hi im just curious what you guys think about Travis Henry's future in Tennessee. Does Tennessee need Chris Brown and Travis Henry? will Henry get more carries in 2006?

Henry may get more carries but I don't think it will be with Tennessee.

I guess it depends on who we draft, free agents, what they think of Nash and Payton.

Henry has an option on his contract, I am not sure when it has to be triggered for the remaining years to be picked up.

BTW what is with us and picking up high priced offense free agents? They all seem to suck. Pickens, Thigpen, Henry.

well i love henry... more than brown anyways. i say keep henry and release brown

brown is cheaper.

brown is cheaper.

Cheap and not on the field.

Henry hasnt been the model of consistency either.

Drugs and injury.

keep henry, release brown, and draft a new guy

or maybe just cut both of them............

if you trade the 3rd pick for two other first round picks(like to the vikings for #8 and #17 i believe). Then we can use one of those picks as qb and another as rb.

If we can't make a trade like this, then we can try to draft a running back in the second or thrid round, and we might be able to land Maurice Drew out of UCLA, who had a pretty strong year...

Or... we can trade Brown for a pick, that way we can get either another shot at a good defensive player or at a running back... But I don't think anyone would want Brown nor Henry...

Brown = injuries
Henry = drugs

Brown is the better back because he is younger and probably equal or better then Henry at the actual position. If only he can either be 100% or learn something from mcnair (play injured)

Vikes thing would only happen if they trade Culpepper. I think OAK is not an option, possibly AZ, 10 and 17, then. But Detroit could take Cutler, and all three top QBs would be gone. Big if anyway.

I still lean to Brown over Henry. Brown is cheaper. He is younger. He doesn't have a drug issue. Henry is better trade bait.

In fact, my new Henry strategy is this: trade Henry for a 4th. Take that fourth and fifth round pick (cuz we'll get a 4th or 5th for Dyson in all likelihood), and maybe that 7th Indy is giving us for Calmus, I dunno, depending on value, and get a 3rd rounder. Fill another hole. Drew might be there in the 3rd, you never know - he fell a little bit and is short, another reason for teams to overlook him some. That is if we don't have Bush at #3 of course.

But I wonder what Nash will look like next year. He's no Henry, but is of similar dimension, and if they lean to giving Brown more carries, it makes sense to lose an overpaid player who is at risk for missing a whole season and wasting your team's money.

if you trade the 3rd pick for two other first round picks(like to the vikings for #8 and #17 i believe). Then we can use one of those picks as qb and another as rb.
I'm sorry, and welcome to the forum and all that, but what the hell do you mean by this? I'm really confused. Our 3rd pick, I believe, is long gone...It went with the Henry deal...to the Bills. Even if we had it, how do you turn a third pick into another first? Is that trading a player away?

Brown is under contract, so that would be a cap hit but I think it can be avoided if his contract is assumed, but who is stupid enough to take that kind of risk considering his past (missed starts, unfinshed games, ect...) and as for Henry...I don't know whether he's worth the gamble to us or anyone.

Seems like the most logical thing to do is to keep Brown and let him leave as a UFA. Maybe bail on Henry or resructure the deal. Why the hell isn't anybody talking up D.Nash? I like the way he runs it up in the hole. Might not need Henry really...especially when the Titans suck it up so bad we have a chance to get a real stud back in next years draft.

Bipolar, I believe he means our 3rd overall pick.

Bipolar, I believe he means our 3rd overall pick.
That's all fine and good but at the same time what is this water into wine stuff about?

I don't think there is a market for Henry- he's got 2 strikes in the NFL drug policy, plus he was injured and didn't do a whole lot when given the chance. The smartest play with Henry is to re-negotiate his contract or release him if we can't get anything for him in trade.

Henry hasn't made sound financial deals in the past. I think we'll be able to keep him on the roster with a restructured deal.

I agree that most teams won't want to touch him this offseason.

if teams will touch TO, teams will touch Henry

Difference is TO is a proven star receiver, Henry has been disappointing lately.

Difference is TO is a proven star receiver, Henry has been disappointing lately.

Henry isn't a proven RB???

TO did what this yr??

Henry was a proven RB, but his last years in Buffalo and his year here has been disappointing, his suspension aside.

Despite TO's antics, he still performs when he's on the field, you can't question that.

I'm sure we could get something in trade for Henry, but won't be able to trade him without paying him his $4M bonus first. We are not going to do that.

If he's willing to take a big paycut, he'll stay. Otherwise we'll cut him.

Then I bet he takes the paycut.

However, I can think of a few teams who could use Henry.

Jets, Cardinals, Raiders, Vikings, Packers, Ravens if they lose Lewis to FA. Steelers also perhaps, since they won't be able to draft LenDale White without a serious tradeup. Eagles, possibly.

Some teams have or will have a glaring need for a RB. A 4th for Henry in such a circumstance isn't wholly unreasonable.

Henry needs to have a new contract that will pay him about $1M less per year. A trade is a waste of time because he is a year older, coming off a second straight nonproductive year and he has the drug thing. A 5th rd pick is the most we could get for him. We can dump him and save $1.5M against the cap which would allow us some money to pick up another mid level back. That's the choice.

Brown is guarenteed to be back because he is under contract for less than what he is worth. Both brown and henry can be back next year counting no more than $2M against the cap combined. Both should be motivated to play better. It's not either or. Brown will be back it''s a question about henry only.

If Henry takes a paycut he is worth more to us than what we could get in draft picks IMO. We need a solid backup to Brown anyway and Brown is in the last year of his contract.

Travis henry has less than 700 yards rushing over the past 2 seasons with a less than hearty 3.6 yards per carry. What has he done that is so special that you like him more than brown? He will be 28 in october, has all this drug crap hanging over his head. He is not trade bait.

My main reason for trying to get henry back here is so we can get some value for that 3rd rd pick we gave up. We release henry outright we save $1.5m against the cap. Who can we get for that $1.5M? Labrandon toefield or najeh davenport? Those are the only free agent RBs i can think of who could actually have value and fit within that price range. Unless you guys want to pay up for an ahman green.

Since henry is at least as good or better than the two players i mentioned i say let's try to get his contract to a level that is worthwhile. I hate to think we wasted that third rd pick.

My main reason for trying to get henry back here is so we can get some value for that 3rd rd pick we gave up. We release henry outright we save $1.5m against the cap. Who can we get for that $1.5M?
Doesn't it cost the Titans $4 million in a roster bonus if they decide to keep him? Henry is going to have to be ready to deal and that means EVERYTHING is probably thrown out the window from the initial contract. So we don't know yet what Henry will cost against the cap in '06 and beyond.

If Henry is a bargain, I'm all for keeping him. But if the Titans have any confidence that Nash can become a reliable #2 RB, then I think Henry isn't going to be offered much. I hate the thought of a wasted third-rounder too but why throw good money at bad?

Here is a breakdown of henry's contract and yes all the fiqures i have been using for him do include the $4M roster bonus.

Henry's contract runs from 2005-2009. His signing bonus was $710,000. His annual salary is $1M and the $4M roster bonus is prorated from 2006-2009. That means henry will count $2.14M against the cap. $1M is salary, 142K prorated singing bonus and $1M pro rated roster bonus. If they release him outright they save $1.5M of that against the cap.

What i'm sure they want to do is to sign a deal that is shorter and obviously does not include any bonuses that large and has more incentives built in. Seems to me they could keep him for at least 500k less of a cap hit than that. Look at it this way we can have brown and henry both for less than half what we are paying sirmon a year.

1st preference - go into next year with the same backfield at a reduced price

2nd preference - dump Henry, get a draft pick and a vet FA with the cap savings

3rd preference - Brown #1, Nash #2, ??? #3

I really hope its not the 3rd preference. I'm not sold on Nash.

Here is a breakdown of henry's contract and yes all the fiqures i have been using for him do include the $4M roster bonus.
I don't think Henry ever sees that roster bonus. They'll rework his deal or he'll be gone.

Not a lot to choose from here. Assuming we don't want to pay out the big bucks for the top guys there is not a lot out there. For starters we need a back that can compliment brown. A micheal bennett or jr redmond offer us nothing in that regard. Many of the vet Fa are old guys with little value like a moe williams or antawin smith. You have the jouneyman back anthony thomas who couldn't beat out smith for the #2 spot in new orleans. What about ron dayne? Is he the answer? He does compliment brown and still has some play left in him.

The 2 guys that come to mind for me are najeh davenport and labrandon toefield both big backs who have shown some ability. Both compliment brown and both would be real cheap. Davenport would be the better option but he is coming off a quad(thigh) injury. Shouldn't effect him in 2006 but you never know.

Another issue with these free agents is that some will not be available. The packers are going to keep either davenport or ahman green. The ravens will either sign jamal lewis or chester taylor. If they keep lewis(not expected) then taylor would be an interesting option.

As you guys can see there are few lost cost options better than just keeping travis henry. By the way lists of free agent players can be found on theredzone.org

Good info to have. I could live with Toefield, Davenport or possibly even Dayne. It all depends on what Henry is willing to play for.