View Full Version : "To Tank or Not to Tank"


Titanium
01-21-2006, 07:27 AM
I was very disappointed in Tank's performance this year. I even went as far as to call him a bust.

BUT the more I think about it and especially after reading the article in the Tennessean this morning the more I think the Titans should resign him.

We need some consistency on this team. We have too many young players plugged in here and there. We don't have a lot of veteran talent or guys that have played together for more than a year or two.

If Tank is truly over the injury, and thinks he will continue to improve and get his mental aspect taken care of then I think we need to give Tank another chance.....

Gunny
01-21-2006, 07:28 AM
1 year, minimum and no problems from me.

fitantitans
01-21-2006, 09:41 AM
I'm going with Gunny on this one. Give him 1 more year. We ain't going any where in 2006. Our schedule is rough, bad for the Titans, good for PSL owners. MAYBE, maybe a 8-8 season. We're going to have a rookie QB and an aging McNair in the role of teacher/leader. We're going to have some veteran Free Agents learning our system under 2 different QBs. Our receivers corps and DBs are not up to winning big games.
Give the veteran another year with the Titans holding an option.

goTitans.com
01-21-2006, 10:03 AM
SUMMARY: S Tank Williams started the '05 opener just months after a knee injury suffered in the ninth game of 2004. He struggled with the injury all season which appeared to significantly limit him. Titans coaches said Williams showed some positive signs down the stretch. Coach Jeff Fisher said Williams had his best game of the season on Dec. 24 against the Dolphins. He had nine tackles, one fumble recovery and one pass defensed. GM Floyd Reese has not ruled out bringing back Williams who is an unrestrictd free agent in March. "Once he got over the mental part of the knee you could see him kind of pick it up slowly," Reese said. "I don't think he's back at 100 percent. I think he is probably 100 percent physically. I'm not sure he's 100 percent emotionally and mentally, but he is certainly closing in on it." Reese plans on talking to William's agent in the next couple of weeks.

What do you think about this article? Post your comments below.

TitanJeff
01-21-2006, 10:05 AM
No way Williams accepts a one-year deal before March 1. Maybe he tests the market and then he may sign something like that with some type of bonus at the end if the Titans wish to keep him beyond next season.

bigtitan53279
01-21-2006, 10:31 AM
i think he showed improvement in last two or three games.

bob45x32
01-21-2006, 11:06 AM
Maybe Darnell Bing Will Slip To The 2nd Round :)

maximus
01-21-2006, 11:11 AM
To Tank. Sign him to a contract with a small SB and close to base salaries

Titantonic
01-21-2006, 11:11 AM
He was pretty mediocre when he was perfectly healthy. If getting back to mediocrity is the Titans' goal, then they could give him a chance. He was never among the elite safeties in the league, although he was certainly better than last season.

Titans2008
01-21-2006, 11:27 AM
He's a young guy with potential that has played well in the past. There is no way he is worth what he will command in free agency. There is zero reason why he should sign a smaller deal with us when he can go to a team with lots of room and an overly optimistic front office.

GLinks
01-21-2006, 12:07 PM
I think it depends on the contract. Something with an option, as suggested, with some incentives that could turn long-term if he performs. I'm for giving him one more year. He was improving down the stretch.

Titantonic
01-21-2006, 12:52 PM
We need better players, not cheaper players.

#1TitansFan
01-21-2006, 12:59 PM
We need more veteran players, resigning Tank allows us to have 1 more veteran on defense

maximus
01-21-2006, 01:11 PM
Maybe Darnell Bing Will Slip To The 2nd Round :)
Dwayne Slay(wrong name?) S, Texas Tech, that guy can flat out hit and lay the wood on people

Titantonic
01-21-2006, 01:14 PM
I partially agree with you #1TitansFan. I do think we need more veteran players who can play at a high level. We presently have a lot of veteran players who don't.

rcarie
01-21-2006, 01:52 PM
I partially agree with you #1TitansFan. I do think we need more veteran players who can play at a high level. We presently have a lot of veteran players who don't.
And he has been one that doesn't. Tank seems like a good guy and all but if we can upgrade to somebody that has been more consistant and had better numbers I'm all for that. That being said, Tank has had a year to recover from the ACL and he did seem to play a little better toward the end of the season, so, they may decide to keep him. After it's all said and done I'd be surprised if Tank is with us next year.

The Mrs
01-21-2006, 02:49 PM
Many players have learned from the two different paths of Eddie George and Jerome Bettis. What they have learned is that sometimes it pays to take less money to stay with a team you know and not test the free agent market.

