http://www.cnn.com/2006/TECH/internet/01/31/kamasutraworm/index.html

There is a new virus out now that is scheduled to start destroying documents on Windows computers on February 3. My best advice is to backup any important documents today if there is anything you don't want to take any chances on. And if you haven't run an anti-virus scan in a while, I'd run one today.

And then get a Mac...

and then get a mac...:lol3:

nice one.

PC's are from Mars and Mac's are from Venus

http://www.wejher.pl/mpx/pic/mac.jpg

http://www.sydes.net/jokes/pictures/r/recycled_mac.jpg
Wow. Check it out. Vandy colors.

nice props for the Mac

and yes it's true, Windows is a Mac OS clone
except for the virus', legacy hardware crashes, registry entry errors, fatal exceptions, constant security patches, incompatabilities, et al ......

Got my iMAC G5...I got tired of spyware and viruses.

If you pick upo a copy of PC WORLD magazine, you will read an entire magazine full of nothing but articles on dealing with spyware and viruses.

If you oick up a coupy of MAC World magazine, you will read an entire magazione dealing with how you can bettter use your computer and there is next to nothing about spyware and viruses.

Thats says all I need to know.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/TECH/internet/01/31/kamasutraworm/index.html

There is a new virus out now that is scheduled to start destroying documents on Windows computers on February 3. My best advice is to backup any important documents today if there is anything you don't want to take any chances on. And if you haven't run an anti-virus scan in a while, I'd run one today.

And then get a Mac...
Next computer will be a Mac, right now, as a college kid, I dont have the money to blow on another computer.

Thanks for the warning, I am getting tired of Windows

Just Don't Open Any Unknown Attachments - It Really Is That Simple.

No, it isn't nearly that simple...

for the 3rd of the month virus/worm it is.

and that virus is not new has been around for a while mostly in Europe.

Oh and I built my own PC, how's that MAC you built yourself workin' out for ya?

Oh wait you can't do that can you. How about adding a hard drive? maybe you can now but used to ya could not do that with a MAC.

In case you just have to build your own MAC here's some help

http://www.theapplecollection.com/Collection/PaperMac/

Real men drive PC Clones. MACs are like the new VW Beetle pretty enough but obviously designed for chicks and girly men who would perfer to buy from some orange haried hippie freak with a Shave the Whales T-shirt rather than build their own manley machine.:geek:

And the main reason PCs are the main/only target of hackers is the ubiquitous nature of PCs. MACs are what less than 10 percent of the total computer market and trending downward.

http://macdailynews.com/index.php/weblog/comments/10_percent_of_computer_users_use_a_mac_3_percent_i s_macs_approximate_quarte/

Now I fully admit that driving a PC requires more attention than driving a MAC. And I also admit that for certain tasks the MAC allows users the freedom from the OS. What I mean by that is some MAC users have the luxury of only dealing with the creative output instead of the OS underneath it cause there have been a handful of applications that the MAC does excel at. This is why they even have about a current 3% market share. If you happen to be needing to produce movies or graphics then you might need a MAC, otherwise you are just segregating yourself from the other 97% of computer users. Unless someone NEEDS a MAC, and those current 3% know who they are, there is no reason to ostracize yourself by getting one.

How is CivIV on the MAC anyhow? oh that's right MAC users are currently not able to play the game of the year, hey at least you have a Tetris clone or two and those wonderful graphic applications to occupy yourself, when you are not adjusting your skirts that is - lol

And one more thing: I have been on the working end of computers since 1983 and I have never used a MAC, used an Amiga once and that used a Motorala chip. Had the occasional SUN workstation but never a MAC. With the exception of a few dedicated proprietary workstations as a professional I have always used a current PC/IBM workstation.

I freely admit that there are some departments that have some MACs, but that is getting to be less and less as time goes by.

