After the loss today to the Jets, your coaching record now stands at 97 wins, and 96 losses.

Congratulations.

Actually his record is 97-86 or 102-90 counting the post season..

Still a 53.5% winning percentage is very average when you consider the players he has had over the years...

Name five players on this team during that time that have gone on to do well on other teams?

you are correct RollTide, and thanks. Still shellshocked from the game, or perhaps I need reading glasses.

http://www.databasefootball.com/coaches/coachpage.htm?coachid=FISHEJEF01

Depending upon how the season pans out, maybe I was just a couple months premature:irked:

Come on people's give the guy a break, we'll get back to winning have some faith in the guy's skills. Hell, he could have a coaching record of 100-30, and we could go to the playoff's every year, but if we never go to the Super Bowl and win, then his record wouldn't mean schick anyway.

He did keep McCareins out of the endzone with that timeout.

:suspect:

I like Fisher, think he normally adapts well, but his feet seem stuck in the mud. It's like he can't see what we all see so clearly.

I like Fisher, think he normally adapts well, but his feet seem stuck in the mud. It's like he can't see what we all see so clearly.

well thing is no team is beating down our doors to be HC or GM.

might be against the rules for a HC or GM to start lobbying for a job while both are under contract.

but if we never go to the Super Bowl and win, then his record wouldn't mean schick anyway.

So you'd rather have one Super Bowl win and 9 years of sucking wind rather than 10 consecutive playoff seasons without a Super Bowl win? Count me out.

I mean yeah, I'd love a Super Bowl win too, but right now I'm just trying to make it a little bit more fun to go to the games. I'm trying to avoid walking out of my home stadium and having to listen to jerks with NJ accents hollerin' J-E-T-S Jets Jets Jets!

I'd love it if I didn't have to listen to Jaguars fans talk smack as they leave our house. I'd love it if we could play the Colts and still be in the game with 10 minutes left.

Rah rah for the Super Bowl, but I'm just getting sick of losing. I'm tired of it. I'll be in my seats every week regardless, but I'm ready to see some W's and after yesterday, it's hard to imagine who we're going to beat.

Look, the $$ comes out of my pocket to see a home game. I wouldn't give a rat's tail if we went 8-8 most years as long as we dominate our field.

WE HAVE NO HOME FIELD ADVANTAGE. (we have no field advantage, but I'd settle for a decent home win). What is the franchise giving to the people to shell out? For the past 3 years, maybe 5 home wins and it looks our only shot at a home win is versus the Texans (and that is by no means a lock).

The overall mentality of the team trickles down from the head coach. Our team plays not to lose. We aren't aggressive at any aspect of our game plan. We play scared on offense and take no chances down field... Same goes for the D. We hardly rush the QB and when we did it seemed effective. We looked afraid... That comes from Fisher not the coordinators. We looked un-prepared.



:banned: I'll save my opinons about our recieving for another thread!:gag:

WE HAVE NO HOME FIELD ADVANTAGE.Doesn't help when the crowd boos the QB after Gods Only Son, Drew Bennett, drops another big pass - and The Great Ben Troupe hands one over. It was embarrassing.

Doesn't help when the crowd boos the QB after Gods Only Son, Drew Bennett, drops another big pass - and The Great Ben Troupe hands one over. It was embarrassing.

I have to agree. Colllins was certainly not impressive, but considering the fact he had only been with the team for a week and a half, he could have been much worse. And we could have Peyton Manning or Carson Palmer out there but if guys bat the ball up in the air, or let it go right through their hands then the QB doesnt really matter anyway. But, I cut the fans some slack on the booing because I would think it was directed at Fisher just as much as Collins, or it should have been anyway. Bringing in Collins so late to be your starting QB was just dumb. Especially when he was just sitting there all off season waiting for us to give him the opportunity.

Doesn't help when the crowd boos the QB after Gods Only Son, Drew Bennett, drops another big pass - and The Great Ben Troupe hands one over. It was embarrassing.

I was there. The crowd booed when appropriate. It was the loudest when KC was having his passes slapped back at him and when he was throwing to God only knows who or throwing it away after 1 read. He, Chow and Fisher deserved all the booing they got.

