When the other team is laughing on the field you that should tell you something. I quit counting the number of jag players that were laughing when shown in closeups by the cameras. They really could have named a score against schwartzie'd and gotten it. The run d was once again a joke, even in the "burn the clock" time at the end when everyone in the state of florida knew what was coming schwartzie's d still got gashed by a guy that can't be much over 5 ft tall. Strangely although we still occupy 32nd position in the total d standing statistically we improved our per game of yards allowed. Garrard is not a real NFL qb but he certainly looked the part today, I guess you can't blitz Garrard either huh?:suspect:

In fairness to him.

No Pacman

Woolfolk pitched a game that showed why he'll be stacking shelves at Walmart real soon. I doubt he could be trusted to do that without constant supervision.

Lamont 'came out' on a field goal attempt but otherwise was well,Lamont.

Thornton was limited due to his injury.

Sirmon left snail trails all over the field & even tagged Bulluck pretty hard coming in late on a tackle but did little of use.

Tulloch was exciting to watch in a headless chicken kind of way.

The line was very thin so they got little rest.

Fisher distracted Jimbo by also wearing a red hat.

He had to cope with the adversity of standing out there in warm rain,it looked much worse on Jimbo's side of the field.

Also in fairness:

When your QB can't hit the broad side of a barn and looks color blind, it's tough on the defense. They did manage to hold the Jags to a FG on 1st and goal inside the 5 after one pick.

Woolfolk certainly didn't step up either, but did anyone really think he would?

Earnest Wilford --> :jump:

Earnest Wilford --> :jump:

Yea but Wilford beats everyone.:))

Youngs two big intercepts didn't hurt the defense because the jags scored and gave the ball right back to us.

The stats are not horrible but this was the 20th ranked offense we played. As you joked garrard to wilford will never be comparable to manning to harrison or montana or young to rice. Garrard is a decent QB and they don't have a first rate WR. Their TEs and backs are pretty good.

Of course schwartz isn't alone we gave up on running the ball before the game started even though stroud was out and henderson played little.

Yea but Wilford beats everyone.:)):yes:

He looked like Arnaz Battle out there.

If this jerk doesn't get fired at the end of the season, I'm going to become a Colts fan...












j/k :(

Anyone have a good reason why Schwartz hasn't already been fired after this first half...considering the horrendous defensive stats AND the strong addition of talent?

Gut

Anyone have a good reason why Schwartz hasn't already been fired after this first half...considering the horrendous defensive stats AND the strong addition of talent?He's the only one on the staff who knows how to turn on a computer?

Anyone have a good reason why Schwartz hasn't already been fired after this first half...considering the horrendous defensive stats AND the strong addition of talent?

Gut


No, nobody has a good reason and that includes Jeff Fisher.

Anyone have a good reason why Schwartz hasn't already been fired after this first half...considering the horrendous defensive stats AND the strong addition of talent?
The same reason Chow is still with the franchise?

The same reason Chow is still with the franchise?ouch

The same reason Chow is still with the franchise?


I'll give Chow a break because he has a very, very, very green QB PROJECT in Vince. Clearly you can all see that Vince is some time away. His legs don't look as good as they did against college opponents do they? And he still hasn't proven to anyone that he can throw the ball consistently.

the presence of schwartz & absence of haynesworth is affecting this d more than anything. TN needs to get rid of schwartz and sign a couple of vets on d next season or we will be facing another losing season next year continuing to post threads about how bad we suck. Defense wins games.. yet unfortunately our defense is being run by a lunatic coordinator.

I'll give Chow a break because he has a very, very, very green QB PROJECT in Vince. Clearly you can all see that Vince is some time away. His legs don't look as good as they did against college opponents do they? And he still hasn't proven to anyone that he can throw the ball consistently.
And Schwartz has a very, very, very green project in Pacman. Shouldn't a shut down corner get a little extra time as well?

I'm being a little sarcastic here but I continue to see Schwartz on the hot seat (as he should be) yet Chow is given a pass.

