SUMMARY: Titans fans amaze me sometimes.

Despite a win against the Texans who thumped the Jaguars last week (the same Jags team who took the Eggles to the woodshed yesterday), many fans are focused on statistics instead of the outcome.

"We didn't run the football. We gave up too many yards. Wah, wah, wah."

If disgruntled Titans fans wish to focus on the Texans 427 yards of total offense, 26 first downs and 5.7 yards per carry rushing, let's be sure to not forget the four sacks and six QB hurries on Texans QBs while Vince Young was on his backside only once.

If fans want to point to Texans QB Sage Rosenfels' 116.0 passer rating for the second half, allow me to point to turnovers where the Titans pulled themselves into the plus column for the first time this season by winning the turnover battle 5-0.

Stop the whining. Statistics are for losers.

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Young - B
RB's - C
Oline - B-...good pass blocking...bad run blocking...
TE/WR - D...quit dropping passes or giving up on passes (cough, drew, cough)...
Dline - A-
LB - bulluck/thornton get a C...sirmon gets a D...bad covering on their TE in pass coverage...
DB's - B+....even when Hill was getting burnt, he was in good positions...AJ is just really good...
special teams...A...pac was awesome...and hentrich punted better...
coaching...A...anytime we win, coaching should get an A...

I guess the standards for a titan defense have really nose dived over the years. I guess if we keep a team under 450 yards and 30 points that an accomplishment so good grades all around then? That was an awesome offense we faced.:suspect:

Our secondary sucked and it's lame to say we accomplished something because nobody got 100 yards. Is sage rosenfels an all time great QB now? Is that rookie TE an elite player? Lundy a sure fire hall of fame RB? A bunch of no names run up 427 yards on us but because they fumble bumble and have penalties that means we did something.

The coaching doesn't deserve an A because the defense played poorly and we left hill alone with andre johnson in the red zone.

How many of you are aware that after this game the titans went from 29th in total defense to dead last?

Lundy a sure fire hall of fame RB?
yeah, his bust will be right next to your boy's damien nash.

Stop the whining. Statistics are for losers.

What a fitting quote for our D-coordinator...:moon2: :ha:

The defensive performance was pretty disappointing, but Sage Rosenfels was playing lights out by any standard. He was making throws on the money, even with guys right in his face. It was impressive. It is unlikely he can play like that every week, but he was legitimately good last sunday.

And Mawae, WTF was up with that snap?

I guess the standards for a titan defense have really nose dived over the years. I guess if we keep a team under 450 yards and 30 points that an accomplishment so good grades all around then? That was an awesome offense we faced.:suspect:

Our secondary sucked and it's lame to say we accomplished something because nobody got 100 yards. Is sage rosenfels an all time great QB now? Is that rookie TE an elite player? Lundy a sure fire hall of fame RB? A bunch of no names run up 427 yards on us but because they fumble bumble and have penalties that means we did something.

The coaching doesn't deserve an A because the defense played poorly and we left hill alone with andre johnson in the red zone.

How many of you are aware that after this game the titans went from 29th in total defense to dead last?


They also forced FIVE turnovers, and put Carr on his *** 4 times or more. They also allowed only 22 points, which isn't great, but it was enough to win. Carr has actually had a decent season prior to that game. So yeah, I thought the defense was okay.

I guess it is always a matter of perspective since some would ascertain that the texans just threw the game away with mistakes. If the titans had lost the way the texans did sunday i doubt we would be praising the texan defense for "forcing" 5 turnovers rather we would be angry that we gave the game away.

We do know for a fact that the inability to hold onto the ball was why kubiak benched carr. Carr had 8 fumbles coming into the game..

This season the houston offense has averaged 17 points with 297 yards per game. We gave up 22 points and 427 yards.

prevent defense would have helped them out...but of course you were more happy with a Colts win then a Titans win.

roll, you act as if the ball just fell out of carr's hands. he was sacked and fumbled. those are created turnovers. laboy pressured carr on his int. that was created.

Just for the record, Daniels looks like he's going to be a force for the Texans in the future.

laboy pressured carr on his int. that was created.

No it wasn't. That pass was spot on and just bounced off AJ's hands, who should have caught it easily. Lucky that Pacman made a headsup play to adjust to the tipped ball.

We forced 5 turnovers but if not for the Pacman punt return we lose that game. If you force 5 turnovers and still possibly lose the offense and defense must have stunk.

The best thing the offense did Sunday besides the two TDs was not turn over the football. If the Titans offense can't do a better job possessing the football, it's going to be tough for the defense to stay with these the better offenses they face over the next few weeks.

We were blowing them out tho'. They just got hot at the end and tightened it up. I think we took those five turnovers and delivered.

No it wasn't. That pass was spot on and just bounced off AJ's hands, who should have caught it easily. Lucky that Pacman made a headsup play to adjust to the tipped ball.
i think you've gotten the two picks mixed up. pac's INT was dropped/bobbled by AJ and went into pac's hands. hope's INT was caught cleanly by hope after laboy pressured carr. i remember laboy hitting him because i was afraid it might be called a low hit on the qb.

