time, if VYoung and OJacobs get EQUAL (or near) opportinity in the NFL, I think Omar will be the better QB, irrelevant of situation.


Young clearly makes better decisions than Vick. And even though Vick has sub 4.4 speed, Young is the only NCAA QB to have over 2500 yards passing and 1000 yards rushing - and not to mention the highest passer rating this year. He showed he can sit in the pocket. He let 3 defenders get to him and he just stood like a brick wall and made his throw.

I like Jacobs, but no way do I 1) think he lasts until the 3rd or 4th with the top 3 QBs likely going in round one and 2) wait until a later round, or next year to draft a QB like him knowing my best chance is right there at #3, waiting to see what happens. Now, if we get Bush in round one and Jacobs is there later, then okay maybe, but the odds are against that strategy being successful.

Jacobs, and Cutler for that matter, are both desirable QBs, but neither are worth the #3 pick, which is our best chance at getting a QB, IMO.

Titanpride, calm down a bit man. You have done this before if I recall correctly. I think you said you would embarrass me too. Did you forget to take you meds? So he called you a playboy, roll with the punches. But then again, I would really like to see you embarrass someone on this sight. Go ahead man embarrass them.

You're REALLY reaching with this post on the portion on Mac. Living off a rep from '99? Riiight. Because his best years just happened to be in 2001-2003. And if you don't think Mac was deserving of his Co-MVP status, then you must have forgotten how vital he was to that team; I mean "carry that offense on your shoulders" vital. So that throws that BS out the window.

You seem to be riding hard for Jay Cutler. Let me tell you; I will be shocked if he's taken before Young (if he declares) or Leinhart, even with an outstanding combine. A Vandy QB? I like Cutler, and would happy to take him in the second, but no WAY I'd take him with the 3rd. I see him realistically in the middle in the first, and maybe reaches as far as the very early first 2nd round. You're reaching hard playboy.

thats why we need to draft leinart for his accuracy and his pocket presence and plain old ability to play. tell me you did not see it. I'm no usc fan, but they did not stay in there rush lanes and the coach did a poor job managing the game thats why they lost.....

what exactly does that prove?

I wouldnt exactly go round bragging about that kinda stuff either, sounds like you got no life.

actually , there for a minute he sounded like you :brow:

I never said Omar Jacobs was #3 quality. But I believe taking Omar with a 2nd or 3rd round pick will be better off than taking vince young at #3 or with a top-10 pick next year.

"Young is the only NCAA QB to have over 2500 yards passing and 1000 yards rushing" and Omar Jacobs has the NCAA QB record with 40 tds and 4 ints. 1,000 yards rushing with the speed I saw last night will equate to less than 600 in the NFL. He doesn't have the speed to match the agility to have the success at running Vick has (and he only got 550 yards). He's a better passer than Vick, but that doesn't say an awful lot, really does it. Take away vicks speed and he isn't a starter at QB.

Titanpride, calm down a bit man. You have done this before if I recall correctly. I think you said you would embarrass me too. Did you forget to take you meds? So he called you a playboy, roll with the punches. But then again, I would really like to see you embarrass someone on this sight. Go ahead man embarrass them.Too funny... I've never provoked or gone after anyone for their opinion and people start coming out of the wood works. Look at how this whole thing got started... then let me know. I've got Flav'a Flav who wants to go from opinion to personal

I never said Omar Jacobs was #3 quality. But I believe taking Omar with a 2nd or 3rd round pick will be better off than taking vince young at #3 or with a top-10 pick next year.

"Young is the only NCAA QB to have over 2500 yards passing and 1000 yards rushing" and Omar Jacobs has the NCAA QB record with 40 tds and 4 ints. 1,000 yards rushing with the speed I saw last night will equate to less than 600 in the NFL. He doesn't have the speed to match the agility to have the success at running Vick has (and he only got 550 yards). He's a better passer than Vick, but that doesn't say an awful lot, really does it. Take away vicks speed and he isn't a starter at QB.

I never said you did, thnom. I just said #3 was our best chance for getting a QB. Besides, Jacobs' best chance right now is to return for another year of eligibility and compete with Brady Quinn. If we get Bush, we might keep an eye out for Jacobs next year.

My point about the yardage is he has more rushing yards in a season than Vick ever had, even though he is slower, by like 1.xx seconds.

And yes, it says a lot when you look at his passer rating (higher than Jacobs, I believe) and see that he completed 75% of his passes going head to head with Leinart.

Right now I'm looking at Young like he's more of a Roethlisberger (decision-making) with vision and speed. I don't think of him like Vick as much as some do. That's the obvious comparison. If he learns behind McNair for two years, I think he's ready.

