seriously! no jokes and criticism ok. i am spreading the word to all titans fans! every freaking person that calls the fisher show tomarrow PLEASE, PLEASE, WHEN YOU ARE DOIN ASKING YOUR QUESTION, PROTEST TO HIM FOR VINCE TO START! i am gonna do it, cause i am calling tommorrw! i know it sounds crazy, but dang it, when vince was out there, i saw a fire and a passion on both sides of the ball that has been missing AND THAT I AM STARVING TO SEE, FOR TWO YEARS! TWO LONG, BLOOSY FILTHY YEARS! ready or not, vince is gonna have to start, collins sucks, billy sucks, and vince is gonna have to play through his mistakes! please guys, if there was ever a time i need yawl, its now! i want fisher to be so sick of us screaming for vince that he puts vince in! vince deserves his shot!

You have to remember we were playing the Jets. They probably did not know what to expect when he was in so there play calls was to watch the run not look pass. And that duck at the end for the INT was no better then a 3 flies up pass. We pull that against a better D and we are going to look silly.

I do not want Collins but we do not need to give up multiple INTs because the guy is still wet. Let him learn and do not put pressure on him and he will develop. Throw him to the dogs and we will be hurting.

He looked good but give it more time. Starting against SD's D would be a bad move IMO.

You better not tell the call screener that your calling to protest to fish about VY not playing or you probably won't get on. You better lie and then let him have it !!!:chuck:

i will ! i have my ways!

C'MON he had like 3-4 good passes
I am a big VY fan, but really

Start? No, he's simpily not ready. Two or three series? Yes. The guy gives us a spark, but we need to take our time.

VY is going throw a ton of INT's in this league with those "paper airplane" jump balls that he's been throwing downfield. They must make some adjustments there no doubt.. Aside from that his play is just so unorthodox he's gonna throw some D's for a loop no doubt.. We will see Vince soon, count on it...

whether you petition fisher or not, he's not going to play vince if he doesnt think it's the right thing to do. he was under a lot pressure to play mcnair early, but he didnt give in.

maybe this time it will be different because some think he is on the hot seat, but dont think it will happen because some fans say they want to see vince.

Sorry; can't do that to Fisher on his own show. We're facing stronger opposition than the Jets over the next few weeks, and Young doesn't need to start until he understands more of the play book. Even Volek said that fans don't see what the QBs see; when I learn enough about football to tell a coach how to do his job, I'll send in a resume!

Throw vince in so he can get hurt?? no way, let him in for a few series to continue getting his game experience and not make him try to do something that isn't there yet, Fisher Knows that and it doesn't matter what is said on his show,IMO I dont think it's worth the risk to play him he gets injured we're screwed... he'll come along but you have to get it the time he needs to get to be ready

seriously! no jokes and criticism ok. i am spreading the word to all titans fans! every freaking person that calls the fisher show tomarrow PLEASE, PLEASE, WHEN YOU ARE DOIN ASKING YOUR QUESTION, PROTEST TO HIM FOR VINCE TO START! i am gonna do it, cause i am calling tommorrw! i know it sounds crazy, but dang it, when vince was out there, i saw a fire and a passion on both sides of the ball that has been missing AND THAT I AM STARVING TO SEE, FOR TWO YEARS! TWO LONG, BLOOSY FILTHY YEARS! ready or not, vince is gonna have to start, collins sucks, billy sucks, and vince is gonna have to play through his mistakes! please guys, if there was ever a time i need yawl, its now! i want fisher to be so sick of us screaming for vince that he puts vince in! vince deserves his shot!
kimberly, that is the most retarded thing in the world I've ever heard. Vince needs to do his spot work. I think the fumes from the heaps of bs that that fester in the hole of ignorance otherwise known as the tomb have affected your judgement. Starting Vince Young right now would be the dumbest thing Fisher could do. Go sell that kool-aid :koolaid: elsewhere because it looks like Jim Jones was mixing it up for 'ya. :brow:

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Throw vince in so he can get hurt??
vince can get hurt walking across the street. whether he plays now, or week ten he can get hurt.

Throw vince in so he can get hurt??
if you're worried about vince getting hurt, then collins and volek are at much greater risk from injury...given the same hit volek and collins will get hurt before vince will...

vince can get hurt walking across the street. whether he plays now, or week ten he can get hurt.
that is true but you must agree that the probability of injury will decrease as he gains some experience.
also, I bet the hope is among the coaches that the line will improve and we will have a better line all around next year.

that is true but you must agree that the probability of injury will decrease as he gains some experience.
also, I bet the hope is that the line will improve and we will have a better line all around next year.
how does he gain experience by not playing though?

people's main argument as to why collins should start ahead of volek is his experince. well, if you count experience as sitting on the bench and watching an nfl caliber qb, then volek is very experienced. if you count experience as playing time, then vince is almost as good an option as volek.

vince can get hurt walking across the street. whether he plays now, or week ten he can get hurt.
agreed, The point was he's not ready... if it comes down to someone taking a blindside hit that takes a QB out I'd rather it not be Vince who is the future, let him get the game experience to read the D's, make the plays and get his timing with our recievers.. as of now IMO Collins has the experience level, would Volek be better I dunno, we all hoped he would've been but Obviously Fisher has decided he's not..

if it comes down to someone taking a blindside hit that takes a QB out I'd rather it not be Vince who is the future,taking a blindside hit doesnt have any barring on whether a qb is experienced or not. thats on the o-line. volek still gets killed back there because he's immobile and holds on to the ball too long. same with collins. i dont think that has anything to do with experience.


let him get the game experience to read the D's
he can't get game experience if he doesnt play.



get his timing with our recievers..
that's what mini camp and training camp are for.

if you're worried about vince getting hurt, then collins and volek are at much greater risk from injury...given the same hit volek and collins will get hurt before vince will...
maybe those guys won't hold the ball as long... or scramble because they can't seem to get the reads down quick enough. I know Vince is a stud... but just because Volek is a wimp next to Young doesn't mean he wouldn't get injured, I know... I don't even look at Volek as being on this team anymore. He is gone as soon as we can make a deal. anyhow, look at Peyton Manning... why does he never get hurt? I know he is the same size as Vince... put he get the ball gone... zoom! Once Vince looks like a gunslinger at BSP they will try him at LP.

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whether you petition fisher or not, he's not going to play vince if he doesnt think it's the right thing to do. he was under a lot pressure to play mcnair early, but he didnt give in.

maybe this time it will be different because some think he is on the hot seat, but dont think it will happen because some fans say they want to see vince.

Yes, and he stunted McNair for it.

I think on the flipside of this, because the Titans now will not wait 2 years to play Vince while we play Collins, and frankly, half the season could be too much as well.

It is for this reason: the players came to play, and if you let rusty 'ol Collins play, the game which is important to players and fans becomes like a practice to Fisher and Collins. Fisher won't realize this before it's too late, mainly because as head coach, his pride won't let him be dictated to by players and fans, assistants, etc.

This could be one time when Bud's intervention is actually helpful.

[QUOTE=bigtitan53279]taking a blindside hit doesnt have any barring on whether a qb is experienced or not. thats on the o-line. volek still gets killed back there because he's immobile and holds on to the ball too long. same with collins. i dont think that has anything to do with experience.

I disagree, having experience does give a QB the knowledge of when to get out of the pocket, step up or get rid of the ball. Not having the experience is getting wrapped up on a sack and flinging the ball over your shoulder trying to make something happen(IE preseason week 1) The more D he watches he'll learn from to make quick reads, he is a stud and there is no doubt in my mind he will make plays.

he can't get game experience if he doesnt play.
true, and he is getting experience a few series at a time..

Dont get me wrong I want VY to start as much as the next guy, I just want to see him succeed and not be set up for failure..
In all honesty all this is my look on it, I dont know whats right..
either way it's all speculation and hindsight is always 20/20

Yes, and he stunted McNair for it.

how did it stunt mcnair? mac has said himself that it helped him.

if anything stumped his growth it was les steckle's offense. i think the george right, george left, six yard pass to wycheck game plan was what stumped mac's growth.