Floyd has faith in Tank and recognizes that he is a smart player, he knows the system and he has potential. It is wiser to keep a guy that you know has the potential to make plays than to spend a large amount of money on a new free agent who you hope to make a difference. Remember, the Titans have a horrible record when it comes to signing free agents.

Tank wants to stay in Tennessee. He knows the team, he knows the system, he has made lots of close friends on the team and in the city and he enjoys Nashville. Besides, it's best to stay where you started and at least go into free agency with a strong season behind you.

PmanJONES32
01-21-2006, 05:13 PM
tank should stay because he is fairly young and not bad. Especialy when he keeps improving.

GoT
01-21-2006, 08:13 PM
He's a young guy with potential that has played well in the past. There is no way he is worth what he will command in free agency. There is zero reason why he should sign a smaller deal with us when he can go to a team with lots of room and an overly optimistic front office.


would just make him another to use the Titans to heal up and get the $$$

If he don't want to stay the he should say so, and for cryin' out loud somebody remove that RB from his chest!

The Mrs
01-22-2006, 10:37 AM
Don't go Clevan!:ha:

#90
01-22-2006, 10:45 AM
Oh sorry, I thought this was going to be a thread about the Indianapolis Colts "tanking" again.

SEC 330 BIPOLAR
01-22-2006, 03:25 PM
Many players have learned from the two different paths of Eddie George and Jerome Bettis. What they have learned is that sometimes it pays to take less money to stay with a team you know and not test the free agent market.
Funny. They had the same agent. :suspect: Lamont Smith played them both to his advantage...:hmm: If players knew what was good for them they wouldn't hire these guys. :greedy: Unfortunately for EG, his agent was more interested in his own interests rather than Eddie's. :sad2:

Gunny
01-22-2006, 06:44 PM
or Eddie was having delusions of granduer.

SEC 330 BIPOLAR
01-23-2006, 02:13 PM
or Eddie was having delusions of granduer.
I think Eddie was having a bunch of smoke blown up his arse. His agent screwed him.

Banger21
01-23-2006, 04:19 PM
We dont have any better options at SS so I think we keep Tank. Hes great against the run and hes healthy now. It takes a long time to recover from some of those knee injuries. Hes a perfect fit for our young team. He is still young enough himself but has some years in the league under his belt.

Nash
01-23-2006, 06:19 PM
I'm hearing today that Marcus Randall will likely be a starter next season.. so if we sign Tank, look for 2 pretty big safeties out there...

Gunny
01-23-2006, 06:43 PM
Randall?
do we ask to get beat deep, the guy is one year removed from being a QB isnt he?

Starkiller
01-23-2006, 06:57 PM
Tank gets beat deep, and he's a veteran...

As for Randall, I'm not sure I feel comfortable with him as a starter. But then I haven't seen him in action and the coaches have.

Gunny
01-23-2006, 07:11 PM
I know Tank gets beat deep, but we replace him with a 1 year Safety?

Sign a Free Agent.

TitanJeff
01-23-2006, 07:44 PM
I know Tank gets beat deep, but we replace him with a 1 year Safety?

Sign a Free Agent.
I agree. I think the best we can hope for is Randall be ready to back up at SS and be a regular on special teams.

#1TitansFan
01-23-2006, 07:47 PM
Its possible that Tank won't get beat deep as often next year, being that he would be 1 full year from an ACL.

super_titan
01-23-2006, 09:41 PM
Tank gets beat deep, and he's a veteran...

As for Randall, I'm not sure I feel comfortable with him as a starter. But then I haven't seen him in action and the coaches have.


The same coaches that saw T Beckham in practice too.

Soxcat
01-23-2006, 10:39 PM
One poster says Tank is great against the run. Only if he is on the LOS and they don't block him.
Another says he is improving. Fact is he isn't any better now than he was as a rookie.
Tank's situation is nothing like EGs IMO. Tank never was a super star and the club will not and should not cut him any breaks however on the bright side we might get him cheaper than his true value because of the injury and poor year he had. If he comes cheap he is at the least decent depth. Reese knows what his market value is and IMO he shouldn't get a dime more than a little more than the vet minimum. If we do sign him I would give him a small SB and grab him for three years. If we are not comfortable signing him for 3 years at a reasonable CAP number he isn't worth keeping around.

Starkiller
01-24-2006, 12:24 AM
The same coaches that saw T Beckham in practice too.Yeah, and you'll note he was glued to the bench most of the year...