In reality, it is THE FANS home field. The fans buy the PSL's, the tickets, the $75 jerseys, the $4 cokes, $7 beer, $6 hot dogs etc. The fans were expressing their dissatisfaction with the organization's abuse of their home field. Don't buy in to what I'm saying? See how long the team has a home field when the "fans" give up on the organization.

The franchise-fan relationship is a mutually symbiotic relationship. Right now, the franchise is NOT keeping up their end. Things don't change, it won't be long before the fans quit keep up theirs.

I was there. The crowd booed when appropriate. It was the loudest when KC was having his passes slapped back at him.I don't tape the games, but that usually has something to do with the protection. Ah, but our OL is top shelf so it couldn't be their fault. Blame the new 6'5" QB. Nice job.

See how long the team has a home field when the "fans" give up on the organization.It took about 5 minutes yesterday. Nice job.

You didn't have to be there to know when to boo or not. There were a couple of plays that should've been made that would've made a huge difference. I my opinion, Bennetts isn't very good. How many crucial passes does he need to drop before he's moved down to #3 or 4 in depth or the QB's quit throwing him the in presure situations. It's let down after let down with him and I'm sick of it. Fans should've been Booing Fisher for not having this team prepared.

So you'd rather have one Super Bowl win and 9 years of sucking wind rather than 10 consecutive playoff seasons without a Super Bowl win? Count me out.

I mean yeah, I'd love a Super Bowl win too, but right now I'm just trying to make it a little bit more fun to go to the games. I'm trying to avoid walking out of my home stadium and having to listen to jerks with NJ accents hollerin' J-E-T-S Jets Jets Jets!

I'd love it if I didn't have to listen to Jaguars fans talk smack as they leave our house. I'd love it if we could play the Colts and still be in the game with 10 minutes left.

Rah rah for the Super Bowl, but I'm just getting sick of losing. I'm tired of it. I'll be in my seats every week regardless, but I'm ready to see some W's and after yesterday, it's hard to imagine who we're going to beat.

I hear you, and I agree with that as well, I'm only saying that he's a great coach even though we've been hurting the past couple of years. I just think of all the Hall of famers out there who never won a Superbowl title, and IMO, all of them would trade that honor for to be a world champion, ask any of the Buffalo Bills (0-4). Marv Levy, would definately agree with it. We'll get it turned around, and JFish, will be there when it does, hell he did it once, he can do it again. In my book he is on a three year plan to turn this around, he gets a pass for the last two seasons, and this one he definately needs to show up, next year we better be in the playoff's for sure.

The boo's were appropriate, and would have been more if this team played in NY, or ANYWHERE else.

Once, when the O was coming back on they flashed VY's pic on the jumbo-tron and people cheered, until they saw Collins was the one actually on the field.

You didn't have to be there to know when to boo or not. There were a couple of plays that should've been made that would've made a huge difference. I my opinion, Bennetts isn't very good. How many crucial passes does he need to drop before he's moved down to #3 or 4 in depth or the QB's quit throwing him the in presure situations. It's let down after let down with him and I'm sick of it. Fans should've been Booing Fisher for not having this team prepared.

You know what, we are hurting. We're even beating up on DB now. Sure he drops a pass here and there, I know b/c no one was as mad at him as anyone, on the forth down play against New England in the playoffs that he dropped that ended the game for us, but lets give the kid a break. JFish did have them ready to play, He can't block for them, catch missed passes, or make KC grow two more feet so he can stop getting balls batted down. He can't control these guys like puppets, bottom line...THE PLAYERS HAVE TO PLAY, they just played bad. First game, they will figure it out and get it together. We all have to remember, contrary to opinion I honestly believe we ARE rebuilding. I give it another year then the chemeistry will be there, and we will not have to have these microscopic topics. I am as pissed off as anyone and ready to hand some team a throbbing beat down, but patience, they too will come.

If you can't field a winning team, then find some way to add value to the experience. The product is two-bit right now.

