First off, whay follows is my opinion not anything I have heard is the case out of BSP.

I'd let go of LT Sirmon Drew Kinney Pillar.

Id resign Starks and AH to good deals. I would extend Troupe now cheaply. I would go after Justin Smith DE and Mike Lewis S and here is the shocker.................I go after Tony Gonzalez. He just reached milestones in his deal to void the remainder of his deal and the Chiefs can not afford to keep him given their needs and FA losses due to come this yr. They have to rebuild thier OL WR and DL as well as QB and they have a ton of FA that must be replaced. Gonzo with Troupe and VY would create absolute nightmares for any team we faced. Givens Jones and WAde would not have to be elite. This move also would allow us to pass on CJohnson because we would not need him and we could spend the whole draft retooling the D and shoring up the DL MLB and S spots....................I would draft the DE out of Clemson or trade down for Poluszny to play MLB or draft a CB opposite Adam..........................and get picks. My goal would be to totally draft D and maybe one OL in round 3-5 for depth at C or OG. I would also look to secure a back up QB like Wallace or Weinke or draft one in 5-7 and develop....................My stategy would be to build inside up and avoid blowing a top 5 on a WR.................the return on investment for a WR in the top 5 is poor at best and Gonzo will be productive for 2-4 more yrs...............Discuss and let me hear what you think

Chris Weinke still plays?

You mean we should pick Gaines Adams, cos that would be a great move, I like going after Gonzalez, for inexperienced QB's, you feel safe passing to TE's and this would help Young a lot, I agree with you on resighning AL and Starks, and releasing the others, pretty much agree with you on most things there...

yes...........we need a guy who has game day experience but no illusions of starting...........blowing a draft pick on one is not too smart because lets face it............with VY he is not going to sniff the field unless injured. Seneca Wallce fits the bill because the offense would not change one bit with a guy like him............Weinke would not but he has experience and is likely to be dirt cheap. Chris Simms is another but he is so young I doubt he would want a second fiddle spot and not behind VY for obvious reasons...............Kitna is another guy who might be available............

I think we need to go after S, DE, DT. We need a stud at each position. I 100% believe CJ is not the guy we need.

Personally I see MLB as the biggest need on this roster....................we will never go back to a dominant D until we find a sub 4.5 MLB...................

with a top 5 pick there is no MLB or CB or S who fits the bill.................next yrs draft however has tons of CB talent from 12-45.............so in round two one can get one..............only two S will merit top picks......Landry and Merriweather.............that is it. MLB will be there but I dont see FR going MLB or S this high. DE is very likely the only spot I can see us taking one............a dark horse selection could be RB if we let CB and TH go.............Peterson and LW would be awfully tough combo to stop.

I was high on D'Quell and Ryans last year but they were taken early 2nd, perhaps trade for Ray Lewis, I remember debating about that...

I liked AJ Hawk but seeing VY i am glad we got him over AJ...............AJ has been making a ton of plays here lately.

who fills Pacman's spot since he will not be on our roster next year?

i think Adam will be here due to the amortization of his SB.

only LB that would help us...............London Fletcher in the middle...............but he'll be 32 next yr............Briggs and AThomas will be FA but both play outside............Thomas has played inside so he might be on our short list............

No way Reese takes a MLB with a top five pick unless they changed the scheme and kept him on the field more than they have the MLB for the past few seasons.

Clements and Samuel are the only two FA CB.............but Samuel is likely to be back in NE............For S you have Lewis Grant TParrish and KHamlin...........but Hamlin comes with serious baggage

No way Reese takes a MLB with a top five pick unless they changed the scheme and kept him on the field more than they have the MLB for the past few seasons.agree............but what if FR is not here?

the only DL will be Freeney (unlikely) Jared Allen (also unlikely and another reason i think Gonzo is gone in KC) and Terdell Sands............and Sands I think is going to be a great player...........but I bet the Raiders re up him as well............guy is very physical.

the WR crop next yr is horrendous.............Bennett and Curtis are about the only ones worth anything. Bobby Wade however is also on the list...........

agree............but what if FR is not here?
Fisher would be the GM/head coach and take a WR for Vince. ;)

What if Fish is not here either? I just dont think WR is going to be the pick.................the FA class is so bad across the board that prmium money will be paid to very few.............I think you have to target what you need and wont draft............that means pay up for the LB or OL or WR..........and go draft the hard to find players..............DE DT and CB come to mind.