2toneblue77
01-24-2006, 12:58 AM
It seems the main reason for keeping Tank is that hes a vet and we have a young team. The only problem I have with that is that when you have bad vets the younger players dont mature as well as they could with stronger players. How many times did we see tank sidestep a runner and try and tackle with his arms last season rather than hit the guy with his whole body? If we want this team to be aggressive again, it has to come from aggressive vets and Tank is not one of them. Let him go. Id rather have a younger guy with less experience that isn't afraid to lay it on someone than have a safety that takes a hit rather than gives one.

super_titan
01-24-2006, 07:42 AM
Yeah, and you'll note he was glued to the bench most of the year...

Yea but during spring practice and training camp all we heard was how much he had improved and how good he was gonna be that season.

But I guess they didnt have to many other options at the time as well.

Soxcat
01-24-2006, 10:11 AM
It seems the main reason for keeping Tank is that hes a vet and we have a young team. The only problem I have with that is that when you have bad vets the younger players dont mature as well as they could with stronger players. How many times did we see tank sidestep a runner and try and tackle with his arms last season rather than hit the guy with his whole body? If we want this team to be aggressive again, it has to come from aggressive vets and Tank is not one of them. Let him go. Id rather have a younger guy with less experience that isn't afraid to lay it on someone than have a safety that takes a hit rather than gives one.

The other problem with vets like Tank is they end up getting the playing time even though they are not getting the job done while a young guy rots on the bench. We could have done as well with Randall and Nickey at the safeties last year.

The Mrs
01-24-2006, 11:38 AM
The other problem with vets like Tank is they end up getting the playing time even though they are not getting the job done while a young guy rots on the bench. We could have done as well with Randall and Nickey at the safeties last year.

Yeah, poor Rey Hill and Pac Jones just rotted on the bench while T. Beck and Woofolk played up a storn!:sad2:

Starkiller
01-24-2006, 11:51 AM
Yea but during spring practice and training camp all we heard was how much he had improved and how good he was gonna be that season.What, you think Fisher was going to say "Well, he sucks, but he's the best we've got" or something like that?

Soxcat
01-24-2006, 12:27 PM
Yeah, poor Rey Hill and Pac Jones just rotted on the bench while T. Beck and Woofolk played up a storn!:sad2:

Historically Fisher has been reluctant to bench vets even if they are marginal players. Obviously Pacman is an acception because he was the #6 pick in the draft. He was going to start no matter what. I was a little surprised that Hill got his opportunity early but even then it took a Woolfolk injury to get him into the lineup.

TitanJeff
01-24-2006, 01:38 PM
Historically Fisher has been reluctant to bench vets even if they are marginal players. Obviously Pacman is an acception because he was the #6 pick in the draft. He was going to start no matter what. I was a little surprised that Hill got his opportunity early but even then it took a Woolfolk injury to get him into the lineup.
ESTABLISHED starters tend to not get benched once they decline. Woolfolk wasn't established yet, IMO.

The Mrs
01-24-2006, 03:02 PM
ESTABLISHED starters tend to not get benched once they decline. Woolfolk wasn't established yet, IMO.

Jeff has also "said" that starters don't lose their jobs once they are healed and get off of IR. Losing makes a Coach change a lot of his philosophies.

WoolfolksUncle
01-24-2006, 04:40 PM
ESTABLISHED starters tend to not get benched once they decline. Woolfolk wasn't established yet, IMO.

Very Credible Statement. He had his first really excellent, well played game vs the Cardinals but it was the day he got injured. (5 tackles, 3 Passes defensed and only a total of yards netted against him holding Larry Fitzgerald ALL IN THE FIRST HALF). The Baltimore game was good for everyone so I won't count that one. I believe he was really starting to get established and that would have been his breakthrough game. He was really bummed out about getting hurt. The announcement of Hill getting the nod came just after the next game and he (Andre) stated that it was the worst day of his life, getting hurt again and losing his starting job.

Great on you Jeff for bringing out that fact.... WU

Canadian Titan
01-24-2006, 09:30 PM
We got to keep Tank, so we have the funniest names in the secondary. Tank and Pacman.

super_titan
01-24-2006, 10:06 PM
What, you think Fisher was going to say "Well, he sucks, but he's the best we've got" or something like that?


Thats my point. Are they gonna tell us Randall sucks?

Starkiller
01-25-2006, 12:06 AM
Who cares what they say? Actions speak louder than words. If he's the best SS, he'll start. If not, he won't. Just like Beckham...

Ragevsuall
01-25-2006, 07:37 PM
We got to keep Tank, so we have the funniest names in the secondary. Tank and Pacman.
Once we drafted Pac last year, I wanted us to draft Atari Bigby later in the draft as well.:lol: