in mcnabb's first four starts he attempted 105 passes, completing 51 which is 48% for 465 yards 3 tds and 2 ints.

rushing yards 154 rush's 0 tds

in vince's first four starts he has attempted 90 passes, completing 44 which is 48% for 466 yards 3 tds and 3 ints.

rushing yards 99 yards 2 tds

hmmmm :suspect:

Why the hmmmmmm, I don't care much about these stats to be honest...

Please don't compare Vince to McNabb......let's hope for better. McNabb is like McNair, sometimes you get a great game, other times he makes the worst mistakes. At least Vince so far has been consistent and hasn't made the big mistake yet.

Vince Young will be better than McNabb and McNair!

Lets all pray for that!

exactly canadian, and the thing is he can run as fast as vick, yes as fast, and is much more accurate (sorry for the vick comparison, but mcnabb isnt good enough to compare to vince, and vick just has speed to compare not an arm)

I'm just waiting for the day when every young rookie QB's numbers are compared to those of Vince Young. :D

but mcnabb isnt good enough to compare to vince,

that is the dumbest thing I have ever read.

exactly canadian, and the thing is he can run as fast as vick, yes as fast, and is much more accurate (sorry for the vick comparison, but mcnabb isnt good enough to compare to vince, and vick just has speed to compare not an arm)
i think he's as fast too... after 10 yards... he doesnt accelerate as fast.. but he is prolly alot harder to tackle... the day i look forward to is when we finally reach the playoffs again and vince puts it all on the line against some defenses... he has the ability to shrug off big men now and break arm tackles... i wanna see him lower his shoulder to get the TD

and the thing is he can run as fast as vick, yes as fast,

:suspect: You have got to be kidding.. Right???:irked:

exactly canadian, and the thing is he can run as fast as vick, yes as fast, and is much more accurate (sorry for the vick comparison, but mcnabb isnt good enough to compare to vince, and vick just has speed to compare not an arm)

For a moment there during the Vick Vince fast as fast Dr Suess thing I thought I was having a reality inversion. :ha:

that is the dumbest thing I have ever read.

Agreed!

I don't think he is as fast as Vick, but he is strangely elusive, as in he doesn't even get touched. He sees the field as he runs better than any other qb. This is what makes him special to me. He has instinct on where to run and how to get there. I think the comparisons to Randall Cunningham are spot on.

people said he wasn't as fast as vick and he couldn't outrun NFL talent. That TD he ran for seemed to put all that to rest. He looked pretty darn fast to me. I've said this all along. Vince is a different monster. He cannot be compared to Vick, McNair, McNabb (all black BTW). If he has 80% of Vick's running ability, and 75% of Elway's passing ability, he'll change the game.

exactly canadian, and the thing is he can run as fast as vick, yes as fast, and is much more accurate (sorry for the vick comparison, but mcnabb isnt good enough to compare to vince, and vick just has speed to compare not an arm)


1. Sorry, not as fast as Vick.

2. He's more accurate than Vick at this point, but not by a lot.

3. The McNabb comment maybe one of the more absurd comments I've seen on this board. I don't even feel like going into it. If we get a McNabb like player out of Vick, then we got good value.

I think Vince is a better runner than Vick. Vick may be faster, but Vick is also 6 feet and on the lighter side. That's why he's gotten the injuries he's gotten. However, Vince is 6'5 and much bigger and has more of a stiff-arm leverage than Vick would. Bottom line, Vick is a Randall Cunningham type runner and Vince is more of a faster McNair/McNabb runner.

Vince Young .................................................. ........................Mike Vick

The gap is the ability to throw the ball, and dont even come at me with the stats of vicks last 2 games, they werent good defenses and half the time the recievers made a great play

Vince does remind me a bit of Cunningham, but Randall was never coached up to stay in the pocket as they are today. Actually Vince isn't like anyone right now, but I think overall his skills will outweigh Vick and several others. He is big enough to stand in the pocket and not panic when a lineman comes at him (he made a nifty little sidestep in the Texans game), but he can run if he has to. His stock went way up last week on one play...it was supposed to be a swing pass but the back was covered...Vince pump faked and pulled the ball down and took off. He didn't gain many yards, but it was exactly the right thing to do. Less mobile QB's would have given up on the play, or thrown the ball for a loss. His decisions are really good for a rookie 4 games into the season. If he ever becomes as accurate as Brady or Manning....look out.