DB deserves being ripped along with some of the other recievers. Re-building or not, you have to make certain plays. Especially the easier ones. Guys make those catches everyday in high school and college so I'm not excepting any more excuses for sloppy execution. They weren't prepared.

I don't tape the games, but that usually has something to do with the protection. Ah, but our OL is top shelf so it couldn't be their fault. Blame the new 6'5" QB. Nice job.

It took about 5 minutes yesterday. Nice job.

No it really has something to do with pocket presence, vision, an arm and possibly some pump fakes. Surprisingly, he had enough time to at least get a 2nd or 3rd read before releasing the ball.

The fans you say gave up in 5 minutes had the place rockin' in the 4th quarter when the D was playing with balls.

That's the loudest I've heard the place in a long time.
The crowd was perfect all day long, with making noise for the D and sending the boo's when warrented.

The fans you say gave up in 5 minutes had the place rockin' in the 4th quarter when the D was playing with balls.That's what I'd expect, but it doesn't excuse the fact that the crowd never gave Collins a chance and showed up ready to boo him.

That's what I'd expect, but it doesn't excuse the fact that the crowd never gave Collins a chance and showed up ready to boo him.

he deserved what he got :moon2:

Yeah, I don't get how anyone can defend KC after seeing him play when it counted.

Call it like it is, DB dropped, Troupe caused an INT, but KC suck-diddly-ucked.

The crowd booed when the plays failed.

To hear someone cry about poor KC getting booed, and suggesting that Drew or Ben deserved the boos is just not thinking of how it seemed to Drew or Ben on the field. The crowd was booing them too.

That's what I'd expect, but it doesn't excuse the fact that the crowd never gave Collins a chance and showed up ready to boo him.

The crowd gave Collins a chance- he blew it. He looked like brown beans out there from the get-go. You really don't believe the fans would have booed if Collins went out there and moved the ball down-field do you?

Other points taken, many boos were for Fisher, Chow and the franchise for bringing a guy (not Collins personally) who wasn't getting it done. Titans fans have not been this desparate for a home opener win since the franchise came to Nashville. The stakes were high- EVERYONE knew it. The boos were appropriate.

I don't tape the games, but that usually has something to do with the protection. Ah, but our OL is top shelf so it couldn't be their fault. Blame the new 6'5" QB. Nice job.

It took about 5 minutes yesterday. Nice job.
Yep!
Collins was booed once when the pocket collapsed on 3 sides in about one second and he was sacked. Those same boos were followed by a chant for "Volek, Volek, Volek".

It was pretty embarrassing.

Other points taken, many boos were for Fisher, Chow and the franchise for bringing a guy (not Collins personally) who wasn't getting it done. Titans fans have not been this desparate for a home opener win since the franchise came to Nashville. The stakes were high- EVERYONE knew it. The boos were appropriate.
I agree 100%, and said such in another thread.
The boo's were SPOT ON!

Doesn't help when the crowd boos the QB after Gods Only Son, Drew Bennett, drops another big pass - and The Great Ben Troupe hands one over. It was embarrassing.


I agree, with this....that's TWO BOOS Collins didn't deserve. The rest are all his and Fisher's. Fisher placed Collins get what amounts to "practice" over the team, the fans and everything else, in what was clearly a winnable game, that this team and its fans desparately needed. Fisher threw it away by playing Collins minus the one series.

This is not Collins first time being boo'ed at home and the fans calling for his backup. Last season it was chants of Tui. This season it is chants of Volek. Hopefully we do not sink to the "Collins Sucks" chants but I would not be surprised.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/raiders/2005-11-30-embattled-collins_x.htm?csp=34

When will the Titans be his team? :hmm:

Hopefully we do not sink to the "Collins Sucks" chants but I would not be surprised.Nor would I. We know Nashville is filled with front runners. Look at the Club Section.

I'll have to watch the tape, but going off memory from seeing it live, Collins turtled on one of those sacks.

That's what I'd expect, but it doesn't excuse the fact that the crowd never gave Collins a chance and showed up ready to boo him.


cause Collins sucks

I'll have to watch the tape, but going off memory from seeing it live, Collins turtled on one of those sacks.I think he turtled, but there was noone there to sack him.

Disagreement with you is like a stick of butter fighting with a buzz saw. What is your lame point anyway? That players like mcnair-george-bishop-hopkins-matthews-mason-kearse-carter-kinney-wycheck-thornton-smith-runyon-rolle-robertson-neal-bulluck-schulters-KVB-bennett, are only good because of smelly fish's coaching? Are you actually saying that?

Name 5? Hell i can name more than that.

John thornton set personal highs in sacks(2003) and tackles(2004) with the bengals.

Robaire smith set his personal high in tackles with the texans.

John runyon has had an outstanding career since leaving coach smelly fish.

Lorenzo neal has gone to the pro bowl since leaving the titans.

Gary walker never made the pro bowl with the titans but did for the jags.

Kevin carter was every bit the player in miami last year that he has always been getting in on 9 more tackles then what he averaged in his 4 seasons here.

Steve mcnair seems to be anything but a lost puppy dog since leaving the not so erudite fishy smell.

Derrick mason had his typical 1000 yard season last year despite having kyle boller throwing the ball.

Randall godfrey averaged 77 tackles a season with the titans he has 82 tackles the last 2 seasons.

Seems that those guys are pretty good. Andre dyson sure hasn't forgot to play football grabbing 2 ints sunday.

Another side of the question is how do players from other teams do when they come here? Does fisher get more out of them? Nobody can say that.

John thornton set personal highs in sacks(2003) and tackles(2004) with the bengals. .

I'm a long timer over at mikebrownsucks.com and they have been calling for Thorny's head for years..

:howdy: What is your malfunction? This is the 2nd thread I've come accross where your having a go at Gunny. Why?

Have we spat our dummy out & mommy's not there to pick it up?

Here's a word for you,Machiavellian.

Ever drag your fingernails down a chalk board? That is what it feels like for us when we have to read your annoying drivel.

In the words of Titan Jeff

"You again find a way to twist words to suit your own needs. It's really pathetic and now obvious to everyone who reads anything you post here. Any valid comments you make get totally overshadowed.

What a waste of time responding to you has become."
http://www.gotitans.com/goForum/showpost.php?p=197680&postcount=121

:bully: :crazy: :flamegun:

RT
:moon2: :moon2: :moon2: :moon2:

We? You and gunny are a couple now? What is this the bird cage?

Don't like my posts then put me on ignore but don't come off like some twit cry baby.

Talkin of movies, aren't you story behind the 'Crying Game'

Since when is titan jeff the voice of god now? He lost and arguement and got mad. So? It's ok for him to attack me but go read his posts during those volek-collins arguements. My assessment was right on. Those were his positions and now after the fact both he, starkiller and many others look stupid because kerry collins failed miserably. That's why i refer to jeff fisher as an idiot often at the end of my posts because had collins delivered a good performance and a win we would have been calling the move brilliant..


Up until now i have done nothing to rub the noses of the pro collins crowd in the excrement of that horrible sunday performance. Should i? I was right! Collins had no business starting that game and it cost us. Veteran leadership my @$$! Coaches know best bullcrap!

Note: I went back and read every titan jeff post on the thread in which those quotes occured and my assessment was right on. I didn't mischaracterize a damn thing he said. He was out of line, dishonest and frankly very very wrong!

RT,

I was modestly supportive of the Collins move then he dropped a turd Sunday at LP field. I agree with you that Collins (versus Volek) starting that game no doubt was a major factor in the loss.

I've come to realize, however, my motivation really is just about getting a home win. We've had so few over past couple of years and I'm paying alot of money to feel bad about a team I support. I think that is the major reason I'm anti-Collins, Chow, Fisher, Schwartz, Reese and everything else now.

Fisher really is a decent HC. I recognize he is making "long term" decisions to try to steer the ship through the tempest of salary cap hell. Starting Collins is one decision he has made. We didn't get the win, so I'm as pissed as anybody, especially since he looked so bad. But as the cliche goes, the season is like a marathon, not a sprint. So I am going to lay off of everybody and stop flinging turds until game 5. If we are 0-5, Collins is still starting, our offense hasn't improved, then I'm calling for Fisher and Co's (including Reese's) head. If we win less than 6 games, by the end of the season same thing.