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I know Mawae is a pro and bad snaps shouldnt happen but as a former center, I'm supprised it doesnt happen more often. That job is a lot more difficult than it appears. He stated it got snaged on the new turf and I for one will give him that one.

i think you've gotten the two picks mixed up.

True I had actually forgotten about Hope's INT.

I was crap**ng myself thinking we were going to lose it at the end, which when you then look at the stats, and the fact we had FIVE turnovers is unbelievable.. heaven knows how the players would have felt if we'd lost..
BUT, and it's a big BUT we won.. let's concentrate on that and hope the players simply take this, continue to build and get tougher.
To me it seems the D are playing much better, Pac is playing much better, now we have decided to go with VY.. everyone's pulling together..
After a few more games - like the Jags this weekend - we'll have a much better idea where we are and just how far different we are from the mess that 'played' Dallas..
Let's enjoy it eh? Who thought we'd win two on the row a few weeks ago?

We played very aggressive. Rosenthal played well against our defense that was poised to hold onto a lead. Remember the horrible call by the officials that negated the catch by Bennett that would have made a 1st down on near the Houston 20. It would have been game over then. I say that really made the game a close one. We were robbed on that call. Everyone needs to quit their crying and look at all of the positive things that happened during the game. That is what we will build on.

Really? We gave up 50 yards more than we have been giving up per game. They ran for 148 yards against us with a 5.7 average and it would have been a lot more but they were playing from behind in the final 20 minutes of the game. Our run defense is simply not acceptable!

This wasn't the colts or bengals we were playing it was the houston texans. Coming into the game the mighty texans(21st in total offense) were gaining an average of 280 yards a game. They got 50% more than that against us.

Really? We gave up 50 yards more than we have been giving up per game. They ran for 148 yards against us with a 5.7 average and it would have been a lot more but they were playing from behind in the final 20 minutes of the game. Our run defense is simply not acceptable!

Didnt the Texans have the ball for almost 40 minutes?

Take away the Defensive TD and Pacmans touchdown and the offense has the ball for longer and thus the Texans offensive yards is significantly shorter.

Didnt the Texans have the ball for almost 40 minutes?

Take away the Defensive TD and Pacmans touchdown and the offense has the ball for longer and thus the Texans offensive yards is significantly shorter.

If only the real world worked like that, but it doesn't.

Look at the Ravens-Saints game. Raven's caused 5 turnovers, 2 of them for TD's, yet still held the ball for 13 minutes more than the Saints. Even though Brees passed for almost 400 yards, limiting the runningbacks to 35 yards obviously made a huge difference in TOP.

Comparing the Ravens defense to our defense to ours is a little silly.

My point was that TOP = more yards (especially on our defense). That is why the Texans had more yards then what we were averaging.

Without the 5 turnovers the texans could have had the ball longer for more plays, more points and more yards. Certainly more points. The turnovers stopped some nice drives.

First turnover a carr int...2nd and 6 at the titan's 28. The texans had driven 35 yards from their own 37.

Carr fumble #1..3rd and 3 at the titan 46. After a penalty the texans started at their own 15 and drove 39 yards to the titan 46.

Carr fumble #2 came after a drive in which the texans went from their own 28 to the titans 26 the texans had driven 46 yards.. That was a 3rd and 5 play.

Remember thwere was another drive where 2 salaam penalties cost them a chance for a TD and they had to settle for 3.

If i'm a texan fan i'm angry at the coaches for not running the ball on 2nd and 4. They also should have run the ball on 3rd and 3.

Just because we scored a non offensive TD and had to give the ball back to the texan's offense doesn't mean we can't stop them. The fact we let them march right down the field only proves how bad we were.

The texans had 10 full possessions of the ball(I'm not including the final play). That's typical. It isn't like the texans had more possessions than normal.

In those 10 possessions we stopped them on downs with no points 3 times. They scored 4 times three of them TDs and they had three nice drives end in turnovers as i illustrated in my last post. 70% of the time they moved the ball on us. They had 427 yards 11 came on the last play. That leaves 416 yards on 10 possessions an average of 41 yards gained with each drive. That's not good defense!

The texans gained 5.6 yards per play. That is not good defense!

No one ever said we were a good defense.

Comparing the Ravens defense to our defense to ours is a little silly.


And comparing the Texans offence to the Saints offence would be a little silly too.


My point was that TOP = more yards (especially on our defense). That is why the Texans had more yards then what we were averaging.

That's really a chicken and the egg discussion. Do you get more yards because you're getting a lot TOP or do you get more TOP because you're getting a lot of yards? In my opinion you only have good TOP by being able to consistently move the football on your opponent, which is exactly what the Texans did. They didn't have 20 3 and out drives, they had 11 drives of 7 plays and 38 yards on average.

man 5+ yards per play is terrible.

I wonder what Baltimore averages.

The offense and defense were both poor., but we finally got the "big plays" that Fisher has been talking about. That's what won the game.

FYI - Total Plays: 79 to 43

man 5+ yards per play is terrible.

I wonder what Baltimore averages.

A yard less at 4.6 per play. However that's factoring in the pass plays, when you look strictly at the run Baltimore is at 2.7 per play and we're at 4.9

yeah it happens every so often, but you hate for it to happen on 3rd and 1.

regardless - Mawae is still a beast and he is playing extremely well!!!