The Oakland Raiders are preparing to make a run at Falcons QB Michael Vick, according to NFL sources. The Raiders package would include receivers Randy Moss and Jerry Porter plus the No.1 overall pick in the 2007 draft for Vick and the Falcons first round pick (10th overall).

:grrhee:

wow, i dont think that would be a good idea

Is it April already??

Just slightly better than the Rivers-Manning trade...

i don't think its worth it.
Moss and Porter are not what they used to be during their early years, and the Falcons still have to give up their first round pick (10th pick overall)..

Forget Moss and Porter…but Matt Schaub and Calvin Johnson would be a huge upgrade for the Falcons

that would be a huge deal, but where did u hear that puck?

I originally saw it on another board, then found it myself later @ FoxSports

nice job, that would be one of the biggest trades in awhile. i could see vick on the raiders.

that would give the falcons four WRs who were first round picks on their roster, then porter who was a 2nd round pick.

that would be a terrible trade for both teams IMO. vick is not a good qb, and porter/moss dropped just as many passes last year as the ATL WRs.

It's also on SI.coms rumor page. Also note, PitBull, that they give up their number 10 overall pick, but in exchange for the #1 overall. You get two good WRs, you've got a decent QB in Schaub (of course, you can't make this trade if you don't have confidence in him), and you have the #1 pick to fill a major hole. It could be a good deal for a new coach that doesn't want to put up with Vick.

Why does Vick as a Raider just seem to make sense?

they are both terrible.

I bet Calvin Johnson wouldn't mind just having to cross the street to play in the Pro's

I bet Calvin Johnson wouldn't mind just having to cross the street to play in the Pro's
so that would be five first round pick WRs.

maybe, but there's a HUGE difference between CJ and Roddy White

True, but if oakland made that trade, and took CJ, it would be incredibly stupid.

I would like to see that trade..

maybe, but there's a HUGE difference between CJ and Roddy White
three year rule with WRs. im still waiting to see what white does next year.

Also note, PitBull, that they give up their number 10 overall pick, but in exchange for the #1 overall.

Yes... but what I'm saying is that at the end of the day the Falcons would have given up Vick for a 1st draft round pick instead of their 10th. Moss and Porter would be considered arm twisters, but definately not the force behind this trade since both WRs are not what they used to be 3 or 4 years ago. If the Falcons are comfortable with Vick they shouldn't consider it.

But if the Falcons get to keep their number 10 overall pick in addition to their 1st and give up their second round pick instead, only then might it be interesting... imo.

10th overall pick in the draft isn't really that bad. They could still get their hands on a premium player and keep Vick. But in the end, it all comes down to their relationship with Vick and who would be an ideal replacement for him in the draft. If this was 06 and VY was out there, they would be stupid not to accept.

meanwhile...
LaDainian Tomlinson gained 1,815 yards rushing, 508 yards receiving and scored 31 touchdowns, an NFL record during the 2006 season.

http://media3.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/photo/2005/11/27/PH2005112700543.jpg

Yes... but what I'm saying is that at the end of the day the Falcons would have given up Vick for a 1st draft round pick instead of their 10th. Moss and Porter would be considered arm twisters, but definately not the force behind this trade since both WRs are not what they used to be 3 or 4 years ago. If the Falcons are comfortable with Vick they shouldn't consider it.

But if the Falcons get to keep their number 10 overall pick in addition to their 1st and give up their second round pick instead, only then might it be interesting... imo.

10th overall pick in the draft isn't really that bad. They could still get their hands on a premium player and keep Vick. But in the end, it all comes down to their relationship with Vick and who would be an ideal replacement for him in the draft. If this was 06 and VY was out there, they would be stupid not to accept.


I actually just don't understand your post. Maybe I'm missing something. The Falcons don't have the 1st overall pick. Look at the draft trade chart, the difference between Pick 1(3000) and Pick 10(1300) is HUGE. The dropoff between the #10(1300) overall pick and the falcons' second round pick(350) is also huge. The falcons would make a giant step up in getting the number one pick, and there's no way the raiders would let them have it for their second rounder. If they would get the #1 pick in exchage for their second rounder and Vick, with the WRs as bonuses, it would be a no brainer.

Of course, the trade ONLY goes down if the Falcons have serious doubts about Vick.

Who wants any of these players? The only thing that matters in the whole trade are the draft picks.

Who wants any of these players? The only thing that matters in the whole trade are the draft picks.

You're out of your mind! What, you don't think Vick is an upgrade over Aaron Brooks? And you don't think Moss and Porter are an upgrade over Jenkins and Lelie?! Pshaw!

You're out of your mind! What, you don't think Vick is an upgrade over Aaron Brooks? And you don't think Moss and Porter are an upgrade over Jenkins and Lelie?! Pshaw!
:whoop:

I actually just don't understand your post. Maybe I'm missing something. The Falcons don't have the 1st overall pick. Look at the draft trade chart, the difference between Pick 1(3000) and Pick 10(1300) is HUGE. The dropoff between the #10(1300) overall pick and the falcons' second round pick(350) is also huge. The falcons would make a giant step up in getting the number one pick, and there's no way the raiders would let them have it for their second rounder. If they would get the #1 pick in exchage for their second rounder and Vick, with the WRs as bonuses, it would be a no brainer.

Of course, the trade ONLY goes down if the Falcons have serious doubts about Vick.


Actually I'm re-reading my posts again and they sound very clear and deliberately put in easy terms so they would be comprehended.. As to the reason that they are not comprehended by you is a mystery to me.

What I have said, (and will re-say) is that the only numbers I care about are the 10th overall pick and 1st overall draft pick.. Everything else including the difference between 3000 and 1300 being 'HUGE' is plain rubbish and doesn't feed the fishes..

To re-iterate in easier terms, I don't think the difference between a 1st overall draft pick and a 10th overall draft pick is that of a HUGE difference (as you claim it to be) unless the Falcons are having serious internal issues with Vick, and would prefer someone else whom they could elect with their (Raiders) 1st overall pick, who otherwise won't make it to their (Falcons) 10th overall pick. However if the Falcons' relationship with Vick is fine, its not worth trading him for Moss, Porter and the Raider's 1st overall draft pick especially if they have been structuring the offense around Vick since the day he had joined their franchise..

At the end it comes down to which player the Falcons would pick with the Raiders 1st overall pick (whom the Falcons otherwise can't draft with their 10th overall pick) if they do agree to the trade, and if its worth giving up Vick for that player.

Moss and Porter otherwise serve as the ice cream beside the Soufflé instead of the chocolate stuffing itself.

http://www.gourmetfoodplaza.com/Images/Recipe/ImagesFrenchRecipes/Chocolate%20Truffle%20Souffle%20Cake.jpg

Yummy..

"unless the Falcons are having serious internal issues with Vick, and would prefer someone else whom they could elect with their (Raiders) 1st overall pick, who otherwise won't make it to their (Falcons) 10th overall pick."

I'd say there are about nine players they think won't make it to the 10th pick. Alot of them really quite good. Then again Mcallister went #10 the year Couch wen't #1 so...

By the way

:whoop: this

is awesome.


EDIT: That does look really, really yummy!

Ah, well, then I did understand you, I just didn't think you would make that point. We just disagree, I think the 10th draft pick has an INCREDIBLY greater value than the 10th. It certainly does on the market with other teams. It's hard to talk about it too much in detail since we aren't falcons fans and don't have as much knowledge about what they want and need, but presumably there is someone who will go well above #10 that could substantially help their team. Of course, the draft is a guessing game, but since it is, you have to make the guesses anyway, and hope you make the right ones. But yes, your original post is clear, I just doubted that you really wanted to make that statement.

Also note, this whole thing isn't happening...

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2740940

Ah, well, then I did understand you, I just didn't think you would make that point.

"I just didn't think you would make that point" :suspect:
What point?

That Vick might be better than a first overall round pick since the Falcons already have the 10th? Who do you see out there in the draft whom you would consider better than Vick that the Falcons need so desperately that they would give up their starting QB for?

GT.. your obnoxious comments are pure comedy. Absolutely amusing..

Wow, my obnoxious comments. Come on, every time I question an opinion or statement of yours you tell me I can't read and that your posts are the picture of clarity. Don't tell me you're taking the high road.

As I've mentioned, of course this whole thing was based off the idea that the Falcons aren't happy with Vick. Clearly, from the link I posted, they're happy with him and don't care about any additude issues, and the new coach is ok with adapting the offense around him. Because of those two things, clearly this deal wouldn't be a good idea. But this discussion was a "what if", and if they weren't very happy with him, he'd certainly be worth trading to move up nine spots to the top of the draft AND get two solid receivers. They may be icing on the cake, but that would solidly fill a hole in their offense. Those two things would be worth it, in my opinion, if they already had questions about Vick. Most of your supporting points are true, but are NOT what was assumed in discussing the conditions for this trade.

GT.. you do have the tendency of quoting and starting a new post without reading the post correctly..(from my experience with you anyway) or maybe you aren’t much of a reader.. I don’t know and frankly I don’t give a .. Just don’t put words in my mouth with your posts.

I actually just don't understand your post. Maybe I'm missing something. The Falcons don't have the 1st overall pick.

Quote me saying that the Falcons do have the 1st overall pick.. You’re quotes are hilarious.. I don't know.. maybe you imagine things.

Anyway… I’m not prepared to play the “you said, I said” game with you.. we’ll leave that to husband and wife, and 16 year old high school cheer leaders.

If you’re going to quote me, do it correctly or don’t do it at all.

Yes... but what I'm saying is that at the end of the day the Falcons would have given up Vick for a 1st draft round pick instead of their 10th. Moss and Porter would be considered arm twisters, but definately not the force behind this trade since both WRs are not what they used to be 3 or 4 years ago. If the Falcons are comfortable with Vick they shouldn't consider it.

But if the Falcons get to keep their number 10 overall pick in addition to their 1st and give up their second round pick instead, only then might it be interesting... imo.

10th overall pick in the draft isn't really that bad. They could still get their hands on a premium player and keep Vick. But in the end, it all comes down to their relationship with Vick and who would be an ideal replacement for him in the draft. If this was 06 and VY was out there, they would be stupid not to accept.


Allright, here's where my question came from. Note that in two sentences here you have sentences where the falcons are the subject, there is no mention of the raiders, and yet you use "their", without making reference to the raiders. You use "their" in reference to both the falcons and the raiders, without any indication. Those sentences are what made me say I wasn't understanding you clearly. Those sentences are what made me think that you thought the Falcons already had the #1 pick. Knowing your opinion, it can be read clearly. Without your later explanation, it is difficult to decipher your meaning here with the two dangling pronouns.
As I said in my earlier post, I assumed you were grammatically correct and wrong in your undertanding of the draft picks, because I didn't think you would make the argument that there was not a significant difference between the first and tenth picks in the draft.

Once again, please refrain from stating that I'm not reading your posts. Miscommunication happens, and it's not always other people's stupidity for not understanding your argument.

http://www.tennoji-h.oku.ed.jp/tennoji/tec&home/accard/humanbeing/teacher.jpg

Thankyou for the english lesson GT.. maybe someday i can pm you and we can both discuss how to make my posts more "comprehendable" to decrease "Miscommunication" so that you can decipher my further posts and avoid both of us wasting our times arguing as to why my "its" don't sound like "it's" thus avoiding it from being totally uncomprehendable rubbish.

Maybe you can teach me how to cook too..

http://pressurecooker.phil.cmu.edu/Photos/MurderCC/images/1-Bob_Cook.jpg


Me so hungry.. oops.. decipher that.

Classy. Tell me your statements are perfectly clear and challenge me to defend myself. When I do so, mock it. I guess you'll just go on and keep pretending that your posts are always well written and logical, and anyone who can't see that clearly has no point of their own to be made. Glad to see you in a discussion forum, you bring so much to the table.

http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/tv_pix/nbc/the_office/angela_kinsey/office_haaseth.jpg






No but seriously..I''m not mocking you.. i'm trying to break into your sense of humor..

Come on now.. give me a hug..

http://www.msn-problems.com/images/howto/big-hug.jpg

Don't bring Hobbes into this...

http://www.ling.helsinki.fi/users/shvayryn/kuvia/calvin_hobbes_800_600.jpg

http://www.delawareja.com/gallery/data/500/38Cal_and_Hobbes.JPG

Classy. Tell me your statements are perfectly clear and challenge me to defend myself. When I do so, mock it. I guess you'll just go on and keep pretending that your posts are always well written and logical, and anyone who can't see that clearly has no point of their own to be made. Glad to see you in a discussion forum, you bring so much to the table.


Oh come one now.. why did you have to go edit your post to make it more nastier.. it was fine the first time.. :grrhee:

Oh, I'm familiar, I actually have all of the books somewhere, I was upset when he retired.

Oh come one now.. why did you have to go edit your post to make it more nastier.. it was fine the first time.. :grrhee:

I figured you deserved it.

http://www.sameks.net/random/ayb_calvin_and_hobbes.jpg

I have no idea who this guy is.. he's under Hobbes..
Maybe he's the creater

http://www.patrick-bernau.de/products/hobbes/hobbes.jpg

I really hope you're joking about the picture.

Also note, the cartoon posted is not written by Bill. He hated copyright infringement and was notoriously strict in not allowing any liscensing agreements. The cartoon is changed completely.

Here's a good comeback line..

http://www.w3bdevil.com/forums/Chill-Hobbes.gif

the Evil Hobbes.

http://www2.cs.uh.edu/~bucky/images/hobbes.gif

...And I'm done. Keep going if it has anything to do with a Vick trade...

the drunk hobbes

http://www-personal.engin.umich.edu/~tbj/homepageFiles/c&h/hobbes.gif

This isn't even funny..
Or maybe i'm not getting it.. Somebody please explain.

http://www.comicxp.info/data/511/Calvin_Hobbes_Comics_159.jpg

meanwhile...
LaDainian Tomlinson gained 1,815 yards rushing, 508 yards receiving and scored 31 touchdowns, an NFL record during the 2006 season.

http://media3.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/photo/2005/11/27/PH2005112700543.jpg

yeah

and a buddy of mine (MEAN MACHINE - a Cowboys fan) just couldn't stand the fact that I picked up Tony Romo back in like week 4 of the season
so I traded him Tiki Barber, Duece McAllister and Tony Romo for LaDainian and Smkon Gado (the week he was traded to Houston)
so I had to listen to how he wished he hadn't traded LT to me in the first place for 12 weeks

:grrhee:

I still think he got good value for the trade

smack returner square off! May I be blunt?

http://d.im.craigslist.org/94/NE/Ja1eRLQG5XMEDgOWY6o457wsmzIU.jpg

Toke boy is done there.

You may, but the statement from today says otherwise...