I am totally about getting some wins. Maybe we'll see why Fisher has made such a controversial choice before then and get us a decent win.

Having re read the whole Volek blew it thread I fail to see where TJ personally attacks you as opposed to attacking what your you were saying.. When I followed Brian's link to the 2004 thread it was like deja vu reading the way you make personal digs at people with your posts.

Your perception of other members posts is clearly different to the norm. I can't decide if this is down to atavism or autism but for now I feel atavism may be a little harsh.

The story on Collins-Volekgate is still unfolding & is too early to make judgement on as is Fisher's.

I'm a long timer over at mikebrownsucks.com and they have been calling for Thorny's head for years..

Been to their site many times over the years. I think I even have a Fraidy Cat shirt around somewhere from one of our tailgate roadtrips.

Love Ali G. by the way. Got hooked on him years ago in the UK.

I don't see how he dropped such a big turd!!! He made some bad passes but who doesn't. He had more good passes dropped than anything else. It's funny how the players are sticking up for him when they didn't for Volek??? I guess they don't know what their talking about and radical fans like RollTide do. Typical. Collins sure doesn't look like Joe Monatana but he did play well enough to win that game. Our recievers are god awful and they killed us all day and so did all the usless penalties.... Not to mention, our secondary had their lunch eaten all day... There was a heck of a lot more going on than just Collins. This is football, right?

I don't see how he dropped such a big turd!!! He made some bad passes but who doesn't. He had more good passes dropped than anything else. It's funny how the players are sticking up for him when they didn't for Volek??? I guess they don't know what their talking about and radical fans like RollTide do. Typical. Collins sure doesn't look like Joe Monatana but he did play well enough to win that game. Our recievers are god awful and they killed us all day and so did all the usless penalties.... Not to mention, our secondary had their lunch eaten all day... There was a heck of a lot more going on than just Collins. This is football, right?

I have to agree to an extent. It's not Collins' fault that he only has two weeks experience with this team and just like any other QB in that position he would improve if he lasted long enough to gain some chemistry with the recievers. As far as I know none of us here works in the front office and knows exactly why things have gone down with the Volek situation and I don't see a different W/L outcome had Volek started...

There are so many other questionable weak spots on this team right now that it seems ridiculous to continue to blather complaint-wise about it when every single on of us knows Vince is going to take over this position very very soon...
Until the secondary deal with passing games at least as "good" (for lack of a better term) as The Jets it matters not who's throwing the balls for the powder blue...

I just said a turd, not a big turd. Truth is, it was a high risk play to start somebody who had been with team for a few weeks as opposed to 6 years and knew the Chow system better. A sub-par performance was bound to be poorly received (which it was). Cap that with the desperate need for a home win, and yes, it appears Collins (and those that put him in there) served up a turd.

His play was at best poor. He admits it himself. I'm not going to deny his supporting cast sucked also, but they were not brought in 3 weeks before the home opener and started above those who know the system better. Collins had balls batted down, poor throws, hasty progressions and no mobility resulting in a few sacks. That's all on him- not his receivers. Volek would have done better.

Still, I'm going to back him and Fisher for 5 more games to get a win. They blew it with the easiest one on the schedule, so they better make up for it with a surprise win.

Volek would have done better.


When has Volek ever proved that without the talent he had around him during the lacerated spleen year?

Volek would have done better.

All speculative. Billy sure hasn't done much better in the past even after being in the system for 5 or 6 years. You pretty much know what your getting with Billy. Of course, they hoped that Collins would've played better but they were hoping the same thing when they let Billy start the first two pre-season games and he laid a big fat egg... I seriously doubt they wanted to bring in another QB if they didn't have to. There are those who will blame this loss on Collins and he does deserve partial credit but no more than anyone else. How anyone who watched that game can say that it was all Collin's fault is beyond me.

