http://au.ps3.ign.com/articles/758/758121p1.html

however they worked that out.

Anyone thinking there will be a winner ought to be locked up for good....

I don't see a clear winner either. Looks like both systems are in the same ball park. Xbox hasn't taken me anywhere special, but it doesn't seem like ps3 will do that either.

There is always a winner.

And right now PS2 games is outselling the rest. But all consoles have a slow start.

The only reason I can see a Sony win is because of their international popularity.

Even the Xbox 1 outsould the Ps2 in the last few years. Of course by 2010 the PS3's techinology will allow it to survive a bit longer as the X360 gets long in the tooth.

MS could almost crush Sony if they really wanted to. They could drop the price of the X360s by 100$, and add an internal HD-DVD drive.

Xbox is clearly the developers' platform of choice. They have the better online capabilities by a vast amount, and factor than into the disdain over Sony's crappy PR blunders over the past few years, I don't see Sony winning anytime soon.

Considering the add-ons for the 360, it costs more than the PS3.

Considering the add-ons for the 360, it costs more than the PS3.
I got mine brand new for $400 with everything (hard drive, remote, component cable, joystick and headset) except HD DVD Drive, that is $200. My math puts those at exactly even w/ HD DVD included. I can't think of any other periferals that you wouldn't have to buy for both systems.

the games are better on the 360

Gears of war 3 million copies in the first 10 weeks
http://www.xbox360fanboy.com/2007/01/19/gears-of-war-sells-3-million-surprise/

lost planet
halo 3
saints row
dead riseing
crackdown
comand and conquer 3 tibarium wars

the list gos on...

i got to show you this one gunny
right from psm mag
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the games are better on the 360

Gears of war 3 million copies in the first 10 weeks
http://www.xbox360fanboy.com/2007/01/19/gears-of-war-sells-3-million-surprise/

lost planet
halo 3
saints row
dead riseing
crackdown
comand and conquer 3 tibarium wars


It is way to early to compare games...especially ones that aren't out.

especially ones that aren't out.
like that makes any sense :yes:

Even the Xbox 1 outsould the Ps2 in the last few years.

Where did you hear that? The PS2 has been actually outselling the 360, let alone the original Xbox - this is of course before the PS3 was released.

MS could almost crush Sony if they really wanted to. They could drop the price of the X360s by 100$, and add an internal HD-DVD drive.

Microsoft got into the video game business to make money, not because they have a personal vendetta against Sony. They lost money with the Xbox for the first three years and they are just now starting to make up for it with the 360 - they might consider lowering the price in Japan where they have a small market, but not in the US.

Microsoft could have delivered a big blow to Sony by releasing a great line up of games (especially at end of last year), but they have failed to do so. There are a couple of great games for sure, though, not enough to put down the PS3. That might change with some promising games coming up soon such as Mass Effect and Bioshock, but that gives the PS3 enough time to come up with good games of its own.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/2004/05/26/news_6099369.html

That article is 3 years old.

That article is 3 years old.

yeah and thats what supdawg said. he said a FEW years ago the xbox was outselling the ps2 and he was using an article from a FEW years ago to support his argument.

He said in the last few years. Things may have changed between then and now.

However because the X-Box outsold the PS2 in the USA doesn't mean it outsold it overall...which it didn't.

However because the X-Box outsold the PS2 in the USA doesn't mean it outsold it overall...which it didn't.

And of course you will now provide a link to prove your claim, right? ;)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Console_wars

which also shows PS2 outsold X-Box in USA.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/2004/05/26/news_6099369.html

Are you trying to prove that you were wrong? That article points out that the Xbox outsold the PS2 in April and in the US only. I think there were a total of two months in which the Xbox outsold the PS2 that year, if I'm not mistaken, but that was it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Console_wars

which also shows PS2 outsold X-Box in USA.

Don't know if I trust a Wiki page that is:

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Not saying you're not right, just saying I don't trust that "evidence".

There are citations leading to other pages.

Are you trying to prove that you were wrong? That article points out that the Xbox outsold the PS2 in April and in the US only. I think there were a total of two months in which the Xbox outsold the PS2 that year, if I'm not mistaken, but that was it.
Its obvious you're a Sony fan boy. I don't really care one way or the other. And yes, the US is the world. :)

Its obvious you're a Sony fan boy.

urr unless only Sony fan boys have the ability to read he is just pointing out the obvious.

There are citations leading to other pages.

Well, unless I overlooked something, none of those citations are particularly helpful when wanting to compare the two. The only thing I came across was that in Q2 2006 MS "Games Division" had $1.56B in sales and Sony "Games Division" had $1.4B in sales. Now I don't know the pricetags of the various consoles, but if they are about equal (as would be expected if it's a competitive market) then it's indicating that MS sold more than Sony.

Of course the problem is that the numbers aren't broken down into individual XBOX and PS2 figures, but incorporate all accessories and probably also games.

But again, that's just 1 quarter, I couldn't find any really comparable data to determine the total units sold for a given time period (of course I only skimmed the various data as sifting through it would take a long time).

As far as I can tell the PS2 is obviously going to have an advantage as far as total number of units sold, being that it was launched some 2 years before the XBOX. The interesting data is number of units sold between 2002 and the present.

The interesting data is number of units sold between 2002 and the present.

Even that is skewed because of the already established fan base and those who already have one.

Its obvious you're a Sony fan boy.

Because I pointed out that you were wrong? If you really didn't care about it, then why bother bringing it up in the first place?

I admit to being to being an XBOX homer, but I also know that while I think it is the best system on the market right now I can admit it isn't the top selling. I don't care as long as they keep making games for it (former Dreamcast owner speaking there).

Xbox wins in the US, but loses overall BC Sony is worldwide, if XBOX360 went worldwide, they would outsell all

last time I checked Microsoft and X-Box are both sold worldwide.

