DE Mario Williams went from a late 1st round selection to being the #1 pick overall, and this was in a matter of 1 1/2 to 2 weeks before the draft. Am i the only one that sees something wrong with this, a few scouts went to see some of the nc state games this year and they said that they wouldnt have even noticed him if they werent told to watch him. And it has been said that he is a very inconsistent player... the texans better hope that this isnt true what do u guys think?

While there are worries about him, he's been a top ten pick for many many weeks. He didn't shoot up nearly that quickly.

He's been a top 5 pick forever. Even before the College Football season started he was said to have the potential to be a top 10 pick. He was the #1 DE prospect from the start and it wasn't ever close, well Kiwi had a little momentum for a while, but he always had legitimate flaws, people just didn't bring them up.

Busts are usually made from big workouts. Mario Williams had a big work out but so did Vernon Davis and I really can't see a bust from him (and if he is, its probably due to Alex Smith).

i dont think that there is much of a chance for vernon davis to be a bust, hes a huge guy and hes as fast as a wr, thats very very dangerous

I can't find the link but I seen it on ESPN earlier that in 3 games against I-AA opposition he had no sacks. Thats quite diabolical against that kind of opposition.

I don't believe Vernon will be a bust, I was just noting how he went from 1st round to top-10 in run lasting 4.38 seconds.

I'd never heard of Mario until he was brought up on this board a couple of months ago.

BUST

If Mario isn't at least as good as Peppers he will be considered a disappointment for where he was drafted and what he is getting paid.

I see so much ignorance about this guy. His stats were better in 2005 than julius pepper's stats in his last season. Peppers had 4 fewer sacks than williams. He is not just a workout guy he was an exellent player. Streaky? Sure with the pass rush he may totally dominate 5 games a year and just be a good run stopper in the other 11. He's not a speed rusher he is 300 lbs!

If mario disappoints it will be the way haynesworth has disappointed. Maybe he isn't consistent enough. Maybe injury keeps him from dominating the way he should or maybe there are stamina issues.

I think mario is going to be a good player no matter what. We'll see if he can be a dominant player. The texans probably drafted a fine player but we drafted a future hall of fame QB.

RollTide thats the problem with the Texans taking Williams. He may be a "fine" player but people consider Bush to be the best prospect out of college this decade. Once a decade prospect. I've heard people talk about Mario in the same context but thats simply not true- Julius Peppers came out in 2002.

Edit: found marios stats:

Julius Peppers vs Mario Williams (both 3 year starters)

TK AST TOT SCK FR INT
63 17 80 10 0 3
64 20 84 15 1 1
50 12 62 6 1 1

177 49 226 31 2 5

32 30 62 14.5 1 0
20 20 40 7 0 0
34 22 56 5 1 0

86 72 158 26.5 2 0

Top is Julius Peppers. Looking at career totals there really is no comparison. Julius dominated tackles got more sacks and would seem to have good ball skills with his 5 ints. You could say Mario was on a dominant d-line so didn't have to make the catches or all the tackles but 68 is a big drop off and Julius had Ryan Sims (who went 6th overall that year). Theres also the consideration that 73% of Julius' tackles were solo in comparison to Marios' 61%.

Coming out Julius Peppers was 6'6, 283lbs a 40 time of 4.68 with a 39" vertical compared to Mario at 6'7, 295lbs with a 40 time of 4.66 with a 40" vertical.

The stats seem to indicate that Mario Williams just isn't the prospect Julius Peppers was when he came out. Both had 1st round DTs inside them..

Personally Williams shouldn't have been the 1# pick. Williams will be a fine player, maybe a great player but he won't change the Texans offense. A runningback, or a quarterback would changed their future prospects.

A DE can't change the out come of a game on every play, a quarterback can change the outcome of the game on EVERY snap he takes, because he has the ball, and he's in control.

Mario has never been a projected 1st rounder. He was projected top 10 since the beginning of the season. Thats one reason I didn't want him, because in the beginning of the college season everyone said he could be a possibly top 5 pick that looks like Julius Peppers, and he never showed that to me.

By all accounts, running backs don't win championships. Quarterbacks don't win championships. Defenses win championships. What's the most important aspect of a defense? Stopping the run and rushing the passer. Having a defender who can do both is numero uno nowadays and that is what the Texans realized. Is Mario that type of player? Stay tuned, but you can't argue with the Texans' logic.

He will be considered a "Bust" almost no matter what he does. He has to be Lawrence Taylor, Reggie White and Peppers rolled into one. Mario, will unfairly be remembered as the Sam Bowie of football. He must have a better career than Vince and Reggie to not be considered a bust.

If the Texans' defense is in the top 15 for the next 10 years, it was a pick well spent in my book.

William's team didn't win many games and they had one of the most dominant defensive lines. Just shows that the defense doesn't matter if you don't have an offense.

I have a feeling it won't Titans2008........................................ ...

Reggie Bush was more than a running back. He could have been a #1 WR in this league, no doubt. 6'0, 200lbs with a 40" vertical and some of the best hands in this draft? Easily.

Reggie has better hands than LaDainian and is as good a runner. Would you seriously pass up LaDainian Tomlinson for someone lesser than Julius Peppers. For that kind of pick I want Julius or more, not less.

I can see the Texans needing a DE more than a rb, so this can only be seen as a need pick to me, not BPA. Bush was better without a doubt to me.

Mario had his moments, but way too inconsistent. That has to be a huge question mark....but the potential won out I guess. But it will be lots o egg in Casserly's face if he has a workout warrior bust.

Reggie Bush was more than a running back. He could have been a #1 WR in this league, no doubt. 6'0, 200lbs with a 40" vertical and some of the best hands in this draft? Easily.

Reggie has better hands than LaDainian and is as good a runner. Would you seriously pass up LaDainian Tomlinson for someone lesser than Julius Peppers. For that kind of pick I want Julius or more, not less.

As good as LT has been (probably as good as any running back ever or comparable to this point), he has yet to do anything as far as winning. Julius Peppers, meanwhile, has helped Carolina go deep into the playoffs on several occasions. LT is the person you hear about, but Carolina's defense has been quietly excellent. Which is exactly my point.

Steve Smith

Once a decade prospect. I've heard people talk about Mario in the same context but thats simply not true- Julius Peppers came out in 2002.
The stats seem to indicate that Mario Williams just isn't the prospect Julius Peppers was when he came out. Both had 1st round DTs inside them..