How is CivIV on the MAC anyhow? oh that's right MAC users are currently not able to play the game of the year,

it's coming ...... June 1st

http://civilization4.net/

With the new intel chip, it is very likely that it will be made more possible to make your own MAC.
I have 2 Windows PCs and am tired of dealing with the virus, bugs, freezing up, Blue Screen of Death, and other Windows garbage.
MAC rules, Windows Drules, simple as that:lol:

I spent more time with file access management than making music with my PC. Since Mac, no probs.
Of course, I'm one of the 3% who "know who they are". Screw games.

I still HAVE a pc, but it's not allowed anywhere near an internet connection. It's almost completely empty except for the programs that I use to teach others about computer recording with. You know, the guys that are stuck with that obnoxious Nazi Cubase system.

Macs aren't for everyone. If you want to tinker with it (more than the basics anyway) or build it yourself, you can't do that with a Mac. Macs also don't have many of the newest games, so if you want a toy get a PC (or Xbox, Nintendo, etc...).

If you are a normal computer user who wants a computer to surf the web, check email, use standard office apps, watch movies, listen to music, etc without having to worry about viruses and spyware, then get a mac.

Exactly. Who gives a **** about playing the coolest games. Some of you is grown *** men...


On the other hand, I still got a PC but I want a Mac soon, cause my work we got a Mac and it works well.

BTW, how you gonna compare using a Mac to being a girly man...:ha:

Macs aren't for everyone. If you want to tinker with it (more than the basics anyway) or build it yourself, you can't do that with a Mac. Macs also don't have many of the newest games, so if you want a toy get a PC (or Xbox, Nintendo, etc...).

If you are a normal computer user who wants a computer to surf the web, check email, use standard office apps, watch movies, listen to music, etc without having to worry about viruses and spyware, then get a mac.

Amen to that.

My computer is going to be used to be productive in my work and in my personal use. If I wanted a toy to play with and to build, I'd buy some tinker toys and play with them along with my 2 1/2 year old son.

Macs aren't for everyone. If you want to tinker with it (more than the basics anyway) or build it yourself, you can't do that with a Mac. Macs also don't have many of the newest games, so if you want a toy get a PC (or Xbox, Nintendo, etc...).

If you are a normal computer user who wants a computer to surf the web, check email, use standard office apps, watch movies, listen to music, etc without having to worry about viruses and spyware, then get a mac.

we'll agree' to disagree over the usage of the word "normal" - lol

I built my PC for a specific purpose - I needed a RAID for a project and when you know exactly what you want finding it on the shelf is nearly impossible. So I built it and not only saved $ I got what I wanted and needed. A computer purchase should not be considered a hardware purchase cause you are not using hardware you are actually using software. Once you nail the software you want work backwards to the hardware. Most people do in fact enjoy playing the occasional game yet hardly anyone would "need" a $4k+ gaming rig. I think your comment about a PC being a toy really is a comment about that being a defenciency of the MACs. Fact is you CAN force a PC to do whatever you want with enough $ and effort. Can't say the same for a MAC like run the current game of the year as a for instance - lol

And as far as building your own I am still to this day PO'ed that I cannot build my own laptop. There has to be some way for this to be done.

Exactly. Who gives a **** about playing the coolest games. Some of you is grown *** men...


On the other hand, I still got a PC but I want a Mac soon, cause my work we got a Mac and it works well.

BTW, how you gonna compare using a Mac to being a girly man...:ha:


PC come in most any color you want, as long as it is beige - lol and real men not only want a beige computer they consider different shades of beige on external components a badge of honor - lol
MACs come in apple green and bubblegum pink or some such stuff, all the colors of the rainbow coalition - nuff said.

The lack of variety in MACs, other than nonfunctional externals, is what allows them to be so useful.

And that is not a knock there are upsides to EVERYBODY running the exact same OS and Apple has used that to their advantage. One of the downsides is that if what you want is not available that is the end of that.

BTW, how you gonna compare using a Mac to being a girly man...
http://chaplinscomedyclub.com/hans_franz.jpg

I have heard from several places that it will be possible to make your own MAC with the ease of making your own PC. SK, do you know of a timetable of when it will happen

GoT, you can already customize a MAC, its just really hard to do

MACs come in apple green and bubblegum pink or some such stuff, all the colors of the rainbow coalition - nuff said.



wrong .....