And in regards to yesterday, the point wasn't starting. It was letting Young play through the INT, cause heck, he was perfect before that, whereas Collins was not. Putting Young in a for an extra series or two, or Volek in later, could have been the difference between a W or a L.

Fisher stubbornly opted for the L without giving the team a chance.

I'm not calling for his head, and I'm not saying the team won't be better off without Collins (but it's a close one there), but Fisher needs to make better decisions. The season is underway. You can't just write it off.

I disagree, having experience does give a QB the knowledge of when to get out of the pocket, step up or get rid of the ball.

that has more to do with instincts than experience, imo. drew bledsoe gets nailed five or six times a week. he's been in the league for a while.

how did it stunt mcnair? mac has said himself that it helped him.

if anything stumped his growth it was les steckle's offense. i think the george right, george left, six yard pass to wycheck game plan was what stumped mac's growth.

Yes, and all the players said Collins was fine yesterday. :eek:

McNair wasn't going to bash anyone here at that point in time. They should have tested him deep when he still had his accuracy on the deep ball. Yeah, Steckel's O was a big part of it, but that's how Fisher wanted to play ball. He surely wasn't using all of McNair's talents, and didn't fully until the end of the so-called day.

how does he gain experience by not playing though?

I'm sorry. I thought I was clear in my earlier post. I am an advocate of spot work. I do not think now is the time for him to start. I see him getting worked into games... kinda weening him so to speak... practice a whole, whole lot with the first team and if he's not there yet, come Sunday let Collins do his things. (which is sucking hardcore of course) ... I know it sounds weak... He just needs work... work at BSP and spot work at LP. Nice and easy. There is a very good chance we are gonna select in the top 5 of the draft. It is the natural cycle of FA era football. Just show up at the games. I'll drive 250 miles roundtrip each game day. We will see Vince Young. Just here and there and then more and more. There is a good chance he'll get a start in a month or two. I really like the possibility of right after the bye.

I do think that Vince Young should have been sent into the game right after the Jets challenge of the spot... you know... the very end. I would have set Vince Young up 1st and 10 from the Jets, what? 14? After the TD I would have gone for two. Yesterday I would have kicked the point... Today in hindsight I would have gone for the win. I didn't like our chances for OT. I don't care how pitiful their kicker was.

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that has more to do with instincts than experience, imo. drew bledsoe gets nailed five or six times a week. he's been in the league for a while.

Yeah, Bledsoe got it pretty good yesterday.

And in regards to yesterday, the point wasn't starting. It was letting Young play through the INT, cause heck, he was perfect before that, whereas Collins was not. Putting Young in a for an extra series or two, or Volek in later, could have been the difference between a W or a L.

Fisher stubbornly opted for the L without giving the team a chance.

I'm not calling for his head, and I'm not saying the team won't be better off without Collins (but it's a close one there), but Fisher needs to make better decisions. The season is underway. You can't just write it off.

I agree to let Vince play through the INT

Thank you. Fisher is too cautious. I think he's having trouble seeing the forest for the trees.

I hope Bud chewed his @$$ out first thing this morning!

You know, I am not against bringing Collins in. I am against the time that they did bring him in though. Any coach knows that replacing your starting QB a week or so before your first game is a panic move. If they would have brought in Collins right after McNair was traded, I could see things being differently right now. Now that the brilliant FO and coaching squad has gotten the franchise in this situation, they should be playing smart football to get out of what they can. Fisher played Sunday as if it was another pre-season game for getting Collins some practice. A coach with more sense would have started Billy Volek and let Collins soak in the plays and speed of the Titans offense. Since Volek knows the playbook and has chemistry with the receivers, he would have probably done better than Collins. Volek's chances were rather limited in pre-season to one quarter and a non-existent running game. Only guys like Peyton Manning can excel in those situations. Collin's may get better with time, but IT'S TOO LATE! The Titans are 0-1 right now. The Chargers are next week and they are no pushover. Collin's training session will resume next Sunday and we will most likely see a more lopsided score at the final. That is, unless Fisher decides to start Volek or Young. Young is getting comfortable out there, but still needs some seasoning. Yes, he gets the team excited as well as the fans, but he is still in need of some work... not much. I am for Young starting as soon as possible. I think that he could step in and take over after 8 games. I believe that he would do well in that scenario. You have to ask yourself if Collins will take a backseat after playing 8 games... probably mostly lost games if he doesn't progress faster. I don't see it happening. This will be a frustrating season for Titans fans and players as well. I am about tired of "rebuilding" seasons. Show me something that has been rebuilt so far after 2 years, Fisher.