Jevon Kearse - TSN PHOTO
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Dan Pompei
The Sporting News

Jevon Kearse

1. Jevon Kearse, Florida, 6-4, 262: An extremely athletic player who also is a physical specimen. Is a bit raw but could develop into a dominator. Has been compared to Simeon Rice. Played linebacker at Florida, and some pro teams see him as a linebacker because he can cover. But his strength is his speed as a pass rusher. Workout warrior. Some scouts question his instincts.

where does Kearse stack into your fantasy draft rankings?
I see Peppers is above Williams. Where does that leave the Freak?

Crowded decade for a lot of once a decade types.:hmm:

Jevon Kearse - TSN PHOTO
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Dan Pompei
The Sporting News

Jevon Kearse

1. Jevon Kearse, Florida, 6-4, 262: An extremely athletic player who also is a physical specimen. Is a bit raw but could develop into a dominator. Has been compared to Simeon Rice. Played linebacker at Florida, and some pro teams see him as a linebacker because he can cover. But his strength is his speed as a pass rusher. Workout warrior. Some scouts question his instincts.

where does Kearse stack into your fantasy draft rankings?
I see Peppers is above Williams. Where does that leave the Freak?

Crowded decade for a lot of once a decade types.:hmm:
i agree, what about jevon he was suppossed to be amazing, and he was until they started to double team him so that he couldnt do nearly as much

Getting a double team IS doing something...

Jevon would have been a HOF SOLB in a 3-4 scheme. Playing against 330 pound OTs has worn him down IMO.
If you look at Pepper's NFL stats they are impressive but not HOF type numbers IMO. He has about half the number of tackles as KVB had last year and the same number of sacks. IMO Mario has to be even better than that to be worth his draft postion and $.

When did this revelation occur? He blew up the league in 1999. Jevon has simply been worn down over the years and lost his explosiveness. The double teams should have come by mid 1999.

The last two seasons jevon's sack totals have been a modest 7.5 and he still hasn't reached 30 years old yet. He will be 30 in september.

Note that jevon lasted until the 16th pick because some teams saw him much the way they viewed manny lawson in this draft. A possible tweener who is only suitable for some teams. Not true for jevon but probably true for lawson.

he was soo good the first year that we got him, he was a friggen beast, and he was sooo fast

DE Mario Williams went from a late 1st round selection to being the #1 pick overall, and this was in a matter of 1 1/2 to 2 weeks before the draft. Am i the only one that sees something wrong with this, a few scouts went to see some of the nc state games this year and they said that they wouldnt have even noticed him if they werent told to watch him. And it has been said that he is a very inconsistent player... the texans better hope that this isnt true what do u guys think?..........i said this guy has the highest bust potential over at titanscentral over two months ago..................and i really believe it.

I find it hard to believe that someone with his measurables won't be at least above average with NFL coaching behind him. I guess it depends on your definition of a bust.

If he is to be a bust, the Titans would have made the wrong call as well. We had him ranked #2.

Did we really?

Publicly, at least...

That's the way I had it.......

Vince #1, Mario #2, D'Brick #3, I can't think of a scenario where I'd pick Reggie in the first round. Unless I converted him to a WR, and then I'd have to rate him as a WR, and he'd definitely be out of the top ten....

Mario need a manziere?

Mario need a manziere?

The bro'!!

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I had Mario at #4, behind Bush, D'Brick and ''You Know Who''

Why convert Bush into a WR, unless you have an amazing back like Alexander. If we had our QB position sorted and didn't need a young QB, I'll take Bush any day of the week

Publicly, at least...

Yeah, Fisher said in a radio interview that we had Bush ranked #1 on our board and Mario #2.

I had it
Bush
Young
D'Brick
Cutler
Hawk

When it comes down to it, the better athletes usually win out in my opinion over the players with all the stats. I have no problem drafting the potential. In the NBA it really works. And I believe in football, although more mysterious, I believe it works as well. Football plays really come down to who has the better set of athletes. And Mario Williams has a lot of athletic ability. He should dominate.

When it comes down to it, the better athletes usually win out in my opinion over the players with all the stats. I have no problem drafting the potential. In the NBA it really works. And I believe in football, although more mysterious, I believe it works as well. Football plays really come down to who has the better set of athletes. And Mario Williams has a lot of athletic ability. He should dominate.

That seems to be the media point of view.

Let me ask you something- the Steelers and the Patriots. Both are players who draft "steelers" or "patriots" players. They have the right attitude, work ethic, etc. They're smart and can play many system and know many blitzes. What part of the Steelers or Patriots is built around potential or athleticism?

David Givens isn't particular fast or athletic- but he worked in the system because he's smart and he knows what he's doing and works hard at what he does.

Tom Brady knows his system, gets to know his players - does what he's told when he's told.

Tedy Bruschi is an influential player who is always around the ball. Mike Vrabel, etc the list goes on. Ok they have athletic players in Richard Seymour but they're built around work-ethic.

You talk about busts, you're generally talking about athletic guys or injury-prone guys. The injury prones generally can't help it but given their chance and the right health care- they will show you their talents (see KVB).

Athletic guys are the ones with "all this potential". They jump up draft boards but on the field - they don't give a ****. They've got their pay for the day.

LaVar Arrington, Reggie Williams, Charles Rogers, Dewayne Robertson, the list goes on.

Something to think about:
What is Troy Polamalu known for? Him blazing up to the people or always being around the ball? What good is athleticism if you can't read plays..

Edit: I am not saying you don't want guys with athletisicm but if I have pick with a guy who has 30% ath but 70% work ethic or vise-versa - I'm taking the work ethic every time.

Troy Polamalu is a horrible example if you're going for unathletic work-ethic guys. Teddy Bruschi is a fine athlete as well. I think most GM's will go for the best combination of all assets.

That seems to be the media point of view.

What is Troy Polamalu known for? Him blazing up to the people or always being around the ball? What good is athleticism if you can't read plays..

Edit: I am not saying you don't want guys with athletisicm but if I have pick with a guy who has 30% ath but 70% work ethic or vise-versa - I'm taking the work ethic every time.

So you had Leinart over Vince on your card??

So you had Leinart over Vince on your card??

A lot of people did. I'd say the majority of people did.

That seems to be the media point of view.

Let me ask you something- the Steelers and the Patriots. Both are players who draft "steelers" or "patriots" players. They have the right attitude, work ethic, etc. They're smart and can play many system and know many blitzes. What part of the Steelers or Patriots is built around potential or athleticism?

......

Something to think about:
What is Troy Polamalu known for? Him blazing up to the people or always being around the ball? What good is athleticism if you can't read plays..



I agree with what you are saying to a point but we drafted Javon Kearse purely on his athleticism not really knowing how he would handle being a DE in a 4-3 scheme. Your point about Troy Polamalu actually argues against what you are saying. Polamalu raced up the draft boards after his pro day:

Timed at 4.35 in the 40-yard dash … 405-pound bench press … 600-pound squat … 353-pound power clean … 38½-inch vertical jump …

Pitt drafted him because there are not alot of Ss with 4.3 speed.

Ok first things first: I'm not saying ALL athletic guys fail. I am not saying all athletic guys are doomed for failure. I'm saying that it seems to be the athletic guys who fail the most.

Troy Polamalu does have top speed- but he's always around the ball thats his work ethic. If he was a headless chicken he'd just be running around.

I, like everyone, likes potential. You want every player you draft to have potential - it gives them value. For me personally Leinart didn't have a lot of potential - very limited infact. Vince Young was also productive, he has the work ethic. He's just athletic to boot. He isn't based around his speed. He's based around his work-ethic, his leadership skills, etc.

Had Vince Young led Texas to the national championship without his running and purely passing but was the same guy with work ethic and leadership - he'd still be a top prospect (Matt Leinart seems to fit that description actually except with less work ethic).

Matt Leinart seems to fit that description actually except with less work ethic

I'm not disagreeing with you, I'm just wondering where you got the idea that Leinart has less of a work ethic than Young. Is it because he's often seen at A List parties or are you basing it on something else?

So you had Leinart over Vince on your card??
how could they have that leinart sucks

based on what?

Broken Record: People see stuff, others don't- thats the draft. Does stuff change your perception at a certain time. LenDale White was a top-10 pick upto him not working out - yet it was proven, medically, that he was injured. His work-ethic didn't change in that time, his injury limited him and if he had worked out - he'd probably have been a 3rd round pick or later because he's out for the next 6 month.

I just think Leinart wants a media personality as well as on the field. He sees the value (he seems pretty business saavy) and I do think he'll succeed in the NFL, BECAUSE he's in the same fit as USC. He has great receivers, he has a great back they just need an o-line, but I don't think his
work-ethic is his greatest asset. He does enough and he won't cause a gefuffle but thats about it.

In 5 years time and Leinart is starting - the "experts" will be calling us stupid - but Leinart here just wouldn't be able to do what he could do with Arizona. I just hope Young is better than Leinart off his own back - Leinart is a system QB, but he's in the right NFL system so we will see him suceed, IMO.

yeah what he said. i agree. i think

In 5 years time and Leinart is starting - the "experts" will be calling us stupid - but Leinart here just wouldn't be able to do what he could do with Arizona. I just hope Young is better than Leinart off his own back - Leinart is a system QB, but he's in the right NFL system so we will see him suceed, IMO.

I've only watched two USC games..... Last year against Oklahoma, and this years NC....... I don't see anything in his game, that would make people think he's going to be the next Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Troy Aikman, Steve McNair......... no one really. I'm thinking the next Pennington really.

Which really isn't a bad thing, considering the Pennington book isn't closed yet.... but I thought Pennington was a better prospect than Matt... I am surprised that Matt did go in the top 10,Because I didn't think Arizona needed a QB that bad........ I'm not surprised that someone moved up to get Cutler........ to me, that's a smart move. I think he is a better prospect than Matt.....

Vince is definitely the cream of the crop in this draft..... a better prospect than Vick, and McNabb coming out of college, and they went 1 & 2. He's as athletic as McNair, but he's already making the transition to pocket passer..... and boy, did he make a jump between his sophomore & junior season.... on his own.......... it wasn't Mack Brown, or any of the coaches pushing him to be better..... he did that on his own. I doubt anyone has entered the league more coachable than Vince.

based on what?
his 20 yard outs have more hang time than punts.

No one ever drafted has been a better prospect than Michael Vick. He has the best legs and best arm in the league. And he came out after only two seasons. That's a pretty high ceiling.

But Vick is extremely short for a QB, which is one place where Young has a big advantage coming out.

True enough, but still.

At this point in their careers every draft pick is a possible bust. It is easy to find faults of some one elses picks and ignore the problems of your own. I could sit here and say that Vince will never figure out pro defenses because his 6 on the Wonderlick PROVES his brain is thick as a brick. You would argue against my position. It is too early to call any one a bust.

^ I agree there. Anyone could bust and anyone could be a superstar.

But Vince Young isn't anyone. It is his destiny to be the greatest qb ever.

But Vince Young isn't anyone. It is his destiny to be the greatest qb ever.

and Anakin Skywalker was destined to be the greatest Jedi...look what happened.:brow:

At this point in their careers every draft pick is a possible bust. It is easy to find faults of some one elses picks and ignore the problems of your own. I could sit here and say that Vince will never figure out pro defenses because his 6 on the Wonderlick PROVES his brain is thick as a brick. You would argue against my position. It is too early to call any one a bust.

Total agreement, my fine fellow fan.

Now, word is out that RB has a tweaked hammy. Fluke or forecast? Dunno either, but if this is the beginning of things to come....we won't look so 'dumb' to those who couldn't understand this draft.

VY was never considered for the Texans. If you think you got a diamond, good for you. I think you didn't. But I like the one we got. :winker:

At this point in their careers every draft pick is a possible bust. It is easy to find faults of some one elses picks and ignore the problems of your own. I could sit here and say that Vince will never figure out pro defenses because his 6 on the Wonderlick PROVES his brain is thick as a brick. You would argue against my position. It is too early to call any one a bust.


Mario's faults were talked about here before he was ever a Texan.

and Anakin Skywalker was destined to be the greatest Jedi...look what happened.:brow:

no...no...no.........no...no.....

You see, they got that all wrong Qui Con Jin, thought Anakin was going to be the one to restore balance to the force....... but he had no idea how far out of whack the Force was really going to get......

Luke was destined to be the greatest ever.......... if they had only followed the signs. Yoda knew...... he felt his fear........ which led to Darth Vadar....

no...no...no.........no...no.....

You see, they got that all wrong Qui Con Jin, thought Anakin was going to be the one to restore balance to the force....... but he had no idea how far out of whack the Force was really going to get......

Luke was destined to be the greatest ever.......... if they had only followed the signs. Yoda knew...... he felt his fear........ which led to Darth Vadar....
:geek:

How easy it is to get off - topic. However read what some of the SW geeks really think and AS did bring balance...I dunno, i just watch em, i dont analyse them.

some of them are to the finest detail.

We geeks are a bunch of perfectionists... :geek: :ha:

no...no...no.........no...no.....

You see, they got that all wrong Qui Con Jin, thought Anakin was going to be the one to restore balance to the force....... but he had no idea how far out of whack the Force was really going to get......

Luke was destined to be the greatest ever.......... if they had only followed the signs. Yoda knew...... he felt his fear........ which led to Darth Vadar....
damn... I thought I busted out the star wars stuff...http://images.finheaven.com/forums/smilies/vader.gif
how long have you been reading this forum?http://images.finheaven.com/forums/smilies/jedi.gif

Theory 1: Anakin brings balance because the Jedi were trying to be the galaxy police, and that was not their purpose, so by destroying the jedi "order" he balances everything out.

Theory 2: Anakin brings balance because now there are two jedi and two sith

Theory 3: Luke Skywalker brings balance because he ultimately wipes out the Sith and there is no evil

Theory 4: Annakin brings balance because he makes the ultimate sacrifice (give up his life and changes from within) to bring Sideous down himself and balances the "power" of the force. Sideous was too much and we needed less control from darkside.

Theory 5: Annakin learns both sides of the force, and theofor was the only one who could balance it. You have to kill both Sith at one time in order to bring balance (one by one just doesn't work), and the only way to do this, was learn both sides of the force and bring down Sideous from within.

Theory Six: If good and evil mix, we have a gray area, and there must always be a seperation of the two. Humans are good at this. they create a line between. But Annakin greys everything. Therefor luke is the one who helps clear the distinction.

Theory 4: Annakin bring balance because he makes the ultimate sacrifice to bring Sideous himself and balances the "power" of the force. Sideous was too much and we needed less control from darkside.

:ha: we?

Darth PhiSlammaJamma

The blatantly obvious answer to anyone who has seen all 6 movies is that Anakin eventually turns away from the Dark Side and kills off Palpatine, thus destroying the last of the Sith in the end. Destroying the Sith is what brings balance back to the force.

no Starkiller, that is just too easy for the nerds out there.

You forget Gunny, I'm one of them... :ha:

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Neeeeeeeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrddddddddddddd :brow:

:geek:

so by this logic we conclude Mario is the biggest bust of all time.

lovely.

so by this logic we conclude Mario is the biggest bust of all time.

lovely.


And you are one of the biggest blind, no smack talking, haters in the world.

I think you really are a Texan fan. You just front like you like the Colts and Titans.

hmmm, i dont think so he talks smack at the colts board

And you are one of the biggest blind, no smack talking, haters in the world.

I think you really are a Texan fan. You just front like you like the Colts and Titans.
this post was completely useless. you are just bitter that you were owned on the Alex Smith can get some thing. I'm not going there with you here right now. This whole thread is stupid anyways. Mario Williams will be fine. He should be. Understand this... I don't care how many needs you feel like the Texans filled... they made a huge mistake not snapping up Young or Bush... give this draft class five years... you will see that Houston drafting Williams was a mistake... I don't care how much RollTide kool-aide you drink...

There are rumors this thread may be reworked and ultimately released as a major motion picture. Charlie Kaufman is toiling away on the script, Kubrick may come out of retirement to take the helm as director... and hell he's been dead for a couple of years. Stay tuned.

Vince Young has a far greater bust facter than Mario Williams. He wasn't even listed as the top QB on most boards. Mario Williams was listed as a #1 overall on SOMEboards. Y'all reached on Vince far more than we reached on Mario. Vince be be riding the pine behind Billy for a year or more. It will be more if he can't grasp Norm Chows offense. Y'all passed up Leinart, who already new most of the offense to sell jerseys. Smart move.:lol:

Vince Young has a far greater bust facter than Mario Williams. He wasn't even listed as the top QB on most boards. Mario Williams was listed as a #1 overall on SOMEboards. Y'all reached on Vince far more than we reached on Mario. Vince be be riding the pine behind Billy for a year or more. It will be more if he can't grasp Norm Chows offense. Y'all passed up Leinart, who already new most of the offense to sell jerseys. Smart move.:lol:

that is the dumbest thing I ever read.

that is the dumbest thing I ever read.
especially this part...
who already new most of the offense to sell jerseys. Smart move.:drunk:

Vince Young has a far greater bust facter than Mario Williams. He wasn't even listed as the top QB on most boards. Mario Williams was listed as a #1 overall on SOMEboards. Y'all reached on Vince far more than we reached on Mario. Vince be be riding the pine behind Billy for a year or more. It will be more if he can't grasp Norm Chows offense. Y'all passed up Leinart, who already new most of the offense to sell jerseys. Smart move.:lol:Sell jerseys??? Hmm, let's see: Reggie Bush or Mario Williams. Tough one.

At least "y'all" kept Caserly around long enough so that he can take the blame when Williams busts. That'll help.

Vince Young has a far greater bust facter than Mario Williams. He wasn't even listed as the top QB on most boards. Mario Williams was listed as a #1 overall on SOMEboards. Y'all reached on Vince far more than we reached on Mario. Vince be be riding the pine behind Billy for a year or more. It will be more if he can't grasp Norm Chows offense. Y'all passed up Leinart, who already new most of the offense to sell jerseys. Smart move.:lol:

Yea, and I suppose you believe everything that you hear on the net. Obviously, a lot of teams felt the same way we did about Leinart. We'll never know how some other teams truly felt about Williams since you took him at number 1. Who knows, Williams might turn out to be a better pick than Young, but your reasons are still stupid.

but your reasons are still stupid.
merit... the argument has none.

Vince Young does have more bust factor for one reason alone - he's a QB. If he fails he's a backup. He's a career backup or maybe converted to WR, see how he pans out there.

Mario on the other hand if he fails he'll always be given a chance. See the cleveland D-Line. He could be rotated in for certain situations because of his questionable motor.

And if we're talking finance, VYoung has sold the #2 most of jerseys. He has like 2,000 behind Reggie.

Vince Young does have more bust factor for one reason alone - he's a QB. If he fails he's a backup. He's a career backup or maybe converted to WR, see how he pans out there.

Mario on the other hand if he fails he'll always be given a chance. See the cleveland D-Line. He could be rotated in for certain situations because of his questionable motor.

And if we're talking finance, VYoung has sold the #2 most of jerseys. He has like 2,000 behind Reggie.

Don't hate us because we drafted an Pro-Bowler, and yall drafted an Akili Smith at DE.Don't hate our players just hate when we crush yall.:chairwack :fish: oh yeah and the :bs:

Vince Young has a far greater bust facter than Mario Williams. .... Smart move.:lol:

Yea but Vince will still be a better QB than David Carr and Volek is now.

Vince is already a better QB than Carr....................................

regardless of how williams performs, they made a huge mistake not taking bush. davis is hurt now, and he always is. good luck with vernand morency fools

So what we are saying here is that the Texans passed on Bush for Big Bust. Is there a wrong answer here.

I think we're just boasting about the fact we drafted Young, rubbing it in the faces of Texan fans, and saying how a DL isn't worth the 1st overall pick, well that's what I'm thinking anyway.

Vince Young is Mint!!!

Even if mario has a long solid career similar to what kevin carter has done the texan fans will consider him a disappointment. That's the problem with being the top pick.

Showing up every day, playing the run solid and getting 8 sacks a season won't be enough. He is going to have to be a bruce smith, reggie white caliber guy. And even if he is that good that still might not be good enough if young becomes a star.

No way this guy is a bust. He has too many tools for that.

LaVar Arrington had too many tools and he hasn't lit it up. Michael Vick has all the tool and he's still a below-average QB. Jamal Lewis still has all the tools and he just run scared. What good are tools when the hands wielding them aren't motivated.

You can start by telling me your definition of a "bust". Vick and arrington have been to 3 pro bowls each and lewis to one pro bowl in a year in which he ran for over 2000 yards. Is that what you call a bust a 26 year running back who has over 6000 yards rushing? Disappointments? Sure. Underachievers? Sure but they are not busts! I said that mario would not be a bust. A bust is a guy who turns out to be a total waste not a guy who makes pro bowls even if those pro bowls are a little bogus.

If you don't understand the meaning of the word then how can you make an effective argument?

As for vick he doesn't have all the tools. He is only 6 ft tall(5 inches shorter than lienart and young) and isn't the most accurate passer in the world.

Edit, webster's defintion of bust. Noun, complete failure...flop....

When did I call them busts?

LaVar Arrington had too many tools and he hasn't lit it up. Michael Vick has all the tool and he's still a below-average QB. Jamal Lewis still has all the tools and he just run scared.

'hasn't lit it up' - he's overrated aswell
'below-average QB' - he is a below average QB, he is a good RB coming out of the QB slot, though
'he just runs scared' - last year he ran scared. He did nothing, enough for Baltimore to start Chester Taylor.

I wasn't calling them busts, merely dissapoints in recent times.

I was thinking of something on the ****ter the other day however.

Mario Williams is 6'7, 290 lbs or so? EXTREME athletisism, couldn't you pay the big $$$ to move him to LT? It sounds pretty far out but he's got the size and speed. It would mean learning the position and when you want the sacks instantly it never is realistically going to happen, but would it maybe worth training him as a sort of tweener to play tackle..

You don't go using #1 overalls on a developmenetal prospect, I know that - but when do 6'7, 290lbs guys come in with 4.6 times? 4.9 is considered athletic for a tackle..

BUST is the subject of this thread and you responded directly to my comment that mario has too many tools to be a bust. That's what i said. I didn't say that mario has too many tools to not be a stud i said he has too many tools to be a bust, a failure.

That is the contention by some on this board that mario would be a bust. Hello?

i hope he is, so that the texans look like even bigger idiots

Is this still going on? :ha:

http://www.alumni.utah.edu/u-news/january05/images/bovine.jpg

MOO!

who cares about Mario?
we've got Vince Young.
that is all that matters.

http://www.texansbullpen.com/06photogallery/Preseason/2006-05-18-PlayerPractice/Photos/DSC_0228.JPG

http://www.texansbullpen.com/06photogallery/Preseason/2006-05-18-PlayerPractice/Photos/DSC_0292_1.JPG

http://www.texansbullpen.com/06photogallery/Preseason/2006-05-18-PlayerPractice/Photos/DSC_0278_1.JPG

http://www.texansbullpen.com/06photogallery/Preseason/2006-05-18-PlayerPractice/Photos/DSC_0228.JPG

True to the Texan O-Line - no where to be seen - and a DE comes along at his own leisure.

Yea Williams will look very good in practice. Everyone does against the Steer (balless) OL.

Yea Williams will look very good in practice. Everyone does against the steer (emasculated) OL.

the man is built like a beast though

the man is built like a beast though
you mean like a cow?

:ha:
... but seriously... more like a bull... if he heard me say otherwise he would eat me.

I see mario being the kind of player for them that haynesworth has been for us. A guy who does a solid job most of the time, requires a lot of double teams because of his physical presence and every now and then he completely dominates a game. Texan fans will be disappointed because they will expect him to dominate all the time. Albert has been a solid player for us and nobody could argue that he has been a bad draft pick but he also has been a little disappointing because he hasn't been a pro bowl star.

The photo depicts an attempt to bootleg the rookie DE and mario isn't going for it and if it was a real game #6 would get his head kicked in.

A bootleg, you don't block the DE on purpose.:yell2:

:rolleyes:

For all you know it could be an option.

He also got blown up on a basic run, massive hole.

When have the texans ever used an option? Are you telling me they are running the QB off the end with no blocking on an option play? The guy would get killed. I don't think the titans ever ran one option with steve mcnair ever.

Maybe that new #6 guy is an option QB. I think that is #8 however and it really does look like a naked bootleg. Maybe the Texans are letting all defensive line man to have a free shot at Carr to get Carr ready for the season.

My guess is that the option is common in the league gunny played in and he just doesn't realize that it is not used in the nfl because you have these kevin carter or keith bulluck type guys knocking your QB into next week every play.

The only nfl team that probably ran an option more than twice all year were the steelers who used randell el as the pitch man and would never in a million years run that with their star QB.

I'll give gunny a break since he just doesn't know better but of course he is the one rolling his eyes. How embarrising it must be for him..:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

I think that is #8 however and it really does look like a naked bootleg. Maybe the Texans are letting all defensive line man to have a free shot at Carr to get Carr ready for the season.
:lol:
Help Mario build his confidence by putting Carr on his backside a few times? That'll get them both ready for the season.

Against that OL, he might think he's Reggie White, Bruce Smith and Michael Strahan all rolled into one until he faces a REAL OL.

My guess is that the option is common in the league gunny played in and he just doesn't realize that it is not used in the nfl because you have these kevin carter or keith bulluck type guys knocking your QB into next week every play.

The only nfl team that probably ran an option more than twice all year were the steelers who used randell el as the pitch man and would never in a million years run that with their star QB.

I'll give gunny a break since he just doesn't know better but of course he is the one rolling his eyes. How embarrising it must be for him..

hey Roll, I know in your little fantasy there is no such thing as humour and you idea of fun is dreaming of a whole where people actually cared what you said. But welcome to the real world.

My point - which you clearly missed (thus how stupid you must feel) - is that you cannot possibly tell what was going on from a photo which is why I said 'for all you know' and then added this - :rolleyes:

It could have also been a screen, or maybe there were just no O-Line there. :rolleyes:

Damage control?:sad2:

maybe in your humourless world.

deja vu.

http://www.texansbullpen.com/06photogallery/Preseason/2006-06-01-PlayerPractice/Photos/DSC_0123.JPG

http://www.texansbullpen.com/06photogallery/Preseason/2006-05-18-PlayerPractice/Photos/DSC_0117.JPG

My verdict on Mario Williams is that IMO, he won't be a bust.

Nah he won't be a bust, I just think he won't live up to the expectations that the Texans have put out for him.

To not be a bust at the number 1 draft pick, he has to play pro bowl numbers every season, every week which won't happen.

The funny thing is, since nobody thinks he'll be great, will he ever be considered a bust? Cause right now the expectations are low across the country. Even in houston. He actually has nowhere to go but up. I don't think he'll even qualify to be a bust. Even tho' he was drafted first, the expectations are not high for this kid. In fact, he is relatively low profile. Most people have never even seen him play before.

Ironically, with all the talent, and depth of the draft, I don't think anyone is this draft will be in the position to be considered a bust.

Leinart - Went late to a team with a qb already. Pressure is off

Young - Didn't jump anyone in the draft, already comes with some question marks, and in Tenn, nowhere to go but up, small market, I don't see a possible bust here either. If he sucks Tenn won't be held that liable in my opinion.

Bush - already comes with concerns, and in New Orleans, no pressure with McCallister already there. No spotlight. Won't even be on tv. May only get 15 carries anyway.

Possibly the biggest potential waste of a draft pick may belong to S.F. - Because they bought into the hype. But who really cares if a TE bites it. Nobody.

I don't look at this draft as bust, unless someone gets into it with the law. Then the media coverage will turn 'em into a bust. But I don't see the jury really coming out to get the Texans, Titans, or Saints, or Cardinals.

Especially with T.O still in the league.

I can't see how Vernon Davis can bust, dude got everything, not just a combine freak.

I don't see Vernon Davis as a 'waste' of a pick.

If I was in S.F's position, I would draft Davis, I like the guy's attitude.

Peace Blood!!!

They can all be busts. Tony Mandrich was probably the biggest "can't miss" prospect ever and yet was arguably the biggest bust among non-QBs.

even if he is the next michael strahan, won't do any good. how many super bowls has strahan won? look at dwight freeney. the colts are never winning a super bowl, cuz they're the colts... williams played last year on a line that featured manny lawson on the other side, and 2 solid DTs. he wasn't double teamed. he will be now. welcome to the surreal life mario...

BUST!!

the man is built like a beast though

so was andre wadsworth

By all accounts, running backs don't win championships. Quarterbacks don't win championships. Defenses win championships.

i know this is common sense, but let me disagree.

though some teams clearly won on defense (ravens, dolphins), most of the SB winners showed a good mix, and a nice bunch of them only had an adequate D when they won.

winning starts in the trenches. you need a good OL and a good DL. Rarely has a SB winner not been solid in both those areas. the bucs in 2002 won based on defense, and so did the ravens in 2000. but those were rare occasions where the winner wasn't rock solid in the trenches. you have no OL, your QB ain't winning you the game. And your RB has no running room.

having said that, until the texans learn that you need a good OL and a good DL to win, they won't. same issue in arizona.

look even at us, we have a good line, but not good enough to go far, not unless stewart or bell stand out. our DL is soft and features a DT who takes half the plays off and the other who regressed last year. our DEs will be in trouble if VDB can't repeat last year's pro bowl performance.

Vince Young has a far greater bust facter than Mario Williams. He wasn't even listed as the top QB on most boards. Mario Williams was listed as a #1 overall on SOMEboards. Y'all reached on Vince far more than we reached on Mario. Vince be be riding the pine behind Billy for a year or more. It will be more if he can't grasp Norm Chows offense. Y'all passed up Leinart, who already new most of the offense to sell jerseys. Smart move.:lol:

oh, and you passing up on bush is?? clown...

btw, we stole white from under everybody's nose while everyone was sleepwalking through the second round. houston passed up on him and winston justice. how smart is that? first you don't take bush, then you pass on white?

dude, you guys rock

Yea, and I suppose you believe everything that you hear on the net. Obviously, a lot of teams felt the same way we did about Leinart.

what if leinart is the next todd marinovich? he's starting off on the right track, dating into the hilton family in case this is the only contract he'll ever see...

what if leinart is the next todd marinovich? he's starting off on the right track, dating into the hilton family in case this is the only contract he'll ever see...

oh please :rolleyes:

oh please :rolleyes:

oh please what??? :evil:

then you pass on white?




Or it could have been because he was fat, had a bad hammy, and character issues.

Or it could have been because he was fat, had a bad hammy, and character issues.
Just a coincidence that this post was made at 06:06pm on 06-06-06?

Perhaps another coincidence that Underalls was describing himself in that post (just substitute "attitude" for "hammy".)

Or it could have been because he was fat, had a bad hammy, and character issues.

well, we listened to all the pundits say negative things about a player before and we ended up passing on randy moss, we weren't gonna make the same mistake twice

Mario on DL with infected tonails. So they remoived both nails from his big toes. lol. It's actually quite serious. Yao ming too almost two months to have his toenails cleaned up, but actually made a big difference in his play.

Or it could have been because he was fat, had a bad hammy, and character issues.


And still run for a 150 yards and 2 TDs every time he meets the cows D!

this guy is gonna be a bust =]

this guy is gonna be a bust =]


Who? This one.

http://www.asam.org/CLUTCHCITY%20NET/o.youngwall5.jpg

Who? This one.


Not if you ask REAL Texans. They love VY, and now the Titans. Losers like you will be stuck supporting a team that always finished below .500.

Hey but, you've still got 2004...:ha: :ha: :ha:

Not if you ask REAL Texans. They love VY, and now the Titans. Losers like you will be stuck supporting a team that always finished below .500.

Hey but, you've still got 2004...:ha: :ha: :ha:


You have got to be kidding no one in their right mind changes loyaties because one player, who hasn't even played a down in the NFL. In TENNhead land people may traiter out their teams at a whim but not in TEXAS. ONLY a hand full of VINNY JOCK JUMPERS have left their loyalties to an NFL team. Most of the others have never really even followed pro ball. I guess since the QB at Iowa went to my high school I have to follow what ever team that drafts him. You lame TENNheads are such a joke. My team may never finish above .500 but I'll never follow a team with shallow fans with questionable sexual preferences and a owner who is despised around the country and loathed in his home state and refuses to move where his team is because he can't stand the people that root for HIS team.

Way to go Titans way to go. Laughing stock of the NFL.

Overalls, Il Bruno is a friend of mine.

He says you are a bitter ex-Oilers fan.

Sounds like you are the turncoat IMO.

You are weak. Try to break the chains that bind you.
You've been called out here and you are mute...

You can't walk your talk.

Offseason events... Fire the new GM... :neener:

You have got nothing.
Go sniff it out.

I'm not linking you there.

You have got to be kidding no one in their right mind changes loyaties because one player, who hasn't even played a down in the NFL. In TENNhead land people may traiter out their teams at a whim but not in TEXAS. ONLY a hand full of VINNY JOCK JUMPERS have left their loyalties to an NFL team. Most of the others have never really even followed pro ball. I guess since the QB at Iowa went to my high school I have to follow what ever team that drafts him. You lame TENNheads are such a joke. My team may never finish above .500 but I'll never follow a team with shallow fans with questionable sexual preferences and a owner who is despised around the country and loathed in his home state and refuses to move where his team is because he can't stand the people that root for HIS team.

Way to go Titans way to go. Laughing stock of the NFL.
This is SMACK CENTRAL stuff. That is why you get no respect here. Quit smacking up the "good" forums. I make enough work for the moderation team as it is.

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b48/JoeArthur/706px-Mouse_in_mousetrap.jpg

You have got to be kidding no one in their right mind changes loyaties because one player, who hasn't even played a down in the NFL. In TENNhead land people may traiter out their teams at a whim but not in TEXAS. ONLY a hand full of VINNY JOCK JUMPERS have left their loyalties to an NFL team. Most of the others have never really even followed pro ball. I guess since the QB at Iowa went to my high school I have to follow what ever team that drafts him. You lame TENNheads are such a joke. My team may never finish above .500 but I'll never follow a team with shallow fans with questionable sexual preferences and a owner who is despised around the country and loathed in his home state and refuses to move where his team is because he can't stand the people that root for HIS team.

Way to go Titans way to go. Laughing stock of the NFL.

:ha: :ha: :ha:
Your bitterness is hilarious.

How many seasons before the Texans start getting lumped into the perennial losing teams like the Saints, Lions, etc.

My team may never finish above .500

Well I guess it was after last season.

You are moving through the steps nicely though:

Denial
Anger
Bargaining
Depression

ACCEPTANCE

loosing
Hree. ltes tkea ttah cadr off teh tblea. :bs:

This is SMACK CENTRAL stuff. That is why you get no respect here. Quit smacking up the "good" forums. I make enough work for the moderation team as it is.



Let me see a thread titled "Mario Williams possibly big bust" isn't smack as it is? I know I respond to TENNhead smack with smack but I am the bad guy. That's TENNhead logic and home board homerism at it's best. I guess your remark about me being called out and not showing up has something to do with another thread or just your wishful thinking again. I wok for a living so I can rarely stay up all night bashing people like some.
I don't see how you can call me a turncoat. Iv'e always stayed loyal to the team that is loyal to me. You can call me a bitter ex-Oiler fan if you want. In some aspects you would be right (NOTICE NON-TENNHEAD TRAIT OF ADMITTING I'M NOT PEFFECT AND ALWAYS RIGHT) I am bitter that my team was stolen from me by a selfish old man who could care less about the fans. However I am happy with the team I have now and I am happy to see Dud is still the same mentally challenged owner he was here. I think Y'all deserve him. Many happy returns and Go Titans.:lol:

Let me see a thread titled "Mario Williams possibly big bust" isn't smack as it is? I know I respond to TENNhead smack with smack but I am the bad guy. That's TENNhead logic and home board homerism at it's best. I guess your remark about me being called out and not showing up has something to do with another thread or just your wishful thinking again. I wok for a living so I can rarely stay up all night bashing people like some.
I don't see how you can call me a turncoat. Iv'e always stayed loyal to the team that is loyal to me. You can call me a bitter ex-Oiler fan if you want. In some aspects you would be right (NOTICE NON-TENNHEAD TRAIT OF ADMITTING I'M NOT PEFFECT AND ALWAYS RIGHT) I am bitter that my team was stolen from me by a selfish old man who could care less about the fans. However I am happy with the team I have now and I am happy to see Dud is still the same mentally challenged owner he was here. I think Y'all deserve him. Many happy returns and Go Titans.:lol:
No. That's the battle flag signal to drag you into this forum and just make it tasteless with little pictures of your tailgate parties, body pics of your honey Bilogurl, the ANTHEM OF THE HOUSTON TEXANS, as performed by Queen and enough smack warp zones to keep super mario busy all afternoon. You are quiet to Officer Frank Poncherello and your toilet bit? Well... since we have made the grand voyage to the outer realm of no one gives a flying rats :banned: ... :suspect: You don't know the difference between a potty joke and kissing :banned: You've got crayon on your face you big disgrace. We just keep smacking you around all over the place.

http://www.gotitans.com/goForum/showpost.php?p=178359&postcount=33

No it's a smack forum for the TENNheads. As long as they are winning everything is good.

No it's a smack forum for the TENNheads. As long as they are winning everything is good.

Well, fancy that. My post is gone. Wonder who took it away....

My post went as well, stop your moaning.

Well, fancy that. My post is gone. Wonder who took it away....

your post is gone. Now take that as a hint

Well, fancy that. My post is gone. Wonder who took it away....

You know why it is gone.

JT told you in the PM. I got one too for the same string. Get over it.

You know why it is gone.

JT told you in the PM. I got one too for the same string. Get over it.
I read her post. It was a whiney little attack at Cowboy guy. She even called Jeff out in it.

Filo, you don't need to take a hint, just don't screw with our fearless leader. If your Texans could do something on the field aside from sucking, then you could talk some real smack instead of whining about your dumb little sports blogger group. Personally, I don't think your post was worthy of deletion, but trust me, you were done a favor. You can't look much more stupid in print than that pathetic dribble you wrote the other day.
http://users3.ev1.net/~zydago/texans.jpg

I read her post. It was a whiney little attack at Cowboy guy. She even called Jeff out in it.

Filo, you don't need to take a hint, just don't screw with our fearless leader. If your Texans could do something on the field aside from sucking, then you could talk some real smack instead of whining about your dumb little sports blogger group. Personally, I don't think your post was worthy of deletion, but trust me, you were done a favor. You can't look much more stupid in print than that pathetic dribble you wrote the other day.
http://users3.ev1.net/~zydago/texans.jpg

That was no attack Bipolar, it was anger that while her Texturds continue
to suck and eventually relocate to another state..America's Team of Big D
are there to stay

By the way love the toe tag for the Texturds Bi

What is really funny in a pathetic kind of way is she stalked you off into a forum on the other end of cyberpace to personally attempt to trash you in front of a bunch of forum members who couldn't give a rats :banned: about her, her team, or her blog. Just screams "brokeback" doesn't it? I can just picture Jeff's PM right now...

"Let's try to take that personal stuff to PM, okay? That is what it is for."

:ha: ... I'm glad she decided to show her :banned: ... It would be nice if she had one of those Texas Bikini Team :banned:es worth showing... But just the same, she's good for a pity laugh when she's got a six pack in her spare tire. (Bipolar laughs out loud)

What is really funny in a pathetic kind of way is she stalked you off into a forum on the other end of cyberpace to personally attempt to trash you in front of a bunch of forum members who couldn't give a rats :banned: about her, her team, or her blog. Just screams "brokeback" doesn't it? I can just picture Jeff's PM right now...

"Let's try to take that personal stuff to PM, okay? That is what it is for."

:ha: ... I'm glad she decided to show her :banned: ... It would be nice if she had one of those Texas Bikini Team :banned:es worth showing... But just the same, she's good for a pity laugh when she's got a six pack in her spare tire. (Bipolar laughs out loud)

That's the stupidity of a texturds fan, they don't think before they speak

Wow. I think BiPolar is moderator material.

Wow. I think BiPolar is moderator material.

I visit here on occasion, seldom post, However, I must respond to this post.... Funniest thing I ever read :))

lol, i think that its funny that i started this thread and it has gone so far, im proud of myself

I visit here on occasion, seldom post, However, I must respond to this post.... Funniest thing I ever read :))

you don't get out much do you?

anyone see Mario's first game? Dude was useless in the highlights I saw, looked more like a punching bag then a DE.

anyone see Mario's first game? Dude was useless in the highlights I saw, looked more like a punching bag then a DE.


Yeah it's a good thing that Vince completed less than 40% of his passes and lead his team to a loss.

We still won and it's just the first game of preseason. If your guy had done anything and helped your team win, I could see you coming here to crow, but Y'all lost get over the hate.

YY'all lost get over the hate.
:spit:
You're childish obsession fueled by your pathological bitterness is HILARIOUS!

Yeah it's a good thing that Vince completed less than 40% of his passes and lead his team to a loss.

We still won and it's just the first game of preseason. If your guy had done anything and helped your team win, I could see you coming here to crow, but Y'all lost get over the hate.


I know you are not used to winning so I can see how creaming over any win you can get is worth getting excited about, but no one (except Houston apparently) cares about winning a pre-season game, no they actually want to give game practise to the players, yes despite Mario being punished like a dominatrix's biatch, it still does count as him playing.

Houston has a parade scheduled for monday to celebrate their preseason game win. :ha:

:spit:
You're childish obsession fueled by your pathological bitterness is HILARIOUS!


You mean as oppossed to the starter of this thread and the others about the Texans. Poor Hoffa, man is he such a hater

I know you are not used to winning so I can see how creaming over any win you can get is worth getting excited about, but no one (except Houston apparently) cares about winning a pre-season game, no they actually want to give game practise to the players, yes despite Mario being punished like a dominatrix's biatch, it still does count as him playing.


No one is bragging about winning a preseason game. I just think it is funny that instead of worrying about how bad the Titans looked your post had to come after Mario. Kinda like, if you can't bring your team up, tear another team down. :lol:

I know you are not used to winning so I can see how creaming over any win you can get is worth getting excited about, but no one (except Houston apparently) cares about winning a pre-season game, no they actually want to give game practise to the players, yes despite Mario being punished like a dominatrix's biatch, it still does count as him playing.
I agree Gunny. Evaluating the talent you have is far more important than winning the game itself. I'd like to think our first team won the contest but I really didn't care about the outcome as I exited the stadium. I mostly just laughed and said, "I can't beieve that we lost to the Saints" :lol: Vince Young was not great but he wasn't horrible either. He had himself together so-so but he will only get better. I know nothing about the Texans preseason game other than they won and Williams stunk... my only take is that Williams stunk with a first team and Vince Young was with a 2nd string squad. Like you were saying man, it's just preseason and winning is not the most important thing in preseason, it's just a bonus.

No one is bragging about winning a preseason game. I just think it is funny that instead of worrying about how bad the Titans looked your post had to come after Mario. Kinda like, if you can't bring your team up, tear another team down. :lol:
don't be :cuss: stupid man... Mario Williams name is in the thread title... up and talking about the Titans is just off topic posting... I know that's your specialty but Gunny has no obligation whatsoever to talk about the Titans/Saints in the Mario Williams thread. You should turn the troll knob down a touch and post in these forums as if you want to exchange ideas and opinions. Smack away if you must ... it's just all you do man. It's just preseason and you are shreading your attention allowance with idiotic comments that insist that if Gunny should post off topic because Williams had a poor game... If you want to smack Vince Young and his poor game (if that is your opinion...) go start a thread... in smack if you must. It wasn't that bad... It just wasn't great but he looked ok... better than a typical rookie qp in terms of poise (I know that is BS) ... You should work on your likability. It will get you more troll hits on your posts anyhow... people don't want to talk to you man because you are annoying with your :bs: ... In other words... people are feeling as if you are not worth their time. That's not to say you can not change that. It has to start with some non smack thought posting in NFL talk though... otherwise the amount of respect you will be dealt will be marginal. This is about as polite as I can be on the matter.

When asked about his thoughts on Mario Williams going to Texas, Eddie George replied "I don't care" as he announced the Titans game.:ha:

Why should he care? It has nothing to do with the Titans.

Titans are just happy the Texans were dumb enough to pass on Bush and take the guy with nasty feet.

Why should he care? It has nothing to do with the Titans.

He had allot to say about Bush oddly. I guess he has something to do with the Titans?

Yeah it's a good thing that Vince completed less than 40% of his passes and lead his team to a loss.

We still won and it's just the first game of preseason. If your guy had done anything and helped your team win, I could see you coming here to crow, but Y'all lost get over the hate.

Of all the positions that can be expected to produce as a rookie, DE's & LB's probably have the best shot at contributing early.

Vince did pretty much as he was expected to do. Considering Williams was the No:1 daft pick this year he sucked. Our mascot had a better game

Vince did pretty much as he was expected to do. Considering Williams was the No:1 daft pick this year he sucked. Our mascot had a better game


Vince was picked TWO spots behind Mario. That's not like a 3rd rounder.

Vince was picked TWO spots behind Mario. That's not like a 3rd rounder.
Really, did you fiqure that out without any help?

VY= performed OK as expected

Bush= showed flashes of why he should have been #1 pick

Mario= Stunk worse than his feet

Vince was picked TWO spots behind Mario. That's not like a 3rd rounder.

Did I say he was a 3rd round pick? My point was that a 1st round DE is expected to at least be a pass rushing threat straight out of the box. Williams 1st showing fell short of expectations.

In his teams 1st pre season game it shouldn't matter at all. Don't worry yourself dude, he was playing against a stud in Kyle Turley. Wasn't he?:hmm:

Please, u need to have a word with yourself.

He played so high I thought he was Ricky Williams. It was like he had stumpy T-Rex arms. He got turned so many times Lendale thought he was a burger!