As of Monday, the Texans had not had any contract discussions with Bush and his representatives. None.

Yet the Texans have approached North Carolina State defensive end Mario Williams, trying to see if he would be receptive to discussing a deal.

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As a person in the Bush camp said Monday, "Do I have a feeling that Reggie is going to Houston? No, I have a feeling that he's not."


http://nfl.com/nflnetwork/story/9381854

Oh my!!!

cough... cough...

Apropos the picture, where there's smoke, there's fire :winker:

doesn't surprise me that the Texans would take someone else instead of Bush. I have felt all along they didn't need a QB or a RB. I did think they would trade down and take the brick

that would have been the smart long term solution. So I was positive the Cows would not do that.

well they dot really need a new rb because dominik davis still has over 1,000 yard season behind that terrible line, i remember he broke a big one on us when we played them at home this season

Well, who knows if it means anything, but they'd be smart to do whatever they need to do to trade down...

I still don't think we will have a shot a reggie. If he falls to number two the Jets have the fire power to trade up and grab him easily there.

I suspect they take Reggie then shop him the way the Chargers did Manning.

I suspect they take Reggie then shop him the way the Chargers did Manning.

I have thought of that too. That is what will happen in all likelyness.

The thinking here, if it is true, is that the Texans believe they have Denver's offensive line and their offensive scheme in place. And that you can pretty much run anyone in it. Therefor Bush becomes irrelevant. Especially when you have Domanick Davis. In my opinion the logic fails tho'. Because Denver didn't win the AFC, except when they had the big name stars in John Elway and Terrell Davis, and Shannon Sharpe. They had some nice seasons, but they didn't win anything. So I don't believe the logic that you can just plug anyone back there.

You gotta believe the addition of Moulds has influenced the thinking as well. They would have been one dimensional without him. Basically using Andre and some unknown #4 as a #2 WR. But with Moulds, they essentially have two #1's out there. They have awesome potential thru the air. So even less need for Bush.

All that said. I would still take Bush. I think it's a big mistake not to take him.

I suspect they take Reggie then shop him the way the Chargers did Manning.

If a team wants Bush, they would be a lot better off trading for the number one pick, not trading for the player. The rookie pool of the salary cap makes things complicated. The Giants had a huge problem after trading for Manning, because they had to had to pay the number 1 pick with number 4 cap room. The Chargers also had a problem because Rivers wanted more money since the Chargers had number 1 cap room, even though Rivers was the number 4 pick.

Honestly, I think Brick would fill a greater need for the Texans. Matter of fact, I would mind taking Brick...he's the safest bet in this draft...I think.

http://www.houstonprofootball.com/

Word is that Texans have moved Chester Pitts back to LG and Steve McKinney to RG. Zach Wiegert is at RT, Seth Wand at LT, and Mike Flanagan at Center. Mike Sherman is working with Seth Wand at the offseason workouts. "There's a good chance that we may not address (offensive line) in the first round," general manager Charley Casserly said. "We might address it in another round. With the schemes that we're bringing in, I think we're going to be much improved with the players we have."

The thinking here, if it is true, is that the Texans believe they have Denver's offensive line and their offensive scheme in place. And that you can pretty much run anyone in it. Therefor Bush becomes irrelevant. Especially when you have Domanick Davis. In my opinion the logic fails tho'. Because Denver didn't win the AFC, except when they had the big name stars in John Elway and Terrell Davis, and Shannon Sharpe. They had some nice seasons, but they didn't win anything. So I don't believe the logic that you can just plug anyone back there.

You gotta believe the addition of Moulds has influenced the thinking as well. They would have been one dimensional without him. Basically using Andre and some unknown #4 as a #2 WR. But with Moulds, they essentially have two #1's out there. They have awesome potential thru the air. So even less need for Bush.

All that said. I would still take Bush. I think it's a big mistake not to take him.


I really disagree with this. I think the theory here is that they have a pretty darn good back in DD, who can do a decent job even with their HORRIBLE line. Because DD is a pretty good RB, and they've got money invested in him, they don't need Bush. Also, if they don't fix their line, they won't get anything better out of him.

I'm not sure if I shouldn't trust that quote about not messing with the Oline, or if it's just stupidity on their part. If they weren't number one, they would be the most guaranteed pick in the draft to take D'brick. At this point, don't trust anything teams say about who they'll address...

Houston are moving to a 4-3, and they don't really have any tailor made ends. Guys like Babin and Peek are too undersized and the rest of their old 3-4 lineman (Travis Johnson, Robaire Smith etc) are natural ends either.

Picking a top draw DE fills the biggest need, but man, the Texans fans are gonna be pissed if they don't draft Bush.......

ya if i was their fans i would be mad too, he has the potential to break a big run at any moment, and it keeps the people on the edge of their seats, even if the team is not doing great, he could still bring in crowds because of his runs, thats the reason that i liked watching USC some this season

cough... cough...

Jeff I dont understand the need for a smokescreen here. I would suspect more teams would be interested in trading up for Bush than Williams, and the only reason Houston would need to throw a smokescreen would be to try and get better trade offers. But showing more interest in Williams would only lessen their offers I would think. Unless, a lot of teams have Williams as the top player on their board, but I dont think thats the case. Plus, Williams or trading down and taking Ferguson really make just as much sense for Houstons needs. Not saying they wont end up taking Bush, but I have to think they are strongly considering Williams at this point.

Jeff I dont understand the need for a smokescreen here.
They are negotiating contracts with these guys. Maybe they think they can get some kind of edge by taking this slow instead of making it look like he is the clear choice -- trying to build a little leverage.

I would suspect more teams would be interested in trading up for Bush than Williams, and the only reason Houston would need to throw a smokescreen would be to try and get better trade offers.
That too.

Not saying they wont end up taking Bush, but I have to think they are strongly considering Williams at this point.
I would be totally shocked but we are talking about the cows.

They are negotiating contracts with these guys. Maybe they think they can get some kind of edge by taking this slow instead of making it look like he is the clear choice -- trying to build a little leverage.


That too.


I would be totally shocked but we are talking about the cows.


But I dont see them gaining any trade leverage by throwing out the idea that you might take Williams. I dont see nearly as many teams willing to trade up for Williams as they would be for Bush. Unless, they think that the saints would take Williams before Bush, but thats a pretty big risk to even trade down one spot if they do want Bush.

And we are talking about the cows, but honestly, it makes just as much sense to me to take Williams or Ferguson for them, as Davis really is a nice RB, especially if they can improve their line. Thats a team with a lot of needs, but RB is a place where they are actually ok. But, it doesnt make sense to take Williams or Ferguson at one, if they really do want Williams they should definately try to trade down, but they only team I could really see them trading with would be the saints. If the Jets trade up then the saints could easily snag Williams at two. Ill say this though, a few months ago the top 3 picks looked to be locked in, but since then this draft has gotten a lot less predictable and interesting, thats for sure.

But I dont see them gaining any trade leverage by throwing out the idea that you might take Williams. I dont see nearly as many teams willing to trade up for Williams as they would be for Bush. Unless, they think that the saints would take Williams before Bush, but thats a pretty big risk to even trade down one spot if they do want Bush.

And we are talking about the cows, but honestly, it makes just as much sense to me to take Williams or Ferguson for them, as Davis really is a nice RB, especially if they can improve their line. Thats a team with a lot of needs, but RB is a place where they are actually ok. But, it doesnt make sense to take Williams or Ferguson at one, if they really do want Williams they should definately try to trade down, but they only team I could really see them trading with would be the saints. If the Jets trade up then the saints could easily snag Williams at two. Ill say this though, a few months ago the top 3 picks looked to be locked in, but since then this draft has gotten a lot less predictable and interesting, thats for sure.
since they have a good rb in dominik davis, they should trade down to the jets for example cause they can still snag ferguson at #4 which would help improve their line a lot

since they have a good rb in dominik davis, they should trade down to the jets for example cause they can still snag ferguson at #4 which would help improve their line a lot

I dont necessarily disagree but the Jets arent going to trade up to one (if they want Bush that is) if they think the Texans might take WIlliams. The Jets would try to swap with the saints. I think the Texans end up taking Bush, but I also think it makes sense to take Williams or Ferguson considering their needs. Mel Kiper was just saying that if Williams had been a bit more consistent last year that he would be the top player on everybodys board. So I have to think that their is some seriousness to the Texans at least having a strong interest in Williams, they might not go that way, but I would think they are at least strongly considering it.

I would love to be in the war room if Bush fell to the Titans. Reese would be doing carwheels, Chow would be doing the Macreena, and Fisher would be running circles around the war room table

but i dont know if we would take him tho, because we have two capable backs, and i think bush is the best and will be much better, but we really must get vince because after what happened to McNair were screwed and we cant be one dimensional on the ground

I would love to be in the war room if Bush fell to the Titans. Reese would be doing carwheels, Chow would be doing the Macreena, and Fisher would be running circles around the war room table

It would be interesting if he fell to us, though I dont see it happening. Of course, with the McNair situation, Im not sure we arent in a position to where we have to take a QB. So Im not positive we would even take Bush if he fell to us, unless they feel they can get the Mcnair situation worked out.

Reese has always talked big on "best player available" - getting value out of a pick this high. He's also said it's very hard to pass up a franchise quarterback...

pfft franchise QB my *****, none are any more certain then Omar Jacobs is.

Reggie to Tennessee.

Omar Jacobs to Tennessee.

Gunny to Tennessee.

But I dont see them gaining any trade leverage by throwing out the idea that you might take Williams.
Would the Cows have any leverage with Bush if they went to only to him and told him he was the pick?

I dont see nearly as many teams willing to trade up for Williams as they would be for Bush.
I agree. But they may also have a team interested in making a trade up for Bush already. If that is the case, they need to have alternatives ready.

Gunny to Tennessee.
And a locker next to Reynaldo Hill

and suddenly Reynaldo demands a trade.

I agree. But they may also have a team interested in making a trade up for Bush already. If that is the case, they need to have alternatives ready.

I maybe missing something here, but if a team wants to trade up for Williams, that means Houston misses out on Bush - which obviously wouldn't bother them, else they wouldn't trade out.

If a team trades up for Bush, Houston run a massive risk of missing out on Williams if that is who they want.

and suddenly Reynaldo demands a trade.



I maybe missing something here, but if a team wants to trade up for Williams, that means Houston misses out on Bush - which obviously wouldn't bother them, else they wouldn't trade out.

If a team trades up for Bush, Houston run a massive risk of missing out on Williams if that is who they want.
but thats a risk that u always take when u trade down

Would the Cows have any leverage with Bush if they went to only to him and told him he was the pick?


I agree. But they may also have a team interested in making a trade up for Bush already. If that is the case, they need to have alternatives ready.

Unless that team is the saints then there is no guarantee they get Williams. If that is who they want then they better take him at one because there is a really good chance he doesnt fall past 2, so Williams cant really be considered a probable alternative.

Of course, they could secretly want Ferguson and are willing to trade down to take him. But I cant see them passing on both Bush and WIlliams.

So it now looks like Mario Williams will be the Number 1 Pick
Or imagine D'Brick at Number 1

So it now looks like Mario Williams will be the Number 1 Pick
Or imagine D'Brick at Number 1

possibly (hopefully)

I'd say now it looks like there are doubts that Bush will be the number one pick. I think he's still the first pick.

there's always doubts about the #1 pick.

I will shave my head if the pick isn't Bush.

I think the Texans take Mario number 1. NO will trade down to 5 and take Hawk. GB takes Bush. Who knows what Reese is thinking. I think we end up with Young. I'm still holding out hope that we pick D'Brick though !

I think the Texans take Mario number 1.

I don't think the Texans will take Mario, switching to a 4-3 they signed Anthony Weaver and Jason Babin to play on the other side. Considering that I'm thinking it's D'Brick or Bush if they can't trade down (which I'm betting they're almost desperate to do).

I think the Texans take Mario number 1. NO will trade down to 5 and take Hawk. GB takes Bush. Who knows what Reese is thinking. I think we end up with Young. I'm still holding out hope that we pick D'Brick though !

I really think that if Bush is there for us, we take him.

I think the Texans take Mario number 1. NO will trade down to 5 and take Hawk. GB takes Bush. Who knows what Reese is thinking. I think we end up with Young. I'm still holding out hope that we pick D'Brick though !
y would we take d'brick, we need a qb much more than we need an offensive lineman, and d'brick isnt the best ot to come out in the past few years from what i hear

I really think that if Bush is there for us, we take him.
If we don't, I may go Pacman on the town and end up on "America's Most Wanted".

The Texans GM was on the NFL Network's draft preview a few nights ago. They kept asking him why he would pass on the best player in years and he would try to defend Mario Williams. He even went as far to say that if Bush wasn't there, everyone would have Williams as the number 1 pick. It was kind of funny, because they really had him backed against the wall. They even asked him how he'd feel to be the guy that passed on Michael Jordan.

Personally, I'm hoping they pass on Reggie, and he falls to 3. Really, I prefer power football (aka Eddie George) but I could make an exception for Reggie. :)) We could then take our pick of Jacobs, Croyle, Whitehurst or Clemens in the second.

If we don't, I may go Pacman on the town and end up on "America's Most Wanted".

I'll be on Australia's Most Wanted.

The Texans GM was on the NFL Network's draft preview a few nights ago. They kept asking him why he would pass on the best player in years and he would try to defend Mario Williams. He even went as far to say that if Bush wasn't there, everyone would have Williams as the number 1 pick. It was kind of funny, because they really had him backed against the wall. They even asked him how he'd feel to be the guy that passed on Michael Jordan.

Personally, I'm hoping they pass on Reggie, and he falls to 3. Really, I prefer power football (aka Eddie George) but I could make an exception for Reggie. :)) We could then take our pick of Jacobs, Croyle, Whitehurst or Clemens in the second.
from what i understand croyle is suppossed to be pretty good

Everyone 'knows' that Bush is the best player in the draft.

HOWEVER, some teams have Mario Williams as the best player in the draft.

Therefore, the Texans should act like they're interested even if they aren't. Everyone already knows they are interested in Bush. But if you're one of the teams that thinks Williams is the best player and you know they are negotiating with him, you'd have to at least CONSIDER trading up.

The Texans want a similar trade to the Ricky Williams deal....a ridiculous deal so they will use every trick in the book to draw interest and show their interest in the top players. Considering that no one has made them even a decent offer when it's assumed they'll take Bush, they may as well see if anyone comes a calling after seeing their interest in Williams who some compare to a young Reggie White.

Gut

I really think that if Bush is there for us, we take him.

In a heartbeat, but like I said... I think that GB will trade up with NO to get him if the Texans pass on him.

I would go crazy if we passed on Bush. I still think that DeAngelo is just a small notch below him though ! But hey, I go to Memphis so I might be biased and can't see it.

y would we take d'brick, we need a qb much more than we need an offensive lineman, and d'brick isnt the best ot to come out in the past few years from what i hear

Blocking is a much larger issue than qb I think. We might have went a long way towards fixing that with Mawae, but D'Brick is just dominating. We can always nab Omar Jacobs in the 2nd who has just as good of measurables as any qb in this draft and near the top in production as well...

What happened to all those people saying Volek was the heir to McNair? If he wasn't gonna be the heir, why wasn't he traded before the last draft when his stock was high?

Gut

In a heartbeat, but like I said... I think that GB will trade up with NO to get him if the Texans pass on him.

yeah i misread what you wrote then.