Too funny... I've never provoked or gone after anyone for their opinion and people start coming out of the wood works. Look at how this whole thing got started... then let me know. I've got Flav'a Flav who wants to go from opinion to personal


I don't think there's a real reason for the argument, guys. Pride, I don't think KaZ was trying to offend you by calling you "playboy."

His speed looks overrated (I'd say 4.6-4.7 SPD), and unless he powers over defenders (which he didn't do)

didnt he run over someone to get one of his TDs?

didnt he run over someone to get one of his TDs?

Hell, I saw him run over, through, by, under and around alot of dudes

TitanPride, your acting like a fool. Being called "playboy" is not an insult, and he was giving his opinion just like you were. Your the one who ATTACKED someone. THATS my opinion.

Your "flav, Flav" comment is an attack, as was your first post. I dont care if you have a MILLION post, its not neccesarry.

Playboy is comparable to "dude", or homey, or Man.

Who the H*ll are you calling playboy ? I'll have my opinion just like anyone else... and trust me styles, I'm the last person you want to challenge when it comes to analysis, stats, History, trivia... ect about the Oilers'/Titans'. You want to act like a punk, I'll treat you like one and embarrass you infront of your friends... I'll knock you off your soapbox and make you think you were a fan.


People who catch feelings on a message board need to get a grip. Breathe now, breathe.

Oh yeah, Ammo is right. Since when is "playboy" anything other then a term of endearment. You tried to embarass me and now embarrassed yourself with your gross overexageration.

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Look here people we are no where near a playoff run or Superbowl run we are building for one for the future. Mcnair has good years left. Draft Young he is a taller, stronger, faster version of Mcnair when he was drafted. All I am saying is if he does come out this year it would be worth it to make some moves to ensure that we get him. Mcnair is his mentor and would be a great mentor in the NFL learning the ropes and such.

Draft Vince Young, sit him a few years let him get seasoned and learn the NFL game and then build around him for the future and stock up and get pieces of the puzzle in place such as WR, O Line, and of course Defense then when he is ready similar to what Palmer for the Bengals did and what Mcnair did.

Someone said Young looked like someone playing xbox and looked like a video game. Yeah he did that against the USC Trojans who had not lost a game in 3 years. (many of those USC Trojans will be playing on sunday)

The man led the nation in Pass Percentage his throws are accurate and leave his hand in a hurry. He threw 40 times and completed 30 of them 10 balls hit the ground all night. Oh and that argument that he only threw to the flat well to me it looked like he was throwing all over the place on the run standing in the pocket across the middle and deep posts, dropping them off to TE and RB spreading the ball out. Should he throw it to people who are covered???


Patience is the name of the game with the Titans lets build and get the right pieces and I really feel that Vince is the man to do it with this team. I just get giddy thinking about him finding Ben Troupe trotting down field leaping over folks.

Vince Young is the man for the Titans, say what you want about Mcnair but with him we have gone to 1 Super Bowl, 2 AFC Championships, and multiple trips to the playoffs and not to mention NFL MVP. I think thats a pretty gosh darn ok career to me and Vince will be better.

Sit him a FEW seasons? We need a starter within the year IMO.

People who catch feelings on a message board need to get a grip. Breathe now, breathe.

hmm so I wasn't getting any love from you....:brow:

breathe Gunny.

It's more fun to take your meds and embarrASS yursulf even if you can't spell siht. There are some very informative posts in here. If you can't smack yourself don't smack others. Tounge in cheek stuff is all it is...

now listen here...what if Young stays in? Then what? Bush is gone and so is leaner!! :winker: Then what?

You have to take Frickashaw or Brickashaw or Dickashaw or what ever the hell his name is. Or maybe A.J Hawk...

rcarie - why?

Why not? Reese's so called philosophy is to take the best player available so those guys kind of come next after the big three. Hell, we could certainly use either of those type of players on the team.

oh I was thinking if the big 3 were still on the board.

yeah I'd take The Brick or Hawk after the 3.

Just speculating. What if Young doesn't come out. Then it's the big two.

What if Young and Bush stay, ruins the whole draft.

What if Young and Bush stay, ruins the whole draft.

Go Cutler! I guess....:suspect: :hmm:

yeah, if Young and Bush do not declare, then I'd trade out to abou the spot where LenDale White would be (mid teens) and then turn the corner and select Omar Jacobs (if he declares)

I still think we have more pressing needs on the O-line and at LB. Also at safety. It's nice to have these flashy players but we need some big guys to protect them first. And our defense definitely needs work. I'd rather stick with McNair and Brown/Henry for another year and try to shore up the line and the D.

If we get bush, I see us trading CB...sounds crazy, but I think a big possibility.

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