Exhibit A (http://media.putfile.com/Vince-Young-05-Highlights)

Exhibit B (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXXBL4b5NfY)

...this is certainly not the sort of thing I want
to see on Sundays for years to come.

The only concern I have about Young is his arm strength. I've seen tons of highlights, but not one of them showed him firing a fastball into a tight spot. Every pass I've seen him throw has been a bit of a floater. And as we've seen with Billy Volek, those floaters lead to all sorts of trouble with short and mid-level passes....that extra air gives defenders an extra step or two to make a play on the ball, which leads to a lot more deflections and interceptions around the line of scrimmage. (In 2004, I believe Volek threw 11 INT's...more than half of those INT's happened less than 5 yards downfield, and I believe 3 or 4 or them were returned for TD's.)

This is not to say that he can't make those throws...I simply haven't seen him do it. However, with all the VY highlights that are out there, you'd think that at least one of them would show him throwing some heat in between two defenders. And obviously, he's going to have to make that throw on a regular basis if he's going to be successful in the NFL.

He has the potential to make those throws. He is raw though, that's what people wonder about, is how long will it take Young to learn these throws? Is he sharp enough to make these throws, while running a potentially complex offense? These are the big ? marks.

...this is certainly not the sort of thing I want
to see on Sundays for years to come.


obviously you are joking .... right ?

I wanna see that

EVERY Sunday

or Thursday

and even Monday

He was being sarcastic...lol

I hope your being sarcastic, VY was BEASTLY in the video

Okay, so just judging by the highlights, as I haven't seen his full game;
And based on the comments above....

Mike Vick, anyone? Anyone? Beuller?

Okay, so just judging by the highlights, as I haven't seen his full game;
And based on the comments above....

Mike Vick, anyone? Anyone? Beuller?
I was able to see several TX games this year. Vince can do more than just run-but he is an excellent runn

People love to forget that Vick wasn't even a great passer in college! Vince was.

was anyone anywhere near his WRs?? any runningback given those kinds of lanes would be successful too, but I don't want my QB getting hit as much as a RB.

This dude is smarter than people give him credit. Every Sunday, Monday and Thursday for the next decade will be fine by me.

This guy has got to show he can stand in the pocket, read the defense and make the throw with pressure closing in without pulling a Vick and running.

The guy has the size and no doubt has the skills, but does he have the ability to adjust his mental approach to the game in that he doesn't panic the first read he sees that is covered and takes off.

I do not want a Vick like QB on this team.

Some of the moves he makes are absolutely sick! And he runs through arm tackles like they are nothing whether they are linebackers or lineman. Certainly stronger and much bigger than vick and it's not hard to imagine him @ 240 lbs a year or two from now. Very probably a better runner than mcnair or mcnabb.

His arm strength is no longer an issue. His throws in the workouts had plenty of velocity and he throws a nice deep ball. Only issue is his ability to adapt to a pro offense.

To make a case for young consider that vick was the first pick in the whole 2001 draft. Vick is 6'0 215 lbs. Young is almost 6'5 230. If the argument can be made that these guys have similar tools than isn't young worth a third pick?

If we feel we have to draft a QB i would rather have him because he has the most star potential.

Did you guys notice how much seperation he gets from a tackler when he makes a lateral move? He can slide sideways 2-3 yards. He must have very strong legs.

A lot worse could happen than the Titans winding up with Young. Helluva football player.

There was one play in the youtube vid that showed him run down a defender that was taking the apparent int to the house... He did tackle him a bit high but to be honest with you... this is hard for me to express... Who does that? People made a big deal about Big Ben's game saver in the divisional round, but gee whiz... if you missed it it is appoximately 1/4-1/3 way through the video... He ran him down and tackled him like a safety would... There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that Vince Young will be one of the greatest qb's since FA and possibly the merger... I can't say enough good things about this stud of a qb. Puck, with VY we will play on mondays.

That pump fake at the start of the video was classic.

Me want Vince:brow:

I do not want a Vick like QB on this team.

funny,... we've had one since '95

Mc started it all

Puck, with VY we will play on mondays.

and hopefully Saturdays soon (playoffs) :brow:

Just reaffirms how much we Need VY or even ML for that matter. Just not.................

Compare VY more to Randall Cunningham then Vick

Man im ordering a custom made Titans Vince Young jersey just so i can be the first one to have one after the draft. Ill be sick if we draft someone else :barf:

Man im ordering a custom made Titans Vince Young jersey just so i can be the first one to have one after the draft. Ill be sick if we draft someone else ...............Better get the barf-bag out cause its gonna be Matt L.(Thank God!!!) I do Not want Vince Young,He will get hurt bad in this league. I will give him credit where credit is due,he can scoot....thats it,period....He can not read an NFL 3-4 speed defense......I wish the Faiders GL with VY on the IR.....HOLLA!!!!

It must be 4:20 where ever you are, because with the #3 pick we're taking Young.

I've seen tons of highlights, but not one of them showed him firing a fastball into a tight spot. Every pass I've seen him throw has been a bit of a floater.

You need to watch the highlight reel from the Ohio St. game where VY won the game with his arm, not his legs. Vince put nice hard passes inbetween Ohio St. defenders numerous times for completions, and he did this in the pocket!! He stayed in the pocket took some hits, but made the passes. He didn't rely on his legs because his receivers were covered well. He stayed in the pocket and put the ball in some tight spaces. That game really showed what Vince can do with his arm.

The touch down pass that put the Longhorns ahead for good was just nasty!! A perfect touch pass right over two defenders; it also was a great catch.

Just some other nasty tid bits that I saw on the highlight reel I was looking at:

In the Oklahoma Un. game Vince ran the ball, and the D gang tackled him. 5 defenders trying to bring him down. Did he go down?? No. He went backwards yes, but he stayed on his feet. It was just sick. And no they weren't 5 defensive backs.

In the Colorado game, Vince straightup pancaked two defenders with one stiff-arm and kept on going. It was disgusting.

VY in nasty. He has some adjustments to make in the NFL, and their is bust-potential, but his real potential is too much to pass up. We need to draft VY!!!

Exhibit A (http://media.putfile.com/Vince-Young-05-Highlights)

Exhibit B (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXXBL4b5NfY)

...this is certainly not the sort of thing I want
to see on Sundays for years to come.


your right, that is something I don't want to see. we have RB's who should run the ball not the QB. All he will end up doing is being hurt and missing games and practices. Sounds like McNair doesn't it:sad2:

Imagine VY under center. Chris Brown and Travis Henry splitbacks behind him. David Givens and Drew Bennett out wide, and Ben Troupe at the end of the line.

Think about that. Play-action, roll-out pass, hand-offs, fake to Henry pitch to Brown. Think about all the possibilities!!!! There are sooo many options. An offense like this would keep any D on their heels. Any D would be lost with an offense like that.

your right, that is something I don't want to see. we have RB's who should run the ball not the QB. All he will end up doing is being hurt and missing games and practices. Sounds like McNair doesn't it:sad2:
So what is YOUR answer to the QB question? Let me guess..Cutler? And by the way...another Mcnair would be pretty #$%&ing good. He's been great for our team and he's been a winner. :grrr:

I wouldn't mind having another Steve Mcnair, who wouldn't

So what is YOUR answer to the QB question? Let me guess..Cutler?


Leinart or Cutler over Young any day of the week. A running QB very rarely last in the NFL. Mcnair's time has been cut short due to him running the ball. I don't want a QB who is going to be out hurt or not practice 3 days a week and hurt the team:sad2:

Leinart or Cutler over Young any day of the week. A running QB very rarely last in the NFL. Mcnair's time has been cut short due to him running the ball. I don't want a QB who is going to be out hurt or not practice 3 days a week and hurt the team:sad2:

I understand where you're coming from. But you make is sound as if Young has NO passing ability. I think he may become a better passer than Mcnair, or Vick for that matter, and he's already a better runner. I like the idea of defenses constantly on their heels because of the double threat qb. I think he's better than you give him credit. ML is a statue in the pocket..Cutler is a good qb, but I think he'll be very average in the NFL.

I understand where you're coming from. But you make is sound as if Young has NO passing ability. I think he may become a better passer than Mcnair, or Vick for that matter, and he's already a better runner. I like the idea of defenses constantly on their heels because of the double threat qb. I think he's better than you give him credit. ML is a statue in the pocket..Cutler is a good qb, but I think he'll be very average in the NFL.


being a better passer than McNair won't take a lot. :brow:

Young will be ok until he gets popped a good one then his running takes a back seat to his avg passing. Just based on his Pro day it has been brought out he missed the wr's on the break. That is a must in the NFL. I don't feel he can read defense's. My opinion and a quarter won't get you much. Just the same as yours about Cutler (Cutler is a good qb, but I think he'll be very average in the NFL.)

Glad to see SEC using reping the vid I shared good stuff

Vince in '06

being a better passer than McNair won't take a lot. :brow:

Young will be ok until he gets popped a good one then his running takes a back seat to his avg passing. Just based on his Pro day it has been brought out he missed the wr's on the break. That is a must in the NFL. I don't feel he can read defense's. My opinion and a quarter won't get you much. Just the same as yours about Cutler (Cutler is a good qb, but I think he'll be very average in the NFL.)


There's good old Ewker, making overstatements that can't be taken seriously...

It's not hard to be a better passer than McNair? Honestly if we felt for sure that he was a better passer than McNair, we'd pick him up in a heartbeat. Look at the career passing stats.

Also, the Pro day thing... that certainly wasn't the majority view. Young got mostly good reviews on his passing.

Young didn't own the highest completion percentage for nothing.

Young didn't own the highest completion percentage for nothing.Young didn't own the highest completion percentage, period. He was #10...

Oh touché. Did I mention that stat was for the University of Texas???? haha..

Glad to see SEC using reping the vid I shared good stuff
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Huh?

Glad to see SEC using reping the vid I shared good stuff
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Huh?


hey Roll , I've noticed you doing this for years ......
don't you know what that QUOTE box is for

it would save you from typing the member name and the context



trying to help make everyone's life a little easier

Glad to see SEC using reping the vid I shared good stuff
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Huh?
oh yeah... see, I made this thread that linked to fish forum... I screwed up and didn't stay within the f2fa network. My bad. So, as a condition of being a network member, the thread had to be deleted. It is true... the better quality video was posted by metal in that deleted thread, however, I'm not entirely sure that someone may have posted that video in this forum somewhere else. It is immaterial... without metal's post there would be no exhibit A.

I thought of thanking him in the opening post, but decided against it because I thought it would take away from the overall shock value of the post. However, a belated "word up" to metal for his contribution!

Interesting Read.
http://www.wfaa.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/stories/032906dnspogosselin.121c9607.html

:homer:

There was one play in the youtube vid that showed him run down a defender that was taking the apparent int to the house... He did tackle him a bit high but to be honest with you... this is hard for me to express... Who does that? People made a big deal about Big Ben's game saver in the divisional round, but gee whiz... if you missed it it is appoximately 1/4-1/3 way through the video... He ran him down and tackled him like a safety would...


While I totally agree with love heaped on Vince, 2 years ago, I saw Culpepper throw a pick and then proceed to haul *** (260+lbs) across the feild, out sprinting all of the traffic around him, run the interceptor down from behind and violently throw him to the ground like a rag doll.

I've seen every Longhorn game by Vince and your right, the first thing I think when he throws an interception is "Oh no, you didn't want to catch that, it's only going to make him mad!", but what Culpepper did that day was possibly even more mind boggleing. He could have been a hell of a linebacker (before his recent injuries that is).

If i used the quote box i would be just like everyone else. Why would i want to do that?

And how do i waste time? I copy, paste and put a line under it.

If i used the quote box i would be just like everyone else. Why would i want to do that?

And how do i waste time? I copy, paste and put a line under it.


Boring..

Mr. Montana on top three QB's:
The C-J: If you were drafting this year and could pick Matt Leinart, Vince Young or Jay Cutler, who would you pick?

Montana: It all depends on your offensive style. You have three different types. You have one who is basically a pocket passer in Matt. The kid from Vandy (Cutler) moves around, but he's not a big runner. The other guy is a combination of both. The thing I like about him the most is that he looks down the field first before he takes off. He's not afraid. He's got some pretty good wheels, and he protects himself. Michael Vick, he takes some serious shots

http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060331/SPORTS/60330034/1002/SPORTS

I don't want to see another running QB. I agree with Ewker on this one.... I'm sick of seeing our star QB on the bench.

Boring..
besides... it's not like you need the quote box anyways...
you don't give a crap about what we say.:winker:

Imagine VY under center. Chris Brown and Travis Henry splitbacks behind him. David Givens and Drew Bennett out wide, and Ben Troupe at the end of the line.

Think about that. Play-action, roll-out pass, hand-offs, fake to Henry pitch to Brown. Think about all the possibilities!!!! There are sooo many options. An offense like this would keep any D on their heels. Any D would be lost with an offense like that.


What a deadly combination

besides... it's not like you need the quote box anyways...
you don't give a crap about what we say.:winker:

:rotfl:

I do not want a Vick like QB on this team.
VY is a bigger, faster, stronger, better, QB that CAN throw the ball.

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here is another VY video. It's a parody song. It's funny...
except if you are a OU fan... (ahem.. WoolfolksUncle...)