What are you talking about? Mcnabb is one of the elite QBs in this league. The guy will probably be in the hall of fame someday. All he does is win and it doesn't matter who the supporting cast is. He has always produced while taking care of the football. If vince is mcnabb's equal that would be fine with me.

What are you talking about? Mcnabb is one of the elite QBs in this league. The guy will probably be in the hall of fame someday. All he does is win and it doesn't matter who the supporting cast is. He has always produced while taking care of the football. If vince is mcnabb's equal that would be fine with me.


Elite? lol.....I wouldn't go that far. Like McNair, he has made some crucial mistakes at the worst times. They made the SB one time, and like us, didn't win. I doubt they get back there with him at QB. I would set my sights higher and hope he turns out as good as Brady.

Plenty of elite QBs have made inoppurtune mistakes. Is Peyton Manning not an elite quarterback? Rothlisburger? Palmer? You're logic is falty my friend. An elite QB isn't perfect.

I'm tired of people saying I hope Vince turns out to be like McNabb, McNair, someone even threw out there Brady. It doesn't matter who. I want Vince to be his own QB.

I'm tired of people saying I hope Vince turns out to be like McNabb, McNair, someone even threw out there Brady. It doesn't matter who. I want Vince to be his own QB.

Word. I want people to be saying in a couple of years: "well, this guy here's the next Vince Young"!!

I'm tired of people saying I hope Vince turns out to be like McNabb, McNair, someone even threw out there Brady. It doesn't matter who. I want Vince to be his own QB.


I just hope Young turns out to be a avg/decent QB.

I'm tired of people saying I hope Vince turns out to be like McNabb, McNair, someone even threw out there Brady. It doesn't matter who. I want Vince to be his own QB.


They are saying they hope he is as successful as those mentioned, not that he becomes a clone of them.

You don't know what you are talking about. Mcnabb will be in the hall of fame. He has a solid career passing rating of 85 and has more than twice as many career TDs than ints(150-71) which is outstanding. His Td to int ratio is much better than mcnair's and he will be at the top of his game longer. He also fumbles at less than the normal rate for a QB. Taking care of the football is his strong point..

He is still one of the more mobile QBs in the league and is on pace to rush for over 400 yards this year. 4 straight nfc championship games and a super bowl and he won't turn 30 for another 2 months. He has a winning record in the post season(7-5) and has only been part of one losing team since he took over full time as the eagles starting QB in 2000.

Name 5 QBs in this league who are better than mcnabb..

As someone who has McNabb on his fantasy team, he's put up massive numbers. He's had some tough moments including two picks in Tampa and last week but he has to be considered a top 5 QB.

Name 5 QBs in this league who are better than mcnabb..


A quick look at the standings revels that the following QBs are currently better than McNabb:

brady
McNair
Gayton
Garrard / Ironleg Wrongwich
Plummer
Rivers
Other Manning
Bledsoe
Grossman
Huard / Green
Brad Johnson
Mexico
Brees
Wallace / Hasselbeck
Bulger

Ya know who ain't on the list - kerrycollins and RICH GANNON

McNabb blows his chunky soup when things get dicy...

Both you guys continue to amaze at how little you know about football. For GoT this is an all time low and that is truly saying something. Sure there are 15 QBs better than mcnabb with his 97 passing rating.:rolleyes: Nice methodology GoT!

Mcnabb is 5th in passing rating, 1st in yards passing. He has 16 TDs with only 5 picks. He also has 200 yards rushing.

Hoffa's ascertion that mcnabb chokes in big games is a laugh. He has won 7 of 12 playoff games. How many 29 year old QBs have even played in 12 playoff games? He has 18 TDs with 12 ints in the post season which is hardly blowing. He also averages 30 yards rushing per playoff game. Yeah really sucking there.

5 pro bowls by the way. Make it 6 after this season.

Just because the ignorant train runs past your door doesn't mean you guys have to jump aboard every time. ;)

Next time you board that train be sure to get a clue bamma boy.

