Is Cutler the best QB in the draft....this "expert" he is.....

http://nfl.com/draft/story/9341853

no.

No!

NO! Shut the **** up with the Cutler bull**** nonsense talk. He sucks, face it.
:eek: YIKES!
He doesn't suck...:ha:

:banned:

ohh... snappish...:))

No!
I saw that edit boy!!!
:rotfl:

I wonder what Don'tDraftCutler will have to say about this thread

Cutler is mediocre comapred to Young!!!

Cutler is mediocre comapred to Young!!!
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They are both good. Let's rep well for Young.
No need to be a wonderlic flunking hooligan about it.http://images.finheaven.com/forums/smilies/monkeyl.gif

Hating on Jay Cutler doesn't make Vince Young or Matt Leinart better.:sad2:

If Jay Cutler were mediocre he wouldn't be a top 10 guarantee it pick.:greedy:

Is Cutler the best QB in the draft...Sure, why not...

I don't hate Cutler, I wasn't 'hating on him'.

I don't hate Cutler, I wasn't 'hating on him'.
ok. what ever you say you pom. :winker:

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Calling the boy "mediocre" is just not paying him his due. To me, a boot is something I put on my foot, not the back end of my car. I don't ride lifts... I ride elevators. And in this counrty (USA), when you dis someone and minimize what they are or what they have done... that is hating. ('hatin' really...)

ps- we drink iced tea 100 times more often than hot tea.
oh yeah... and you're wrong.

I guess you've become a 'Pom Muncher' too.:grrr:

NO, Cutler is NOT the best QB!!

I guess you've become a 'Pom Muncher' too.:grrr:
hahahahaha...:ha: I don't even get that one but that's pretty good.
you fun to screw with:))

If he ain't the best, he's pretty close.

I can guarantee you , without any doubt in my mind , that if Jay Cutler had gone to USC as opposed to Vanderbilt, he would be regarded higher than he already is

He didn't climb (not only into the 1st round), but into the Top 10 for nothing

Put Matt Leinart at Vanderbilt and my guess is that the result may have been similar if not worse. Jay won alot of the games Vandy won on his own. The final drive against UT was damn near all Jay

it seems to me that cutler is the best of the top three. you know he is smart. he went to vandy for god sake. he's got a strong arm with good accurancy and he has the ability to scramble when the pocket breaks down. leinart is solid and i'm sure would fit right into the offense, but he already looks like he is in his 30's, the way he moves around makes me think he's going to have to retire after next season. as for young, i think the only player you can compare him to is vick and i'd rather have wins than highlights. plus he's from texas.

I can guarantee you , without any doubt in my mind , that if Jay Cutler had gone to USC as opposed to Vanderbilt, he would be regarded higher than he already is

He didn't climb (not only into the 1st round), but into the Top 10 for nothing

Put Matt Leinart at Vanderbilt and my guess is that the result may have been similar if not worse. Jay won alot of the games Vandy won on his own. The final drive against UT was damn near all Jay


Simon Cowell says: "It's still a 'no.'"

as for young, i think the only player you can compare him to is vick and i'd rather have wins than highlights. plus he's from texas.
young has essentially the same record as leinart. and vick has a pretty good winning %

for the last time

winng % has nothing to do with the abilities of the QB
(or at least not everything to do with it)

coaching, intangibles, defense, RB's, WR's, OL all contribute

i'll never know why people relate "greatness" of a QB to his teams wins

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good one...
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Would Ouija agree?

it seems to me that cutler is the best of the top three. you know he is smart. he went to vandy for god sake. he's got a strong arm with good accurancy and he has the ability to scramble when the pocket breaks down. leinart is solid and i'm sure would fit right into the offense, but he already looks like he is in his 30's, the way he moves around makes me think he's going to have to retire after next season. as for young, i think the only player you can compare him to is vick and i'd rather have wins than highlights. plus he's from texas.
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direct link (http://youtube.com/watch?v=q4dIokx90R8)

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that INT was the WR's fault for not even attempting to make a play on the ball. from the look of it, catching it was an afterthought

It was a bad throw, clearly behind the receiver, but can you mention a quarterback that never makes a bad throw? And as Puck points out, the receiver showed 0 effort in getting to that ball.

