We've all said it on different threads but who do you REALLY want as Titans first pick? (Not if player X is available blah blah blah- just how do you really want the Titans use their first pick)

While I have to admit that I'm probably a little startstruck after watching VY (3 times now on Armed Forces Network, LOL)...I just love the story of him being mentored by McNair. If he comes out, I want him. Throwing motion, speed, blah, blah, blah, blah. He's awesome: a leader, mobile, tough...Imagine him with McNair and Chow (QB coach extraordinaire) for 2-3 years. Wow.

I'd rather have Leinhart. One game doesn't make a guy better all the sudden and Leinhart's been good for three years straight. Trust me, I wouldn't be disappointed with Young, by any means, but I'd rather have Leinhart.

I would disagree with most of your post. Lienart has started every single game as a starting QB, 39. He has been very good for a very long time and it is hard to imagine him failing in the nfl.

I don't get your point about young and one great game. Young has been doing that all year to people. It's that he saved his best game when his team needed it most. I have never seen such poise and leadership from a college player.

I don't really mean it as a knock on Young. It's just that he went from being a 7th to 10th pick to being number one or two in one game. He's a great player no doubt about it. I think Leinhart is a better passer and better decision maker than Young not to mention he's equally as good as Young when under presure. Maybe not the other night but if they played each other say for example five times I think you'd get more consistant clutch play out of Leinhart.

Young came into college very raw. He played only a few games his freshman year, performing decently in those. His sophomore year, he played really well as Texas lost one game. This year, his junior year, they ran the table while he finished second in the heisman balloting. If the heisman was given after the bowl games, he probably would have won it. They don't hand these kind of awards out for one game. He has been good for a long time and has improved dramatically every season.

I've seen players come up 90-130 spots in the draft after the freaking combine. This kind of rise is not at all uncommon. The reason there was such a huge rise is because he played an almost flawless game against a defense that will probably turn out 7 or 8 NFL players. Not to mention he showed great leadership and performed under pressure.

can someone answer this for me. why is matt leinart labled a "winner" because he has lost 2 games in his career, yet vince young isnt because he has lost 3?

it just seems to me that leinart almost benefits from not having a strong arm and being slow because he gets compared to tom brady. while vince young gets compared to someone who cant pass but has just one more loss than leinart.

it seems to me that both guys are "winners" but one has the better tools.

Two Nat'l Championships and a Heisman trophy is probably why they label Leinhart a winner. Young is also a winner but he's a running QB and I'd rather have a guy more like a Manning, Brady, or Palmer and that's what Leinhart is.

I may be way off here.....but I am feeling pretty good about the whole thing. I think Houston will take Bush, then one of 2 things will happen after that....
1) Saints take Leinhardt and we take Young
or
2) Saints take Young and we take Leinhardt
I prefer Young, but I'd take Leinhardt

All of this hangs on IF Young comes out or not.

If Lienart is available take him, if not trade down and take Cutler or someone else.

Who ever takes Young will probably change their system to suit him. I don't feel good about him running like he does. He doesn't take his time and look at other receivers. If it isn't there he takes off running. He will be hurt quite a bit in his career.

IF Young does not come out it'll screw things up, I'm afraid

i dunno, after all this Bush / Leinart / Young wishing, I'd almost feel let down by relegating to Fergy or Hawk

I think I'd just soon trade back and take either LenDale White or Jay Cutler rather then "reach" ,I think the top 3 are worth the money - but the value gets shallow after that

What comes after #9?

What are we going to do with Bush when we have Henry and Brown!

What comes after #9?


10!:)

What are we going to do with Bush when we have Henry and Brown!

hmmm..... lets see

I'm thinking start him

What are we going to do with Bush when we have Henry and Brown!

let me add to that

how 'bout : regroup, start over, get better, move forward, etc....

IF Young does not come out it'll screw things up, I'm afraid

i dunno, after all this Bush / Leinart / Young wishing, I'd almost feel let down by relegating to Fergy or Hawk

I think I'd just soon trade back and take either LenDale White or Jay Cutler rather then "reach" ,I think the top 3 are worth the money - but the value gets shallow after that

That's exactly how I feel now. How crazy is that? Crap, we got Ferguson/Hawk.

Leinart would fit into the Titans faster a be able to start faster, because of Chow. But in the long run I dont know that Leinart would be a Francise QB for 10+ years. Young would be a little more of a project than Leinart, but may be more dangerous in the long run. Young could end up being the next Culpepper not McNair. Why not try to trade down like 3 or 4 positions and get Cutler, and maybe they can get another 2nd round pick or at least a 3rd. Then they can get another Roos in the 2nd round somewhere.

