I know some may still be quite unimpressed with Kerry Collins, but I doubt Volek will get another opportunity to start here unless Collins were to go down with an injury... even then...?

This year in the NFL there will of course be QB injuries...

and Kansas City may now be a potential suitor for Volek...
Chiefs' Green has a severe concussion
http://www.tsn.ca/nfl/news_story/?ID=177176&hubname=nfl

"KANSAS CITY, Mo. (AP) - Trent Green sustained a "very, very severe concussion" when his head was slammed into the ground by Cincinnati's Robert Geathers and will be hospitalized at least until Tuesday, the Kansas City Chiefs said.

Losing Green for long could be devastating to the Chiefs. Starting at Denver will be journeyman Damon Huard, who until Sunday had not completed a pass in the NFL since Dec. 24, 2000. Behind Huard are rookies Brodie Croyle and former CFLer Casey Printers, who were both unimpressive in the pre-season."


Business wise the Titans are in a positive situation for the next couple of weeks to get value for Volek, but with Volek saying he is going to start causing problems.... How long do they wait?

where did Volek say he was going to start causing problems?

Terry McCormick said today that KC is saying Green will only be out 2 weeks and they would stick with Huard for that.
If it turns out to be longer, they might be interested.

I really dont understand why, after the 2nd INTERCEPTION they did not put Volek in. Why not give the guy a chance? I personally would like to see Young in there all the time, but if Collins cant get it done, then move on!

I really dont understand why, after the 2nd INTERCEPTION they did not put Volek in.
I don't understand why they didn't put VY back in.:hmm:

I really dont understand why, after the 2nd INTERCEPTION they did not put Volek in. Why not give the guy a chance? I personally would like to see Young in there all the time, but if Collins cant get it done, then move on!


They didn't put Volek in because he was inactive for the game.

where did Volek say he was going to start causing problems?


Here you go Ewker...

''I just have to hang tight and maybe create a ruckus after [the Jets game] and try to get out to San Diego or Oakland.''

ruckus = problems IMO

http://www.titansradio.com/cgi-bin/blurb_view.cgi?blurb=news655650

Terry McCormick said today that KC is saying Green will only be out 2 weeks and they would stick with Huard for that.
If it turns out to be longer, they might be interested.


Last year when the Jets were 'supposedly' interrested in Billy... was it all because of 'Dinger or could there still be some interest coming from Herm Edwards?

I thought KC might jump in b/f we play San Diego this weekend and they have a chance to get in on the bidding.

They didn't put Volek in because he was inactive for the game.
volek was dressed before the game.
they didnt play him because they plan on trading him

oh.. and i dont know how you can call the pass to troupe an interception... not saying KC was the best... but at least he didnt fumble... and both interceptions were the fault of the recievers.

troupe bobble... bennett laziness

no, they didnt play him because if they did neither young nor collins could play for the rest of the game

or that... but he did dress

no, they didnt play him because if they did neither young nor collins could play for the rest of the game
And would that have been such a bad thing?

and both interceptions were the fault of the recievers.

troupe bobble... bennett laziness

I don't know about the Bennett pass. Looked like it may have been out of his reach.

All the drops were bad though.

Here you go Ewker...

''I just have to hang tight and maybe create a ruckus after [the Jets game] and try to get out to San Diego or Oakland.''

ruckus = problems IMO

http://www.titansradio.com/cgi-bin/blurb_view.cgi?blurb=news655650

stretching it a bit aren't you

stretching it a bit aren't you


ummmmm ... no I don't think so, that's not my quote, That's Volek... did you read it?

yeah i read it..he said "maybe" He didn't say he would or wouldn't. After the way the Titans treated him (getting to be typical) why not say some things in hope they trade or release you

maybe he meant create some ruckas on the field?

Volek was never a future franchise player for us... he's got an a$shole for an agent that knows how to find the money and the right place... Volek has just skrewed himself over by putting the no trade clause in his contract... Volek will end up at some other team behind some other QB, he's just not starting material... period

Volek could start in Cleveland, but that is about it.

He's proven he could start. Just not for us.

Volek could start in Cleveland, but that is about it.

You just may be right.

maybe oakland

Volek could start in Cleveland, but that is about it.


He won't go there. Karma says he'll break his leg in a cafeteria accident in Cleveland.

Volek could start in Cleveland, but that is about it.

Volek could start in a few places.. Oakland for starters..

Aaron brooks is a better QB than kerry collins. If billy would be starting there that means billy should be starting here!

Brooks has a career passing rating 6 points higher than collins with far more mobility.

Collins came in here and they treated him like he was brett favre, like he was a star and handed him a job he didn't deserve to have.


Jeff fisher is an idiot..

Aaron brooks is a better QB than kerry collins.


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Charlie frye's passing rating as a rookie last year is similar to kerry collins' career passing rating. If you are suggesting that frye sucks you maybe right.

The worst starting QB in the nfl is right here. His name is collins.

What does that tell you about collins then?

Aaron brooks is a better QB than kerry collins. If billy would be starting there that means billy should be starting here!

Brooks has a career passing rating 6 points higher than collins with far more mobility.

Collins came in here and they treated him like he was brett favre, like he was a star and handed him a job he didn't deserve to have.


Jeff fisher is an idiot..
make up your mind.

We got collins as a stop gap backup in case volek goes down. The raiders got him as their franchise QB.

He came a lot cheaper for us then he did for them. We almost got him for nothing.

We got a backup QB who has started 150 nfl games. What the hell? He has more career TDs than ints and actually made a pro bowl once and led a team to a super bowl.

He has playoff experience and actually won more games than he lost in the post season.

It's all a matter of perspective. As a starter he is maybe the 25th-30th best QB but he is one of the better backups. We are paying chump change and didn't give up anything for him.

Good move...

I guess you missed my depiction of collins as a backup. BACKUP! BACKUP! Not start after 10 days of practice..

we all know billy is made of glass, so collins would have been starting by week 3 anyway. they just cut out the middle man.

Charlie frye's passing rating as a rookie last year is similar to kerry collins' career passing rating. If you are suggesting that frye sucks you maybe right.

The worst starting QB in the nfl is right here. His name is collins.

Hey Roll, explain to me in that senile mind what Frye's rookie season or Kerry Collins has any relevance to me saying Volek could start in Cleveland?

:rolleyes:

gunny, i've told you this before. dont try to use logic here.

Not in week one. Big difference there.

And maybe by week 3 or 4 they might be ready to use young more.

The assumption is this:
Frye sucks therefore volek can start ahead of him....acording to gunny
But volek can't start ahead of collins?

But even as a rookie frye was as good as collins..

Take a college course in logic and you will understand...

This is what makes me sick of people like you. I have used only logic. I gave basic logical reasons why collins is not even as good as aaron brooks or billy volek for that matter.

Who has been right about this collins issue? You telling me he played good on sunday?

Those who think that collins should be the starter look like idiots now yet you have the gall to question my logic?

Who has been right about this collins issue? You telling me he played good on sunday?
i think he played well enough to win.

im so sorry you're sick of me. here's an idea...block me.

The assumption is this:
Frye sucks therefore volek can start ahead of him....acording to gunny
But volek can't start ahead of collins?

But even as a rookie frye was as good as collins..

Take a college course in logic and you will understand...

Did I ever say Frye sucks? No I did not. So once again you look like a fool.

And when did I say Volek can't start ahead of Collins?

Gee Roll, you love making up stories. But you do love to look the fool.

But as a rookie Frye played 7 games...oh right, that doesnt make a difference to you, it's all about the QB rating.
And based on your logic Charlie Batch is the best QB in the league...because he has the highest QB rating. :rolleyes:

Roll, get a clue and a full check up by the local GP.