Every QB I listed currently has their team with a better record than your newest man crush McNabb. Not saying it will end up that way, but that is currently a fact.

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Hoffa's ascertion that mcnabb chokes in big games is a laugh.
You continue to amaze me at your unique ability to put words in my mouth that I didn't say.

I never said he chokes in big games. Are you blind, dense, or just a habitual liar?

I said he "blows his chunky soup when things get dicy". I meant that literally, he THROWS UP (i.e regurgitates stomach contents).
Have you not seen the video of him spewing his stomach contents on the field 2 weeks ago, just like he did in the Superbowl?

He has a weak stomach...I was not referring to whether or not he loses his composure, just that he literally loses what's in his stomach onto the field.
Please don't respond to anymore of my posts, since you have not the ability to understand me.

I will be happy to ignore your boring commentary from now on and not respond to it.

The subject at hand was how good a player donovan mcnabb was not his GI tract. Your post looked like you were saying he couldn't handle pressure. What do i care that he pukes once every few years or not or what he eats before or during a game or what product he sells?

I would rather not respond to anyone who would rather make cute comments than discuss an issue anyway. My time is too valuable for that.

I have the clue murfreesboro boy and i know your point just fine. It's the methodology that sucks. Based on your methodology the two best QBs in the league are your hero peyton(aka gayton) and rex groosman. Rex grossman? Need i say more? Based on that methodology steve mcnair was maybe the 28th best QB last year.

Why would you take a teams record after half a season and base your entire opinion of the QB based on that? Where does that come from? If you want to make the point that david garrard and damon huard are better QBs than mcnabb that's your problem.

If i was you i would delete the post before everyone sees it. Too late!

Murfreesboro is a great town by the way..:wave:

I just hope Young turns out to be a avg/decent QB.
high expectations, huh?

Why would you take a teams record after half a season and base your entire opinion of the QB based on that? Where does that come from?

Because your track record of declaring best QBs is dubious at best. They put teams in the playoffs and give them a shot at the NFL championship based on Ws and Ls not passer rating. Seems like a more than fair criteria.

If you want to make the point that david garrard and damon huard are better QBs than mcnabb that's your problem.

I made the point that at this time they have gotten their teams in a better position than McNabb has gotten his.

If i was you i would delete the post before everyone sees it. Too late!



Thanks for the advice

Dude McNabb is a great player but he will not be a lock to the HOF no matter what stats he puts up unless he wins a SB.

He need two or three attempts to get in IMO.

He has suffered on the big stage to produce but I would say that's down to his supporting cast rather than him as a player. The Birds can't consistently run the ball so they rely heavily on McNabb to win games. Their D can be great but then disapear for 2-3 game stretches.

Against the best teams the Eagles fall short because if you take McNabb out of his game they have little else to make things happen.

high expectations, huh?

you got it.

I will be happy to ignore your boring commentary from now on and not respond to it.

That's all you had to say, but in typical bamatrash fashion you have to spew out your own chunky soup...

Thank you for adding me to your ignore list, and don't respond any more of your lies on me...:p :moon2:

Based on your methodology the two best QBs in the league are your hero peyton(aka gayton) and rex groosman. Rex grossman? Need i say more? Based on that methodology steve mcnair was maybe the 28th best QB last year.


Gayton? What are you....13 years old? Manning could stop right now and be put in the hall of fame. I think you are just remembering all the times Tennessee and Florida tore Bama a new one since you don't like those two QB's.......:ha:

THThunder - RollTide - who is soon to be on everyones ignore list - is the biggest Peyton Manning fan around.
The unsolved mystery about him is why he claims to be a titan fan when all he does is bash the team and blow his load over Peyton any chance he gets.

Ignore lists do work. If "you" can't seem to make a post without a personal attack against another poster, or if you are finding difficulty in responding to someone's post without a personal attack, then immediately place that poster on your ignore list.

There is a way that you can post or respond with your opinion or point without personally attacking someone's knowledge (or lackthereof), hometown or hairdoo. We will still get your point.

