Yep, 2k8 football, without any real team or player names, its a joke, EA got beat, so they bout the NFL rights, theyre so lazy at EA, they care about the money, while 2K trys their best to make a great game at a great price, its a shame well probably never really see the full affect of 2kgames in football, becuase no one will buy it, and they wont be able to gain enough profit to keep going

I think if the buyout didnt happen, 2k sports would be better than Madden by next year

:rolleyes:

Yep, 2k8 football, without any real team or player names, its a joke, EA got beat, so they bout the NFL rights, theyre so lazy at EA, they care about the money, while 2K trys their best to make a great game at a great price, its a shame well probably never really see the full affect of 2kgames in football, becuase no one will buy it, and they wont be able to gain enough profit to keep going

I think if the buyout didnt happen, 2k sports would be better than Madden by next year

For my money, 2k5 is still the best football game ever made. They already had EA beat in my opinion.

I will purchase this new 2K football game the day it is released. I am very much excited for it. Regardless if it has the NFL license or not.

The fact that 2K8 exists now will only put pressure on EA to keep improving the Madden franchise.

If the gameplay of 2K8 is as good as I am hoping for, it will put pressure on the NFL to not give away exclusive licensing.

People will purchase this new 2K football game.

The fact that they have kept on developing a football engine even without the NFL license means that they are here to compete for the long haul. Hopefully in a few more years, the NFL does the *right* thing.

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while I still think Madden has the better dynasty mode and franchise mode.. or atleast did in Madden 05 and 06 for the xbox and ps2 .. i think the actual on the field gameplay went to 2k5 hands down..

Yeah Madden has more depth like create a team choices, dynasty, mini games, ect. but 2k has awsome gameplay and I will definetly buy it when released. I could play 2kgames all day there addicting the running and passing are great as well as the defense.

Madden needs 1st person mode like the 2K's had.

Madden needs a lot of things.

:werd:

Madden and EA just suck.

I was never a big 2k series fan till I played NFL 2k5 and it was the best Football game I ever played to this day.

I long for the day NFL breaks the agreement with EA and we get 2k NFL back but as for 2k8 I will DEF buy it as I just won't buy EA crap.

:rolleyes:


Why roll your eyes Gunny? I do believe that if no liscencing monopolies had gone down, NFL 2k series WOULD be putting out better games right now. See that's what you guys don't understand. The second the NFL inked that deal, WE the gamers lost. When theres ZERO competition, why make a very flawed product any better? :rolleyes:

Why roll your eyes Gunny? I do believe that if no liscencing monopolies had gone down, NFL 2k series WOULD be putting out better games right now. See that's what you guys don't understand. The second the NFL inked that deal, WE the gamers lost. When theres ZERO competition, why make a very flawed product any better? :rolleyes:


yep, yep

I rolled my eyes because it is a two way street.

EA bought what the NFL was selling. Any smart business man would do the same.

2k's gameplay was better then Madden's no contest. Only thing is Madden had 2k beat with the Franchise/Career Mode. I like 2k being cheaper. If 2k can improve it's Franchise it could out sell Madden.

Not without licensing it won't.

I'd buy the game without liscencing, and I know a lot of other people would too.

I'd buy the game without liscencing, and I know a lot of other people would too.

If they made it for the PC I would too. I'm so fed up with the unrealistic gameplay of Madden. Of course I don't know if the 2K games are any better, but it's worth a shot.

It was infinitely more realistic AI in 2k4 than in Madden04, and that was 4 years ago. Imagine the additions to it's already spectacular run blocking AI in 2007...

I'd buy the game without liscencing, and I know a lot of other people would too.

and?

a lot of people are anal about having real teams and players.

and?

a lot of people are anal about having real teams and players.

Well the probably just going to do the classic Asian naming trick, you know having K. Bolluck and V. Yung in the game :ha:
Seriously, my Samsung phone has a footy game where you can pick between Owan or Backhim from England, Zitane or Henli from France and Chlose or Ballock from Germany. And considering illiteracy is on the rise, a large portion of the buyers probably wouldn't notice anyway :ha:

and?

a lot of people are anal about having real teams and players.


Well, then they're idiots if you have a better product sitting right there.

Well, then they're idiots if you have a better product sitting right there.

that's a matter of opinion.

Licensing rules the gaming world, it is what made tecmobowl, nba live, and all the originals so powerful. It was the first time you could play with the players. It was no longer a game. It was living the dream. So I think no license will be the death of the game. EA will all but obliterate it. ESPN is a close second to the nfl, but even espn is nothing without the nfl. The players rule.

that's a matter of opinion.


As a gamer, you should have a higher opinion of that. I would expect that opinion of the dude who throws down 500 on a system just to play Madden. If anyone were to tell me they'd buy an inferior product just because they'd have Vince Young as a QB instead of #10, then they're just plain dumb and shallow about what they purchase.

What people like better and what they want is a matter of opinion and neither you or I really have the right to say what is right or wrong.

NFL put up the rights to be sold, and EA bought them. If the 2K series bought them instead of EA I am almost 100% no one would be complaining as loudly as they are because EA bought them.

It is smart business and that is what gaming is, a business.

And my point is that WE suffer, and if WE were smart, we'd stop encouraging such "smart" business decisions.

Who encourages it? EA are copping it for producing poor NFL games (according to some)

Everyone who buys Madden is encouraging EA and other companies to pull monopolies on liscencing (i.e. hurting the market for that game), and thus losses the spirit of competition. When that happens, developers get lazy (notice, Madden only adds a pitiful handful of features and roster updates, yet you're paying 50 dollars for it).

SO, if you want to send a message, stop buying the stupid product. EA and other companies knows we're a bunch of brainless consumers who will buy whatever is put in front of us, because there is nothing else to buy. THAT's the reason people are so pissed at EA, because WE are the one's suffering. I don't give a **** if it was a good business deal, I'm the one who suffers with so-so football gaming. It's the same reason I took my copy back to EB games after a month; I realized I had been suckered into the same product that I've bought since 2004.

In theory that should work, yet some people still like Madden and will buy it (as I said before it is a matter of opinion which is better Madden or 2k).

As for EA buying the rights, I don't agree with it but I can see their point of view on it.

In a competitive enviroment, you are allowed to squash your competition. Right? Or do you want parity, so that no game can get any advantage over any other. It is a fine line. If everyone can have the same license, then everyone should have the same engine too, but that doesn't stimulate anything.

I personally think that all games should have licensing, because it benefits me, but licensing is there to proctect the nfl, not me, so they have the right to do as they please.

In a competitive enviroment, you are allowed to squash your competition. Right? Or do you want parity, so that no game can get any advantage over any other. It is a fine line. If everyone can have the same license, then everyone should have the same engine too, but that doesn't stimulate anything.

I personally think that all games should have licensing, because it benefits me, but licensing is there to proctect the nfl, not me, so they have the right to do as they please.

Firstly, licensing is not about protecting anything other than profit.
Secondly, the license isn't about parity, in fact I would argue it's the exact opposite. The one to benefit the most from a license that isn't available to everybody is the one with the weakest product.
And lastly, as soon as you make an exclusive license you eliminate the competitive environment, and as everybody knows, competition drives innovation.

Competition is what drove ea to get the exclusive licensing. It doesn't always work the way you think it is supposed to.

Competition is what drove ea to get the exclusive licensing.

Yep, because they were being seriously outperformed. So again, exclusive licensing kills competition, which kills innovation. So unless you're happy with the status quo, exclusive licensing is a bad idea.

Now I understand why both EA and the NFL wanted an exclusive license, unfortunately the end-user didn't factor into these considerations at all.

Yep, because they were being seriously outperformed.

That is opinion.

Of course it's an opinion. Problem is, almost everyone who played the 2k series, not blinded by fanboyism, at least began to see the strengthes in the games. ****, clearly Madden's OWN DEVELOPERS saw that 2k was building a better engine (and yeah, they were). They also saw that more and more people were jumping the Madden ship and swimming over to 2k. So they squashed that as soon as possible. Good business move? Sure. Everyone else suffer? You bet. You keep harping that it's all opinion, except clearly it was opinion more and more people were holding.

You keep harping that it's all opinion, except clearly it was opinion more and more people were holding.

How is that clear?

First you make a blind generalisation that "everyone" saw the strengths and then in your opinion it was clear more people were holding that opinion when I see no facts or anything to support that claim.

How is that clear?

First you make a blind generalisation that "everyone" saw the strengths and then in your opinion it was clear more people were holding that opinion when I see no facts or anything to support that claim.

Well, I'm with Kami there was forming a strong consensus in the online football communities that Madden, well actually several of EA Sports titles were being outdeveloped by other companies.
If you could find sales number for the last couple of years (which I doubt), I'm pretty sure you'd see EA's numbers go down in the years leading up to signing the exclusive license. The game was stale and pretty much didn't evolve since 2001 or 2002 (and no I don't consider Create-a-crap evolution). Only last year did Madden evolve with the Superstar and leadblocker mode, both of which are still work in progress.

Sales were going up for the ESPN games, critics were making clear differences between the two games, and that 2k series was already near par, if not surpassed in some aspects. No, I'm not gonna dig for stats, but I wouldn't lie to support such a silly arguement. More and more people were buying 2k and not Madden, thus people were seeing that there was in fact a better product by many standards. I said virtually everyone not blinded by their fanboyism saw 2k's strengthes, not everyone in general.

Article on the advancements in animation from IGN.....

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/772/772822p1.html

checkout the video on page 3 of the article as it shows what is rumored to be the animations that are going to be used for All Pro Football 2K8.

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/772/772822p3.html

If this is the case, I am expecting another great football game from VC/2K Sports.

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I know this thread is about football, but there's a lot of talk about licensing. So I was wondering... why doesn't EA make a MLB game anymore?

2K got the rights for cross platform console MLB games shortly after EA got the NFL.

The MLB agreement is a little different than the NFL one. With the NFL agreement, EA is the only one that can make an NFL game period.

Sony can still make their MLB game for their systems, but only 2K can make the cross platform one.

It is nothing but stupid either way.

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Oh okay, I get it now. Thanks for the info