His offense was inferior last year. It was inferior under Collins. And, guess what, it remains inferior.

It will remain inferior until he can run the football consistently.

If I am the owner of this team, I make running the football the #1 priority of anything this offseason. Screw drafting a WR. I say goodbye to Piller, Mawae and Olson and buy the best OL money can assemble.

If I have any money left over, I do it on the other side of the football on the DL.

If I am the owner of this team, I make running the football the #1 priority of anything this offseason.

Why care so much about offense when the team is eating 30/40 points per game from opponents. Even if we had the best offense in the league we would still lose most of our games thanks to the defense's inability to secure its goal line.

edit: typo

Teams don't score 30/40 points without the football.

thanks to the defense's inability to cause turnovers..

Clearly you can all see that Vince is some time away. His legs don't look as good as they did against college opponents do they?

Eh? Like when has he put them to use to for you to question in this way.

Gee his 19yd TD run against the Colts & him outpacing Mathis on sunday to save a TD looked real shabby by NFL standards.

Chow is just in his 2nd year with a rookie QB. Schwartz has been DC for how long, 5 yrs? He is yet to put even a average Defense on the field.

And the 03 D that was #1 against the run can be credited to Dinger for putting up points early and often.

The same reason Chow is still with the franchise?

Chow's excuse is that it's only his second year. If it's the same story next year I think he'll feel the heat too.

And Schwartz has a very, very, very green project in Pacman. Shouldn't a shut down corner get a little extra time as well?

I'm being a little sarcastic here but I continue to see Schwartz on the hot seat (as he should be) yet Chow is given a pass.

His offense was inferior last year. It was inferior under Collins. And, guess what, it remains inferior.

It will remain inferior until he can run the football consistently.

If I am the owner of this team, I make running the football the #1 priority of anything this offseason. Screw drafting a WR. I say goodbye to Piller, Mawae and Olson and buy the best OL money can assemble.

If I have any money left over, I do it on the other side of the football on the DL.

I've come around a little & laid off him TJ. Most of my post here was sarcasm.

This was the game Chow went away from the running game & hey presto Vince got his @$$ handed to him.

What's wrong with Mawae until we find a young long term guy. Other than that I'm with you. Our youngsters have stepped up on the O line but we need more.

The $40 mill needs to go on a DE,MLB,S & CB.

O linemen are the most expensive FA's out there,they need to come through the draft.

Left T's especially...

A DE, or safety would be best taken with out 1st pick, screw quantity, we need QUALITY, make our defense mean again...

He's the only one on the staff who knows how to turn on a computer?

:ha:

Chow is just in his 2nd year with a rookie QB. Schwartz has been DC for how long, 5 yrs? He is yet to put even a average Defense on the field.
Revisionist history? Check the stats. And yes, it is a team sport. What the offense does has an impact on defense and vice versa.

What's wrong with Mawae until we find a young long term guy.
If the idea is having your players in position to make a run for a few seasons beginning in '08, why do you bring in an aging vet who won't be around in '06? I'm not saying anything except the next C needs to be on the roster next year just as the next G should be.

O linemen are the most expensive FA's out there,they need to come through the draft.
Ideally. But with the cap room the Titans have, I would pay it. I'm talking about the interior here. I think we are good at LT and I have always felt Stewart will be a beast in time. I am not confident on anyone we currently have on the inside long-term.

If the idea is having your players in position to make a run for a few seasons beginning in '08, why do you bring in an aging vet who won't be around in '06? I'm not saying anything except the next C needs to be on the roster next year just as the next G should be.

Wise words IMO. I can see a C coming from the draft though & Mawae seeing out his deal as a mentor.

Ideally. But with the cap room the Titans have, I would pay it. I'm talking about the interior here. I think we are good at LT and I have always felt Stewart will be a beast in time. I am not confident on anyone we currently have on the inside long-term.

Okay I'd pay for a stud at G,that wouldn't be too bad. It's lefties that are the cap killers. Unless we get a 1st rounder yes you may not know what you have in OL'men in time for 08.

The $40 mill needs to go on a DE,MLB,S & CB.

O linemen are the most expensive FA's out there,they need to come through the draft.
In the last 3-5 years the Titans have drafted HEAVILY on the defensive side of the ball.

In the last 3-5 years the Titans have drafted HEAVILY on the defensive side of the ball.

Unfortunately the majority of those picks we have panned the draft for have not turned out to be gold.

Your point MsTitan?

If the idea is having your players in position to make a run for a few seasons beginning in '08, why do you bring in an aging vet who won't be around in '06? I'm not saying anything except the next C needs to be on the roster next year just as the next G should be.


..... I am not confident on anyone we currently have on the inside long-term.

I guess it depends on who is available in FA and the draft. If a real road grader OG is available in either I would have no problem pulling the trigger.

The key is to make sure whoever we spend money on is going to be a true upgrade.

I haven't watched replays of the games enough to really tell where the problems are running the ball or if it is the OC or OGs or OTs that are not getting the job done. If our OC is one of the problems then he needs to be replaced. Either way we need to address the weakest link with a big upgrade.

I haven't watched replays of the games enough to really tell where the problems are running the ball or if it is the OC or OGs or OTs that are not getting the job done. If our OC is one of the problems then he needs to be replaced. Either way we need to address the weakest link with a big upgrade.Once Travis Henry secured the RB position, the run game has been very good. We came out throwing the ball all over the stadium last week because Jeff Fisher wanted to impress his boyfriend Jack DelRio, got behind early and that was the end of it. While Mawae and Olsen probably won't be here if/when this team turns the corner, they are not the problem right now IMO.

Young's 11 for 27 on 3rd and 7 or less isn't helping the run game either. Dare McNair is back. Only with a new QB.

In principle, I agree with what you're saying. If we can run the ball effectively, it'll take a ton of pressure off of VY and only HELP the D.

However, I don't see Mawae as a problem. Pillar and Olson have been. We need a new OG and we'll see how Bell does this year along with Stewart. I don't see Stewart as a beast...but we'll see. He'll have this season to earn and keep his job (along with Bell). I thought Roos might have some problems but he's adjusted better then I could have hoped.

One thing...in another post you intimated that you didn't think any of our DT's (besides AL) and DE's can stop the run. If we can't stop the run, we won't win...period. What is your suggestion for the DL considering there is a real chance they won't re-sign big AL?

As far as signing interior OL...two things. First, it is hard to find a good OC in free agency who is a GOOD (not adequate player). And Steve H set the new standard for LG (he deserves it)....but there are only a couple of guys with that kind of talent and we just missed out on one of them.

The sad thing is, OC and OG are where you get the most bang for your buck in the draft. The best OG usually goes late first early second and the best OC usually is a early second rnd pick. These are good spots to upgrade these positions whereas you can not get a sure fire dominant pass rusher usually outside the top 10.

The most important things are to identify areas in need of upgrades and try and fill those holes via free agency and the draft without setting yourself up for an economic roller coaster. SK said it perfectly that we need to frontload new free agent contracts so we don't start closing VY's window even before he hits his prime!

Gut

If the idea is having your players in position to make a run for a few seasons beginning in '08, why do you bring in an aging vet who won't be around in '06? I'm not saying anything except the next C needs to be on the roster next year just as the next G should be.


I don't think there's any doubt that Mawae came to the Titans to play for just a couple of years while helping a young team and then retire. He had better offers from other clubs I've been told, but chose Tennessee and it's not like we're a contender.

However, I don't see Mawae as a problem. Pillar and Olson have been.
I've yet to see the Titans run the football against a quality defensive line and they still struggle in the red zone. To me, that points to your interior guys not getting it done.

One thing...in another post you intimated that you didn't think any of our DT's (besides AL) and DE's can stop the run. If we can't stop the run, we won't win...period. What is your suggestion for the DL considering there is a real chance they won't re-sign big AL?
I think they'll look to free agency if they can and I would not be surprised to see a DE or DT taken in the first round if the talent is there.

The most important things are to identify areas in need of upgrades and try and fill those holes via free agency and the draft without setting yourself up for an economic roller coaster. SK said it perfectly that we need to frontload new free agent contracts so we don't start closing VY's window even before he hits his prime!
I fully agree. And I don't pretend to have the answers. I think this is something which gets upgraded over a 2-3 season span and is done both via free agency and the draft. But I think the Titans have to recognize that it is an area of weakness and address it by investing in it instead of taking 5th and 6th-round guys and hoping Munch can mold them in a few seasons.

I'll give Chow a break because he has a very, very, very green QB PROJECT in Vince. Clearly you can all see that Vince is some time away. His legs don't look as good as they did against college opponents do they? And he still hasn't proven to anyone that he can throw the ball consistently.
Yeah... You could've said the same thing for the D last year but if you did you would get mobbed by the Anti-Schwartz possie... The Titans are still the 2nd youngest in the NFl but nobody seems to remember that. Chow is in his second year and doesn't deserve a pass anymore than any other coach. That's a bunch on BS... Our Offense has been the worst thing we've had on the field for two years hands down.

Yeah... You could've said the same thing for the D last year but if you did you would get mobbed by the Anti-Schwartz possie... The Titans are still the 2nd youngest in the NFl but nobody seems to remember that. Chow is in his second year and doesn't deserve a pass anymore than any other coach. That's a bunch on BS... Our Offense has been the worst thing we've had on the field for two years hands down.
Give me a break. Our offense last year ranked statistically behind Pittsburgh. Might I add Chow's mandate of keeping Mac healthy, and this was in his first year as a DC? Give me a break... Chow might be a problem, but it is still too early to tell. JS has had 5 years, and we are getting worse. I concede that Chow can do better, but at this point, we need to stop the bleeding. JS is the root cause to our woes, not Chow.

Yeah... You could've said the same thing for the D last year but if you did you would get mobbed by the Anti-Schwartz possie... The Titans are still the 2nd youngest in the NFl but nobody seems to remember that. Chow is in his second year and doesn't deserve a pass anymore than any other coach. That's a bunch on BS... Our Offense has been the worst thing we've had on the field for two years hands down.

A first year coordinator will usually get a pass while the unit learns the system. We also had to keep McNair upright and had a struggling running game with Brown being banged up and poor play at OG.

Year two Reese dumps McNair and pisses Volek off right before the season. So we get to start Collins who clearly didn't know the offense and now have a rookie at the most important position on the football field. Historically, it is almost impossible to have a really good offense while starting a rookie at QB...and we're not exactly surrounding VY with hall of fame talent.

So yes, Chow will get a pass for another year depnding on how VY appears to develop (or not).

Schwartz on the other hand has no dominant rookie to protect. And I hanrdly consider a rookie CB picked at #6 overall a liability as a starter. He may not be great, but he won't be terrible either. And even if you gave Schwartz a pass for last year, what has he done this year with much added talent?

The defense is WORSE!!! And that is a FACT!!!

Gut

JS is the root cause to our woes, not Chow.


The Chow Offense Summarized:

If you throw great deep balls, stop.
If you scramble effectively, stop.
If you can't play a 3-step drop, start.
If you can't execute a shallow cross, run that play.
If you can't screen, then screen.

Schwartz sucks. So does Chow.

In college ball, receivers are open all over the place. In the NFL, they're not.
In college ball, defenses are weak. In the NFL, they will kill you.
Chow does not know this.

Funny how a "schwartzie" thread usually gets around to chow. Some are ready to throw chow out with or ahead of schwartzie, but here are the stats direct from NFL.com.
Total O- 28th ranked-271.4 yards per game, not great I agree.
Passing O-29th ranked-158 yards per game, again not great but VY is getting better and this will go way up.
Rushing O-12th ranked-113.4 yards per game, I was surprised we were ranked this high also but it is something to build on, just needs to be more consistant.
Scoring-30th ranked, same as passing this will only go up.
I don't think a intellectual argument can be made that schwartzie and chow have had the same talent levels or time to develope. In both cases schwartzie has had more. Remember schwartzie inherited a number one ranked D and has driven it into the ground steadily year after year while chow got a beat up QB, a number one reciever that is slow and has the drops and C. Brown his first year as his "go to guy" in the running game. So yeah, chow gets a pass to develope VY and the young'uns while schwartzie just gets shown the door, today would be nice.:irked:

...while schwartzie just gets shown the door, today would be nice.:irked:

3 years ago would have been BETTER!

But I'd take today!!!

Gut

Schwartz sucks. So does Chow.

Wait a minute...

Schwartz sucks more than Chow... :))

Unfortunately the majority of those picks we have panned the draft for have not turned out to be gold.

Your point MsTitan?

That the Titans will once again draft heavily on the defensive side and will not likely draft an O-line or #1 WR.

Wait a minute...

Schwartz sucks more than Chow... :))


I'll take your word for it...I really haven't bothered to compare suction or air flow between the two...

I'll take your word for it...I really haven't bothered to compare suction or air flow between the two...

:ha: :)) :ha: :))

That the Titans will once again draft heavily on the defensive side and will not likely draft an O-line or #1 WR.

Good point :))

I'll take your word for it...I really haven't bothered to compare suction or air flow between the two...This could get ugly.

That the Titans will once again draft heavily on the defensive side and will not likely draft an O-line or #1 WR.

Because our DC cannot find a way to implement his players into his scheme instead he just keeps his theories the same and doesn't play to the strength of his players. Is it a coincidence, none of our Defensive draft picks have done crap? Or is it a merely becuase their coach can't find away to highlight what the player does good(playing Tank in a 2deep zone all the time, you gotta be kidding me).

That is what MsTitan's point was.

TJ, I like your analysis of where our money should go this off-season, but it's not going to happen. There's no FA interior OL guys worth throwing money at. I think if we want to do any upgrading, our money has to go to the defensive side of the ball. That Jared Allen guy is a very attractive FA. He's young and has proven he can get to the QB. Him opposite KVB would give us two dominant DE's for years. All thats left is a dominant DT, whether that's AH or someone we aquire through FA or Draft, we'll see. Next, we need CB help. There's two FA's who are worth throwing some money at and thats Samuels and Clements. Samuels is a very attractive candidate; he's young, has good coverage skills (which is something we've lacked at the CB position for awhile) and has shown improvement each year. If we can address DE, DT and CB in FA it will free our hand immensely in the draft. It will allow us the freedom of drafting offensively. As MsTitan pointed out, it's something we haven't done in a long time.

Our tough "smash mouth" attitude died when Schwartz took over our defense. Even with good talent we could see our dominance diminish. Our D begin to look like a “bend but don’t break” type instead of “Bears” like “kick your butt” 46. Yes Schwartz should have been gone along time ago.

As far as our OC goes, we should have offered Dinker a new contract 3 years ago and instead of letting him move on. I thought he did wonders to move our offense to the next level, far better than the Superbowl team. I have not been impressed with Chow so far. USC was explosive & I expected him to bring that to us.

Our tough "smash mouth" attitude died when Schwartz took over our defense. Even with good talent we could see our dominance diminish. Our D begin to look like a “bend but don’t break” type instead of “Bears” like “kick your butt” 46. Yes Schwartz should have been gone along time ago.

As far as our OC goes, we should have offered Dinker a new contract 3 years ago and instead of letting him move on. I thought he did wonders to move our offense to the next level, far better than the Superbowl team. I have not been impressed with Chow so far. USC was explosive & I expected him to bring that to us.

Yeah, it's kind of ironic to think that we didn't pony up and pay Dinger, but after he left we ended up with a downgrade, but payed him similarly to what Dinger got in NY... Ironic eh?:ha: