The best thing that I saw tonight is that Pacman has seen to learn how to tackle and hit..... This is great news. Also, he has seen to got better in coverage as well because he forced the QB's from the Saints to throw toward Renyaldo Hills side.... He also looked good returning the ball, but we know what he can do there. If he can keep this up he might actually live up to the hype... Maybe he sees that behaving (except for trash talking) does have its upsides.... Hope he keeps it up!!!!

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he wasnt even near bush long enough to talk trash. it looked to me like all he did was shake his head.

he wasnt even near bush long enough to talk trash.

Seems not many were.

But, if Pacman can keep out of trouble off field and avoid dumb penalties I see no problem with him.

he wasnt even near bush long enough to talk trash. it looked to me like all he did was shake his head.
I agree, the new and "improved" taunting rule is way off. It's a physical game, where people get excited and pumped up - not chess..

I agree that taunting should be illegal, especially if directed at the fans, however a little trashtalking never hurt anyone.

taunting illegal? it doesnt hurt anyone.

taunting illegal? it doesnt hurt anyone.

No but if you spike the football on the midfield logo of your opponents homefield, for instance, it's a slap in the face of the fans, and that shouldn't be allowed.

However I have no problem with trashtalking or taunting of an individual player (as long as it doesn't cross the line for racisme and the likes). I've never understood why for instance it wasn't allowed to point at the player you just burned for a TD and now you can't even walk up to him and say "I'm gonna beat you all day long" or something to that effect.

No but if you spike the football on the midfield logo of your opponents homefield, for instance, it's a slap in the face of the fans, and that shouldn't be allowed.

why?

Gunny, that T.O. thing in Dallas a few years ago was just bad sportsmanship.

How ever Pacman's personal foul was absolute garbage. It did look as if the barely, just barely kissed face masks. That may of been what triggered the flag. Plus there is an emphasis and rule tweak for this season and Pacman is a chronic offender. The flag was ticky tacky. Pacman didn't get near a line let alone cross it under the old standard. I can think of no player in that game to better make an example of. The commissioner wants to make an impression.

It is very obvious that Adam is making some good progress with his play, but he still has to finish school. He has work to do in his speech and drama class...."Acting Like You Have Been There and Done That 101".

Its a great rule that the NFL has put in place. The league existed for a long time without all of the "in your face" trash talking. I know a lot of people who played the game with intense emotion without ever having to get into someone's face to trash talk.

Adam must draw upon his school classes to help his team out once the regular season begins. There will be no room for stupid penalties that harm your team once the season commences.

I'm glad Pac got the penalty. First of all, he did deserve it. Secondly, better for it to happen in a exhibition game so maybe he'll learn no to do it when it actually matters...

... so maybe he'll learn no to do it when it actually matters...
You would think he should have already learned that from last year...especially the last game.

Fish said Jones knew what had happened as he came off the field and he approached Fish and apologized - knowing is half the battle

You would think he should have already learned that from last year...especially the last game.

Why? The two penalties are entirely seperate. Last year he argued with an official which is a no-no, however this time he was just talking smack to Bush, which last year would have been perfectly legal.

... which last year would have been perfectly legal.
And this year it's not, and he knew that and still did it, like last year.

But it's not that big a deal to me, as long as he doesn't make a habit of getting penalties after the play is over, like last year.

And this year it's not, and he knew that and still did it, like last year.


Considering it's a brand new rule there's a good chance you forget about in the heat of battle, which is why I don't blame him. It's like how the Patriots DB's had to get used to not be physical with the receivers downfield, it wasn't something they had down at the start of the season.

I'm glad Pac got the penalty. First of all, he did deserve it. Secondly, better for it to happen in a exhibition game so maybe he'll learn no to do it when it actually matters...

While I do agree with you SK, I did see the play. And, in a regular season game I would have been furious had this been called against "any" of our players.

But, in this case, I'm glad they got Pacman, if for no other reason than, to send him a bit of a message as a wake up call that you can't take taunting penalties (as borderline as this call was).

But, if Pacman got something out of it, it was worth it.

I expect Pacman will get called for this during the season, it's just in his nature.

How ever Pacman's personal foul was absolute garbage. It did look as if the barely, just barely kissed face masks. That may of been what triggered the flag. Plus there is an emphasis and rule tweak for this season and Pacman is a chronic offender. The flag was ticky tacky. Pacman didn't get near a line let alone cross it under the old standard. I can think of no player in that game to better make an example of. The commissioner wants to make an impression.
Agreed, my 330 brother.
Plus....if it's gonna happen....let it be in preseason. We need some attitude and swagger. It was Bush's innagural "welcome to the NFL".
Not to be one of those that picks at this stuff but....go back to the game in the 4th qtr (i think) when VY ran to the right and tried to stretch for a 1st down going OB. (It is the one where he came up short, but there was a defensive holding call that gave us a 1st down.) After the play on the sideline, the defender grabbed VY's arm and said something to him and Young shook his arm off and the defender threw up his hands with the "I didn't do ianything", Ric Flair look. Point is, it wasn't much different than Pacman and Bush. It just wasn't a big hit like Pacman's.

I guess we should thank Pacman for his penalty, since it lead directly to 3 points for the Saints and saved us from having to endure an overtime period.

Agreed, my 330 brother.
Plus....if it's gonna happen....let it be in preseason. We need some attitude and swagger.

I have no problem with swagger and/or attitude.

It's just a matter of how/when you're using them.

At first I thought it was just the price Jones would have to pay for not "getting" it last year and knowing when to lay off his jawing and sparring -- including with the referees. That he was going to be singled out for the quick flags the rest of his career (or at least this year).

It was a very quick flag.

Then the announcers went into (well, on a 7 or 10-second radio delay ;) )how this was a point of emphasis this year and Jones or not, they were going to clamp down on anything that resembled taunting, especially in preseason.

But Jones probably ought to plan on never getting the benefit of the doubt once the regular season starts. He brought it on himself because of last year. I think he's starting to get it now, though.

I liked the hit....and who wouldnt let Mr. BUSH know he is in the NFL. Welcome to the big leagues rook! I woulda done the same thing....and apologized afterwards....

I guess we should thank Pacman for his penalty, since it lead directly to 3 points for the Saints and saved us from having to endure an overtime period.
No. "I guess we should be thankful" it was a PRESEASON GAME!
He played great last night. Period.

From today's paper "Jones admitted he had violated an agreement he made with Fisher when he was called for the unsportsmanlike conduct after a big collision with RB R. Bush. I promised them its not to happen anymore, Jones said. I've got to keep my emotions down a little bit. Fisher immediately approached Jones and said Don't forget what our deal is. Jones said Ok coach. Asked what the deal was he said no more 15 yarders"

No. "I guess we should be thankful" it was a PRESEASON GAME!

That was my point.

Adam has to tone it down a bit
don't get me wrong, I was impressed with his tenacity last night
he was all over the place wreaking havock

but he is certainly on the zebra-radar
don't be surprised to see some ticky-tack flags thrown his way
actions that some other corners might get away with
but because of his actions last year and propensity to be a hot-head.....
he's watched a little more closely (imo)

a year or two of acting cool and keeping quite should tone that down
but until then, he has got to walk on egg-shells once the whislte has blown
(in between, he can give them hell)

Fisher immediately approached Jones and said Don't forget what our deal is. Jones said Ok coach. Asked what the deal was he said no more 15 yarders"

"..... or it's a $1,000 per yard"

From today's paper "Jones admitted he had violated an agreement he made with Fisher when he was called for the unsportsmanlike conduct after a big collision with RB R. Bush. I promised them its not to happen anymore, Jones said. I've got to keep my emotions down a little bit. Fisher immediately approached Jones and said Don't forget what our deal is. Jones said Ok coach. Asked what the deal was he said no more 15 yarders"

Sounds like he's on the right track, anyway.

how is what pacman did any worse than this?

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it look like george started that not the defensive player.

it look like george started that not the defensive player.

Exactly the point. Everyone is on Pac's back for trashtalking Bush, yet our beloved Eddie wasn't too good to trashtalk Ray-Ray a little. It's a part of the game, fun for the fans and an adrenalin pumper for the players, I hate that they decided to make it against the rules.

I wonder how many penalties Joey Porter will get this year, he was always good for some trash both before and during the games.

Exactly the point. Everyone is on Pac's back for trashtalking Bush, yet our beloved Eddie wasn't too good to trashtalk Ray-Ray a little. It's a part of the game, fun for the fans and an adrenalin pumper for the players, I hate that they decided to make it against the rules.

I have absolutely no problem with Pacman did. And, if you were to ask Fish (in confidence of course) he'd probably tell you the same thing.

You can't take the emotion out of the game.

If you do, you might as well put the coaches in front of a TV set and a PS2 or Xbox 360.

Because that's what the NFL is doing if they don't let the players play with an emotional edge.

It did look as if the barely, just barely kissed face masks. That may of been what triggered the flag.

The way it was explained was exactly that. Jumping in another players face and jawing. Fisher was running at Pac as soon as it started so he knew it was coming. I think if he stays away from Bush's facemask its not a flag.

Exactly the point. Everyone is on Pac's back for trashtalking Bush, yet our beloved Eddie wasn't too good to trashtalk Ray-Ray a little. It's a part of the game, fun for the fans and an adrenalin pumper for the players, I hate that they decided to make it against the rules.

I wonder how many penalties Joey Porter will get this year, he was always good for some trash both before and during the games.


what you seem to be forgetting is that the rules have changed since then.

Jones knows he runs his mouth to much which is why he has the bet with Fisher. Fisher hopes it will calm him down some. Hopefully Jones will get his mouth in order before he cost us a regular season game

what you seem to be forgetting is that the rules have changed since then.