I get tired of half-*****ed Titans "fans" bagging on Coach Fish. Sure he's the head man and ultimately responsible for the product on the field, he makes no bones about it and takes full responsibility when the team loses.
But when some of you fools (Ahem, Rolltide) say something as silly as Coach Fisher is an idiot, you discredit yourself. Fisher didn't pick this bunch, he's just coaching them. If you don't like his coaching staff, o.k. At least he did pick them. But everyone knows Fish would have kept Steve this offseason, and nobody with half a brain thinks any of the QB's we have right now is close to as good as STeve right now.

bamaboy are you using the fact that one guy is starting/displaced determine who is better in this "logic" tree ya got going? You using Passer Rating? Height? what is your criteria?

Collins is starting because of clubhouse politics, Collins ain't better than Volek right now. Course I ain't claiming Volek is better than Collins either my point is there was no competition that Collins won and he is better than Volek.

Brooks is kinda the same in that he is a high priced - relative to the backups in Oakland - FA acquisition and like Collins was handed the job without meaningful competition.


Was rookie Frye in a similar situation to rookie Collins?

Your obsession with passer rating is destroying your argument. Passer rating shows which QB is the most effecient pocket passer not whic QB is best. I say W-L is a better indicator of who is best, but the QB don't play D.

bottom line the whole "better QB" thing is subjective and your "logic" is suspecious at best.

gunny, i've told you this before. dont try to use logic here.


I should heed your wise advise myself. I've just been arguing with a lot of people that seem to think Coach Fisher forgot how to coach.

Fisher/Titans haters can kiss my :moon2: :moon2: :moon2: ...

i think he played well enough to win.

im so sorry you're sick of me. here's an idea...block me.


Collins did not play well enough to win, unless you are crediting him with those missed FGs and the missed PAT that kept 7 points off the board.

Collins was stinkin' LP field up pretty badly. The fact that the Titans were tied with 6:00ish left in the game is an illusion.

The JETS stomped their guts out for 45 minutes.


As an aside the fans were spot on all day. About the only positive from the game was that the Titans did not quite - YEAH! and the Tennessee fans again showed that they know their football.

This is what makes me sick of people like you. I have used only logic. I gave basic logical reasons why collins is not even as good as aaron brooks or billy volek for that matter.

Who has been right about this collins issue? You telling me he played good on sunday?

Those who think that collins should be the starter look like idiots now yet you have the gall to question my logic?

Do you suffer from Narcissism?

Collins did not play well enough to win, unless you are crediting him with those missed FGs and the missed PAT that kept 7 points off the board.

this is the way im looking at it.

if teflon drew(thanks brian) catches those two deep balls we score at least two field goals. that means we're down by one with 40 seconds left in the game and we're on their 12 yard line. we kick the field goal and win by two...assuming we dont give up a 75 yard drive in 35 seconds.

I should heed your wise advise myself. I've just been arguing with a lot of people that seem to think Coach Fisher forgot how to coach.

Fisher/Titans haters can kiss my :moon2: :moon2: :moon2: ...


Fisher apparently forgot something about coaching cause he not only started that loser Collins he kept him in on the deciding drive, then to compund the decision he kept him in in the redzone when there were more dynamic options available to him.

this is the way im looking at it.

if teflon drew(thanks brian) catches those two deep balls we score at least two field goals. that means we're down by one with 40 seconds left in the game and we're on their 12 yard line. we kick the field goal and win by two...assuming we dont give up a 75 yard drive in 35 seconds.

I get your point, but that is one huge assumption at the end - lol

Career passing rating..
Volek--- 86.9
Brooks--79.6
Collins--73.5

TD to int ratio
Volek---2.0
Brooks--1.42
Collins--1.02

Pass attempts / TDs
Volek--19.8
Brooks--23.2
Collins--27.5


Pass attempts /int
Volek--39.7
Brooks-33.1
Collins--30.4

Did you logical thinkers understand the last 2 stats? Collins needs 8 more pass attempts to produce a Td but 9 fewer to produce an int than billy volek. :sad2:

look, obviously volek did something to make the coaches uncomfortable with him being the starter. whether it be preperation or his attitude towards vince or whatever.

i really do think they were prepared to go with volek until he got injured or until vince was ready.

thats something stats wont tell us. i know what you're thinking "stats not telling the whole story? impossible!" but thats the way it is in this situation.

career passing attempts

Collins - 5120
Brooks - 2785
Volek - 517

:rolleyes:

10 times billy volek was called on to start for this football team. In 8 of those games he performed admirably. Has kerry collins performed well in 80% of his starts?

In chronological order these are volek's passing ratings with TD-ints in those 10 starts.

1. 101.......2-0
2. 89.6......2-0
3. 91.9......2-1
4. 90.5......2-1
5. 88.9......3-2
6. 130.6....4-0
7. 107......4-1
8. 19........0-2
9. 87.6.....1-0
0.72.1.....1-1

That's an average passing rating per start of 87.8
A median passing rating per start of 90.5

In 8 of volek's 10 starts he had more TDs than ints.
In 4 of volek's 10 starts he didn't throw an int at all.

He averaged 2.1 TDs a game and .08 ints..

This is our #3 QB behind kerry collins.. Simple numbers take them anyway you want.

10 times billy volek was called on to start for this football team. In 8 of those games he performed admirably. Has kerry collins performed well in 80% of his starts?
billy volek has lost 70% of his starts.

All you proved is that collin's poor stats are not an illusion or the result of a few bad games. They are the product of a long career of poor play. Simply playing longer and getting more snaps doesn't make a player suck.

How many minimal pass attempts should we use to evaluate performance gunny? If vince young throws 10 passes on sunday and completes 8 of them i'm not allowed to say he played well?

This is not baseball and volek is not a pitcher..

All you proved is that collin's poor stats are not an illusion or the result of a few bad games. They are the product of a long career of poor play. Simply playing longer and getting more snaps doesn't make a player suck.

How many minimal pass attempts should we use to evaluate performance gunny? If vince young throws 10 passes on sunday and completes 8 of them i'm not allowed to say he played well?

No, actually using 'logic', you can correlate a worse TD/INT ratio and TD per pass and INT per pass due to a higher number of passes.

you know, the more i look at volek's stats, the more i think he is a terrible fit for this offense.

in heimerdinger's offense he had a great passer rating(as stat boy already pointed out)

but in the chow offense he has a qb rating around 77.6. his completion % also took a slight dip, which is odd since there are more short passes.

Nooooooooooo..

If i'm a QB and i throw 1000 passes and have 30 ints what reason would there be to think that i will throw more ints in my next 1000 attempts? There is none.

Brett Favre has.

Kurt Warner has.

I suspect Steve McNairs would have changed majorly based on Les Steckal conservative and Heimerdingers more open offense.

That fewer passes and Volek being a back up leads to less game film and Volek has played a lot of poor defences and picked them apart easier.

It does matter and there is reason.

Maybe the reason BOTH mcnair and volek were more effective in dinger's offense is that we had better more experienced WRs like oh derrick mason? Plus bennett was healthy all 2004.

Ok the jets finished 23rd in scoring defense last season. Collins sucked against that!

In volek's 10 starts the average ranking in scoring defense of the team he played was 18th. He did have a 100 passing rating against a bills defense that finished 5th in scoring defense in 2003. An 89 rating against the 11th best defense in 04(SD) and a 90 rating against the 13th best defense(bears).

Maybe the reason BOTH mcnair and volek were more effective in dinger's offense is that we had better more experienced WRs like oh derrick mason? Plus bennett was healthy all 2004.
mcnair was pretty much on par for his career averages in '05. he actually had a better qb rating in '05 than he did in '04.

Ok the jets finished 23rd in scoring defense last season. Collins sucked against that!

different scheme than last year.

2004 was a throw away year for him because of the injury but in dingers offense from 2001-2003 mcnair had an average passing rating of 91 and of course was mvp in 2003. In 2005 it was 82 and while most of us credited that to a decline in ability it had as much to do with personel. That 2003 team was loaded with good Wrs..mason-bennett-mccareins-calico.

If gunny thinks that 24 game appearences is not enough to judge a guy what about one game? Volek only played one game last year. He wasn't horrible either.

from 2001-2003 mcnair had an average passing rating of 91 and of course was mvp in 2003.

so his first three years and his last one as a starter dont count?

I didn't say they don't count just that he was playing better than that before. Of course they count and i made that exact point about 15 times on these boards to illustrate that mcnair was not playing that bad last season. He didn't play bad last year he just doesn't run that much or as well.

If mason and mcareins were here last season i think you will agree that mcnair's stats would have been better right? Closer to that 91 rating he had when he was at his best. My point is that it wasn't chow's system that caused that.

You are right mcnair was just about as good throwing the ball as he always has been. He didn't have good WRs in 98-2000 and you see similar results to last year.

If mason and mcareins were here last season i think you will agree that mcnair's stats would have been better right?
sure, mason was mac's go to guy. but volek's go to guy was still here, and his numbers still suffered. that was my point.

and by the way, mcareins hasnt done much since he has been gone. i would say mac made him look better than he was.

like i said about a page back, volek must have done something to make the coaches feel uncomfortable with him as the starter.

I can't get it to link, but here is the jest of it:

Publicly, Volek put on the best face possible. He said all the right things. He even muzzled uber-agent Drew Rosenhaus, which is like getting Rosie O'Donnell to clam up.

Privately, it's a different story. It hasn't been pretty.

Volek and Fisher had a meeting. There, Fisher critiqued Volek's preseason performance and suggested that a lack of field presence led to the signing of Collins.

In response, Volek critiqued the offense and wondered aloud how any quarterback would succeed in that system, given the team's personnel shortcomings.


This was an article by David Climer in the Jackson TN Sun paper.

your starting qb and leader doesnt call out his guys and start complaining that they arent good enough.

But he shouldn't have said it.

The line about personel shortcomings. He should have waited until givens and jones were healthy to make that judgement and should have kept his mouth shut..

you know, the more i look at volek's stats, the more i think he is a terrible fit for this offense.

in heimerdinger's offense he had a great passer rating(as stat boy already pointed out)

but in the chow offense he has a qb rating around 77.6. his completion % also took a slight dip, which is odd since there are more short passes.

Bingo!

I think that's why Collins was brought in. No changes seen in the pre-season.

you know, the more i look at volek's stats, the more i think he is a terrible fit for this offense.

in heimerdinger's offense he had a great passer rating(as stat boy already pointed out)

but in the chow offense he has a qb rating around 77.6. his completion % also took a slight dip, which is odd since there are more short passes.

Yet you still have to wonder, why bring in a quarterback with an even more questionable completion percentage?

But he shouldn't have said it.

The line about personel shortcomings. He should have waited until givens and jones were healthy to make that judgement and should have kept his mouth shut..
FINALLY...........
A RollTide post I can actually agree with.:lol:

I don't understand your point and you obviously don't get it. A WR core of mccarins, mason and bennett gives you several options for matchups. Are you suggesting that roby is as good as mccariens? Or williams? Because those rookies were playing that same role for much of 2005 that mccareins played in 2003. Hello?

And if bennett was volek's boy in 2004 how did mason get 96 passes his career high? Someone was throwing to him.

What is your basic point anyway that having kerry collins as our QB is a good thing? Bashing volek deflects the the fact that our starting QB this year is a guy who sucks?

You are argueing from a point of weakness given that collins already started and sucked!

What do we have to look forward to this season? At least there was hope in volek now we have guarenteed failure. Thank you jeff fisher!

Terry McCormick said today that KC is saying Green will only be out 2 weeks and they would stick with Huard for that.
If it turns out to be longer, they might be interested.
Volek said on Sportsline last night that KC had called the shark (Rosenhouse) about Volek.

I don't know about the Bennett pass. Looked like it may have been out of his reach.

All the drops were bad though.
He had a linebacker wrapped around his wast on that one.