I'm with you there. I've been saying the same thing. Collins in sooner might have played out alright, but even with him sitting in Nashville for 3 months before signing him produces nothing if he's not practicing. I have to label this as "the dumbest thing Fisher has done so far" that he has had complete control over.

I've posted verbatim that Fisher treated yesterday's game, as you stated, a preseason game, or a live practice session, to the detriment of the team. Fisher will lose the locker room worse than he did last year with Pacman.

This is why oh why I hope Bud comes in to set Fisher straight, because Fisher has backed us into a corner where playing Vince Young is the best option at this point, if they don't want to play Volek, which I believe he did purely for spite. And if that's the case, he might deserve to lose the team.

To give the BOD, maybe Fish is setting it up so he HAS to play Vince Young, but that's pointless, because once he brought in Collins, that was inevitable.

Oh, and I've hated Collins from a distance for a long time. Not real hate, mind you. Football hate. Now I don't really "hate" him anymore. I'm just sad he's here. It's like being on a collision course with a large meteor.

Clearly Volek should have started and Collins been the #3. I think 31 teams would have made that decision, too. Why can't we?

If we were smart, which we're not, Fisher should have decided to keep Billy for his experience and time in Tennessee, brought Collins along if he tanked/got hurt and started Young as planned.

It might have even been healthy to use our QBs the same way we will our RBs, but no, we're not that smart.

We're conservative, and we'll stay so even though it guarantees losses. If we're losing, what are we really protecting? And don't say Vince Young. He's not glass. We drafted him, whether he's your type of QB or not, because he has more guts, leadership and charisma than any QB we could have drafted, the kind of stuff that can transform a team.

Its funny. It's the only position where people are scared of putting a first round pick in right away. Every other position the kid is expected not only to start, but to contribute in a big way. I don't care if he doesn't know all the playbook. I don't care if he runs risk of injury. Go ahead and play Young now and get the future underway. He's going to have to take his lumps at some point. Why waste the opportunity that is THIS SEASON? No one thinks this team is going to the playoffs, so just get him as many snaps now as possible.

I don't want to see anymore Kerry-frickin-Collins. Who on this team is going to want to go to war for a guy they've known for 2 weeks? This is ridiculous. That was the most pitiful display I have EVER seen yesterday and I hope every player goes to their positional coach and lobbies for Young. I think these players want to win, but the staff is not cooperating. F--- Kerry Collins. People here in Dallas are calling for Bledsoe's head after one game. That's because they expect their QBs delivery I want to see someone on these boards stop letting their expectations slide. All I'm reading on the boards today is a bunch of apologists and excuse-makers. I've been an ardent fan of this franchise for 25 years and I have never been more hacked-off.

Peace out.

I understand the arguments against starting VY, but I think there is more positives in starting him now than not.
Obviously, the people in charge think different, and they may be right.

But yesterday, we had the QB with the least experience with our offense and playbook on the field taking the lions share of the snaps AND IT SHOWED.
That is just straight up a TERRIBLE coaching move on the Titans part.

and the one with the most exp. as the #3...does not compute

Who on this team is going to want to go to war for a guy they've known for 2 weeks?

My point exactly. Thank you.

I agree with your entire post, especially about apologists and sliding expectations. I was all for taking it one game at a time - that game was ours for the taking, and Fisher said "pass."

Also, your name rocks.

and the one with the most exp. as the #3...does not compute

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