The real problem with Cutler is that there isn't much video of him out there. So we don't have a whole lot to judge upon.

he could have led him more, but i'm putting that one on the WR.

•Strengths: Great arm and good size. … Moves well outside the pocket and throws well on the run. …Tough player who absorbed plenty of punishment in college, but kept getting up.

Is Cutler the best QB in the draft....this "expert" he is.....

http://nfl.com/draft/story/9341853


Safety
1. Donte Whitner, Ohio State
2. Jason Allen, Tennessee
3. Daniel Bullocks, Nebraska
4. Anthony Smith, Syracuse
5. Darnell Bing, USC
6. Ko Simpson, South Carolina

ok, proof positive this guy is off-kilter

It was a bad throw, clearly behind the receiver, but can you mention a quarterback that never makes a bad throw? And as Puck points out, the receiver showed 0 effort in getting to that ball.

The real problem with Cutler is that there isn't much video of him out there. So we don't have a whole lot to judge upon.
oh c'mon! I hardly even said anything. The thoughts and opinions expressed by CBS announcers don't neccesarilly reflect those of SEC 330 BIPOLAR...
:sad2:<---you guys make alot out of a smilie especially when I was sticking up for the guy the other day...:irked:

It's fun to get people talking...I'm too bored...:ha:

Safety
1. Donte Whitner, Ohio State
2. Jason Allen, Tennessee
3. Daniel Bullocks, Nebraska
4. Anthony Smith, Syracuse
5. Darnell Bing, USC
6. Ko Simpson, South Carolina

ok, proof positive this guy is off-kilter
My point exactly. Crazy guy that somehow got the title of expert. Makes me wonder how I can get a job as a staff writer for NFL.com:brow:

oh c'mon! I hardly even said anything. The thoughts and opinions expressed by CBS announcers don't neccesarilly reflect those of SEC 330 BIPOLAR...
:sad2:<---you guys make alot out of a smilie especially when I was sticking up for the guy the other day...:irked:

It's fun to get people talking...I'm too bored...:ha:

Actually, BP, that wasn't directed at you at all.. but hey, if the shoe fits :))

Just because I'm laughing dosn't mean I'm not bored. :ha:

I think Cutler is OK. He's not my first choice but he is a fine qb. I think Leinart will be gone and it will be a choice between Young and Cutler. I think we will end up taking Young. The only thing that is jamming that up is Steve's 25 million cap #... something absolutely positively must be done about that. We must retain Steve McNair. I feel that Steve is willing to cut off his nose to spite his face... In either case, Jay Cutler would make a great Titan... but it's very likely IMO, that the Titans will pass on him.

regardless of whoever is the best QB in the draft (which possibly won't be any of the Top 3), I would rather have Cutler and his Cannon and Escapability then Leinart

but I still would rather take the risk on Young

History tells us that one of these three guys is going to be an absolute bust. That's history! It also tells us that one guy will be a great pick and one no better than a servicable backup.

We can't just say that all these guys are equal somehow and as long as we get one it doesn't matter. Reese needs to make up his mind who he really likes the most and go for that guy even if it means trading up one spot.

Seems to me that young is the way to go. He has the most star potential, is an awesome runner and apparently was at least as good as lienart in his workouts. Certainly as accurate and i'm sure his arm is just as strong. He is 5 inches and 15 lbs larger than vick which says a lot.

Note that i'm over my tirade over young not wanted to run and i also have to face the reality that we will not be taking mario williams. It will be one of these three guys. Young is our best bet.

Of course omar jacobs might be there in rd 3 if we can trade to get a pick and if lendale is there in rd 2 the mario move looks good but realistically it's not likely to happen so why waste energy on it.

WHAT?!?!?!? How the ____ can this dude have Cutler above ML and VY....this absolutely makes me sick. Who is this guy who came up with this list anyway? I've never heard of him...

Here it comes....:barf::barf::barf::barf:

Because he thinks Cutler is the best. I have no problem with someone wanting Young or Leinart over Cutler. There are a few that really do think Cutler is the best choice and I respect their opinion.

You're right....I'm sorry.

You're right....I'm sorry.


you are right, you are sorry with a screen name like that :winker:

you are right, you are sorry with a screen name like that :winker:
maybe he just doesn't like Cutler. No harm done IMO....

maybe he just doesn't like Cutler. No harm done IMO....

did you manage to see the :winker: at the end of the message....geesh kids these days:ha:

maybe he just doesn't like Cutler. No harm done IMO....

did you manage to see the :winker: at the end of the message....geesh kids these days:ha:


nice edit..to late you blew it:))

you are right, you are sorry with a screen name like that :winker:
I just thought it was a continuation of an inside joke from another thread...
just my two cents...:))

:ha: Absolutely no offense taken. I expected to catch some flack for having a screen name like i do. No Problem...uh hey, titanjay, mind yo own business:winker:

ddC, I think your screen name is hilarious!!!
I almost spit Dr. Pepper all over my computer screen the first time I saw it...
:spit: ...and I don't even have anything against Jay Cutler. You've even got the avatar to match... so Randy and Paula like it... Who cares what Simon thinks!!!:))
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for the record... I hate American Idol.:ha:

Thanks. It's really just a joke. I don't actually have anything against Cutler, I just don't think he should be rated as highly as he is. All in fun. I guess I'll have to change if we do end up drafting him... maybe whycutler? or something like that:brow:

bipolar isn't the only one :)

Matt Leinart will be a career backup in the NFL

Matt Leinart will be a career backup in the NFL
Where did that come from? Why do you say that? I'm not disagreeing or agreeing, just wondering why you think that....

Matt Leinart will be a career backup in the NFL
:eek: wow Puck. That's bold...

is it because he's a fragile freddy?

Matt Leinart will be a career backup in the NFL
What about Vince?
Will Cutler be an all pro?

Fragile Freddy?
Where does the injury stuff about Lienart and injuries come from? From what I understand, he had two minor surgeries in the offseason, and didn't miss any games from them. That's not really a big deal, tons of players do that in the NFL.

Fragile Freddy?
Where does the injury stuff about Lienart and injuries come from? From what I understand, he had two minor surgeries in the offseason, and didn't miss any games from them. That's not really a big deal, tons of players do that in the NFL.
I don't know.
Where does this career backup stuff come from?
I'm just asking for the sermon.

Puck's innane predictions.

in·ane Pronunciation (n-n)
adj. in·an·er, in·an·est
One that lacks sense or substance...?

I want us to pick.....................the one who becomes an all-pro :suspect:
I really don't know which one I like better. I've been on all of the band wagons (though I was on Leinart's considerably less than the other two) so I really can't decide. Now I'm leaning back towards Cutler. If you remember, Cutler is the only one the three who had a "great" workout. Both Leinart and Young's workouts were "so,so".

The only thing I'm sure of is that I'll support whoever we get.

ditto wplatham

Me too....heck i might even buy a freakin' Cutler jersey if we get him:hmm:

and then a housing development property in IRAQ?

well if we did get cutler i would much rather have him than leinhart, but VY is the man for the titans

Let me remind you all that the flavor of the month is always pulled off the shelf some 30 days later....Ryan Leaf for example. Seems like every year some qb stormes up the draft board for some team to take. Here he is this year our own Jay Cutler. My prediction (I hope I am wrong) Jay is nothing more than Maui Brownie Maddness.

Let me remind you all that the flavor of the month is always pulled off the shelf some 30 days later....Ryan Leaf for example. Seems like every year some qb stormes up the draft board for some team to take. Here he is this year our own Jay Cutler. My prediction (I hope I am wrong) Jay is nothing more than Maui Brownie Maddness.
I couldn't have said it better.:lol:

Leinart is Not Mint

Cutler = Kyle Boller
Rifle arm....not much else

It will be interesting what the Titans think. I do know that Cutler was able to put big time numbers against some very good defenses and when he had a true go to WR he was darn good. Had he played with more talent around him he could have eaily averaged 300 passing per game.

