http://www.nashvillecitypaper.com/index.cfm?section=7&screen=news&news_id=49208

A fairly ringing endorsement, and he makes some good points. If we had done better and were picking somewhere in the 8-12 range, I'd be a lot more excited about him.

Right. We should automatically take the 2nd or 3rd best QB because we are not picking later? The bottom line is IF Cutler is the best of the three, that is the one that can be the best QB of the bunch over his career he is the guy you take. Not Leinart or Young. Take Cutler.

I like how Jaws basically puts Kiper in his place.

Anyone who puts down Kiper earns a plus in my book :thumb:

He didn't even have the cajones to say that the other QBs might not be very good. At least kiper takes something of a stand that he thinks lienart and young are a cut above. To say that you think all three will be good is gutless because we know that is never true.

So jaws put kiper in his place? How? Jaws has a full time espn job, he has an ownership interest in an arena team. Where did he get the time to watch 100 hours of film? Was he at the workouts? Did he personally interview all three guys? Extensively?

If being an old former QB makes you a draft expert then why don't the titans hire every single living hall of fame QB for their consensus advice?

He didn't even have the cajones to say that the other QBs might not be very good.


What if you actually think all 3 might be good? It's not a given that 1 or 2 of them HAVE to be bust.


So jaws put kiper in his place? How? Jaws has a full time espn job, he has an ownership interest in an arena team. Where did he get the time to watch 100 hours of film? Was he at the workouts? Did he personally interview all three guys? Extensively?


Well being a part owner of an AFL team doesn't eat up a whole lot of time, so he has probably just as much time as Kiper. I mean, his job is football after all. I could understand your point if he was the ESPN weatherman, but he's not.

http://www.nashvillecitypaper.com/index.cfm?section=7&screen=news&news_id=49208

A fairly ringing endorsement, and he makes some good points. If we had done better and were picking somewhere in the 8-12 range, I'd be a lot more excited about him.
welll ya if thats where we were picking thats who we would all be thinking about getting, but we are at #3 so i say we go with vince because in 2 or 3 years hes going to be a lot better qb than leinart is, garuntee it

Right. We should automatically take the 2nd or 3rd best QB because we are not picking later? The bottom line is IF Cutler is the best of the three, that is the one that can be the best QB of the bunch over his career he is the guy you take. Not Leinart or Young. Take Cutler.

I like how Jaws basically puts Kiper in his place.


Didn't intend to imply that it made me support Cutler, but it would make me feel better if it was looking like we were in a place to draft him. I did think he made some decent points about Cutler making plays in the same way he will be required to in the NFL, while Young and Leinart may have had more room for error.

Definitely enjoyed the smack on Kiper too.

I think I'm with Kiper on this one. I respect Jaws point though...the cold hard truth is neither of these guys knows who will be successful on the next level.

I just want to know who Hodgie likes... :brow:

I think we all know who the real MO-Bile quarterback is...

ot: :ha: @ ddc ... Peyton manning is a WOMAN !!! nice.

Out of all of the so-called experts, I value Jaws' opinion the most. Especially when it comes to qb's.

i wonder what Jimmy the Greek thinks....

Jaws is full of himself and I don't take seriously anything he says because he thinks he is infallible and doesn't make a mistake.

ya thats funny too because he only got like 2 of the predictions right last year hahaa

the blueprint for the super bowl... :ha:

Jaws is full of himself and I don't take seriously anything he says because he thinks he is infallible and doesn't make a mistake.

Wow, if you exclude the first word, you have an accurate description of Kiper... I wonder if it's an ESPN thing...

If I'm choosing a QB and I have only two opinions to base my decision on, Jaws and Kiper, I'd go with Jaws without a doubt. Any other postions might be different but I respect Jaws understanding of the QB position.

By the way Jaws isn't in Kiper's league when it comes to being arrogant.

The latest rumor (from some scouting web site) is that the Jets have bumped Cutler ahead of Leinart for no other reason than they don't want to deal with Leinart's past injuries.

Where the heck does this past injuries rumor keep coming from?

I asked about it a month ago and no one gave an answer. So once again, WHAT past injuries? My (limited) understanding was that he's had two minor offseason surgeries, which aren't particularly risky or bad. The kind of clean-up that a lot of players have in the offseason. Also, he's clearly not playing injured, or at least it's not effecting him.

Nothing new, but...Leinart had rotator cuff surgury in 1998 on his passing arm in high school and arthroscopic surgury to address tendonitis in his left elbow before spring practice in 2005... and if you are the Jets, who just dealt with a serious injury to their qb, and you have narrowed it down to Cutler or Leinart, it makes logical sense you stray to the healthier player. The leinart workout will mean a lot to the jets. Since I think they see him last. And papers will have something to say.

Leinart's injuries are not runour. He had major shoulder surgery in high school and surgery on his elbow last year. He also hurt his groin doing ballroom dancing. Considering Leinart will not have the equivalent of an all-pro OL in the NFL there should be concerns about his ability to stay healthy once he starts taking hits.

Interesting trivia question:
Who holds the NCAA record for lowest % passes thrown for an interception at 1.3% (minimum 600 passes)?
Hint, this player ended his college career with 57 TDs and only 12 ints.
He played from 1997-1999.

Ok, didn't know about the shoulder surgery, but come on, that was high school! Is there ANY sign that he's still affected by that 7 year old injury? The tendonitis surgery on his left elbow... 1. Maybe I've missed it, is he a lefty? 2. Didn't seem to effect him last year. The groin? Come on, I walked into a parking meter and hurt my groin, not a big deal (except at the moment). Of course there have to be concerns, but that doesn't seem to spell "injury prone" to me.

If anything, he's shown the ability to come back from injury, maybe it's a positive for him!

Interesting trivia question:
Who holds the NCAA record for lowest % passes thrown for an interception at 1.3% (minimum 600 passes)?
Hint, this player ended his college career with 57 TDs and only 12 ints.
He played from 1997-1999.

Chad Pennington??? Just throwin an answer out there.

If anything, he's shown the ability to come back from injury, maybe it's a positive for him!
you wonder where I get this Matt Leinart is a fragile freddy stuff?:winker:
just stirrin' the pot. doin' my job. :ha:

The answer to the trivia question of who has the lowest career int % in his college career is Volek.

The issue on Leinart is simply that those injuries, minor or major tend to be bigger issues in the big leagues. Alot of guys who were relatively healthy in college have troubles with injuries in the NFL and shoulder and elbow injuries to a throwing arm are not a good thing and even though they were years ago doesn't mean they can't be a problem later on after some big hits.
I'm not sure I want a guy who pulls a groin doing ballroom dancing anyway.

Interesting trivia question:
Who holds the NCAA record for lowest % passes thrown for an interception at 1.3% (minimum 600 passes)?
Hint, this player ended his college career with 57 TDs and only 12 ints.
He played from 1997-1999.

With that on his resume we might get a 3rd rounder for him after all !!!!!

Ok, didn't know about the shoulder surgery, but come on, that was high school! Is there ANY sign that he's still affected by that 7 year old injury? The tendonitis surgery on his left elbow... 1. Maybe I've missed it, is he a lefty? 2. Didn't seem to effect him last year. The groin? Come on, I walked into a parking meter and hurt my groin, not a big deal (except at the moment). Of course there have to be concerns, but that doesn't seem to spell "injury prone" to me.

It said he injured his groin, not that he was kicked in the balls! There's a difference. Groin injuries are muscle tears, kicks to the balls are a rude awakening!

i wonder what Jimmy the Greek thinks....

haha... I don't know, but it would probably have something to do with slave plantation breeding techniques and their affect on the quarterback position.

I was SO CLOSE. :(

I don't even know where he played college at. (I guess that makes me a horrible fan). BTW, what does that have to do with the topic? I guessed Pennington because we were talking about the Jets. I assumed the question had something to do with the topic.

So let that be a lesson to all the kiddies at home. If you assume, you make an AS* out of U and ME. Lol, just had to throw that one in there.

I was SO CLOSE. :(

I don't even know where he played college at. (I guess that makes me a horrible fan). BTW, what does that have to do with the topic? I guessed Pennington because we were talking about the Jets. I assumed the question had something to do with the topic.