I'm not forgetting, I just find the rule utterly stupid and therefore have no problem with any of our players breaking it. Just like I have no problem with most of Chad Jackson's celebrations, even if he does get penalized, fined whatever by the No Fun League.

The only thing I don't condone is taunting or insulting the fans and officials and unacceptable stuff like racial slurs and the like.

Doesn't matter if you think the rule is stupid or not, it's a rule.
And breaking it is a 15yd penalty, which can lose a game for you.
So breaking the stupid rule is even more stupid.

Doesn't matter if you think the rule is stupid or not, it's a rule.
And breaking it is a 15yd penalty, which can lose a game for you.
So breaking the stupid rule is even more stupid.

To you maybe, but if someone doesn't protest against these stupid rules, football will indeed become a realtime chessgame, with no emotions allowed. As another poster pointed out, might as well just simulate the entire league on a computer then.

then Vigsted you need to complain to Fisher since he is on the rules committee :yes:

To you maybe, but if someone doesn't protest against these stupid rules, football will indeed become a realtime chessgame,
I don't think getting 15 yd penalties and losing games is the way to protest.
Like Ewker said, Fisher is on the committee.

Gunny, that T.O. thing in Dallas a few years ago was just bad sportsmanship.


yeah and apparently da Boyz got over it this offseason

I think the rule was "taunting" as opposed to bad language.

AJ could have said anything he wanted to as long as he did not jump in RBs face.

I want to see this "taunting" called when the ratbirds are hovering over the opponents after they make a tackle, or gayton running back onto the field to try and score when the officials were already in the tunnel - THAT was taunting the fans!

What about when someone makes a first down, and then jumps up and points>>
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What about when someone makes a first down, and then jumps up and points>>
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I agree.

That should be considered taunting.

That can be as "in your face" as getting in someone's face.

Why is that much different than celebrating (individually) after a touchdown?

They didn't ban all celebrations.

Maybe if you stand right in front of the guy you beat, and direct the first down gesture towards him specifically.

Too bad they can't just play like the guys 20-30 years ago did.
Culture has de-evolved into garbage.

I saw a qb sack yesterday where the DL was laying on ground and just grabs the qb's foot. Whistle. Sack. I mean that is just wussy football. The qb was just standing there like what the hell. Maybe this new commishoner will bring the game back to the people. Maybe he will build a coliseum, bring the people death, and we will love him for it.

As far as swearing, I get it, and it does take away from the game, but they are only words and nothing more. There ought to be an option for the parent to watch the 20 second delay or the adult version with no delay.

I loved the way Pacman played Saturday. He was flying to the ball and **gasp** making tackles. Swatting down passes and laying into Reggie Bush. I couldn't care less about the 15 yrd penalty, he got fired up said something then IMMEDIATLY knew he did something wrong. Last year I could vision him arguing with the Ref about that penalty, this year he took it like a man and went on playing. He got fired up, he got to put a massive hit on 2005 Heisman winner "The Legendary" Reggie Bush. Who else would have got up and said something to him after a hit like that, **raises hand**. I'd be guilty of that as well if I was playing. It is a new rule, but everytime they make a new rule it takes the players time to adjust, just like the whole Pass Interference revision had an impact on all DB's.

Aside from the 15 yard penalty, i saw alot in Pacman Jones that looked very promising in this upcoming season.

could someone show a little clip of pac getting in bushs face?

By the new rule PacMan was guilty. He got right in Bush's face after the play. That is all you have to do. You do it on the sideline off the field it will be called every time. Get use to the rule.

could someone show a little clip of pac getting in bushs face?

I have a .jpg of the hit that makes Jones look pretty good but no where to host it.

He is looking like one of the most improved players on the squad. I want to see him against TO.

hey blazing arrow, you can host it by just emailing it to yourself

Pac looked pretty good out there. Deserving of a top pick. I wonder how the other corner drafted after pac is looking...

Pac looked pretty good out there. Deserving of a top pick. I wonder how the other corner drafted after pac is looking...
#21 Antrel Rolle | CB AZ Cardinals i believe you are refering to.

2 tackles, :shocked:

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Someone got the power pellet

^AWW!! THATS AWESOME!! HOWD YOU GET THAT!!! SWEET! Im saving that and printing it out, and laminating it, and making it Sticky, and sticking it to the back of my car! AWEESSOMMMEE!!! :notworthy:

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Someone got the power pellet
Very nice picture, gonna hold on to that one for a while.

#21 Antrel Rolle | CB AZ Cardinals i believe you are refering to.

2 tackles, :shocked:

Didn't Washington take a corner just after Pacman, too?

Didn't Washington take a corner just after Pacman, too?
8 Arizona Antrel Rolle CB Miami
9 Washington Carlos Rogers CB Auburn


C. Rogers 1 tackle :eek:

carlos rogers had 1 tackle. and rolle had a PI call too.

C. Rogers 1 tackle :eek:

He's the one.

Thanks 2TB.