Mac's come in only one color ........ Pearl White

you're thinking of iPod's

I have heard from several places that it will be possible to make your own MAC with the ease of making your own PC. SK, do you know of a timetable of when it will happen

I know you asked SK, but I'll chime in. theoretically you could do it now. but it wouldn't be very easy or cheap

GoT, you can already customize a MAC, its just really hard to do

not sure what kind of "customizing" a person really needs to do to a Mac
in my case (iMac G5), the entire workings of the computer are slamed into the screen case. there isn't any room to "customize", except for adding more RAM

wrong .....

Mac's come in only one color ........ Pearl White

you're thinking of iPod's
I assume he's thinking back to the days long ago where the iMacs came in multiple different colors. But yes, now there aren't any choices when it comes to the actual Macs.

I assume he's thinking back to the days long ago where the iMacs came in multiple different colors..

and I'm guessing that's where he's basing his statements on their functionality and performance

not sure what kind of "customizing" a person really needs to do to a Mac in my case (iMac G5), the entire workings of the computer are slamed into the screen case. there isn't any room to "customize", except for adding more RAMIt all depends on the model. Mac laptops don't have much room to customize, but that's true of basically all laptops. iMacs are about as customizable as a laptop, but I'd say the difference with that and other desktop PCs is that it's an all-in-one. PC all-in-one models are just the same.

I don't think there is much room in the G5 powermac (and future replacement?) fo major customizations. They built it very specifically to optimize cooling and make it quieter than the "wind tunnel" predecessor.

That said, I have an old G3 powermac I got in 1998 that I turned into a server. I have the OS X, which makes a great server OS seeing as how it's unix, running on one drive plus a mirrored RAID using 2 250GB drives and a RAID card.

I have heard from several places that it will be possible to make your own MAC with the ease of making your own PC. SK, do you know of a timetable of when it will happenNot for the forseeable future. Apple has always required you to have specific hardware that you can't buy off the shelf in order to run the Mac OS. It used to be a ROM chip. With the new Intel Macs, I'm not 100% sure what they are using but I believe it is part of Intel's "Trusted Computing" chipset built into the motherboard. I'm sure you won't be able to build your own Mac without this built into the board, and I'm equally sure that Apple won't allow that to be sold to anyone other than themselves.

The new Macs are basically standard PC harware except for this minor change. That's why you will be able to load Windows (starting with Windows Vista, probably) on a Mac. But you won't be able to run OS X on just any PC hardware.

we'll agree' to disagree over the usage of the word "normal" - lolOK then, what does the average PC user do that they can't do on a current Mac using either the same software or equivalent Mac software?

I built my PC for a specific purpose - I needed a RAID for a project and when you know exactly what you want finding it on the shelf is nearly impossible. So I built it and not only saved $ I got what I wanted and needed.People who want to build their own computer can use Windows or Linux if they want. More power to them.

Those aren't the people who necessarily would be better off with a Mac (they might, but not in general). The people who would be better off with a Mac are the ones who don't want to tinker too much, they just want to use the software thet comes with a computer and that runs right out of the box.

A computer purchase should not be considered a hardware purchase cause you are not using hardware you are actually using software. Once you nail the software you want work backwards to the hardware.And that's why Macs are better for the average computer user. Windows is clunky and insecure.

Most people do in fact enjoy playing the occasional game yet hardly anyone would "need" a $4k+ gaming rig. I think your comment about a PC being a toy really is a comment about that being a defenciency of the MACs.Most people don't play games that can't be found on a Mac. Many do, but not most.

I didn't call a PC a toy. I said it can be used as a toy. My point is that if the only reason that you want a PC over a Mac is games, then you can get a gaming console.

Plus, the toy comment is one of my favorites because for years (long ago), PC people called Macs "toys" because they were much easier to use and easy on the eyes. So, as it seems to me, PCs are the toys because that's where the games are. Serious people could always use the Mac, but if you wanted a toy it was going to be a PC.