Are you saying KC will pay for Jared Allen rather than Gonzo...

I like the idea Bongo. Gonzo would be a nice addition, but I'm worried he may run out of gas and take away opportunities from Troupe - not to mention the cash he will warrant. I'm also scared this would result into another '05 season, with our TE's getting the bulk of the balls. However, this would not push us into taking someone like CJ and allow us to reshore our D. I like Poluszny alot, I liked him ever since last year and prayed he came out then. I think he could really be special, but wouldn't he be a waste in our 4-3 scheme - especially if we took him high? Gaines Adams is another good selection, but is he worth a top 5 or 10 pick? He's no Kearse/J Pepp., but those two are one time occurances it seems.

From my view, I think we need to do a little FO retooling - that's where things should start. Next, assess the FA market. Do we want productive Vets who are winding down(Gonzo), rather than middle tear, younger guys who are solid(Hope) and somewhat cheaper? Also, do we want to spend a big chunk of that 40mil? in cap space or use maybe a 1/3rd and be sure we don't wind up in cap hell again? There's a lot of football left to be played in the pros and college level and a lot can change between now and then. I honestly think CJ is going to get a great deal of attention from our organization and make it tough on us not to select him. Things are still pretty fuzzy, but come New Years I think we'll have a clearer view of what will happen to this organization - hopefully management doesn't axe somebody that doesn't deserve to be.

Are you saying KC will pay for Jared Allen rather than Gonzo...No question that they will..............Gonzo knows it as well...............This is the guy I would go after hard...............He would make such a splash with Troupe Scaife and the other WR and VY..............no team would be able to handle the match ups and both TE could line up in the Slots as WR..............so you kill two birds with one stone.

I like the idea Bongo. Gonzo would be a nice addition, but I'm worried he may run out of gas and take away opportunities from Troupe - not to mention the cash he will warrant. I'm also scared this would result into another '05 season, with our TE's getting the bulk of the balls. However, this would not push us into taking someone like CJ and allow us to reshore our D. I like Poluszny alot, I liked him ever since last year and prayed he came out then. I think he could really be special, but wouldn't he be a waste in our 4-3 scheme - especially if we took him high? Gaines Adams is another good selection, but is he worth a top 5 or 10 pick? He's no Kearse/J Pepp., but those two are one time occurances it seems.

From my view, I think we need to do a little FO retooling - that's where things should start. Next, assess the FA market. Do we want productive Vets who are winding down(Gonzo), rather than middle tear, younger guys who are solid(Hope) and somewhat cheaper? Also, do we want to spend a big chunk of that 40mil? in cap space or use maybe a 1/3rd and be sure we don't wind up in cap hell again? There's a lot of football left to be played in the pros and college level and a lot can change between now and then. I honestly think CJ is going to get a great deal of attention from our organization and make it tough on us not to select him. Things are still pretty fuzzy, but come New Years I think we'll have a clearer view of what will happen to this organization - hopefully management doesn't axe somebody that doesn't deserve to be.

The FA class next yr is as poor as I have ever seen............so having cap money is a mixed blessing.............I think next yr you pay to get two impact guys.............Fletcher and Gonzo and maybe get S............S depth is great FA wise.............the draft is where I think you get your DE or DT.................

And I would clean house in the FO..............and the DC............I would keep Chow for continuity for VY.

Some good things to think about for sure. I like the idea of going after a lot of D next year as well. Baltimore, and Chicago seem to be doing fine with a dominate D.

you could go CJohnson if you sign a S to complement Hope, Justin Smith, Fletcher and maybe Clements...............if we got a S CB DE and MLB in FA then I would be all for taking a flyer on a WR...........but I would rather have Adrian Peterson over Johnson.............Peterson would help immediately but Johnson likley would not and people forget we have nobody but LW next yr...............THenry and CB are likely goners..............

so im assuming Tulloch isnt the answer @ MLB as is Fuller/Lowry @ FS?

What if Fish is not here either? I just dont think WR is going to be the pick.................the FA class is so bad across the board that prmium money will be paid to very few.............I think you have to target what you need and wont draft............that means pay up for the LB or OL or WR..........and go draft the hard to find players..............DE DT and CB come to mind.
Personally, with all things being equal, I take DE.

Like you, I want a difference-making MLB but that may be something that can be addressed by another team making a cap cut or Tulloch. Same for CB. I'd love more experience here with someone who can mentor Pacman even if Hill is the future.

If they think Haynesworth is worth investing in, he could be a bargain after all this mess and maybe take a shorter deal with a ton of incentives (along with a few clauses). I don't see drafting a DT in the top five unless there are no plans to keep Starks or Long.

It's all very premature. I think a lot will become more obvious as the season wears on and weak areas will become more defined.

Agreed. Bongo, do you think we will seriously get rid of THenry as well?

Personally I see MLB as the biggest need on this roster....................we will never go back to a dominant D until we find a sub 4.5 MLB...................

we will never return to a dominant D until we start blitzing more and until we replace Hill and Thompson

and considering the odds that at some point Pac can (a) get arrested (b) get suspended (c) get shot at, it is IMPERATIVE that we go Corner- I also wouldn't mind having another safety like Hope

I'd love to have some speed in the middle too ,.... but not at the continued expense at a perennial bottom-feeding secondary

I definitely think Haynesworth is worth keeping without a doubt, with all the media attention from that game, he sure has learned his lesson, and imo, he's a pro bowl DT...

so im assuming Tulloch isnt the answer @ MLB as is Fuller/Lowry @ FS?I think he is but fisher would rather have a guy in the right place over a guy who will make plays

no wonder sirmon is getting blown up by the OL and FB's only to tackle the runner 20 yards down the field. 59 is atrocious...

I think he is but fisher would rather have a guy in the right place over a guy who will make plays

:huh:

and our run defense is even more horrid...

:huh:
should be obvious................that is why KC is here too...............Fisher hates players who dont know their assignments.............he wont let them play........some players never know what their assifgnment is but they know how to make tackles...............with time they pick things up.............Tulloch is that player.

so i guess he'd rather have sirmon make a tackle 12 yards down the field as opposed to tulloch making a tackle for a -3 loss :crazy:

Clements and Samuel are the only two FA CB.............but Samuel is likely to be back in NE............For S you have Lewis Grant TParrish and KHamlin...........but Hamlin comes with serious baggage

Parrish is a gun, but no way the 49ers get rid of him.

I saw some footage of Sirmon making a lot of tackles, these tackle were after Lundy had gotton the 1st down, I say put Tulloch in there and see what he can do...

i think Henry and AH are goners................

I'd rather keep Henry than Brown

I'd spend big money to get Clements from Buffalo to line up across from Pacman. Not sure there are any other big additions I'd make. But if I had any reason to believe that Freeney would be available, I'd pull a Brinks truck up to his house...

I'm not convinced that Gonzalez is worth big money at this point, but it could certainly be an option if they want to compete immediately.

I'd like to see Tulloch at MLB and either Fuller or or Landry take Thompson's starting safety job. No need to spend much money there. And I'd go with LenDale White at RB and add a backup in the draft.

I'd definitely go DLine in the draft, especially if they can get a stud DE.

I'd rather keep Henry than BrownNot with an $8M bonus...

I'd let them both go.

$8 M bonus ? .... well, that changes things a bit

but then again with the amount of room we will have in the offseason and the total cap and lack of solid FA market, why not go ahead and spend the money if the FO doesn't intend to spend it in other places

Here's an early 2007 FA list for anyone who wants to see who is expected to be there:
http://www.footballsfuture.com/2007/nfl/freeagents.html

$8 M bonus ? .... well, that changes things a bit

but then again with the amount of room we will have in the offseason and the total cap and lack of solid FA market, why not go ahead and spend the money if the FO doesn't intend to spend it in other placesI'd rather use that left over cap space giving roster bonuses to guys to free up future cap room.

The FA list is weak....................A GM has to look at the FA available look at needs and the cap and target a few players and go after what ever they lack in the draft..................that task will be hard come Feb................the other thing that could happen is some good players coming free because of money.....................SK no way JAllen or Freeney get freedom.............Justin Smith is likely the only guy who makes it...............and I think we will target him a S and another guy like Gonzo................

you can not give THenry 8 mil when he is one test away from a yr away.....................I'd let him walk.................there will be many guys shown the door...............and if Fish leaves many more who some here wont believe will be gone as well..................this roster is loaded with coaches pets.

I'd trade down and draft D in the first, specifically S or DE. In the second I'd look for best of either the CBs, MLBs, or O-Line. I think we've gotta do some trading down in the first and trading up out of the later rounds to get some
2nd, 3rd, and 4th round picks. Going back to MLB, I think we need to get Tulloch some starts and find out what he's made of. I'm still thinking he was our steal of the draft this year.

Tony G. is an interesting wrinkle, but it could crowd things. If this was a choice between him and Calvin Johnson, I think I'd go Johnson. On the other hand, maybe we could use 3 TE's a lot and get down the field with that more than we did last year with Kinney. But the perfect world is a true #1 and Troupe a true #1 TE. We can dream.

If a guy like Gaines proves to be worth our pick, I like DE a lot. I guess trade down talk will be big again this year. But I'd take Freeney if there's a chance.

We need another CB for sure. Anyone seen a lot of Clements? His name gets brought up a lot.

I can't see spending a 1st on a MLB. Who knows if Tulloch will get his shot though. We've had lots of hype for mostly mid round guys that we thought would turn into starters someday, but things didn't work that way.

I'd like to see Henry's contract restructured and AH signed longer for a fairly good deal.

Who knows about our S's, but I like Laron Landry. He's a very good all around S. Coverage, tackling, toughness....a bigger Blaine Bishop?

you can not give THenry 8 mil when he is one test away from a yr away.....................I'd let him walk.................there will be many guys shown the door...............and if Fish leaves many more who some here wont believe will be gone as well..................this roster is loaded with coaches pets.

Henry's contract isn't up after this year, is it? He's got another 2 years at 1 million a year I believe.

Henry's contract isn't up after this year, is it? He's got another 2 years at 1 million a year I believe.not true..............he pushed a ton of money back til 07 because of his behavior last yr...............by doing so he made himself a FA unless he redoes the deal on our terms...............which many believe is unlikely

Tony G. is an interesting wrinkle, but it could crowd things. If this was a choice between him and Calvin Johnson, I think I'd go Johnson. On the other hand, maybe we could use 3 TE's a lot and get down the field with that more than we did last year with Kinney. But the perfect world is a true #1 and Troupe a true #1 TE. We can dream.

If a guy like Gaines proves to be worth our pick, I like DE a lot. I guess trade down talk will be big again this year. But I'd take Freeney if there's a chance.

We need another CB for sure. Anyone seen a lot of Clements? His name gets brought up a lot.

I can't see spending a 1st on a MLB. Who knows if Tulloch will get his shot though. We've had lots of hype for mostly mid round guys that we thought would turn into starters someday, but things didn't work that way.

I'd like to see Henry's contract restructured and AH signed longer for a fairly good deal.

Who knows about our S's, but I like Laron Landry. He's a very good all around S. Coverage, tackling, toughness....a bigger Blaine Bishop?
LaRon Landry is alot better than Bishop..............Landry is going to be a HOF type player.

Ok, then I don't see him coming back next year either. White looks good when he gets a hole. I love a running back who always gets tackled falling forward. I wish we could see him run it more.

Gaines Adams or LaRon Landry would be perfectly fine with me, either or fills a major need for us, both of which are potentially impact players at their respective positions.

Gaines Adams or LaRon Landry would be perfectly fine with me, either or fills a major need for us, both of which are potentially impact players at their respective positions.

I totally agree. Are there any scouting reports on these guys I can look at?

Henry's contract isn't up after this year, is it? He's got another 2 years at 1 million a year I believe.The Titans would also have to pay him an $8M bonus to keep him for next year. That's not going to happen.

The key to 2007 offseason is finding out this yr whether Tulloch, Fuller/Lowery are starting quality guys.

This yrs draft is going to be very deep at safety and CB which is very good for us. It also looks to have several very solid MLBs which means one will probably be on the board early in the 2nd rnd. It is shaping up to be a very weak draft from the 5-9 range. So if we are in that area then I'd look to trade down if possible. This draft is also going to be fairly decent at WR if the juniors that are expected to come out do indeed declare.

This yr everyone is going to over pay for FAs. That being the case I'd spend our money on the best CB or DE available.

The FA list is weak....................A GM has to look at the FA available look at needs and the cap and target a few players and go after what ever they lack in the draft..................that task will be hard come Feb................the other thing that could happen is some good players coming free because of money.....................Of course, with the bigger salary cap it's that much easier for teams to keep those players. I doubt anyone especially good will be cut. Probably just older vets who have outlived their usefulness.

SK no way JAllen or Freeney get freedom.............Justin Smith is likely the only guy who makes it...............and I think we will target him a S and another guy like Gonzo................I don't think Freeney or Allen will be there. Of course, Allen's off the field troubles might make him a problem even if were available.

I have a completely mad but perhaps plausible possibility: Trade for Randy Moss.

Moss has huge base salaries each of the next 2 years ($9.75M and $11.25M), which we would more than enough room for. The Raiders want to get rid of him. If we could get him for a mid-round pick (who else would want to take on his salary?), wouldn't that be worth it?

Simeon Rice also has a particularly large salary. The Bucs might be willing to trade him if they need cap help.

What makes you guys think the Titans will finish in the bottom 5 of the NFL? If the Titans pick at spot number 8-12, and if he's (CJ) available, I say they go after Calvin Johnson.
Joe Thomas as a top 5 pick would be good. VY needs the protection and a blocker to spring the RBs loose. A true big play WR is hard to find. How many Randy Moss or TOs do you find out there? Therefore, pick CJ if the price is right!


After saying all this, Gaines Adams would be my pick if the Titans gets top 5 pick. You don't trade down, you draft the best player available.

Signing Gonzo would jack me up but I think it's a big dream.

Jeff Samardzija will drop to the mid-upper 30s in ranking. If the Titans do suck the rest of the season, I'd go with Adams (DE) and Samardzijia (WR).

depends on what you're building for... the current philosophy is that you pay edge players on defense (including DE's, olb, and CB's), QB, LT, and power back on offense.. the rest need to be solid players

LaRon Landry is alot better than Bishop..............Landry is going to be a HOF type player.

Wow, those are very bold statements. I haven't seen Landry play yet, I'll definitely keep an eye on LSU from now on.

You trade down if you don't think that a guy grades out to be worth the spot that you are picking in and I don't think that their will be 10 guys that truely warrant being picked top 10. Personally I don't think that Gaines is a top 5 pick. I've tried to watch several Clemson games and haven't come away too impressed.

SK- I like your idea of a trade, but just don't see the FO wanting to take that chance with Moss. I'd rather trade up and get CJ. Would cost about the same as Moss from a cap standpoint. I don't think you have to have a true #1 WR to be successful, but it certainly would be nice to have a guy other than VY that a team had to gameplan for.

good thread...

got me thinking alot about the future

I like the idea of getting Gonzo, but am not sold on how realistic that would be for some reason...

My pick for a FA LB is Thomas from Baltimore...we use him as everything...when we go to nickel, he slides down to DE...he has played just about every position while at baltimore...

I would let Big Al go...which would mean we need to sign or draft a good DT...

If we can restructure Henry, I'd like to...

you can not give THenry 8 mil when he is one test away from a yr away.....................I'd let him walk.................there will be many guys shown the door...............and if Fish leaves many more who some here wont believe will be gone as well..................this roster is loaded with coaches pets.

I know you think that Fish is a goner, but I'd bet a hefty sum he's safe. Fisher is an above average coach. Unfortunately, I would rather stick with a known commodity rather than risking bringing in a new coach. I wouldn't have one problem replacing Reese and Schwartz.

As far as signing anyone, I'll gladly take anyone on Chicago's defense, please.

i like the FA ideas here...
but i think we have to go WR this year and big.
vince was used to being able to throw the ball up to BIG guys in college...
Cjohnson would be great but if we could snag ole 6'5 limas sweed... i think i could see us going that direction. would much rather have johnson than gonzales if it came between the two. gonzales would be great for troupe and vince... but wont be around long... already not having a very good season.
Calvin johnson could realisticly be around for the rest of vince's career

I have a completely mad but perhaps plausible possibility: Trade for Randy Moss.

Moss has huge base salaries each of the next 2 years ($9.75M and $11.25M), which we would more than enough room for. The Raiders want to get rid of him. If we could get him for a mid-round pick (who else would want to take on his salary?), wouldn't that be worth it?

Simeon Rice also has a particularly large salary. The Bucs might be willing to trade him if they need cap help.
AJones and AH make this implausible in Nashville. Football wise it make s great sense.

Id resign Starks and AH to good deals. I would extend Troupe now cheaply. I would go after Justin Smith DE and Mike Lewis S
mike lewis just got benched by the eagles because he was awful in coverage.

Reviewing that FA list Starkiller posted, an interesting player is Nate Clements. What do you guys think?

He's the only big name guy likely to be out there I would shell out big bucks for.

FWIW, don't all coaches have 'pets'?

Id resign drew bennett, get a saftey, an o lineman, trade chris brown, and draft all dl and cbs

the only DL will be Freeney (unlikely) Jared Allen (also unlikely and another reason i think Gonzo is gone in KC) and Terdell Sands............and Sands I think is going to be a great player...........but I bet the Raiders re up him as well............guy is very physical.
Your Not getting terdel Sands. Raiders patience with him has finally paid off. The way he has looked this year, he looks like a future probowler. T Sands and Tom Kelly(best allround dlineman) are the two DTs Raiders will be building their interior of Dline around. In fact Raiders are one DE opposite D Burgess from having a championship caliber defense.

BTW. Off topic all the ridicule I took on this board about my prediction of J Fargas and Raiders defense. Well Fargas is looking very good right about now and Raiders very young defense has been very good. Time to give me my props.

it's just a matter of time until fargas gets hurt, and you know it. he's just like chris brown. get's a bunch of 0-3 yard runs and breaks a long one to make his YPC look pretty.

he doesnt even have a game with over 70 yards.

http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/395956/gamelogs/2006

LaRon Landry is alot better than Bishop..............Landry is going to be a HOF type player.

with a top 5 pick there is no MLB or CB or S who fits the bill.

a hall of fame type player isnt worth a top five pick?

sure but we dont value Sor MLB at all and there is no way we blow that high a pick on one.............so i dont see either here.

Y'know, on ESPN Radio yesterday, a Miami sportwriter mentioned the possibility of the Fins trading away Jason Taylor or Zach Thomas this offseason....both guys are still playing at a high level, but the team has so many needs at other positions, they'll probably end up trading one or both of them. This will help their cap situation immensely, and they need the extra picks so they can start rebuilding.

I know, Taylor and Thomas have an awful lot of miles on them, but I think there's still a lot of tread on those tires....especially Taylor. If the Fins will take a second-day pick for him, I'd jump on it.

If the Fins will take a second-day pick for him, I'd jump on it.
there are probably 30 other teams who would jump on it too. it would definiately help our pass rush though.

it's just a matter of time until fargas gets hurt, and you know it. he's just like chris brown. get's a bunch of 0-3 yard runs and breaks a long one to make his YPC look pretty.

he doesnt even have a game with over 70 yards.

http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/395956/gamelogs/2006
No Not this year, Fargas has been playing hurt but he running like a totally diffrent runner. He has been more impressive than L jordan.(hits the hole alot quicker ) Raiders RBs have all been banged up. They are using a RB by committee now. Thats a big reason why he dosen;t have a game over 70 yards. The biggest reason is The raiders oline is not very good right now(unbelievable amount mental mistakes they make every week)
Raiders won't do anything on offense till those five guys up front start playing alot better. once they do than you will see the firepower Raiders have on offense.

there is no doubting they have fire power on offense, especially at WR. i just dont think fargas or walter are any good. i mean, if you take away that 48 yard run his YPC is pretty pedestrian.

not hard to be more impressive then Lamont Jordan, he's not good.

there are probably 30 other teams who would jump on it too. it would definiately help our pass rush though.
This is just me, I know AL davis would never do it. I would trade Randy Moss to the Dolphins for Jason taylor.
Randy moss would be reunited with D culpepper. Would do wonders for the Dolphins offense. N saban background is defense and he could build back the defense. Raiders would get the final piece to their Dline and defense.
Raiders would have chamionship caliber defense. A Dline of lde D Burgess DT Terdel sands Dt Tom kelly and RDE J taylor would be incredible.

there is no doubting they have fire power on offense, especially at WR. i just dont think fargas or walter are any good. i mean, if you take away that 48 yard run his YPC is pretty pedestrian.
Raiders have their QB Andrew walter and have their RB tandem. Like i Said you not going to see it, until offense line start playing alot better. Thats the only thing stopping the Raiders from winning alot of football games.
J fargas didn't break any big runs against the steelers last week(who does) or had a very impressive stats against Steelers ,but he was a big part of a reason why they beat the Steelers.

not hard to be more impressive then Lamont Jordan, he's not good.
BOth are very very good. Thunder(L Jordan) and Lightning (Fargas). Hey like my defense prediction,(in time) we will wait till Raiders oline starts playing alot better. Once that happens you will the firepower raiders have on offense.

:rolleyes:

deja vu

Randy Moss and Dante Culpepper don't get along. That's part of the reason Moss was out of Minnesota to begin with.

Starkiller, I like the idea of pulling Moss away, but what about Joey Porter? He wants out more than Moss...Either may be a nice 1-for-1 swap for PacMan. I know we don't REALLY need a WR over a CB, but with Clements out there....

Randy Moss and Dante Culpepper don't get along. That's part of the reason Moss was out of Minnesota to begin with.

Starkiller, I like the idea of pulling Moss away, but what about Joey Porter? He wants out more than Moss...Either may be a nice 1-for-1 swap for PacMan. I know we don't REALLY need a WR over a CB, but with Clements out there....
NO randy Moss and D culpepper are friends again. They talk twice a week.
Raiders wouldn't have any intrest in Pacman jones as they are very very deep at the CB position. Maybe you can do a Justin Miller(jets) for Pacman Jones trade. Both are very exciting return man who need alot of work as Cbs.

pacman does not need work at corner. he's given up one td this season.

pacman does not need work at corner. he's given up one td this season.
Just because opposing QBs are finding easier marks on defense than pacman jones. (IE Throwing on other Cbs) That could explain why he only gave one td up. That stat dosen't mean anyuthing and make pacman jones a good CB. Again hes no fabian washington. Just like I predicted.

oh please. have you actually watched him this season? this is not the same pacman jones that got abused last year.

pfft Pacman would tear apart those retards from Oakland.

Starkiller, I like the idea of pulling Moss away, but what about Joey Porter? He wants out more than Moss...
I assume you mean Jerry Porter. Nah, I've never been a big fan of Porter.

oh please. have you actually watched him this season? this is not the same pacman jones that got abused last year.

Yes I did, I believe I saw Pacman Jones on Cops. What you going to do when they come for you. Bad Boys bad Boys.

oh please. have you actually watched him this season? this is not the same pacman jones that got abused last year.

Of course he hasn't. Just his typical trolling :sleepy:

Coach: Jeff Fisher
DC: Jim Washburn or Dave McGinnis
OC: Norm Chow

QB: Young/FA/Mauck
RB: White/Brown/Ganther
FB: Hall/Cramer
TE: Troupe/Scaife/Hartstock
WR: FA/Givens/Jones/Wade/Williams/Roby
T: Roos/Stewart/Loper/FA
G: Olson/Bell/Amano/FA
C: Mawae/FA

DE: VandenBosch/FA/Laboy/Odom
DT: Smith/Starks/Brown/Malehona
OLB: Bulluck/Thornton/Nande/FA
MLB: Tulloch/FA
CB: Jones/FA/Finnegan/Hill/Waddell
FS: FA/Fuller
SS: Hope/Lowry

K: FA
P: Hentrich

We need serious changes, I've noticed this over the year. A proven kicker would be nice, another MLB, FS, CB, DE, G, QB. Bennett, Woolfolk, Thompson, Collins, Schwartz, Pillar, Haynesworth, Sirmon, Any other backups not mentioned and Henry all must leave this team. I used to think Floyd was great in the draft but it turns out theres enough flops over the years. I think at this point those are our pressing needs at this point. Brown will be back at a low tender.

i think bironas has been very solid.

i forgot about rien long