That argument holds no water.

last time I checked Microsoft and X-Box are both sold worldwide.

That argument holds no water.


not necessarily, if you think about it, even it they are available worldwide, the problem is sony goes out of their way more to advertise everywhere, and yes, thats microsofts fault, if they put more time into foreign advertisement, i think they could compete

They are sold worldwide and both are advertised.

It is either because people get the first console out (which has usually been Sony except the PS3) or Sony is their choice. Plus some don't buy American because they're "evil"

They are sold worldwide and both are advertised.

Plus some don't buy American because they're "evil"

1- the ps2 gave sony more leverage early int he gaming business worldwide, so many we septical when trying a new company, they thing, "why go somewhere else when i have what i want right here"

2-yes, America is sought to be the evil country

Don't forget the games were much better on PS2.

Um Xbox barely sold out Gamecube worldwide..Xbox sold approx 24 mill while Cube sold 21 mill and Japan never liked Xbox and you WANT Japan to buy your system for it to be a success..otherwise most the biggest developers won't make games for it.

With Mystwalker studios (from the creator of Final Fantasy) releasing Blue Dragon 360 has been doing better(also helps the character design is the same as Dragon Quest) and has other RPGS lined up and now that Dragon Quest is back on Nintendo systems Japan will take even more to Wii and DS (and they were going crazy as is) since Dragon Quest is THE largest game franchise in Japan.

Wii is like the new ipod and DS has blown PSP out of the water in all markets in sales both hardware and software.

unless were talking Halo, which will go down as the best game series, EVER

and my point exactly, japanese are hesitant to buy XB/XB360
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unless were talking Halo, which will go down as the best game series, EVER

No...just no.

No...just no.


never, im a Halo homer, for life, and dont say Final Fantasy, that was like, idk, kinda queer

and my point exactly, japanese are hesitant to buy XB/XB360

They are hesitant to buy the PS3 right now.

They are hesitant to buy the PS3 right now.

yea, true, i guess well jus have to wait and see for like 2 yrs and see what does the best, for all we know, Wii could somehow come out on top

never, im a Halo homer, for life, and dont say Final Fantasy, that was like, idk, kinda queer

regardless of being a Homer, if it didnt have online it would be average.

its storyline is basic and run of the mill.

And there is nothing ground breaking about it.

halo?..nah I found it boring as can be.

Personal fave game series ever is Shenmue (yeah most of you never heard about it I am sure)

since Dragon Quest is THE largest game franchise in Japan.

In terms of what?

regardless of being a Homer, if it didnt have online it would be average.

its storyline is basic and run of the mill.

And there is nothing ground breaking about it.


i like the storyline, i only read the 1st book, so the books add to the depth too, but, they say that the makers of halo didnt want to make you have to read the book to understand the story

halo?..nah I found it boring as can be.

Personal fave game series ever is Shenmue (yeah most of you never heard about it I am sure)


yea you got me, and what is dragon quest, sounds like you play weird games

Books aren't video games so really it doesn't count.

In terms of what?
It always has been the biggest selling franchise in Japan MUCH bigger than even Final Fantasy.

Dragon Quest has done decent in the states but not the obsession it is in Japan.

yea you got me, and what is dragon quest, sounds like you play weird games

Dragon Quest is an RPG. I think there are 8 of them out.

I have heard of Shenmue before but never played it.

It always has been the biggest selling franchise in Japan MUCH bigger than even Final Fantasy.

Dragon Quest has done decent in the states but not the obsession it is in Japan.


yea, they get creepy down there with some of the games they play, lol

:eek: How can someone call themselves gamer and never hear of huge franchise like Dragon Quest!?

They get creepy when they dress up like characters. Especially when most RPG characters are very slutty looking.

RPGs is a highly popular genre.

:eek: How can someone call themselves gamer and never hear of huge franchise like Dragon Quest!?

I have DQ8 but I found it very dry so far.

I should give it another go...maybe after Rogue Galaxy.

^Rogue Galagy is supposed to be very much like a RPG I loved called Skies of Arcadia in a few ways.



Japan rules :))

I love thier sense of humour and quirkyness and culture.

:eek: How can someone call themselves gamer and never hear of huge franchise like Dragon Quest!?

never said i was a big gamer, but i like, madden, halo,metal gear series. ill get nhl 2k8(none this yr bc no new sabres jerseys), and thats bout it, i used to play like megaman, strider, street fighter, and super hero games, but i really only play madden, halo,metal gear, and NHL, all of which im very good at since thats all i play

Very free spirited that's for sure.

And most of the great games come from there so they are alright in my book.

Xbox wins in the US, but loses overall BC Sony is worldwide, if XBOX360 went worldwide, they would outsell all

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_360_launch#Launch_dates_and_prices

unless were talking Halo, which will go down as the best game series, EVER

:barf:

i would take so many other games over halo, probably a few hundred.

i think the best system as far as games are concerned was the super nintendo. man, i regret giving that thing away. i probably had 30-35 games.

RPGs is a highly popular genre.

i like rpgs but i absolutely love rts game like c&c series, warhammer series, act of war and many other great rts games that i cant think of right now:ha:

RTS are good. I loved the C&C series. Unfortunately they don't seem to make many.

Shenmue was a great game, I played it through so many times

^Rogue Galagy is supposed to be very much like a RPG I loved called Skies of Arcadia in a few ways.


It is quite an enjoyable game so far.

RTS are good. I loved the C&C series. Unfortunately they don't seem to make many.

its for the 360 and the pc i reserved my copy for the 360 i can't wait
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heres some gameplay footage of c&c 3. turn down the volume trust me around 2:40 it gets anoying.. lol

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I liked Red Alert where they had real countries.