Fact is you CAN force a PC to do whatever you want with enough $ and effort. Can't say the same for a MAC like run the current game of the year as a for instance - lolCan you force it to be a secure and yet still functional computer without knowing a lot about the inner-workings? No... That's why the Mac is better for most people.

OK then, what does the average PC user do that they can't do on a current Mac using either the same software or equivalent Mac software?

I guess I would call "normal" part of the 90+% group. Of course your argument could be flipped completly cause even the specialized apps that the MAC excels at CAN be done on a PC.

People who want to build their own computer can use Windows or Linux if they want. More power to them.

Those aren't the people who necessarily would be better off with a Mac (they might, but not in general). The people who would be better off with a Mac are the ones who don't want to tinker too much, they just want to use the software thet comes with a computer and that runs right out of the box.

Agreed

And that's why Macs are better for the average computer user. Windows is clunky and insecure.

One of the things I don't use is Outlook. That thing is a HUGE hacker magnet. Whenever I install Windows - haven't done it since I put XP on my laptop, I never even load Outlook. Easy enough not to use at all. Matter of fact there are numerous Windows components I do not ever install.

Most people don't play games that can't be found on a Mac. Many do, but not most.

Again going back to CivIV there seems to be quite a few people, myself included, who like this game. Having said that I have not played it in a few weeks - it is quite a time hog. But I could if I wanted too. I am seriously asking this? Do those EA sports titles come out on the MAC? I do not play them but a bunch of people do.

I didn't call a PC a toy. I said it can be used as a toy. My point is that if the only reason that you want a PC over a Mac is games, then you can get a gaming console.

Plus, the toy comment is one of my favorites because for years (long ago), PC people called Macs "toys" because they were much easier to use and easy on the eyes. So, as it seems to me, PCs are the toys because that's where the games are. Serious people could always use the Mac, but if you wanted a toy it was going to be a PC.

Actually there are a handful of programs that were/are PC only that made it a no brainer for me to go PC, that and the customization aspect.

Can you force it to be a secure and yet still functional computer without knowing a lot about the inner-workings? No... That's why the Mac is better for most people.

Agreed, except that there are so many programs that take the work aspect
away from being secure. I use Norton's Personal Firewall/Antivirus and Adaware along with Fix-it Utilities. Most of these things run happily in the background and some I just run while I sleep. But I agree there is a certain ammount of disicipline involved with keeping a PC running good. Another point with the whole security issue is the current 3% MAC market share combined with their being a lack of hatred for Jobs vs Gates. I am sure that there are other more technical reasons also.

And you were correct Starkiller I was referencing those older MACs and their color combos. I was not aware that MACs had done away with that bit of personality.


BTW to the best of my knowledge I own no MS or Intel stock I just kinda get annoyed sometimes with the MAC owners holier than thou attitudes.

Mac owners defininitely act cult-like at times. I should know, I am one (Mac user, not cult member...). And I'll freely admit that many people are better off with PCs and that Mcas are far from perfect. I just think that for the average person, Macs are the way to go.

The biggest problems is the security issue. I agree that having good antivirus and firewall and antispyware software makes a big difference. But I can tell you from professional experience that most people are not particularly computer savy. Assuming they can even use their computer well, they have no clue what software they need to keep them secure or how to use it. And when they get a warning saying there could be a problem, they have no idea what to do. It's easy to us, but to them they might as well be asked to build a computer from scratch.

Certainly Apple is somewhat more secure because they aren't a major force in the marketplace. But a lot of it is technological as well. You can't install software that affects the OS on a mac without putting in your password. That alone is a big advantage over Windows. Plus, Microsoft has built so many security holes into Windows over the years versus OS X, it isn't even funny. Not that OS X is an impregnable fortress, but it's far more sturdy.

WINE on Intel Macs
http://osx86project.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=112&Itemid=2

For those who don't know, WINE was developed as a way to run Windows programs on Linux/UNIX boxes with Intel processors. It is now being ported to run on Intel Macs. It's not emulation, so it runs basically as fast in Linux as programs normally run in Windows.

So Intel Macs will soon be able to run a number of Windows programs as well.

I grew up on Mac computers, but I've been using Windows at work and at home for the last several years. Both have their place.

A Macintosh is a thing of beauty. The OS is slick, stable and intuitive. As mentioned before, if you are in certain industries like recording or art, you've got to have a Mac.

Windows is designed for business. Sure, they have a "Home Edition", but it's just a dumbed down spinoff of the Professional business version. The majority of "off the shelf" products designed for business are only available on the Windows platform.

The sheer amount of hardware peripherals and software packages available make it difficult to pass on Windows, even for a basic home user.

SK is exactly right, though, if you want to browse the web, view or listen to digital entertainment, and do basic word processing/spreadsheet stuff, a Macintosh is a good choice.

If interoperability is an issue, for instance if you would like to connect to your desktop PC from home through the server at your office, you'll probably need to go with Windows.

Windows Vista, the replacement for XP will be coming out soon and the screen shots look very Mac like.
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/default.aspx

That's what Microsoft has always done, let Apple design and develop something and then steal the best parts of it. I won't get into the philosophical reasoning behind choosing an OS, that would take a book (there probably are several books out there).

I've found that with a small amount of vigilance, spyware, viruses, etc. are easily avoided. Set your computer to automatically install Windows Updates, install the free Microsoft Spyware tool and make sure you have Norton antivirus installed and you'll likely never have an issue. That sounds like a lot of stuff, but it all runs by itself after install.

Both operating systems are very good, you just need to think about what you'll be using your computer to do before making a decision. The real issue is the user, a bad user can make trash out of the best OS.

You can't install software that affects the OS on a mac without putting in your password. That alone is a big advantage over Windows.

Once again, Mac pioneers something and Microsoft implements it. I have heard this feature is a part of Vista.

Windows sidebar is the same as the Mac whatever you call it.

Windows the copycat

it's called the "Dock"

I see that Vista also hijacks Mac's "Spotlight" and "Expose"

Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

I see that Vista also hijacks Mac's "Spotlight" and "Expose"

Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.
Clearly Windows understands this.
Its Bill Gates way of saying, You rock Steve Jobs

those nifty applications will likely confuse WIN
they work too well

those nifty applications will likely confuse WIN
they work too well
After people start to get Vista on their computers, they will suddenly love it for their simplicity. Most wont realize that it came from Mac, which they didnt buy because they thought Macs were too complex

there really is nothing complex about a Mac

there's no need to defragment
do the whole msconfig" thing
clean up registry entries
etc,.... etc,....

there really is nothing complex about a Mac

there's no need to defragment
do the whole msconfig" thing
clean up registry entries
etc,.... etc,....
Most of my "pro windows" friends say that Mac is to complex and to hard to learn.

they've obviously never tried to operate one then

but ,don't take my word for it, go to a CompUsa or Apple store

Most of my "pro windows" friends say that Mac is to complex and to hard to learn.That's probably because they've never actually tried to use one. Anyone can learn to use a Mac.

There is some adjustment to be made going from Windows to Mac (or from any OS to any other OS), but it's pretty minor.

I have a 5 year old daughter who inherited my eMac when I got the iMac G5. She can get all over the place on that thing

she's bored and frustrated on mommy's Dell PC

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b143/PuckDaddy/pcboredom.jpg

no problem with her Mac

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b143/PuckDaddy/maclove.jpg

Apple Macintosh - let the kids play

That's probably because they've never actually tried to use one. Anyone can learn to use a Mac.

There is some adjustment to be made going from Windows to Mac (or from any OS to any other OS), but it's pretty minor.
I have one friend that has used both and owns a Mac and says that Macs are much more user Friendly than Windows.
My computer science major cousin was converted to Mac because of me and know says that Macs are easier to get around than Windows