[QUOTE=Puck]IF Young does not come out it'll screw things up, I'm afraid... I also agree, but think Hawk is gonna be a huge longterm differencemaker. A VandenBosch type, leader by his nonstop fiery competitiveness and mad skills. That being said, Young, Leinart and Bush are all longterm "franchise" type players whom you cannot pass on IMO and we are very fortunate that if you're gonna be rebuilding and have a crap year and get the #3 pick, that this is the year we do it. Now if we can continue to develop this young nucleus and get them to stay healthy and play well more consistently I'll be happy. Young is my preferred choice at this time, but I'll admit Leinart was my dream pick up until the other night. I think Young has league altering potential beyond anyone we've seen yet, but the highest risk/reward factor.

I want Vince Young, but if Vince does not come out, I want the Titans to trade down to around 10-20, pick a couple of extra picks up along the way. Then draft BPA, preferably DB, LB, DL or OL.

If we draft Vince Young, trade Volek for whatever he's worth, then use the remaining picks to work on the DB, LB, DL, or OL.

Young would have to be my top choice. Then Leinart. Then Bush. I would really probably take Bush over Leinart, but for the future and all, I'll say Leinart.

let me add to that

how 'bout : regroup, start over, get better, move forward, etc....




We're not gonna get him!




S-T-U-P-I-D can you read that?


We will take Young Cut dry:grrr:

ooops .... you just forfeit your Vince sig I made for you

(be careful what you call people)

Puck...I need a sig...LOL

I want Vince Young, but if Vince does not come out, I want the Titans to trade down to around 10-20, pick a couple of extra picks up along the way. Then draft BPA, preferably DB, LB, DL or OL.

If we draft Vince Young, trade Volek for whatever he's worth, then use the remaining picks to work on the DB, LB, DL, or OL.

I don't think we need extra picks this year. We are so young already that I think we should focus on quality and not quanity. There's going to be some changes this year, meaning that, we're going to be replacing some of these guys like Kassell, Thompson (hopefully), maybe Tank, and who ever else they can upgrade. I'm not sure who it'll be but you can bet that Fish and Reese plan on making some serious moves to get this team back to a competitive level. Hell, they almost have to.... Another year like the last two and I think they'll start looking at new head coach's and GM's.

I don't think we need extra picks this year. We are so young already that I think we should focus on quality and not quanity.
Nice spin on the topic

we will be in pretty good shape this offseason and could make several moves in the FA department. I would almost rather have a few more vets onboard .

Right now with Jacobs also declaring we could have some options depending on where Cutler and Jacobs rate in the Titans minds. I could see us getting some tempting offers for our 3rd pick and if the Titans really like Cutler or Jacobs they might consider a deal where they are assured of getting one of those guys.

Fisher and Reese have to be looking to try to get this team back to a playoff level ASAP while they still have time. Drafting a guy like Young might be great 4 years down the road but helps us little in the next couple of years.

Vince Young

If Young is there grab him, assuming it goes 1 Bush 2 Young I say take Ferguson or trade down to 8 ish if possible and take Hawk. Hopefully the Titans draft board does not have any immature midgets sitting at the top spot.

On the other hand if 9 is done, toast, kaput - then take Leinhart at 3 and have Volek pratice carring his pads around Baptist Sports Park

I'm not sure we can get away with not taking a QB early in the first round.

The Titans have to take a QB with their 1st pick.

Not if McNair is gonna play 2-5 more years they don't. Would hate to leave a franchise LT or multiple pro Bowl MLB on the board for a project QB.

im happy i dont have to make the choice of who to take, b/c i honestly dont know who i want

Not if McNair is gonna play 2-5 more years they don't. Would hate to leave a franchise LT or multiple pro Bowl MLB on the board for a project QB.

We all know McNair's got a year, two tops left in him. If we felt he was going to be around more than two years than we'd have a deal done right now. Fact is any QB is a project, Young a little more than others. I prefer him, though, because he can make things happen when plays break down and is willing to carry his team on his back. Leinhart is being compared to Brady, blah, blah, blah....great leader blah blah...but he's a statue in the pocket and our OLine isn't elite. He has no upside also. I won't be pissed if we wind up with Leinhart, but I can't help the thought of what Vince could be like after a year in the NFL behind McNair and being coached up by Chow. As for LT, we don't know whats up in the BHoppy situation and Roos is a very solid talent that can get things done at LT for this franchise for years to come. As for MLB, there aren't any with first round potential, most are 2nd rounders. I personally wouldn't mind getting Abdul Hodge in the second.

If Young and Bush are gone trade down. Get AJ Hawk or Ferguson and pick up Jacobs/Cutler or even Hackney from UAB.

how doyou propose we TRADE DOWN and still land Fergy or Hawk + Cutler ? the physics just don't work out there

Hackney impresses me vs UT, but i didn't see much of him afterwards

The question was....no ifs, or scenarios. I take Reggie hands down. It's great to be back, it is draft talk time!

how doyou propose we TRADE DOWN and still land Fergy or Hawk + Cutler ? the physics just don't work out there

Hackney impresses me vs UT, but i didn't see much of him afterwards

Trade down to a top 10 pick team that desperately needs Young, Leinart or Bush (like Jets, Lions, Raiders). I'm not sold Cutler going in the top 10.

I don't know if this has already been brought up or not, but the fact that Lienart has already had two knee surgeries put a lot of questions in my head. The game definietly sppeds up at the next level, and he may play for the next 15 years, but those surgeries got to raise questions in somebodies mind other than me. What do you think?

I don't know if this has already been brought up or not, but the fact that Lienart has already had two knee surgeries put a lot of questions in my head. The game definietly sppeds up at the next level, and he may play for the next 15 years, but those surgeries got to raise questions in somebodies mind other than me. What do you think?
How severe were these knee injuries?

Good Morning Everyone.

I am admittedly not a huge NFL fan, and I don't particularly have a NFL team that I follow. My Sundays are usually pretty hectic, and I don't get home most of the time until well after, most games have went off of the tube. {I grew up watching the Cowboys and The Oilers, being a Texas homer}

With That said, I am a die-hard Longhorn fan. Who has followed Vince Young since, his days of High School. This kid is a phenomenal talent. And he does more for a team than the stats indicate.

I don't know if he will fit into your organization... but I would really like to see him in Tenessee...

I would like to give a quick breakdown of alot of the messages I have been seeing around the net concerning Vince.

1.) He does have a strong arm, he is a very big strong kid, he doesn't fire balls in alot for whatever reason, but he has the ability to do so... I have seen him put it on a rope when he has had too.

2.)Texas has always been run first, team, since Mack Brown has been at Texas, he would establish the run, and when he wasn't able tooo... he would still try and run the ball. When Roy Williams, and co. graduated, Defenses would stack 8 - 9 in the box, and dare Texas to throw the ball... They had a red-shirt freshman quarterback, and no proven talent at WR, so we saw the Zone Read be implemented, to open the field up. Vince is not a run first, pass later QB... Most of his runs, are designed runs, which are called in by the OC.

3.)The Tight-end in the Texas offense is used as a 3 or 4rth Reciever. The TE usually streaks 10-15 yards in the secondary... taking a Linebacker with him, to make provisions for the running game... and then every few posessions he creeps 20-30 yards down the field. Lots of times the TE is wide open in the middle of the field, so Vince dumps it 10 yards to him to move the chains. Also coming into this season, not a single Texas Receiver had caught a touch down pass... The TE was the only sure set of hands.

4.)Vince is 30-2 as a starter, but he elevates the entire team to play at another level. Last Year when they played in the Rosebowl and was down two scores in the fourth. Vince went over to Coach Brown, patted him on the stomache, and said "Don't Worry Coach I got this"; This year, the entire team, said "If we get the ball, back... to Vince, we will win" He just has that IT factor.

5.)The stats don't give a true indication of how he scorched teams, outside of tOSU, A&M, and USC; he was often sat on the bench early in the second half, or relegated to hand-off duty. And he did this despite, DC coming into the game focused on shutting him down. When tOSU said, we will make him beat us with his arm, he did.

6.)He made strides this year, in the film room, despite not having a good QB coach. Greg Davis, has long been the brunt of the Longhorns fans rage. He has had stellar talent, and average at best play calling, Vince has been the first one, to make average play calling look exceptional. Chris Simms was the #1 High School Recruit, So was Vince, and Chance Mock, was the #1 QB in Texas, top 10 prospect. Despite all the talent at QB... they were never developed. If Vince falls into the right situation, where his potential can be coached up... I know this sounds like homerism... you may be looking at one of the Great Ones.

Not trying to post to prove anyone wrong or cause an argument, just giving some things to look at.

also checkout jcdenton40.com... lots of Vince Highlights, to form an opinion for yourself.

also sorry for the novel on my first post...:banned:

Great post. A lot of insight on some key things. I think Vince would fit well with us, because he has the will to learn and be good; TN can offer him that year or two he needs to get there, IMO.

I think that that was also a great post. I would be happy with young, and hope he can be the star you think he can be.

Last Year when they played in the Rosebowl and was down two scores in the fourth. Vince went over to Coach Brown, patted him on the stomache, and said "Don't Worry Coach I got this";

That is class.

young, then a safety, then lb, then lb, then c, then g, then takcle then potentially look for a p and wr in FA

I say we draft Max if he is there in the 2nd and sign a LB or Safety in Free Agents.

Would Darnell Bing in the 2nd be a possibility

I think Bing will last until the 2nd round but so much depends on the combine and how these guys time out in the drills. From what I saw in the Texas game he is overated but I haven't had a chance to get a good look at him other than that game.

Yea, he didn't show me anything. Plus, the last thing we need is another injury prone defensive player. If he had played well, he might be worth the risk, but I just didn't see anything worth taking it.

Yea, he didn't show me anything. Plus, the last thing we need is another injury prone defensive player. If he had played well, he might be worth the risk, but I just didn't see anything worth taking it.

The Texas safety made an awesome pick near the goal line.