We all know that there are several people who are not fans of the current DC (trust us, we know). This is not a poll involving coordinators so leave them out. Ultimatley Jeff Fisher and Floyd Reese are responsible for this team. Based on that, what kind of grade would you give them (Fisher and Reese) for the 2005 season?



This is the question posed to sports writers last night on News Channel 5 Sports. Just interested in what people think, though, I have a pretty good Idea...

I don't know if it makes sense to give them a combined grade.

ok , rcarie

try for #3 ..... :brow:

i thought about mentioning separate polls before you deleted the last one

but , I'l do this again :

Reese = B- I thought he had a decent draft

Jeff = C- decent job dealing with strife, but lost the team near the end

I don't know if it makes sense to give them a combined grade.
You can grade em how ever you want. This is how they did it last night so I threw it our there. If you want to list seperate grades you can. It's more of a conversation thing than anything else...

well, I think it's safe to remove "A"

Fisher - C+

Reece - C

I don't know if it makes sense to give them a combined grade.

so do i take the sum and then the average ?

so do i take the sum and then the average ?
I'm trying to figure out if we grade Reese on the draft class, the one entering its third season or the overall talent on the team.

is there a difference ?

Even if you grade them individually, it's hard to give an accurate assessment...

For the rookies, I'd give them an A-. Floyd brought in a very talented rookie class, most of whom made considerable contributions throughout the season. Fisher did a great job of coaching up the younger players, and turned the rookie class into some of the team's most consistent and productive players.

However, if you grade them on their performance with veteran players, I'd have to give them both F's...Fisher in particular. We obviously cast much of the blame on mediocre personnel...which is putting it mildly...but the fact of the matter is, almost every veteran on the team had a career-worst season in 2004. If it was just one or two guys, that would be understandable....but when most of your veteran leaders are playing far below their potential, then there's probably an underlying problem. And obviously, coaching (or the lack thereof) is the one common thread shared by all.

On the poll, I voted a C.

Coach Fisher I would give a B for the season. And for GM Reese I would give him a C.

I give them these grades with some consideration, I think overall Coach Fisher did a good job with what he had. We didn't have that much. Most of the problems with the team in my opinion were due our team's having inferior talent. No shocker there, we were salary shot. It happens to good teams at the end.

Overall I am optimistic about the future, and I sure hope the team is better next season. I don't know how much more of this my poor Mom can take.
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Nobody deserves an average or higher grade when the team was 4-12. How can you possibly justify that? I know some will give fisher a slightly higher grade than reese because they see the root of our problems being the loss of talent due to the salary cap. But to give fisher a C grade suggests that he won all the games he could with what he had and that is bullcrap!

This team had absolutely no fire, emotion or discipline. We had long time veterans on this team making more mistakes than our youngest players. We were loaded with veteran starters(15 of them, 16 counting hentrich) who just did not give a damn! I sincerely believe we could have grabbed someone from the stands to act as head coach for those 16 games and they could have won 4 games. Who the hell did we beat? Texans twice and the 49ers. Hell even titan jeff and starkiller could have won 4 games with that team. I think kami would have won 6!

Any complaints about how this defense was run should go right to jeff fisher. He's the one who hired and keeps schwartz and he has all the opportunity to help with that defense. Fisher isn't powerless here, if he doesn't like the game plan he can change it. The buck stops with him!

As for reese it is one thing to say we have 29 1st or 2nd rd players on the roster it's another thing to say they are good players. I doubt if more than 16 will make our team in 2006 and many won't be in the league 2 years from now. This was supposed to be a rebuilding year but there are many areas of the team that are still lacking. We have no good young linebackers, no QB of the future. Major questions at RB and safety and issues with the future of the offensive line. We may actually have more 1st and 2nd year starters next year than we had in 2005.

I can't give either of them anything above a D and with a 4-12 record i think an F is in order.

I have to agree with RollTide...

How in the hell does jeff fisher get a B grade? If the talent was so "inferior" then surely reese would deserve an f right? You make no sense. Based on your grades i would assume the titans were an 8-8 team not a 4-12 team.

Jim haslett's saints won 2 more games than the titans over the last 2 seasons and he was fired. With aaron brooks at QB and without his star RB he won 3 games this year dispite horrible distractions like nothing an nfl team has ever faced. Jeff fisher lead the titans to just one more victory and he had none of those distrations and a far better QB. The saints obviously think that haslett's performance was below par but fisher with far less trying circumstances wins one more game and gets a B grade?

Quick how many winning seasons has jeff fisher coached? He has been this teams coach for 11 full seasons. So how many 8? 9? Try 4. 4 out of 11! Hardly lombardi like. Quick how many losing seasons has he had? Again 4! In 11 years fisher has 4 winning seasons, 4 losing seasons and 3 8-8 seasons. Yet despite this track record of mediocrity fisher is still looked at as some guru. Whenb the team wins it is due to his great coaching but when we suck(2 years in a row) it's never his fault. Sure!

Tell me this, how many games would the titans have won with a so called inferior coach like a haslett? 4? If the titans only had 4-12 talent that would mean that fisher didn't do a damn thing above and beyond what he had and hardly deserving of a B grade.

You are also aware that of the 16 veteran starters we had the games missed due to injury combined was only 10. 10 games combined! Yet fisher couldn't keep that team together. Bullcrap!

I do agree with the notion that our talent level was down but I also feel like Fisher didn't get as much as he could've out of our guys. People can blame the DC (note:this isn't a Schwartz thread) and the OC but the fact is, the whole damn team stunk it up all year. When it becomes a problem across the board there's only one direction that you can look and that's the head coach.

gee OldTide, we had a good run from 1999 - 2003 with dominate players and a lot of veterens. The cost of such a good run is Salary Cap purges everyone goes through it.
Your not going to have good players when you release half a team - including 4 pro bowlers or pro bowl calibre players - as well as having 3 return from serious knee injuries.
And your not going to be a good team.

Continue thinking it is all on the coaches but no one can win with the talent level we have and you're wrong to think otherwise.

Think that fisher is a great coach but if the talent was so poor then you would give a failing grade to reese right? I suspect you are one of the two knot heads who gave the pair an A grade.

All i know is that this team is 9-23 over the last 2 seasons. If you think it's because the stars are aligned against us you are less informed than i would have thought. Of course maybe losing 72% of your games is considered good in australia.

4 pro bowlers? fred miller is a pro bowl players now? And wasn't carter getting a bit old? And didn't we replace carter with a better player, KVB?

You talk about veterans gunny? The 1999 team had 2 rookies on the defensive line and a second year man(rolle) at corner. This titans team had 15 veteran starters, an 11th year starting QB and a 6th year backup QB. We had a backup runningback in his 5th season. We talk about talent? We had a 1000 yard WR and 2 1000 yard runningbacks one who had been to 2 pro bowls. Our QB had just won the mvp in 2003. 80% of our starting offensive line blocked well enough to get steve that mvp and to get chris brown the highest average per carry just a year ago. But there is no talent on this team? We had two TEs had enough talent to catch 55 balls.

What you fail to see gunny is not that the titans were not a good team it's that we were not even a below average team. Maybe you don't see any difference beteen an 8-8 team or a 4-12 team but i sure do. This team had enough talent to win 6-7 games but they didn't because so many veterans didn't give a damn.

Another coaching failure? Why didn't our 2nd year players improve hardly at all? Odom, starks, schobel, gardner, waddell. All were no better than as rookies. Was that also due to great coaching?

Yeah we were great from 99-2003 but what about before 99 or after 2003? They don't count?

Fisher was fortunate to get the head job with the oilers. He coached the last 6 games of 1994 and hardly lit a fire under anyone winning just one of those 6 games. He followed that with a 7-9 season and 3 straight 8-8 seasons. We know the results of the last 2 seasons.

How many people know that the only team with a worse record than the titans the last 2 years is the 49ers? The texans have won as many games as we have and crap teams like detroit, new orleans and oakland have won more.

"How many people know that the only team with a worse record than the titans the last 2 years is the 49ers? The texans have won as many games as we have and crap teams like detroit, new orleans and oakland have won more."

all of those teams could field an entire 53 man roster for both of those years. we can't say that.

I find it funny that you mention the situation in New Orleans but fail to mention the situation that Fisher had to endure when he got here. You also fail to mention that the NFC sucks horribly compared to the AFC. You also fail to mention that New Orleans never had a good stretch of playoff runs that they had to purge themselves of. You also fail to mention that Fisher has built a winner out of a very bad team before while Haslett has never done anything like that.

Can't even field a 53 man team. Poor victim of bad karma. The titans were as healthy a team this year as they have ever been.


And no moving the oilers wasn't half as bad as having a whole city wash away. The oilers knew they were moving and they knew where they were playing. The saints home field was destroyed for crying out loud and they still have no home field.

Can't even field a 53 man team. Poor victim of bad karma. The titans were as healthy a team this year as they have ever been.

you're right, having special teamers starting is no disadvantage at all...

hell, some of those guys arent even on rosters this year.

And no moving the oilers wasn't half as bad as having a whole city wash away. The oilers knew they were moving and they knew where they were playing. The saints home field was destroyed for crying out loud and they still have no home field.

I think you missed the point:

All of your points are one sided and fail to tell the whole story.

Every team has injuries. Every team has cap issues. Some teams just win more consistenly then others. I think 11 full seasons is enough to judge any coach by. It's moronic to say that jeff fisher was an awesome coach when we won and then blame something else when we lose. That's his job to get the most of the team in good times and adversity. You can't just give him a pass everytime the team sucks. That's dumb!

One more thing. For 9 out of those 11 seasons jeff fisher had a guy named steve mcnair as his QB. 8 of 11 if we are fair and don't count 2004 when steve was injured. That's 8 seasons with that rock right in the middle of the team. A great athlete and high character guy. Bill cower has had to win with guys like kordell stewart and tommy maddox and last year with a rookie QB yet cower has brought his team to the play offs almost twice as often as fisher. 10 times out of 14 or 71%. Fisher took his teams to a playoff 4 times out of 11 or just 36%. I wonder how cower would have done with a steve mcnair.

Cowher is a hall of fame coach and probably one of the top 3 in the league right now. I wouldn't put Fisher above him...

Also, their front office is excellent. They replace their veterans before they actually leave. For the most part, they sign their important players to long term deals before they turn into superstars.