.....and Steve does not return to Baptist Sports Park or to the Titans, what do you think the odds are that Vince Young will be picked by the Titans?
Personally I think it looks bad for VY if he wanted to play here. Cutler and Leinart will be ready to play sooner, IMO, than VY.
With Steve gone, we can't wait 2 years to get our new starting QB onto the field.

I think it would be a disappointment TO Vince Young...He has to be looking forward to working with his mentor...? I think Leinart is probably the most ready for the NFL out of the three....I just thinks Cutler takes to many risks, the kind that will be devastating in the NFL.....

of course Cutler took at lot of risks! Look who he played for, he had to. Put him on a good team and surround him with the players ML or VY had and see how well he would have preformed. Now put those QB's on Vandy and see what would have happened to them.

I can always count a good argument from Ewker :) When I say risks...maybe I mean bad decisions. I haven't seen that much of him, honestly, but it seems like he doesn't see the 'whole' field.

I haven't seen that much of him, honestly, but it seems like he doesn't see the 'whole' field.

and Young does :suspect:

Any chance we see McNair and Young in black and silver?

and Young does :suspect:
I didn't say Young does, but I think he does more than Cutler.

I think it would be a disappointment TO Vince Young...He has to be looking forward to working with his mentor...? I think Leinart is probably the most ready for the NFL out of the three....I just thinks Cutler takes to many risks, the kind that will be devastating in the NFL.....
How do you think he felt a few days ago when Steve said he didn't want to be a mentor for who the Titans may pick at #3?

How do you think he felt a few days ago when Steve said he didn't want to be a mentor for who the Titans may pick at #3?
Steve didn't say he didn't want to be a mentor. He SAID that he feels that he has many more years left in him to play and he didn't want to groom a QB to take over the reins in the next year or two.

I don't understand why people are saying that Leinart is more prepared to be a starter in the NFL, moreso than Young. If I recall, wasn't it Young who basically, singlehandedly won the Rose Bowl? Making quick, good decisions and crucial plays?

Steve didn't say he didn't want to be a mentor. He SAID that he feels that he has many more years left in him to play and he didn't want to groom a QB to take over the reins in the next year or two.


This is what was said, " Bus Cook, agent for QB Steve McNair, claims his client wants to remain a starter for the next few seasons and has no interest in grooming a rookie to replace him. "He is a starter. Why would he want to mentor a young guy to take his place? He is not ready for the rocking chair. It doesn't matter if it is Cutler, Leinart, Vince Young or anybody else. It doesn't make sense for Steve McNair to take a huge cut in pay — it wouldn't be this year obviously, but it would be next — to be a mentor for some young guy no matter who it is. It might be great for Tennessee, but it wouldn't be good for Steve."

As I said before, how do you think VY or any QB for that matter felt after he heard, or read that?

I didn't say Young does, but I think he does more than Cutler.

Cutler had 21 TDs and 9 ints with a QB rating of 126 (3073 yards in 11 games).
If Cutler had put up those stats at USC he would be considered a decent QB but doing that at Vandy is nothing short of outstanding. His OL was overmatched every game and his WRs were not exactly stellar although late in the year when true freshman Earl Bennett really started to take off Cutler's stats went from decent to great (he averaged 352 yards per game his last 4 games against SC, Kentucky, Florida and UT). To say he doesn't see the field and makes poor decisions is not reflected in his stats concidering he had to run for his life most of the time.

Cutler was the only QB to throw for more than 300 yards against Tennessee and Mississippi and only one of two to do so against Kentucky, Florida and South Carolina (Florida and SC gave up over 300 yards in their bowl games).
IMO Cutler would do as well if not better than Leinart if he played with the same level of talent.

This is what was said, " Bus Cook, agent for QB Steve McNair, claims his client wants to remain a starter for the next few seasons and has no interest in grooming a rookie to replace him. "He is a starter. Why would he want to mentor a young guy to take his place? He is not ready for the rocking chair. It doesn't matter if it is Cutler, Leinart, Vince Young or anybody else. It doesn't make sense for Steve McNair to take a huge cut in pay — it wouldn't be this year obviously, but it would be next — to be a mentor for some young guy no matter who it is. It might be great for Tennessee, but it wouldn't be good for Steve."

As I said before, how do you think VY or any QB for that matter felt after he heard, or read that?

I beleive the following day Steve straightened that comment out.

of course Cutler took at lot of risks! Look who he played for, he had to. Put him on a good team and surround him with the players ML or VY had and see how well he would have preformed. Now put those QB's on Vandy and see what would have happened to them.

Vince still would have eaten people alive.... SEC, ACC, Big12, doesn't matter... He was a man among boys at times.... ok none of them are boys but you get the picture.:)

I beleive the following day Steve straightened that comment out.

Actually, he never referenced it. He never said VY, Cutler, or ML, or mentor in his statement.

Any chance we see McNair and Young in black and silver?

None at all..... Titans tradition will take over

Getting back to the original point, is VY chances of being a Titan falling with the possible exit of McNair?

It sure looks that way. My reasoning being, nobody believes VY will be ready to start in the NFL this fall. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe they think VY would do just as well sitting behind Volek. Who knows?

It's strange, but looking at the mock drafts, it seems like fewer and fewer people are talking about Vince being a titan except for on this board... a vast majority of the mocks have us taking matt.

I think McNair has no impact on the draft choice.
Chances? ok... Vinnie and Guido just paid me a visit...:winker:
here you go.

No Steve McNair...

odds of Leinart 10-1 (will be drafted at #2)
odds of Cutler 5-1
odds of Young 3-1

odds that we draft Mario what's his name the DE - 1,237,834 to 1

I think McNair has no impact on the draft choice.


I agree. Floyd is going to take whoever he thinks the best one is, who's teaching him isnt going to be a factor.

Just to clarify, I agree, I think Steve is a totally separate issue than who we're drafting. However, looking separately at that issue, most people outside this board seem to think we're going to take Lienart.

I honestly think he'll be gone. Someone will trade up with the Saints...we will have to choose between Vince and Cutler.

I don't understand why people are saying that Leinart is more prepared to be a starter in the NFL, moreso than Young.

more experienced??

i hope that we someone takes leinhart caues i dont want a chance in hell at gettin him, i would much rather have cutler over him, but i want big V

It might be great for Tennessee, but it wouldn't be good for Steve.
oh...KobeChaz, thanks for reminding me of the position of Bus Cook's client. We've got to remember, it all about what's best for Steve.

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First of all, Leon is a busy man. And second, I gotta step back once in a while and give the other athletes some air time. Leon tends to steal the show. I mean, that’s one day - you get Leon the other 364.

I’ll catch y’all during Spring...Training.

As Leon always says, "I ain’t playin unless someone is payin'." I’m out.

Leon, that dude is a riot! Does anybody else think that when Bus released that statement, that was when the $#!^ hit the fan at BSP? Both sides seemed to be posturing prior to that statement. Then it turned real ugly. Now it looks like the relationship has reached the point of no return. At this point, I am hoping for something in return for Steve. Now, I have to find a new jersey for the wife and kid. I'll sport my personalized one until after the draft.

Lifelong Vandy fan just checking in to tell all you Leinart bashers to get real. What is Carson Palmer doing right now? Who is Chow going to mold? Everybody acts like Cutler was this savior at Vandy...those are people who did not watch the games. Sometimes Cutlers decision making was less like Joe Montana more like Ryan Leaf, and before you start giving crap about the o-line, it was not an issue of timeing or missed routes it was poor decisions and inaccuracy. Jay is great...yeah for Jay, but Jay was no Whit Taylor :) Let me remind you that Vandy was 5-6 with losses to MTSU and Kentucky. Jay had alot to do with the performance in those games.
I think Jay will be a decent player, but Leinart is a stud. Take off your Vandy glasses and see. To all of you who want Vince, well I could live with him too.

Lifelong Vandy fan just checking in to tell all you Leinart bashers to get real. What is Carson Palmer doing right now? Who is Chow going to mold? Everybody acts like Cutler was this savior at Vandy...those are people who did not watch the games. Sometimes Cutlers decision making was less like Joe Montana more like Ryan Leaf, and before you start giving crap about the o-line, it was not an issue of timeing or missed routes it was poor decisions and inaccuracy. Jay is great...yeah for Jay, but Jay was no Whit Taylor :) Let me remind you that Vandy was 5-6 with losses to MTSU and Kentucky. Jay had alot to do with the performance in those games.
I think Jay will be a decent player, but Leinart is a stud. Take off your Vandy glasses and see. To all of you who want Vince, well I could live with him too.
Ahhh...finally....someone who agrees with me....

Lifelong Vandy fan just checking in to tell all you Leinart bashers to get real. What is Carson Palmer doing right now? Who is Chow going to mold? Everybody acts like Cutler was this savior at Vandy...those are people who did not watch the games. Sometimes Cutlers decision making was less like Joe Montana more like Ryan Leaf, and before you start giving crap about the o-line, it was not an issue of timeing or missed routes it was poor decisions and inaccuracy. Jay is great...yeah for Jay, but Jay was no Whit Taylor :) Let me remind you that Vandy was 5-6 with losses to MTSU and Kentucky. Jay had alot to do with the performance in those games.
I think Jay will be a decent player, but Leinart is a stud. Take off your Vandy glasses and see. To all of you who want Vince, well I could live with him too.

From one Vandy fan to another, did you sneak a flask into every home game or something? Its not his o-line???? Lets look at this in 11 games last year he was sacked 23 times compared to Leinarts 17 and Youngs 13. he threw 9 interceptions to Youngs 10, he also had more yards per game (279.4) than Young (233.5) . Not to mention more passing yards than Young. Now in saying this I am not making Cutler a better prospect than Young or Leinart I don't believe that is the case at all.(Just remember they had two extra games to play with the conference title and Bowl game) But to say he is only amazing because he performed well on a shotty team is a little demeaning. The guy put up serious numbers against some of the best defenses in the Country. Yes he made some terrible decisions but Leinart made some questionable decisions throughout the year and in the Rose Bowl. If you watched even a few home games this year you would realize that the amazing Earl bennet didn't truly come into the picture until the end of the season. The first few games Erik Davis and Marlon White were dropping on average 3 to 4 passes a game. When your receivers drop that many passes a game you start to lose faith in them. Leinart and Young deservedly are at the top of the QB class but Cutler has just as much of an opportunity to outshine both of them eventually in his career.

of course Cutler took at lot of risks! Look who he played for, he had to. Put him on a good team and surround him with the players ML or VY had and see how well he would have preformed. Now put those QB's on Vandy and see what would have happened to them.
co-sign

I dont see how people do not think Lienhart is the best QB in this draft...I love VY and Cutler, but Lienhart is I think the best of the three. I am going to be happy no matter what we do on draft day.

I heard on mike and mike this morning that the titans brass are pushing the vince young button. to which i think meaning they are probably playing the smoke screen card so the jets dont trade up with the saints and try to get leinart and then the titans scoop him at 3rd but thats just a thought i dont think they will go cutler with this pick to kyle boller, alex smith aaron rodgers outta nowhere kinda guy he is no where near the talent of a young but it doesnt mean he or young will be successful i just think the potential upside is greater with VY and even matt leinart cutler probably wont go top ten.

two of those three (boller and rodgers) are under the tedford curse, and Alex Smith was only 20 last year so its hard to classify him yet as that type of pick

you got me on smith but i think smith will bust like the other guys its usually the sleepers in the mid to late rounds that prosper out of nowhere.

you got me on smith but i think smith will bust like the other guys its usually the sleepers in the mid to late rounds that prosper out of nowhere.

i think thats because they have something to prove to everyone, for example willie parker, now i dont think he did that great all year, but when he finally got in (against us) he had somewhere in the 200 yard rushing area and that was just an explosive game, if any of u watched it at home like i did the announcers were going crazy over him

I dont see how people do not think Lienhart is the best QB in this draft...

I don't see how people do

he had a great coach
played in a great system
had an All-American cast
and was given every opportunity to succeed

BUT, after what I witnessed in the Rose Bowl, I have a slight idead that he's gonna struggle against pro defenses - and he just doesn't have enough zip on the ball

29 - 40 - 365 yards and a TD.

Don't know how you picked that up. I know his TD pass was a nice floater.

I think Jay will be a decent player, but Leinart is a stud. Take off your Vandy glasses and see. To all of you who want Vince, well I could live with him too.
I could live with Matt Leinart. I'd be fine with that.

i guess we'll know in three weeks who they'll take you know one way or the other the titans will get the mcnair contract reworked this is just grandstanding by both sides then they pick up whomever they pickup and not this year and unless the team isnt doing well next year not next year will this years draft choice start it is far fetched to think that we are going to draft a guy let him sit half this year start him then give him the team next year its not going to happen and like I said mac will be there and look for volek to be a draft day trade like a 3rd-6th rounder for him.

I could live with Matt Leinart. I'd be fine with that.
but...you'd love you some Vince, right?????:brow:

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I don't see how people do

he had a great coach
played in a great system
had an All-American cast
and was given every opportunity to succeed

BUT, after what I witnessed in the Rose Bowl, I have a slight idead that he's gonna struggle against pro defenses - and he just doesn't have enough zip on the ball
..........................Nah, he has no zip on the ball at all. Hes a bum, all he did was hand the ball off the Bush & White and ate bon-bons in the backfield while they ran for TDs. If you saw the Notre Dame/USC game last year,thats all you needed to see out of ML....Not to mention the kid could have been a #1 pick in the draft last year but decided to come back for one more year,NOT MANY 20 year olds would pass up on that oppertunity.....Point being, I think the kids got alot of moxy,deteramation,guts and heart(Also the physical tools to be star in this league and would be under his first Offensive coordinator in Chow)...that being said I would also say if ML is taken @2 that we take Ferguson @ #3.... STUD OT 4 the next 12 years sounds ok W/me......Hollla!!!!