Soxcat, so true. People want to down play Cutler but he played in one of the toughest conferences against some damn good defenses. He had good stats considering what players he had around him. Young or Leinart wouldn't be as good if they played at Vandy IMO

Well Leinart with his NFL OL, WRs, TE and RBs did put up much better stats than Cutler. Leinart threw for 3815 yards last year where Cutler only threw for 3073.

Wait, Cutler's numbers are for 11 games and Leinart's are for 13. So much for a big difference. To even think Cutler couldn't have been as productive at USC as Leinart would be ridiculous considering he was almost as productive at Vandy. It wouldn't surprise me at all if the Titans had him rated as high or higher than the other two.

I totally understand that. Seems to be more people who don't.

Well there's no convincing either of you guys that Cutler isn't what he's hyped up to be...just like there's no convincing me that he is. I agree to just disagree. Truth be known I don't know that much about him. I knew who he was last season, but I followed Vince Young much more because 1) I'm from Texas 2) I'm a huge Longhorn fan...Biased? Heck yeah!:))
As far as Leinart, who could help hearing about him... the publicity he got/gets is unbelievable.

You may or may not like Leinhart, but to penalize his career just because he played on a great team is unfair. Just like penalizing Cutler because he plays on a sucky team. Leinhart put up outstanding numbers from day one and only lost 1 game. Sure he had talent around him, but so did Carson Palmer and Peyton Manning, but they are doing fine. I think Leinhart will be a fine QB in the NFL.

Good post..... Guys, the hard and honest truth is...we don't know for sure how any of the big 3 will do. Sure we each have our favorite. We have to leave it in the hands of the "experts" and just hope they make the right choice. Potentially all three have greatness written all over them.....they also have bust written all over them too.

You may or may not like Leinhart, but to penalize his career just because he played on a great team is unfair. Just like penalizing Cutler because he plays on a sucky team. Leinhart put up outstanding numbers from day one and only lost 1 game. Sure he had talent around him, but so did Carson Palmer and Peyton Manning, but they are doing fine. I think Leinhart will be a fine QB in the NFL.

Thats a good point. I see no reason to try to put one guy down just to make another look better when both or all three could be successfull. The issue with comparing these guys is being able to see potential. Certainly Leinart is the most pro-ready of the three but he did play on a great team and he also had great coaching. That gives him a jump start on the other two. For example, if we dissect mechanics and footwork Leinart wins hands down. That isn't to say that a guy like Cutler with the same coaching couldn't be more refined at a later stage of his career. No one would argue that Leinart had top notch coaching in a pro-system. However, when looking at potential can a guy like Cutler learn and develop his mechanics and footwork to go along with his superior arm, something that can't be taught just like speed can't be taught. Young is a good example of being a guy who is a great runner but can he adapt into a more pure passer. He apprears to have a good enough arm.

The point really is we have to be carefull in how much stock we put in college accomplishments, although those do count and look at the material the coaches will have to work with. I'm not on the Cutler bandwagon because I'm a Vandy homer. No way would I want a Vandy QB on the Titans who couldn't get it done. The school makes no difference at all.
I do think the fact that Cutler put up numbers similar to a guy like Leinart on a team like Vandy should speak positively for his pure ability more than the negative of not winning many games. Alot of average college QBs won a bunch on games on great teams. Heck, just give Cutler Bush for a season and that one player would be enough to get Vandy to a bowl game (very rare) but would also balloon Cutler's already decent stats considerably.

You may or may not like Leinhart, but to penalize his career just because he played on a great team is unfair.

The problem is that a lot of fans and the media as well argue that Leinart is better, not because of skill, but because his team won more than Cutlers. With that line of reasoning, the "better teammates" argument is very valid.

Leinhart has proven to be better under preasure than Cutler too. He's played in several very big games and won almost all of them. Yes, he played on a team with a lot of talent but you could say that for every BCS team. Look at Ohio State, Penn State, West Virginia, LSU and on and on.... They're all stocked with good players so I don't think saying that Leinhart was good just because he had good players around him is completly fair. I think all those good players make up a good team not an individual player. To me, it's all about winnig. Leinhart knows how to win. He's used to being a winner. He's used to being the captian of a championship team and you can't measure or put a grade on that. Cutler is pretty good and there's nothing that says he can't come out and tear it up. Same goes for Young... But, if I was the one who's job depended on making a good pick I'd pick the guy that already knows how to win and win on the biggest stage.

The problem is that a lot of fans and the media as well argue that Leinart is better, not because of skill, but because his team won more than Cutlers. With that line of reasoning, the "better teammates" argument is very valid.


Decent read on Leinart and significance of his pro-day.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=pasquarelli_len&id=2397632

Leinhart has proven to be better under preasure than Cutler too. He's played in several very big games and won almost all of them. Yes, he played on a team with a lot of talent but you could say that for every BCS team. Look at Ohio State, Penn State, West Virginia, LSU and on and on.... They're all stocked with good players so I don't think saying that Leinhart was good just because he had good players around him is completly fair. I think all those good players make up a good team not an individual player. To me, it's all about winnig. Leinhart knows how to win. He's used to being a winner. He's used to being the captian of a championship team and you can't measure or put a grade on that. Cutler is pretty good and there's nothing that says he can't come out and tear it up. Same goes for Young... But, if I was the one who's job depended on making a good pick I'd pick the guy that already knows how to win and win on the biggest stage.

and think about this, vince is even better under pressure games and when they went head to head vince had the heigher passer rating;)

Leinhart has proven to be better under preasure than Cutler too. He's played in several very big games and won almost all of them. Yes, he played on a team with a lot of talent but you could say that for every BCS team. Look at Ohio State, Penn State, West Virginia, LSU and on and on.... They're all stocked with good players so I don't think saying that Leinhart was good just because he had good players around him is completly fair. I think all those good players make up a good team not an individual player. To me, it's all about winnig. Leinhart knows how to win. He's used to being a winner. He's used to being the captian of a championship team and you can't measure or put a grade on that. Cutler is pretty good and there's nothing that says he can't come out and tear it up. Same goes for Young... But, if I was the one who's job depended on making a good pick I'd pick the guy that already knows how to win and win on the biggest stage.

And this is a prime example of penalizing someone for what team they were on. To me if you judge someone better or worse because of their winning percentage or bowl games then you're judging him based on the team he played for. The nfl is not the nba- I don't think one player can drastically change that much in the nfl. <--- but that is my assumption

Personally, I like Cutler, but I'm not so sold on him that I can positively state he is better than either of the other two. It doesnt bother me at all when someone says ML or VY is better than him. What does bother me is when ppl use arguements like this.

I dont mean that it really upsets me or anything, its just kind of frustrating. If you dont like Cutler or if you like other guys better than him fine; but give me reasoning that doesnt include stats, wins, or bowl games.

If you want to say ML is the smarter QB, he's ran the closest thing to a pro-style offense ,and he is the most accurate and saavy qb on the board then great.

If you want to say VY is supremely atheletic and blows others away because of it, then I get that.

If you even want to say, that you question Cutler's ability to make decisions and his ability to develop that in nfl....cool.

But to me to say VY or ML is better because they won this game or that game or a set of games.... its just doesnt seem to be a very solid argument to me. :winker:

I agree completely.
Cutler is in a peculier situation because most top QBs do also play for fairly successfull teams. Still, Cutler never had a chance to lead his team from behind against ND with the likes of Bush and Co. Can't fault a guy because his team was not good enough to put him in those situations to begin with.

I agree completely.
Cutler is in a peculier situation because most top QBs do also play for fairly successfull teams. Still, Cutler never had a chance to lead his team from behind against ND with the likes of Bush and Co. Can't fault a guy because his team was not good enough to put him in those situations to begin with.

Soxcat,I think you and I have been on the same side of this for awhile and I've seen you get a lot of crap for it. But the way I see it is there are Vince Young fans, there are ML fans, and there are Cutler fans-and thats all cool. Personally I'm a Titans fan and want them to get whoever is the best qb for the NEW titans and I'm hearing more and more of that sentiment as we get closer to the draft.

I think its an exciting time to be a Titans fan. We are developing a new face, a new style, and a new identity. What will that look like and how will we get it done? I sure as hell don't know. But I'm loving watching it develop. :toast:

this message is to the title of the topic, in words hell no (vince young, or matt leinart)

I dont mean that it really upsets me or anything, its just kind of frustrating. If you dont like Cutler or if you like other guys better than him fine; but give me reasoning that doesnt include stats, wins, or bowl games.
I you don't judge a player on stats and wins than what do you judge them on?? That's part of it. Like I said, I like Cutler but I like Leinhart better. My reasoning is my reasonin just like you don't really have a legitimit reason for liking Cutler more than the other two. To say that winning doesn't matter is crazy. Leinhart was the best player on the best team in the country for three straight years in row, not to mention, a Heisman Trophy winner to boot. He's pretty damn solid.

If you want to say ML is the smarter QB, he's ran the closest thing to a pro-style offense ,and he is the most accurate and saavy qb on the board then great.
You could make that arguement for ML very easily.

But to me to say VY or ML is better because they won this game or that game or a set of games.... its just doesnt seem to be a very solid argument to me. :winker:
Sorry, but that's what ends up being the bottom line. There's no question that Cutler would've done fine with a team like Texas or USC but that's all speculation and fact of the matter is that he played at Vandy. Like it or not he'll have to prove himself better than the stigma that comes along with playing at a losing school.

I you don't judge a player on stats and wins than what do you judge them on??

Abilities and skills come to mind. A quarterback can easily play lights out and still have his team lose the game (think Volek the other year).

I you don't judge a player on stats and wins than what do you judge them on?? That's part of it. Like I said, I like Cutler but I like Leinhart better. My reasoning is my reasonin just like you don't really have a legitimit reason for liking Cutler more than the other two. To say that winning doesn't matter is crazy. Leinhart was the best player on the best team in the country for three straight years in row, not to mention, a Heisman Trophy winner to boot. He's pretty damn solid.


You could make that arguement for ML very easily.


Sorry, but that's what ends up being the bottom line. There's no question that Cutler would've done fine with a team like Texas or USC but that's all speculation and fact of the matter is that he played at Vandy. Like it or not he'll have to prove himself better than the stigma that comes along with playing at a losing school.

Instead of stats and wins you judge them on film. You judge them on how well they move, throw, tests scores, and set-up work outs. You judge them on ability- not on how whether their team won or lost games.

You say its just speculation on how well Cutler would have done on USC- but speculation is all that we can do. Its speculation on how a guy did on any college team to how well he will do on an nfl team.

If you're using team wins/loses and stats then its still speculation on how well ML will do on an NFL team based on how well he did on a well stacked college team.

Its speculation on how Culter will do on an nfl team based on how well he did on a poor college team. So all thats still speculation...

I suggest that when you try to evaluation a player you break down their abilities and make your judgements on that... not stats and wins/loses that will skew opinions becuase of a team's success.

Its not really that hard. If you dont like Cutler or you don't think he is as good as ML or VY then give a specific reason why- using a description of his abilities.

Abilities and skills come to mind. A quarterback can easily play lights out and still have his team lose the game (think Volek the other year).
Did I assume that skills weren't involved, sorry. Of course skills and ability matter, those are the same tools it takes to lead a team it winning seasons. (Volek played lights out??) Volek only won one game that he started. It may be coincidence but teams aren't exactly banging the door down for him. If you don't think that winning plays a part in the scouting process you've lost your mind. Not to say that it is soley the most important (I know it's not) but it does matter.

As an example I'll give a couple of negatives I have on all 3 quarterbacks:

Leinart: Doesn't show great strength, not as mobile as the other 2
Young: Tends to tuck and run to quick, often floats his passes
Cutler: Tends to stare down receivers, often throws off his back foot

This is all based on footage I've seen of the 3.

(Volek played lights out??) Volek only won one game that he started.

Again with the winning as the measure of success. Volek had 2 games where he played great, combined 69/103 for 918 yards, 8 TD's, 1 INT and 3 sacks. Yet the team lost both games.

Instead of stats and wins you judge them on film. You judge them on how well they move, throw, tests scores, and set-up work outs. You judge them on ability- not on how whether their team won or lost games.

I never said that you judge a player entirely on wins and losses but it does matter. Sorry, that's the knock on Cutler... You can watch it all day on the NFL channel and they all talk about him coming from a losing program.

I suggest that when you try to evaluation a player you break down their abilities and make your judgements on that... not stats and wins/loses that will skew opinions becuase of a team's success.

Its not really that hard. If you dont like Cutler or you don't think he is as good as ML or VY then give a specific reason why- using a description of his abilities.
I haven't seen your evaluation of why you like Cutler over Leinhart yet. I like Leinhart's ability to make decisions under preasure better than Cutler's. As for ability, I don't think there's a night and day difference which is why I like Leinhart better. Cutler has a better arm we all know that. As for who'll prepare more (film study ect.) I don't know but if you look at results who do you like??? Who's faster? Neither is a speed demon so who cares there's not that big a defference there. I've stood next to Cutler and he isn't as big as I would expect an NFL QB to be. Of course I was about thirteen cold beers into it and he didn't seem to far behind.... So aside from Cutler having a better arm they both pocess NFL ability so I have to look at intangibles like: playing under preasure consistantly over the course of a season or two, toughness, leadership, inteligence, big game play and so on... Based on those things I like Leinhart.

Again with the winning as the measure of success. Volek had 2 games where he played great, combined 69/103 for 918 yards, 8 TD's, 1 INT and 3 sacks. Yet the team lost both games.
You aren't going to win me over with Volek. He's the biggest wuss on the team and we'll never win with him as starter. All of the games your talking about were losers. He had to pass because we were down by several touch downs... Big Deal! We still lost. That's a hole different thread.

You aren't going to win me over with Volek. He's the biggest wuss on the team and we'll never win with him as starter. All of the games your talking about were losers. He had to pass because we were down by several touch downs... Big Deal! We still lost. That's a hole different thread.

I'm not trying to say Volek is a great QB, I am however pointing out that looking at the win-loss column doesn't reflect how the individual player performed. I used those 2 games in isolation to illustrate that point.

Look, I like Cutler. He's a southern Indiana kid like me so I'd love to see him come in here and kick some Ars. I just think ML may be a little more suited to coming in and playing good earlier than the others. Besides the fact that of his playing experience he also has ties with Norm Chow and that could make a difference too...

I never said that you judge a player entirely on wins and losses but it does matter. Sorry, that's the knock on Cutler... You can watch it all day on the NFL channel and they all talk about him coming from a losing program.


I haven't seen your evaluation of why you like Cutler over Leinhart yet. I like Leinhart's ability to make decisions under preasure better than Cutler's. As for ability, I don't think there's a night and day difference which is why I like Leinhart better. Cutler has a better arm we all know that. As for who'll prepare more (film study ect.) I don't know but if you look at results who do you like??? Who's faster? Neither is a speed demon so who cares there's not that big a defference there. I've stood next to Cutler and he isn't as big as I would expect an NFL QB to be. Of course I was about thirteen cold beers into it and he didn't seem to far behind.... So aside from Cutler having a better arm they both pocess NFL ability so I have to look at intangibles like: playing under preasure consistantly over the course of a season or two, toughness, leadership, inteligence, big game play and so on... Based on those things I like Leinhart.

Thats great. That is exactly what I want to see when we talk about evaluating a player- talking about abilities over stats and wins. Why is that so hard for ppl? (I'm not really talking about you?) But like you said the main knock on Cutler is the winning percentage and lack of bowl games his vandy team produced. To me that is no a solid knock against him- its a superficial and shallow way to judge a player. (again I'm not meaning you).

I'm not sold that Cutler is better than ML, but I like him. I see the same things you just said "As for ability, I don't think there's a night and day difference"

but Cutler has a better arm, is more mobile, is faster, has shown that he can take a beating and shine in difficult situations. Then there is the offseason where every event he competes- pro day, senior bowl, combine. I like that.Even when supposedly Bus was advising him to skip the combine- he listens to others and he showed up ready to compete. ML was cautious and smart about it- there is no knock there- but I like that Cutler wants to compete. I think his accuracy is good if not great (espeically after his pro day and I think he can make exciting throws that ML can't make and he is more of a risk taker- a go for it competitor. I like that too.

I also see weakness. I think ML has a better touch. I think ML has learned how to take care of the ball better and read defenses better. I think ML is smarter, more cautious. His technique is better and I would bet he knows the game better. But I think his arm is average at best. I think he may be too cautious. I dont know that he is that good under pressure. Though I know a lot of people would disagree with that. I remember the game against young, he looked pretty rattled. He did a great job of settling down- but i think he did get rattled in the early-middle of the game. I think he got rattled on his pro day. Even fisher is quoted as saying he thought he was trying too hard (paraphrasing). Matt himself talked about trying to throw it too hard here and there and being too stiff and such. He calmed down and did well- but I think he did get rattled.

So i think they are very close. But the things that I see Matt being very very good at are things that I think Cutler can develop under chow. Expereince with pro-style offense, being better able to read defenses, better technique and mechanics, etc. Maybe I'm completely wrong here and that is not as easy for hom to develop as I think.

In the end if they are really as close as i think they could be- then which would you rather have at the end of the game. We're behind by 4 at the end of the game with very little time on the clock- time for 1 maaaybe 2 plays left. Its 4rth and 5 on in the redzone and fisher/chow put it in the hands of our qb. Two guys are open. One will just get you the first down and the other will get you the touchdown. The first down is the sure thing to troupe. The touchdown will take a needle pass into the hands of Brandon Jones.... Which choice would you want us to take and which qb woud you choose us to have to make it. :lol: - ok that was just because I'm bored on a slow news/rumor day. :ha:

Seriously though I dont know who is better and I dont know which is a better fit for the NEW Titans that the FO is putting together. I just get tired of arguments that lean on the team's succes and not on the players individual abilities...

The arguement btwn. Leinhart and Cutler reminds me alot of the Leaf vs. Manning debate. Not saying that either will be Manning or Leaf, but similarities there.

well if we did get cutler i would much rather have him than leinhart, but VY is the man for the titans

Right on!!

In the end if they are really as close as i think they could be- then which would you rather have at the end of the game. We're behind by 4 at the end of the game with very little time on the clock- time for 1 maaaybe 2 plays left. Its 4rth and 5 on in the redzone and fisher/chow put it in the hands of our qb. Two guys are open. One will just get you the first down and the other will get you the touchdown. The first down is the sure thing to troupe. The touchdown will take a needle pass into the hands of Brandon Jones.... Which choice would you want us to take and which qb woud you choose us to have to make it. :lol: - ok that was just because I'm bored on a slow news/rumor day. :ha:



Did you see the Notre Dame game? If there were any doubts you can just go back to that game where he threaded the needle for about sixty yards with the world on the line. Both QB's are easy to make an arguement for though.... It's going to be exciting. I can't wait to hear everybody b!tch when we finally get someone. It won't matter who either.:))

... It's going to be exciting. I can't wait to hear everybody b!tch when we finally get someone. It won't matter who either.:))


I won't be biatching about who we get.

I'm ready to put this issue to bed.

tell me about it, speaking of bed...it's calling me right now.

Frankly, I want Omar Jacobs in the 2nd round.

I still say if Cutler had the team around him and the coaching Leinart had he would be considered one of the top QBs in the draft. The fact he is considered one of the top QBs in the draft after playing at Vandy tells you something about his skills and ability.

:deadhorse

what is your username gonna be after the draft?

:ha: Whydidwedraftcutler......

But i hope its THANKGODWEDIDNTDRAFTCUTLER!!!!:ha: