this was the first game i got w/ vince starting....and here is wat i noticed

1 - though the wr's dopped a lot of passes....he made some bad throws...one of the ints he shoulda gone to the outside...but went inside (generally throwin outside is safer; away from the cb)

2 - he locks on to his WR's ....he doesnt anaylize the field....i saw so many players that were open that he didnt even look at....i recored the game....and watched it over...he needs to check out his targets...not lock on to just 1.

3 - he is too afraid to run....he coulda ran so many times when he woulda been open to break a nice 10 yard gain...but insted forced a throw. seriosly even the commendator said several times he had open lanes (he coulda had like easily had like 40-60 yard rushing this game)

4 - he needs to use his h-backs more as targets; travis was open in the flat all day

anway those are just some of my comments on the game...from wat i saw...if anyone else watched the game i'd like to know wat u thinik....

i dont think he's afraid to run, i think he's trying to prove he can be a pocket passer instead of just playing football.

i dont think he's afraid to run, i think he's trying to prove he can be a pocket passer instead of just playing football.

Agreed. I think he is trying to get away from the "athletic" title and just be considered a good QB. This was the second game in a row that the announcers brought up Fisher and him wanting Young to run more.

I think it is smart for Young to look pass first. But he also needs to use those legs more often. Chow said it himself as well. The difference in Young and Leinart or Cutler is the running ability. He needs to use it without relying on it.

i think Mac advice has something to do with why he is in the pocket......................VY was told how steve was viewed in TN 97-00

i dont think he's afraid to run, i think he's trying to prove he can be a pocket passer instead of just playing football.

Mike Vick went through last year, rather have VY to get through it all in his rookie season, because after Vick realized he still is a good passer, he said forget it and was Vick again- just smarter with his decisions, and because of it he is having an MVP season...

I'm worried about the multiple interceptions and low passing yards/game.
I hope its just inexperience.

But he also needs to use those legs more often. Chow said it himself as well.


Translation: "That boy needs to run, or else I need to look for another job, 'cuz I can't do NUTTIN' with this guy...."

this was the first game i got w/ vince starting....and here is wat i noticed

1 - though the wr's dopped a lot of passes....he made some bad throws...one of the ints he shoulda gone to the outside...but went inside (generally throwin outside is safer; away from the cb)

2 - he locks on to his WR's ....he doesnt anaylize the field....i saw so many players that were open that he didnt even look at....i recored the game....and watched it over...he needs to check out his targets...not lock on to just 1.

3 - he is too afraid to run....he coulda ran so many times when he woulda been open to break a nice 10 yard gain...but insted forced a throw. seriosly even the commendator said several times he had open lanes (he coulda had like easily had like 40-60 yard rushing this game)

4 - he needs to use his h-backs more as targets; travis was open in the flat all day

anway those are just some of my comments on the game...from wat i saw...if anyone else watched the game i'd like to know wat u thinik....

Good analysis. It has to get frustrating for the other players if they are open and he doesn't throw them the ball.

He had 2 straight games without an int before sunday and had just one int against the colts. Remember also that even vet QBs have bad games. Anyone who saw mcnair in that monday night game against the broncos or brady on sunday night knows that. Let's just see if it is a trend or if he can right himself and put together some more turover free games.

I'm more concerned about the low percentage of passes that are right on the money. Accuracy is harder to improve on then decision making.

and it was pouring rain. Harder to throw, harder to catch, etc... Travis Henry on the other hand did a decent job against the JAx run D

and it was pouring rain. Harder to throw, harder to catch, etc... :suspect:

Garrard and his receivers looked pretty good in those same conditions
Mathis and Starks caught the ball well too

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Garrard and his receivers looked pretty good in those same conditions
Mathis and Starks caught the ball well too


Garrard has a better arm than I thought, Leftwich may not get back on the field. What really hurt us was how wide open his receivers were all day.

bongo, i need soem scoop on this whole thing. how is vince taking this right now, , is fisher leaving after this year, who will replace him?

I thought we had the PM/e-mail talk, Kiminator. ;)

Am I the only one here who thinks Vince looks unathletic? I mean is he Kerry Collins? No, but he sure isn't Mike Vick nor is he even in McNabbs league as far as athleticism. Maybe he is just really that confused out there that he is afraid to just pull it down and GO!

I hope this is just a first year rookie thing, but he needs to get his butt in gear and start scrambling to keep the D honest in their rush lanes. I could care less how many yards he throws for and if he looks like the next Marino or not. I want dubayahs!

Am I the only one here who thinks Vince looks unathletic?
i cant speak for everyone, but i would say yes.

Am I the only one here who thinks Vince looks unathletic? I mean is he Kerry Collins? No, but he sure isn't Mike Vick nor is he even in McNabbs league as far as athleticism. Maybe he is just really that confused out there that he is afraid to just pull it down and GO!

I hope this is just a first year rookie thing, but he needs to get his butt in gear and start scrambling to keep the D honest in their rush lanes. I could care less how many yards he throws for and if he looks like the next Marino or not. I want dubayahs!

You have a short memory, Freak :ha: .

He looked pretty athletic on that 19 yard run vs the Colts & I guarantee you Rashean Mathis doesn't share your opinion.

Much has been said about both Vince & his coaches wanting him to conentrate on the passing aspects of his game. Maybe he's sticking to that side of his game a little too rigidly but it will pay off in the long run.

He uses his legs instinctively, when he's comfortable in the O his running game will encouraged. Trust me that ability is alive & kicking.

I think Vince can make it look effortless sometimes. McNair did that too. He could make a small move and make someone miss. He could flick his arm and toss it 20 yards.

I can't wait for the game to slow down for Vince.

I can't wait for the game to slow down for Vince.


shouldn't that be you can't wait for Young to catch up with the game.

shouldn't that be you can't wait for Young to catch up with the game.
For one to happen, the other does as well. ;)

A lot of us Vince fan boys have been getting a bunch of flack from people because we're focusing more on the positive of Vince rather than the negative. Sure, I'll admit Vince hasn't been lighting it up/struggling, but in his previous starts he's done some good things. However, this game brought a lot of us back down to earth. I do, though, believe Vince is going to be something special and starting him when we did was the best for him. Once he gets comfortable he's going to make it tough on some defenses to keep up. Unathletic? Please....let's not make silly judgements. As someone else stated, I think Rashean Mathis would slap you silly for that. If we take video from these past few starts and compare them to the few games at the end of the season, I guaruntee we'll see huge improvements. Then the off-season comes where he can work on his mechanics, accuracy, etc. Bottom line, I honestly feel Young is going to have a break out season next year - just like Vick did in his 2nd yr.

Am I the only one here who thinks Vince looks unathletic? I mean is he Kerry Collins? No, but he sure isn't Mike Vick nor is he even in McNabbs league as far as athleticism. Maybe he is just really that confused out there that he is afraid to just pull it down and GO!

I hope this is just a first year rookie thing, but he needs to get his butt in gear and start scrambling to keep the D honest in their rush lanes. I could care less how many yards he throws for and if he looks like the next Marino or not. I want dubayahs!

unathletic???...what are you smoking??? Maybe you should ask USC and defensive guru Pete Carrol about that. McNabb is not in Vince's league athletically. I agree that Vince does need to look for the run more and I believe he will as he gets more comfortable in the NFL. He has a lot to absorb right now. Would he be more successful right now if he took off running every time he dropped back to pass? probably so. But he needs to work on reading coverages and he knows that and the coaches now that. The light will turn on for him shortly. Be patient.

I take it that there are a lot of you that did not watch him play at Texas by some of the uninformed posts I've seen. Click the link.

Vince (http://www.youtube.com/w/inVINCEable?v=GlYTlzR1j7k&search=vince+young)

dang, keep throwing up what he did in college..that doesn't compute in the NFL..is it that hard to understand :moon2:

dang, keep throwing up what he did in college..that doesn't compute in the NFL..is it that hard to understand :moon2:

Ewker, read my post again. Reading comprehension is a wonderful thing. I was replying to the person who said he did not look "athletic". I realize that college production may not necessarily correlate to nfl success, but there is no denying that he has few peers from a purely athletic standpoint.

However, Vince is a winner. That is the bottom line. He won in high school, college, and he will win in the NFL. He just has "it". Most people said he was a bit of a project coming out of the draft and needed a year or two to develop. He's only had around 5 starts and he's already had a couple of solid games. Volek may have won a couple more games this year, but the Titans wouldn't make the playoffs with Peyton Manning at QB. Its best for the team that Vince takes his lumps this year and learns from them. The Titans will be a better team for it next year.

unathletic???...what are you smoking??? Maybe you should ask USC and defensive guru Pete Carrol about that. McNabb is not in Vince's league athletically.

I take it that there are a lot of you that did not watch him play at Texas by some of the uninformed posts I've seen. Click the link. Calling Carrol a defensive guru is like comparing Schwartz to Buddy Ryan!

What have we seen to say he's more athletic than McNabb?! I have seen absolutely nothing. Their 40 times are identical. The one play everyone keeps bringing up is the tackle he had on Mathis. Unless I saw the play wrong Vince had about a 10-15 yard head start and the angle.

As far as his legendary UT days that gets thrown out the window. You can't take any of that to Canton.

All I am saying is that he doesn't impress me with his athleticism. When Vick, McNabb, McNair, Culpepper came in the league they all looked lost like Vince does, but when they saw a hole ... boom ... they were off. Vince looks like he is going in slow motion when he scrambles. I think its pretty scary when your athletic QB gets tackled more often from behind by lineman.

Anyhow hopefully I'm just making a big deal about nothing during a crappy season. At this point if Fisher doesn't let Big Al come back after the suspension I'm all for a total anihilation of the front office.
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Ewker, read my post again. Reading comprehension is a wonderful thing. I was replying to the person who said he did not look "athletic". I realize that college production may not necessarily correlate to nfl success, but there is no denying that he has few peers from a purely athletic standpoint.

However, Vince is a winner. That is the bottom line. He won in high school, college, and he will win in the NFL. He just has "it". Most people said he was a bit of a project coming out of the draft and needed a year or two to develop. He's only had around 5 starts and he's already had a couple of solid games. Volek may have won a couple more games this year, but the Titans wouldn't make the playoffs with Peyton Manning at QB. Its best for the team that Vince takes his lumps this year and learns from them. The Titans will be a better team for it next year.

all you did was talk about him in college plus throws links out with him at Texas..like I said this isn't college...put on your glasses dude this is the NFL.

He will be a avg/decent NFL QB

I only made the Pete Carrol comparison because many were jocking Carrol's reputation as a "defensive guru" before the Rose Bowl. He hardly looks like a guru now. I think Vince's lack of productivity running the ball is just a matter of him thinking too much in the pocket and being a little tenative, which should be expected. He's not quite sure when to run and when to stay in the poocket. He should play to his strengths though and scramble more often. When he has scrambled, he has had some success and a couple nice touchdown runs. There arent many NFL players who could catch Vince in the open field. Vince just hasnt given them many chances.

Vince runs straight ahead pretty well, but with his height, I don't believe he can make hard cuts. He rolls out pretty well, but there are QB's in the league with quicker feet in the pocket. He has come up limping three times this year after runs, which is a pretty scary prospect for our franchise QB. Hopefully he won't have a history of ankle problems.

all you did was talk about him in college plus throws links out with him at Texas..like I said this isn't college...put on your glasses dude this is the NFL.

He will be a avg/decent NFL QB

How about you wait and see how he progresses this year and next before you project how good of a QB he will ultimately be??? It would be a much more rational approach.

It's not that I think that Vince doesn't look athletic, but rather, he seems to not have enought pep in his step at times. He's so cool around in the pocket, almost looking like he is gliding rather than running. I catch him realizing that that cool breeze glide he made so successful in college doesn't work so well in the NFL. It's almost like he forgets to run fast, and at the last minute he kicks on the jets to escape a rusher in the backfield. To run the the NFL you must hit the holes hard and fast. They are not open for long. That's why his planned rushes aren't very good.

He still has a ton to learn. Hopefully he rebounds this week with a better game than last.