SUMMARY: Pacman Jones may be suspended today for at least one game for an incident last week where he is accused of spitting on the face of a TSU co-ed following argument at a downtown nightclub. "(Jones) is responsible for what he does off the field as well as he is responsible for what he has done on the field," Coach Jeff Fisher said. "When he leaves this building he needs to make better choices. He has not proven, if in fact this is going where it is going, that he can do that yet. And until he does he is going to have a difficult time." Fisher said owner Bud Adams has given him permission to administer whatever punishment he feels appropriate. "Mr. Adams is going to back whatever decision I make from a disciplinary standpoint and how far I want to take it. He sees improvement with this team, he feels this team has taken a step forward, and we can't afford to take a step backwards off the field."

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I don't know if he has a father or not, but hopefully someone can provide just a little discipline in his life. He hasn't done anything he can't come back from, and maybe sometimes he wassn't even in the wrong, but you take baby steps towards pure evil and he's definately taking baby steps. If this is the line, I say draw it before it gets ugly. The season is a loss anyway. Let's do it.

so far Jones has been lucky, he seems to only spit in a woman's face.

I have a feeling this thread may get a bit nasty.

*Watches the haters crawl out of the woodwork*



If he spit in a girls face, then I have no problem with him being disiplined. Better late than ever Jeff...

suspension could be for a maximum of 4

we need to draft a CB within the 1st 2 rounds

we need to draft a CB within the 1st 2 rounds
yeah, to replace hill.

we need to draft a CB within the 1st 2 rounds

yeah, to replace hill.

and to replace Jones. Like I said, so far he has been lucky. He may eventually come across someone who won't take his Bullsh1t. He could end up in jail or dead.

I think the Titans have also thought about that.

He may eventually come across someone who won't take his Bullsh1t. He could end up in jail or dead.

Nah, he only gets into it with girls...

we will not replace jones. whether you like him or not, the kid can play. the titans will cross that bridge when it comes, but until then he will be our best corner.

i guess im just different than a lot of people. i understand that football is entertainment and dont worship these guys like some people do. i root for the guys on the field and frankly dont give a damn what they do off.

While I'm in complete agreement that if someone is found guilty that they need to be punished. This story has "set-up" written all over it.

First let me say that Pac shouldn't have gone out that night period...Especially if he was given leave from practice for flu symptoms. That is wrong and if they fined him for that then that's OK.

Second this girl and her best friend have are probably lying. Number 1: Who in their right mind will let someone spit in their face without losing it(especially sistas from TSU), or without calling the cops. Especially if it was Pac. This smells like they want money and their coming up with a story due to Pac's past...it's not surprising.

I will say that because of Pac's history he will continue to get into trouble(unless he stays away from outside influences) because there are people out there who will continue to do this.

First let me say that Pac shouldn't have gone out that night period...Especially if he was given leave from practice for flu symptoms. That is wrong and if they fined him for that then that's OK.

i think there was some confusion on when he went out. bongo reported it was the night he left practice. the tennessean reported it was the night before.


While I'm in complete agreement that if someone is found guilty that they need to be punished. This story has "set-up" written all over it.
i agree, only to show there is no preferential treatment to jones.

That's nice. Teach your kids that it's ok to be a thug or a nuisance to society as long as you play good on the field. How noble and grown up of you. I think he is a great player with loads of talent but you can't just go around doing whatever you like off the field just because you feel you are irreplacable. Everyone can be replaced. We are stuck with him for a few more years but unless he changes who he hangs around with and how he behaves off the field, then he will be gone as soon as the cap will allow. I hate to lost his talent but a line has to be drawn somewhere as to what you will allow players to do and get away with.

yeah, im also one of those people who dont think athletes are role models. we've gone over this before and i know im in the minority and dont feel like getting in to it again.

question...what night did this occur relative to him leaving practice b/c of the flu?

question...how was this girl able to save this spit? If someone spit on my face, instincts would be to wipe, then punch/slap/shove...and she had a baggie handy to do this with?

question...are there witnesses that saw him spit on her?

question...are there witnesses that saw him leave at midnight, while the spitting incident occurred at 1am?

question...what night did this occur relative to him leaving practice b/c of the flu?

bongo said the night he was excused, the tennessean said the night before(1 am thursday morning)

question...how was this girl able to save this spit? If someone spit on my face, instincts would be to wipe, then punch/slap/shove...and she had a baggie handy to do this with?

yeah, i guess she carries a baggy with her at all times

question...are there witnesses that saw him spit on her?
reportedly yes


question...are there witnesses that saw him leave at midnight, while the spitting incident occurred at 1am?
reportedly yes

those last two are what make things so hard to tell what really happened

Your telling me theres witnesses who say he supposedly left at 12 a.m. when the incident supposedly occured at 1 a.m.? This does have set up written all over it. Don't get me wrong, I don't condone his antics and the fact that he left practice under faulty claims, but you gotta think this is nothing more than a quick cash fix. If this woman wins under these "foggy" allegations, than I will have lost all respect for this countries judicial system. Our judicial system is really starting to turn into a lottery for dead-beats who prey on the "faulty" characterisitcs of those better off than them. This case will most likely end with an out-of-court settlement.

DISCLAIMER: In NO way, shape, or form am I defending Pacman's antics. I just don't feel that theres enough "conclusive" evidence from either party in this case to force action. However, I believe Pacman should be suspended regardless of this, for his deception.

bongo said the night he was excused, the tennessean said the night before(1 am thursday morning)

yeah, i guess she carries a baggy with her at all times
reportedly yes


reportedly yes

those last two are what make things so hard to tell what really happened

there are witnesses who say Lee Harvey Oswald was in the library when JFK was shot, Aliens sightings, Loch Ness Monster, Elvis still alive, Tupac still alive.

'Witnesses' will say anything.

suspension could be for a maximum of 4

:rolleyes: why sensationalise the incident?

LenDale got one game for spitting, Pacman will get the same if guilty.

Don't get me wrong, I don't condone his antics

if it never happened then there were no antics.

and the fact that he left practice under faulty claims

There are conflicting stories on this.

:rolleyes: why sensationalise the incident?

LenDale got one game for spitting, Pacman will get the same if guilty.


diffferent situations

a loogie is a loogie is a loogie

still doing one at work vs doing it in the public will be looked at differently. Plus it doesn't help he has a track record of spitting on women

regardless he won't get anywhere near 4 games.

there are witnesses who say Lee Harvey Oswald was in the library when JFK was shot, Aliens sightings, Loch Ness Monster, Elvis still alive, Tupac still alive.

'Witnesses' will say anything.

Tupac is alive, what are you talking about... ;)

It sucks for the team. I like Pacman as a player a lot but am getting tired of his off-field tantrums. No, I'm not saying cut him, no way, I'm just saying suspend him the full 4 games. Like it or not, despite the success enjoyed the past 3 games, we won't make the playoffs, so might as well go for a higher pick. Please note I'm only saying this because without Pacman, we're toast with a capital T. Pacman shuts down his receiver every week, and has for most of the time he's started his career. And he's a threat on PR, as he has shown many times.

We're toast, yet we have to be toast, because all of Pacman's BS has to stop right $%/$%%$ now. That's why I hope he's suspended 4 games. If he loves the game, it's gonna eat away at him and he'll be pissed at himself and stand a better chance of getting over this. He needs to realize he's not in WV anymore living the life as a star college athlete. He has a job now, one that should one day pay him extremely well.

We've seen what players with loads of talent do to screw it all up. Look at Jones' former college teammate, Chris Henry. He's obviously Palmer's favorite target, he is on a team with depleted depth at WR, and yet, he does all he can to screw it up, and as early as November 27th, could be suspended for the rest of the year by the NFL.

Pacman should take advantage of this "opportunity" to get counseling on anger management. And how to hang with the right people. When he comes off the sus, Titans should install a harsh curfew on him, like 10 PM during the season. It's the only way he'll get over this.

It is unfortunate for the team, which is on a mini roll right now but looks to have that come to a screeching halt if Pacman is not in the lineup for the next month. Unfortunate, but necessary

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It is completely retarded to suspend Pac for an ALLEGED incident which at best is hardly believable.

1. Pac denied it happened.
2. The girl(s) say it did.
3. Both have witnesses.
4. The girl saved the spit. (quite bizarre)

Let due process work it out whether or not it goes from alleged to real. Until then, let Pac play. Alternatively, Fish could consider punitive action that he was there in the first place- but he'd have to uphold the same standard (curfew) of rules for every player- not likely to happen.

there are witnesses who say Lee Harvey Oswald was in the library when JFK was shot

It was a book depository, and he was definetly there (he was employed by them), question is whether he fired any shots and/or if someone else did the shooting.

But back to the case at hand, it's pointless for us to come to any conclusions at this point since we obviously don't have all the facts. Until we know what statements the police have from the various guests at club, the DNA test of the saliva (if a such is made) and other information that the police might have that we are not privy to, we have no sound basis to make any judgment for or against Pacman.

People say that high picks get preferential treatment, which is true, but also think if he had been a 3rd rounder--his agent wouldn't have him hold out, which means Haynesworth and Bulluck would never have gotten on him, which means he wouldn't have tried to hold his ground with them, which means the fans and the media wouldn't have been all over him, which means if he had an incident off the field it wouldn't have that much press and he'd just be suspended if justified like everyone else. (Think Rob Reynolds, who tried to kill someone on the field in college and is now accused of beating his wife--those incidents are far and away disproportional to Pac's stuff in my mind--but the nature of their value (draft status, stock as players) overrides what receives our attention). All I'm saying is that yes, Pac may get leeway b/c of his draft position, but he also is judged differently b/c of it as well.

But now both us, the media, and him all seem to be caught in a tangle--and it looks like it may become just a self-fulfilling prophecy (like how everybody secretly stands around and pokes TO with a stick b/c of the morbid fascination for him to do something (you think they don't want him to do something crazy?). Not saying TO [like Pac] isn't at fault, just that it seems to become somewhat self-fulfilling.

As far as the FO for picking Pac, it was either him or Rolle, far and away the top 2 corners on everyone's board (we didn't even have Hill--we' d be starting Woolfolk). And it was Rolle who seemed to me like the poor character, mouthy, star corner from the U--remember the day after the draft he immediately slammed the state of Tennessee and then the organization for not picking him (and this year after he got beat by LJ he tried to rip his head around). I thought of Pac as an Antoine Winfield, but maybe too fiery, aggressive, maybe pick-up-penalty's type. But it's becoming clear Pac is the better player on the field--if only he can find a way to calm the waters. I think the only thing he can do now is make it a long time without making any news.

i think the front office remembered taking kevin dyson over randy moss. they took the better person instead of the better player. didnt work out too well.

this time they took the better player.

Fisher said Tuesday he should announce any penalty on Pac before Wednesday practice.
Anyone want to guess what it will/should be?

Fisher said Tuesday he should announce any penalty on Pac before Wednesday practice.
Anyone want to guess what it will/should be?
2 games. This isn't THE Joe Biddle? Is it?

i hope not, because i hate joe biddle. i would say one game.

I would think one game....but you never know. Since this is the second time it's happened this year, Fisher may sit him down longer. Both are pretty identical, so it's not like he wasn't warned. Each time he has missed practice a club incident has been involved.

lendale got one for spitting, pac should get one for spitting.

4. The girl saved the spit. (quite bizarre)

Every since Monica Lewinski, girls carry around a DNA kit in their purses...

and to replace Jones. Like I said, so far he has been lucky. He may eventually come across someone who won't take his Bullsh1t. He could end up in jail or dead.

I think the Titans have also thought about that.

no just to replace Hill- when he goes to the Pro Bowl you guys won't even care, heck when he had his great game Sunday most of you didn't care about his troubles, truth is we are Titans fans first and if they are on the field and producing and we are winning whats there to be mad about, get Nate Clements next year to replace Hill and we are good to go...

lendale got one for spitting, pac should get one for spitting.


Lendale was AT practice and didn't miss any...BIG difference.

While I'm in complete agreement that if someone is found guilty that they need to be punished. This story has "set-up" written all over it.

First let me say that Pac shouldn't have gone out that night period...Especially if he was given leave from practice for flu symptoms. That is wrong and if they fined him for that then that's OK.

Second this girl and her best friend have are probably lying. Number 1: Who in their right mind will let someone spit in their face without losing it(especially sistas from TSU), or without calling the cops. Especially if it was Pac. This smells like they want money and their coming up with a story due to Pac's past...it's not surprising.

I will say that because of Pac's history he will continue to get into trouble(unless he stays away from outside influences) because there are people out there who will continue to do this.

couldn't have said it any better, I been saying it since the summer there are some people after Pacman, police included, and they are just using his bad rep as their groundbase...

That's nice. Teach your kids that it's ok to be a thug or a nuisance to society as long as you play good on the field. How noble and grown up of you. I think he is a great player with loads of talent but you can't just go around doing whatever you like off the field just because you feel you are irreplacable. Everyone can be replaced. We are stuck with him for a few more years but unless he changes who he hangs around with and how he behaves off the field, then he will be gone as soon as the cap will allow. I hate to lost his talent but a line has to be drawn somewhere as to what you will allow players to do and get away with.

who said you had to teach your kids to be a thug, its where Pacman is from, its all he knows, he can't change for a lot country folks- I know some of you don't like it but its who he is, and as he gos on in this league he will mature, just like Randy Moss did

bad example with moss.

Lendale was AT practice and didn't miss any...BIG difference.

didn't miss any what?

i think the front office remembered taking kevin dyson over randy moss. they took the better person instead of the better player. didnt work out too well.

this time they took the better player.


and it still isn't working out.

no just to replace Hill- when he goes to the Pro Bowl you guys won't even care, heck when he had his great game Sunday most of you didn't care about his troubles, truth is we are Titans fans first and if they are on the field and producing and we are winning whats there to be mad about, get Nate Clements next year to replace Hill and we are good to go...

you have no clue about life do you. I don't gives a rats:moon2: if he goes to the Pro Bowl, Hell he might be in jail or dead before that happens.

i'd give the max penalty and go after SB....................max penalty would also effect his ability to get his incentives in his deal further hurting him.............I know the FO is seriously thinking of doing it but the NFLPA will be involved....................but unlike Porter situation Jones has huge history to support the 4 games easily...................he wont listen to anyone so take his money away and let him go back to ATL and get in trouble so that we can essentially void his deal.................giving him free time is sure to settle the issue permanently.

and it still isn't working out.
i would take production on field over nothing at all.

i would not. Winning is all that matters. You cant win with AJones or TO types.

pretty hard to win when you have woolfolk covering marvin harrison.

i would not. Winning is all that matters. You cant win with AJones or TO types.

TO has taken a team to the Superbowl

And Pacman practically won us the game last week.

that is the same thing most thought when AH went out......and were two and 0 with him gone..................we can win with finegan and hill and AW .................Jags O sux. AJones is small part in a larger machine...................i'd go for the jugular.

TO has taken a team to the Superbowl

And Pacman practically won us the game last week.
not true...................TO missed six games while his teammates got him the chance to play in a SB while he was out with injury..................and TO played well but his team did not play well enough to win a title................this is a team sport and TO has no championships and likely never will.

i thought fish said finnegan will stay inside with woolfolk moving into the outside spot or did i just hear incorrectly?

this is a team sport and TO has no championships and likely never will.
bruce matthews was a great teammate and a great player with no ring. a lot of great players never get rings.

i really see no difference in pac when looking at someone like lawrence taylor. he was bad boy off the field, but when it came sundays he was ready to go. maybe im just too old school?

i thought fish said finnegan will stay inside with woolfolk moving into the outside spot or did i just hear incorrectly?
you heard correctly.

(on if CB Cortland Finnegan will stay at the nickel back position)

Cortland is improving and his production at the nickel spot is really good to see, in addition to his special teams role. We will not weaken ourselves in two spots by taking him from the nickel spot and putting him at corner. Andre’s improving. He’s quietly doing his job. I spoke with him prior to the game. He’s a pro.

yet again wrongo doesnt have a clue

LT was a great teammate.................he had personal demons with drugs his whole life but they did not stop him on Sundays or in the lockerrom or with his coaches...........football was sacred to LT.......................he never got arrested while on the NYG roster..............LT got in trouble after football. Clubbing and thugging is sacred to Adam................ there is a difference

thats certainly a good point....

bruce matthews was a great teammate and a great player with no ring. a lot of great players never get rings.

i really see no difference in pac when looking at someone like lawrence taylor. he was bad boy off the field, but when it came sundays he was ready to go. maybe im just too old school?this posts shows how limited your reasoning ability is..................matthews did not win because of his personal issues.............he just did not have the best team when he played..........Adam precludes winning if he is on your team..................

i would take production on field over nothing at all.

that's :sad2: that you would let a player play just because he might be able to produce on the field but yet is a problem off the field. You have your standards I have mine.

that's :sad2: that you would let a player play just because he might be able to produce on the field but yet is a problem off the field. You have your standards I have mine.
i understand football is a business and winning equals money. you put the 11 guys on the field who give you the best chance to win. if you think woolfolk covering a teams number one wr gives us the best chance to win, then so be it.

the raiders had some bad boys in the 70's. all those super bowls they won dont count any less.

this posts shows how limited your reasoning ability is..................matthews did not win because of his personal issues.............he just did not have the best team when he played..........Adam precludes winning if he is on your team..................
so you dont think pacman being on a crap team doesnt hamper his ability to win games?

this isn't the 70's anymore, things have changed. But you go right ahead living in the past

this isn't the 70's anymore, things have changed. But you go right ahead living in the past
i wasnt even around in the 70's, so i have no clue how things were like back then. but i do know that things like this whole pac situation have been going on since the beginning of pro sports, but thanks to 24-7 sports coverage they now get a hell of a lot more coverage than they used to.

babe ruth would go out and drink the night before games. and i mean DRINK. that was back in the day when prohibition was still active, so it was against the law. there were even reports that he ran through a train naked while a woman chased him with a knife, that doesnt change the fact that he is the best of all-time.

but you're right, i long for the past. i wish football was the way it was 30 years ago. back in the day when you could hit a WR going over the middle, when QBs didnt wear flags and when the rules didnt give the offense the benefit of the doubt just to score more points. phew...sorry about that little rant, i had to say it.

i wasnt even around in the 70's, so i have no clue how things were like back then. but i do know that things like this whole pac situation have been going on since the beginning of pro sports, but thanks to 24-7 sports coverage they now get a hell of a lot more coverage than they used to.

babe ruth would go out and drink the night before games. and i mean DRINK. that was back in the day when prohibition was still active, so it was against the law. there were even reports that he ran through a train naked while a woman chased him with a knife, that doesnt change the fact that he is the best of all-time.

but you're right, i long for the past. i wish football was the way it was 30 years ago. back in the day when you could hit a WR going over the middle, when QBs didnt wear flags and when the rules didnt give the offense the benefit of the doubt just to score more points. phew...sorry about that little rant, i had to say it.


Powerful post...:yes:

We cant afford to suspend him, hes been shutting down #1 WRs all year, and just got going on returns, we cant lose him when hes making this big of improvements

yes we can. We are 2-5 and winning 4 games all yr with him. With out him we are about the same.

if you think we're the same with woolfolk on the field over pac, then you're :crazy:

Being better has nothing to do with it. It's about a coach keeping control of his team. If you wanted better we would have kept Volek and been 4-3 or 5-2 now, but Fisher took the path to rebuilding this year, and he is going to do it his way. The NFL is a huge business right now, and they could care less about Pacman and whether the Titans win or lose without him. They want professionals on and off the field. Look at NASCAR now.....you don't see any more "good ole boys" driving, it's all young guys that are marketable. This is a business before it's a sport now, and people have to adapt.

im not saying he should or shouldnt play. im saying bongo is wrong when he says "without him we are about the same." when in fact we are far weaker.

look at the colts game. he was out for ONE play and woolfolk managed to give up a td. i dont even want to think about what it will be like for an entire game.

If suspending Pacman sends him a message to shape up off the field, then I'd gladly sacrifice a few games this year (as if we're a playoff team with him).

They guy is a good CB. But he is a problem off the field and they need to get it fixed.

lendale got one for spitting, pac should get one for spitting.LenDale got 1 for spitting on a teammate in practice. Pacman spit on a woman in a public place that has resulted in legal trouble. Big difference...

I think Pac lying about his flu like symptoms that got him the pass to leave practice early, then ends up in a nightclub really got Fish ticked off.

Remember how Fish was so upset after Billy left and Fisher said "Billy flat out lied" in his press conference? I've never seen Jeff so angry. I know that Fisher is tired of all the off the field situations that Pac continues to put himself in, but Fisher is loyal to his players and expects loyalty in return and Pac had ruined that IMO....

With that being said, if Pac is suspended for a game (or more) we will be able to tell the difference. Pac is a playmaker, he has great talent. Too bad he can't take a grow up pill.

Oh my god... Stop all the "he has to stop getting in trouble" yapping. You want the players to be role models, but they aren't. And it does not start with the off field attitudes. It start with the on field drug abuse. The League has ignored (and silently accepted) this for way too long. The punishment for a drug abuse is a warning the first time and a pathetic 4 days suspension the second time. Woow, this is really scary, huh?
In most other sports it's 2 years suspension from any sport the first time and lifetime ban the second. That means you can't go to CFL if you get banned in NFL.
But, it's still ignored, like the players off field issues. And why? - MONEY MONEY MONEY! Problems = media attention = money. Money talks, money owns.

In this case... I don't think he spit her, it was just a mistimed French kiss. Either that, or it's (yet another) gold digger.

If suspending Pacman sends him a message to shape up off the field, then I'd gladly sacrifice a few games this year (as if we're a playoff team with him).

They guy is a good CB. But he is a problem off the field and they need to get it fixed.

LenDale got 1 for spitting on a teammate in practice. Pacman spit on a woman in a public place that has resulted in legal trouble. Big difference...

LenDale had credible witnessess (team-mates) to verify he did indeed spit on a team-mate. There are conflicting accounts with "witnesses" to verify whether or not Pac did.

It is completely asinine and reeks of lynch mob mentality to support any punitive action until due process has been served. (Reynolds plead guilty and had an ex-wife with bruises).

For all I know, Pac accidently sneezed on the girl (from his doctor verified flu) and she confabulated the rest of the story. Point is, once again allegations have arisen from persons with low credibility. If Pac would quit hanging in spots with persons of questionable character, we would hear any of this BS.

Oh my god... Stop all the "he has to stop getting in trouble" yapping.

Forget about the stupidity on the dance floor in the middle of the week.

Just the fact that he begged out of practice earlier that day, yet he was seen out and about town that night is enough to "yap" about his behavior and judgment.

He got caught, and this is the NFL, not high school.

LenDale had credible witnessess (team-mates) to verify he did indeed spit on a team-mate. There are conflicting accounts with "witnesses" to verify whether or not Pac did.

It is completely asinine and reeks of lynch mob mentality to support any punitive action until due process has been served. (Reynolds plead guilty and had an ex-wife with bruises).

For all I know, Pac accidently sneezed on the girl (from his doctor verified flu) and she confabulated the rest of the story. Point is, once again allegations have arisen from persons with low credibility. If Pac would quit hanging in spots with persons of questionable character, we would hear any of this BS.
I have not seen one report that Reynolds put bruises on his wife. If you have a link, please post it or stop embellishing.

Fisher said he was waiting until today to get all the facts before handing out punishment, so there isn't a lynch mob mentality, at least at BSP. You ignore the fact that this is the second time it has happened this year, and both times he has missed practice. It seems the only person at these clubs that has questionable character is Pacman. After a game I don't care if he gets falling down drunk, but during the week when you are preparing for a game, it's inexcusable for these kinds of actions. How do you think it looks to the rest of the team for someone to miss practice because they were out drinking? This team is still looking for identity, and just showing signs of coming together. Incidents like this (Reynolds and Pac) can only be distracting and problematic for a team that is fragile already. Just when we are showing signs of life this happens. I hope they can overcome it Sunday.

babe ruth would go out and drink the night before games. and i mean DRINK. that was back in the day when prohibition was still active, so it was against the law. there were even reports that he ran through a train naked while a woman chased him with a knife, that doesnt change the fact that he is the best of all-time.


Just how old is Mrs John Wayne Bobbitt?

we will not replace jones. whether you like him or not, the kid can play.

Why does the NFL give eejits like this so many chances just because they have a bit of sporting ability? Look at Lawrence Phillips ... a pathetic excuse for a man who has done nothing but bad for his whole life and how many teams still took him on because he could run a bit.

In any other walk of life these twats would get a kick in the arse and fired. For an organisation (the NFL in general) that witters on about morals and "family values" so much they really fail miserably when push comes to shove.

I have not seen one report that Reynolds put bruises on his wife. If you have a link, please post it or stop embellishing.

Fisher said he was waiting until today to get all the facts before handing out punishment, so there isn't a lynch mob mentality, at least at BSP. You ignore the fact that this is the second time it has happened this year, and both times he has missed practice. It seems the only person at these clubs that has questionable character is Pacman. After a game I don't care if he gets falling down drunk, but during the week when you are preparing for a game, it's inexcusable for these kinds of actions. How do you think it looks to the rest of the team for someone to miss practice because they were out drinking? This team is still looking for identity, and just showing signs of coming together. Incidents like this (Reynolds and Pac) can only be distracting and problematic for a team that is fragile already. Just when we are showing signs of life this happens. I hope they can overcome it Sunday.


"She told police her husband threw the phone against the living room wall, destroying the phone, and punched a small hole in the wall. She followed him outside, where he shoved her with both hands, causing her to fall against a wall."

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/15403486/

This should clarify my use of the term "bruises". It was an inference and inaccurate to post. Thanks for pointing that out. We can all be guilty of that at times.

How do you think it looks to the rest of the team for someone to miss practice because they were out drinking? I can't find a reference that supports he missed practice because he was out drinking.

Additionally, you and others seem to disregard "due process" in Pac's case. It doesn't matter if he has 1000 allegations against him this year, what matters punitively is how many times "due process" proves the allegations to be true. No charges thus far seem to have stuck when "duly processed".

I agree completely that Pac repeatedly puts himself in positions to be extorted and that in itself continues to create distractions. But honestly, how do you propose an equitable way tell him how to behave with his personal life?

Forget about the stupidity on the dance floor in the middle of the week.

Just the fact that he begged out of practice earlier that day, yet he was seen out and about town that night is enough to "yap" about his behavior and judgment.

He got caught, and this is the NFL, not high school.

Get your facts straight. The incident happened Thursday morning a 1 am, the same day he later was sent to the doctor and from there in his bed. It's reported by the Tennessean.
It's only Bongo, who still believes what you say.

The suspension is official, one game for now...

http://tennessean.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061101/SPORTS01/61101016

good

chances are we were going to lose that game anyway.

oh shazbat

"Fourth-year pro Andre Woolfolk is expected to start at left cornerback in place of Jones."

http://www.oddpic.com/data/509/medium/burning_head.jpg

"Fourth-year pro Andre Woolfolk is expected to start at left cornerback in place of Jones."

http://www.oddpic.com/data/509/medium/burning_head.jpg


I will be glad to light the match if you really want to do that to yourself :grrhee:

Well... it's unofficially official...

question...what night did this occur relative to him leaving practice b/c of the flu?

question...how was this girl able to save this spit? If someone spit on my face, instincts would be to wipe, then punch/slap/shove...and she had a baggie handy to do this with?

question...are there witnesses that saw him spit on her?
And if Pacman truly had the flu the following morning, did this girl as well since some of the spit in question had to make contact with her eyes, nose or mouth? Does this make him a disease spreader as well?

Also, when will we see the first eBay auction of Pacman spit now that some are collecting it?