I don't make many public announcements, but I wanted to ask everyone who likes to sling the flingflung to use the ignore option or I'll have to become the big bad moderator - and I hate when that happens, it got old years ago. :flame:

"Gayton" is what GoT calls peyton manning. I was trying to make him happy. I have been a manning defender on this board..

I guess you are the only one who didn't know that.

I don't have a problem with hoffa he had a problem with me. Where was my personal attack? I referred to his posts as "boring" which was the most unpleasant thing i said to him and you didn't touch that. The line about putting a boot up his butt was obviously not serious. Geez...

Thanks for the lecture dad..

Using one half season records to determine whether a QB is good or not has got to be the most lame method i have ever heard of. Is rex grossman better than tom brady? According to your methodology he is. What more do you need to know?

I'll put my record of picking the best QB up against you or anyone else any time. I think you are living in a fantasy.

I think it is funny that gunny(like that?) is trying to be bosom buddies with another manning fan. I guess i should be ashamed of myself for defending good players and being critical of bad ones. Only on gotitans is that considered suspect:rolleyes:

How am I trying to be 'bosom buddies' with someone else because I am telling him exactly how you are?

Roll two serious questions on bosom buddies

1. You ever seen a bosom?
2. Do you have any buddies?

Using one half season records to determine whether a QB is good or not has got to be the most lame method i have ever heard of. Is rex grossman better than tom brady? According to your methodology he is. What more do you need to know?

I'll put my record of picking the best QB up against you or anyone else any time. I think you are living in a fantasy.


which set of Ws and Ls would you suggest I use at this point of the season?



And just too make this clear that was just a list of all the QBs with a better WL record than McNabb at this time this year. Looking at that list it is difficult to see how McNabb should be elevated above them all, or even most of them at this time.

"Gayton" is what GoT calls peyton manning. I was trying to make him happy. I have been a manning defender on this board..

I guess you are the only one who didn't know that.


Ah...sorry. I am new here...don't know all the dynamics that go on. Accept my apology.

That would be "Mom" to you son

Ignore list - plain and simple


I don't have a problem with hoffa he had a problem with me. Where was my personal attack? I referred to his posts as "boring" which was the most unpleasant thing i said to him and you didn't touch that. The line about putting a boot up his butt was obviously not serious. Geez...

Thanks for the lecture dad..

Why not evaluate mcnabb based on his whole career not 8 games? He has been a fulltime starting QB for 6 seasons prior to this one. In 5 of those 6 seasons his team made it to the playoffs and won at least one playoff game. If winning is your criteria for determining how good a QB is then mcnabb is one of the best.

how many Ws did the NFL spot the Eagles cause McNabb has won some games in the past?

You said McNabb was the best now, I disagree.

You said name 5 QBs better, I listed about half the starters in the NFL.

I admit I expect the Eagles finish above .500 and in the playoffs, but if the season ended today ...

How am I trying to be 'bosom buddies' with someone else because I am telling him exactly how you are?

Roll two serious questions on bosom buddies

1. You ever seen a bosom?
2. Do you have any buddies?
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Both you guys continue to amaze at how little you know about football. For GoT this is an all time low and that is truly saying something. Sure there are 15 QBs better than mcnabb with his 97 passing rating.:rolleyes: Nice methodology GoT!

Mcnabb is 5th in passing rating, 1st in yards passing. He has 16 TDs with only 5 picks. He also has 200 yards rushing.

Hoffa's ascertion that mcnabb chokes in big games is a laugh. He has won 7 of 12 playoff games. How many 29 year old QBs have even played in 12 playoff games? He has 18 TDs with 12 ints in the post season which is hardly blowing. He also averages 30 yards rushing per playoff game. Yeah really sucking there.

5 pro bowls by the way. Make it 6 after this season.

Just because the ignorant train runs past your door doesn't mean you guys have to jump aboard every time. ;)

McNabb is the best QB in the NFL - SURE HE IS!

Guess you can stop shining that pro-bowl invite for 2006, and you might want to reconsider that trip to Canton you got your heart set on. Maybe give Gannon a call and see if they are replaying the Oakland Tampa Superbowl on NFL network sometime soon.

McNabb is just like McNair, he looks great at times.....then does something really stupid to lose a game.

Pretty sure McNair did a lot to win us games. Remember the Giants game in 2002.