All speculative. Billy sure hasn't done much better in the past even after being in the system for 5 or 6 years. You pretty much know what your getting with Billy. Of course, they hoped that Collins would've played better but they were hoping the same thing when they let Billy start the first two pre-season games and he laid a big fat egg... I seriously doubt they wanted to bring in another QB if they didn't have to. There are those who will blame this loss on Collins and he does deserve partial credit but no more than anyone else. How anyone who watched that game can say that it was all Collin's fault is beyond me.

I don't recall reading anybody stating it was ALL Collins fault. I agree 100% that it is speculative (aka opinion) that Volek would have done better. But no more erroneous than to suggest his 4th quarter play almost brought us back.

I also think Collins is serving as the whipping boy for the fans frustration with the team producing so few home wins. It isn't his fault he got the call to come to camp just a couple of weeks before the season, but when he said yes and signed- it did become his responsibility to produce some wins now he is here.

I think I feel like most fans. I'd like to see this QB decision produce some victories. On a positive note- at the team appears to be coming together to support him. Maybe that will produce some locker room chemistry.

Maybe you have comprehension difficulties because i didn't complain about a personal attack i complained that a poster wrote that i mischaracterized his position and you used that as an example how i am. My point is that i didn't misstate his position at all.

When a poster says that billy volek "can't read and can't make quick decisions" i have a right to assume he is saying that volek sucks so when he comes back to me with hands on hips crying that he never said volek sucks i think he is full of it..

Jeff was making an arguement that he probably didn't believe in just to be a pain in the @ss only to complain later.

Your obsession with personalities is funny. I'm concerned that a unprepared bloke with a history of poor play is about to start his second game for us and you are more obsessed with me.

I made my case against collins with facts, stats and logic and was told that the coaches know better. Well do they?

As for you grow up and get an identity of your own. Start with your own sig.....

Since when is titan jeff the voice of god now? He lost and arguement and got mad. So? It's ok for him to attack me but go read his posts during those volek-collins arguements. My assessment was right on. Those were his positions and now after the fact both he, starkiller and many others look stupid because kerry collins failed miserably.
After one game I guess we can go ahead and name the Super Bowl Champion too.

After one game I guess we can go ahead and name the Super Bowl Champion too.

I will go out on a limb and say for sure the Titans won't be there :brow:

You know, it's pretty easy to sit back and rip the Titans but really when you look at it; Chad Pennington played a pretty damn good game. I mean really! He made some really nice passes that were right on the money. That's the best I've seen him look in two years. Some of his recievers were covered and he stuck it in there. Not saying we shouldn't have done better or anything, I'm just saying Pennington looked pretty solid. Who knows they may turn out to be a pretty solid team this year..

I'm really sruggling here aren't I:hmm:

Been to their site many times over the years. I think I even have a Fraidy Cat shirt around somewhere from one of our tailgate roadtrips.

Love Ali G. by the way. Got hooked on him years ago in the UK.

Cool, then you and I can sit back and have a laugh over all the silly hoopla here.. We know the REAL meaning of futility!!
Can't wait for the Borat movie this fall!!

When a poster says that billy volek "can't read and can't make quick decisions" i have a right to assume he is saying that volek sucks so when he comes back to me with hands on hips crying that he never said volek sucks i think he is full of it..


Wrong bamaboy


TJ did NOT say Volek sucks, that is a general statement. TJ had an opinion that he thought Volek lacked in specific areas.

You in fact put words in TJs mouth when you claimed he said Volek sucks.

Your constant leaps of illogic are astounding - yet consistent.

BTW Gannon and Collins both suck. And they both sucked in 2003 when you said that Gannon was the best QB in the NFL. Man I NEVER get tired of pointing that out.

Maybe you have comprehension difficulties

:ha: funniest thing I ever read. RollTide telling someone else they have comprehension difficulties.

Man that is gold.

As for you grow up and get an identity of your own. Start with your own sig.....

says the man with a quote from Bear Bryant. How original.

Your constant leaps of illogic are astounding - yet consistent.


Sometimes the mind forgets...just comes with old age.