So let that be a lesson to all the kiddies at home. If you assume, you make an AS* out of U and ME. Lol, just had to throw that one in there.
i dont want to make an as* out of u tho, ur my friend

Everybody loves Cutler (http://www.patriotsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?s=&threadid=16285)

Shouldn't that be "Everybody loves Jay(mond)"...

Unless this is 1983 and you have your pick of elway, kelly or marino you have to assume someone will be a failure. The odds say that. In 1999 the top 3 picks were QBs. Couch, mcnabb and akili smith. Those who said that all three would be great look stupid now. How is this year that different? The bust factor is 50% normallly. Bledsoe-mirer, both great? Not even one is great. Manning-leaf? Mcnair-collins?

Unless this is 1983 and you have your pick of elway, kelly or marino you have to assume someone will be a failure. The odds say that.

Yes, but it's not a certainty, there is still a chance that all 3 become superstars. It's very small but it could happen. The problem is you can't predict who the bust will be (certainly no one has been able to so far), so you might as well assume they're all going to be great, and just pick the one you like the most.

Yes, but it's not a certainty, there is still a chance that all 3 become superstars.
You forget who you are talking too.:lol3:

I think 2 of 3 will make the grade. Cause first you have basically a two time Heisman winner in Leiart who made the championship game twice. This is damn good stuff. Cause not only does he win. He has the numbers. Then to top it off, you have a guy in Vince Young who single handeldy beat the two best players in all of college b y imself. He didn't even need the other 5o players. So you gotta say god damn to that. Cutler is the bust here. He's nobody. 2 of 3 make it.

Cutler's chances are as good as the others IMO. Leinart is overated and if he played on a team like Vandy he wouldn't even be in the 1st round. VY is the closest to being a dominating college QB who might not be able to translate his game at the next level although he potentially has a huge upside.

Cutler is the bust here. He's nobody. 2 of 3 make it.


:barf:

I wouldn't say everyone loves Cutler. Sporting News has Cutler as the #4 QB behind Whitehurst.

If you look hard enough you can find negatives about all three of these guys by the "experts".

Even in 1983 the ultimate year for hall of fame QBs(three elway, kelly marino) there was one bust, todd blackledge and first rd picks tony eason and pat ryan were only average players.

In short even in that ultimate year to draft a QB in the first rd you still had a 50% chance of not getting a star. No way you can assume that all three will be stars there is simply too much talent at the top of this draft outside those QBs.

I just saw 2 guys on cold pizza predict the first rd and they had cutler going 7th to the raiders and lienart going 10th to the cards. They had young going to us. If we were drafting 7th or 10th we could afford to just take whatever QB falls to us but at 3rd we darn well better get the right guy.

Even in 1983 the ultimate year for hall of fame QBs(three elway, kelly marino) there was one bust, todd blackledge and first rd picks tony eason and pat ryan.....Ken O'Brien

:kiss:

Everybody loves Cutler (http://www.patriotsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?s=&threadid=16285)
not me...:))

not me...:))
Will we get a new name for you tomorrow around 11:45 or so?

Will we get a new name for you tomorrow around 11:45 or so?
You know I've thought about that....I guess it just depends on who we draft....maybe: didntdraftcutler or..... damnwhycutler....or who knows? :ha:

Where the heck does this past injuries rumor keep coming from?

I asked about it a month ago and no one gave an answer.
That's not true. Soxcat did and I pointed it out to you, It's out there somewhere.

you wonder where I get this Matt Leinart is a fragile freddy stuff?:winker:
just stirrin' the pot. doin' my job. :ha:

That's not true. Soxcat did and I pointed it out to you, It's out there somewhere.
http://www.gotitans.com/goForum/showthread.php?p=159121&highlight=fragile+freddy#post159121
http://www.gotitans.com/goForum/showthread.php?p=159019&highlight=fragile+freddy#post159019
http://www.gotitans.com/goForum/showthread.php?p=159481&highlight=fragile+freddy#post159481
http://www.gotitans.com/goForum/showthread.php?p=162963&highlight=fragile+freddy#post162963