The local media has been talking that the Titans may cut their losses with Jones in the off season. Even in Fishers statement you could sense the frustration with Jones.

Do the Titans admit they made a mistake in Jones. Not necessarily in his on the field play but due to his off the field antics.

Is he released or is he here next yr

Nope. Wife beating and drug use doesn't get players released. No way should the Titans cut their losses with Jones.

I'm unsure at this time. If he comes back next week and from here on out keeps himself and the team out of the negative spotlight then i'm sure he comes back. On the other hand, if we are to believe what Fisher said(reading between the lines) one more screwup and he could be gone. This is one of the cases that time will only tell IMO.

Its a bad move if we lose Pacman, hes a beast, hes alot better now than when he came into the leeauge as a rookie

Rare for any team to cut their first rounder. (maybe not re-sign, but not cut)

As things stand now, I'd say he is back for sure.
However, if anymore happens, who knows?

yeah it is a tough one to call. If he keeps it up I think he will be gone, if he behaves he will be here. Now the question is can he behave. I seriously doubt he can.

I think he is gone next yr or he is made to sit out the season with pay. That would hurt him more than anything.

Didn't Bud say something about that or was that just a rumor. I don't remember since so much has been said about him

don't forget he hasn't been found guilty of anything yet.

We've seen 1st rounders stick around who don't even get to play they are so far down the depth chart. Why cut one of the few playmakers we have? I hate the stuff Pac Man has put us through as much as the next guy (well, almost)... but c'mon... Cutting Jones would be insane.

For the poll purposes I take it that it is assumed that released is not traded.

I'd say even traded is a longshot (possible though) but certainly not released or cut which are indistinguishable terms to me.

Come to think of it Reese doesn't seem to like trades. He asks for so much he's out of it from the get-go. Never acts like he even wants to deal anyways. I bet the FO is hedging their bets that Pacman grows into his role as an adult playing pro football in the NFL.

The boy can play. (in this league) From a drafting standpoint, that is more than half the battle. It does make me sad to think that Pacman acts like such a window licking retard. I haven't had a rant on the spitting thing. I've been quiet about it. Just because I have not been overly critical doesn't mean that the whole episode doesn't piss me off.

Trading or releasing Adam Jones would be imprudent CAPwise. His signing bonus would roll forward ect. ect... We have been thru it all too often in the recent past. More likley he would windup redecorating Fishers doghouse when Woolfolk is allowed to seek other oppertunities.

no way....

though I am already scared of what he wll be doing from january through june...can we put him on house arrest?

probably gonna happen anyway

BiPolar, I should have put in traded. I did hear that if we did try to trade the best the Titans would get is a 2 or 3 rounder based on his off field stuff. I think that is why Bud would make him sit out his contract.

Trading or releasing Adam Jones would be imprudent CAPwise. His signing bonus would roll forward ect. ect... We have been thru it all too often in the recent past. More likley he would windup redecorating Fishers doghouse when Woolfolk is allowed to seek other oppertunities.
hell yeah it would be.:hot: they would be better off setting off a charge of c-4 in their :banned:

you think Woolfolk could catch on as a starter? new camp. fresh start and all that?

move him to SS and he could probably beat out LT on the Titans.

don't forget he hasn't been found guilty of anything yet.

he has in Fisher's eyes. I realize the suspension is not for spitting but for the continuation of off the field antics. Or as it is stated in today's paper
"REPEAT OFFENDER"

TITANS IN TROUBLE
List of the Tennessee Titans who were suspended from games this season and reason. (Haynesworth's suspension issued by NFL):
Player Game Offense
RB LenDale White Saints (exh.) Spitting
DT Randy Starks Saints (exh.) Domestic violence
CB Pacman Jones Falcons (exh.) Misdemeanor arrest
DT Albert Haynesworth Five Stomping
LB Robert Reynolds Houston Domestic violence
Jones (current) Jacksonville Repeat offender



http://tennessean.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061102/SPORTS01/611020420/1328/SPORTS

Trading or releasing Adam Jones would be imprudent CAPwise. His signing bonus would roll forward ect. ect... Actually, seeing as we'll have a ton of cap room, this offseason would be the perfect time to do it if they want to get rid of him.

That said, I think he'll be back in 2007.

I dont think so, Im also concerned about Lendale White, and the spitting "incident". This spitting thing is a plague!!

First of all Pacman will not be"released". We should be able to get something for him on the market. The more I think about it I see him getting moved in the off season no matter what. If he keeps his nose clean and plays well we can get a higher draft pick for him. If he doesn't keep his nose clean he is gone anyway. Either way they will not let him go for nothing and as Star said, with the CAP room now is the time to move.

you should be more concerned that LW is adam best friend on the team and he spends just about every waking off hr with him.................and that is why LW has not seen the field..................My bet is adam is traded this offseason.

so if he is indeed traded in the offseason, do we draft another one high or do we go get one in FA(Clements) and/or a trade?!

Trading Pacman would accelerate a ton of money. I don't see it happening.

We have CAP space and the money will be spread over two years.

I dont think so, Im also concerned about Lendale White, and the spitting "incident". This spitting thing is a plague!!


If you have ever watched WWE, you will notice a lot of these players imitate what they see on those shows. Spitting is one of the antics. Samari Rolle made a "cut throat" gesture in the Jets game a few years ago, just like Chris Benoit does. Stomping the forehead is another thing you see, and obviously AH did also. Even that guy that makes the "diamond cutter" symbol gets imitated by some players.

You realize that none of what you just said originated from wrestling right...?

You realize that none of what you just said originated from wrestling right...?


Just a total coincidence huh?

Yeah, I'm sure all the players are doing cut throats 'cause Chris "Who" Benoit is doing it...:ha:

Just a total coincidence huh?

Um, how about wrestling copying it from the real world?

All of your examples predate wrestling but at least a couple of hundred years, probably thousands.

Um, how about wrestling copying it from the real world?

All of your examples predate wrestling but at least a couple of hundred years, probably thousands.


Exactly. I mean, kicking a guy in the throat? C'mon now...:ha:

Um, how about wrestling copying it from the real world?

All of your examples predate wrestling but at least a couple of hundred years, probably thousands.


Wrestling is shown on TV, and if you don't believe much of it is copied by these players you are naive. There are too many gestures made that are directly related to it. You think Rolle just had a vision one day to make the throat cut move? Funny how it is exactly like the one Benoit did. I know it's a stretch for some people to make the connection, so believe as you wish.

Wrestling is shown on TV, and if you don't believe much of it is copied by these players you are naive. There are too many gestures made that are directly related to it. You think Rolle just had a vision one day to make the throat cut move? Funny how it is exactly like the one Benoit did. I know it's a stretch for some people to make the connection, so believe as you wish.

People make cut throat moves all over the world, people stomp on other people all over the world and people spit all over the world, but wrestling is limited to the USA, so obviously the rest of the world must have a different source of "inspiration", so why wouldn't the NFL players?

Wrestling is shown on TV, and if you don't believe much of it is copied by these players you are naive. There are too many gestures made that are directly related to it. You think Rolle just had a vision one day to make the throat cut move? Funny how it is exactly like the one Benoit did. I know it's a stretch for some people to make the connection, so believe as you wish.


Nah, you just give too much credit to WWE and wrestling, and gave an explanation that is more a reach than anything else.

Nope. Wife beating and drug use doesn't get players released. No way should the Titans cut their losses with Jones.

I refer you back to my post regarding the low moral standing of the NFL and most of its clubs. It seems like there is very little you can do wrong if you have some sporting ability ... apart from Carruth.

The Titans need to keep him. He may act like a thug but he's a damn good football player and frankly I'm more concerned with winning than wether or not Pac spits in some lady's face or gets in a fight.. Obviously, he's walking on thin ice here and it's a shame because he could wind up waisting a really good thing. As a selfish fan, I would rather see him play this week too. I would rather them just fine is ars heavily than suspend him. It's not like he beat someone up or tried to kill a person. I'm not making excuses for him, I just don't see us winning this weekend without him. Hopefully, he can pull his head out from his butt and learn to cope in life without getting in constant trouble.

The Titans need to keep him. He may act like a thug but he's a damn good football player and frankly I'm more concerned with winning than wether or not Pac spits in some lady's face or gets in a fight..

*sigh* How on earth are we meant to make society better and educate people in proper behaviour if people like Jones are merely given a slap on the wrist?

Hopefully, he can pull his head out from his butt and learn to cope in life without getting in constant trouble.

He won't manage that until people stop coddling him.

*sigh* How on earth are we meant to make society better and educate people in proper behaviour if people like Jones are merely given a slap on the wrist?


It's not our job to "educate people in proper behaviour", only the courts have the power to punish people for conduct detrimental to society.

As things stand now, I'd say he is back for sure.
However, if anymore happens, who knows?
:thumb:

It's not our job to "educate people in proper behaviour", only the courts have the power to punish people for conduct detrimental to society.


That's what parents are for!!!

Gut

It's not our job to "educate people in proper behaviour", only the courts have the power to punish people for conduct detrimental to society.

Of course it is our job. If you see a kid throwing stones trying to break a window do you just walk past saying "oh, it's nothing to do with me" or do you say "OI stop that you little oik!"

I am so sick to the back teeth of the "politically correct" bull**** which permeated out from the US and polluted the common sense of the rest of the world. No wonder we're going to hell in a handbasket! I truly hanker back for the days when if a policeman or an adult caught you doing something wrong you got a literal kick up the arse from them and then got into trouble from your parents when you got home. My parents and grandparents would have been mortified if I'd been dragged home by a policeman or behaved in the way of youngsters today.

Maybe if someone had done that with Jones, Owens, Haynesworth, Phillips and the rest they would be the pathetic human beings they have turned out to be.

That's what parents are for!!!

Gut

And if the parents can't or won't do it? What then?

How do you help a guy you never met?

And if the parents can't or won't do it? What then?

Sounds like you should be in charge.

Sounds like you should be in charge.

Not a bad idea ... I would be a benevolent dictator :grrhee:

I don't like what pacman has done. He's clearly making some bad choices.

I will, however, say that there's a difference to me between spitting on someone or being drunk at a club, or being somewhere where a gun was shot, and committing violent crime. For one, Pac hasn't been convicted, so he gets some credit in that regard. But the types of crimes aren't nearly as serious to me as spouse abuse or drunk driving, both of which are generally repeated and generally passed on to your kids and further hurt society.

I completely agree that these people needed some parents. But they're grown up now, and you can't parent them anymore. Hopefully losing 50,000 dollars from going to a bar one night will send a message. Hopefully the threats from the coach will have an effect. Trust me, you wouldn't find my kids (in the future) doing anything like this.

I don't like what pacman has done. He's clearly making some bad choices.

I will, however, say that there's a difference to me between spitting on someone or being drunk at a club, or being somewhere where a gun was shot, and committing violent crime. For one, Pac hasn't been convicted, so he gets some credit in that regard. But the types of crimes aren't nearly as serious to me as spouse abuse or drunk driving, both of which are generally repeated and generally passed on to your kids and further hurt society.

Unfortunately these crimes seem to be accepted by the various parts of the NFL.

I completely agree that these people needed some parents. But they're grown up now, and you can't parent them anymore. Hopefully losing 50,000 dollars from going to a bar one night will send a message.

I hope so but somehow I doubt it.

In the Jags game, we got **** on without pac man, so im thinking the answer is now obvious, hes the only good person in teh secondary other than Hope, and Hopes more of a run stopper than a cover

In the Jags game, we got **** on without pac man, so im thinking the answer is now obvious, hes the only good person in teh secondary other than Hope, and Hopes more of a run stopper than a cover


Titans would have still lost. You need a player who is going to be there and you can't count on Jones for that

And if the parents can't or won't do it? What then?

Then you do what you can do....for the people you can do it for.

Neither of us (assuming you don't know Pac or his friends/family/posse) can affect Pacman. He is who he is....we can beech and moan about it but we have 2 choices...keep watching and voice our displeasure, or watch another team (or different sport).

Remember that book that came out several years ago about all the criminals in the NFL? Guess what, they're still here and there's probably more of them. Sadly!

None of us condone what Pac or any of the other players has done, but the Titans have taken the same stance as the league...they talk a good game but don't want to lose the talent....hence, the problems repeats AND intensifies. This beginneth the problem!

The Titans should have had an inkling that Pac was an off the field problem waiting to happen and that is unacceptable for a top 6 pick...especially when he's a 5'9" CB.

I'm certainly not taking Pac's side, but the sad truth is these bad apples are all over the place. The Titans need to stop drafting these guys and post (and enforce) a HARSH penalty. Clearly the penalties being dolled out so far have had no impact on Pac or any of the other guys. Of the guys in the wrong, Haynesworth is the ONLY guy who actually SOUNDED remorseful.

A perfect example of the difference in class is a Hidecki Matsui (Yankees OF) who actually APOLOGIZED to the fans for getting HURT!!! No doing something wrong...for getting injured diving for a ball!

We need to find more of those guys!

Gut

Of course it is our job. If you see a kid throwing stones trying to break a window do you just walk past saying "oh, it's nothing to do with me" or do you say "OI stop that you little oik!"


Bad analogy. The proper analogy would be: If you see a kid throwing stones trying to break a window do you just walk past saying "oh, it's nothing to do with me" or do you take away his weekly allowance and physically prevent him from playing with his friends?

No I didn't think so.

careful he might spit on you.

Pacman could run down the center of the field during a home game, pull down his pants to his knees and get on all fours and let a wet one loose and still be re-signed next season. He's not the kind of player the Titans can afford to cut atleast for the next 5 seasons and he knows managment knows that. He's a keeper. Unfortunately his attitude sucks!

Bad analogy. The proper analogy would be: If you see a kid throwing stones trying to break a window do you just walk past saying "oh, it's nothing to do with me" or do you take away his weekly allowance and physically prevent him from playing with his friends?

No I didn't think so.

No, I take the stones away from him and put the toe of my boot up his arse and tell him there's more of that if he continues to misbehave. And then drag him bodily to his house and explain exactly what he was up to to his parents.

Then you do what you can do....for the people you can do it for.

Agreed.

keep watching and voice our displeasure, or watch another team (or different sport).

Which is one of the reasons I don't watch high level football or American football any more ... too many overpaid, arrogant wanks in both sports. I much prefer going to and watching MotoGP these days.

Hopefully, Pacman will be on the team next year and should be without a doubt, the way he has played the last 2 weeks has shown that he is a player with huge potential who could be one of the best corners in the league (perhaps the best) in the next year or two...

Hopefully, Pacman will be on the team next year and should be without a doubt.

He'll be here.

I hope not

I hope not
sarcasm I hope:suspect: ...

sarcasm I hope:suspect: ...

I would hope so. :rolleyes:

nope no sarcasm..see how I voted

I respect your convictions, Ewker.....let's just hope Pacman doesn't get any convictions.

Maybe I missed something, but why would the Titans release Jones in the offseason? It doesn't make sense to me. He's been very productive so far this season.

He'll be here barring major legal trouble. He's improved on the field, now he needs to improve off of it...

He'll be here barring major legal trouble. He's improved on the field, now he needs to improve off of it...

He's not the first player to have trouble with the law. And, he won't be the last.

He better be with the team next year.

he'd better be here next yr

if he's not someone needs a slap in the face

Pacman Jones (along with Hope) is the future of our defense, he'll be here for a long time...

Pac isnt going anywhere....Too good of a player,too much money...

Is this thread a joke?

just thought I would bump this back-up

From the tone of Fishers interview on 6-18-07, I would hate to bet on this. I believe Pac's rope has started drawing very tight around his neck.

Well, he could still be on the team next year, but end up never playing another down for us.

I still would be pretty surprised to see the Titans cut Pac after this season. I remember the talk about Haynesworth being similar - Titans made it clear he wasn't necessarily welcome back, but he was. The possible glaring difference being that Haynesworth did everything right during his suspension. BUT we still don't know the story with this latest (getting very old) story with Pac... I could possibly see a trade, but bottom line is going to be if Goodell deems him worthy of continuing his NFL career I think the Titans will let him back on a short leash rather than lose the money, the draft pick and face the potential of playing against him.

The view today looks different just because his name is being tossed around with another shooting, but if he really wasn't involved then his only crime was being a dumb-*****. If he can really go a year with no incidents (very big if), then all the discussion will turn to how he must have really turned his life around. Look at how quickly the attitude in the press changed just when he announced he was dropping the suspension... suddenly I read 3 or 4 semi-positive articles about him. My guess is either with the Titans next year or out of the league for good - probably nothing in between.

From the tone of Fishers interview on 6-18-07, I would hate to bet on this. I believe Pac's rope has started drawing very tight around his neck.

Yeah, Fisher's interview tells me that he's done with Pac. He's a great player, but if he's not on the field, he might as well be gone.

don't forget he hasn't been found guilty of anything yet.He doesn't have to be found guilty of anything per NFL policy.

Fisher's comments are more aimed at Pacman than trying to say anything valid through the media, I believe.

Stupid Pacman. Cut your dead weight, already, son.

:bump:



I want to change my vote.

Well... he is still on the team...

its weird how Fisher always referred to Pacman as "Adam" during the season...on his most recent statement abut Pacman, he referred t o him as "Pac". He never used to do that.

I really hope pacman can get back good enough with Fisher to be called "Adam" again, seriously...

Well... he is still on the team...


But not on the field.....

next year = '08? :huh:

next year = '08? :huh:

First post was in 06 talking about the 07 season.

well, I'm starting to think he will not be playing here or anywhere in '08.

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