I was just curious if you guys blame the front office for not doing a good job in checking into Pac-Man's pre-Titan behavior/ WVU behavior. You don't become a problematic player overnight. I know Reese had said that a thorough background check was done and plenty of his teammates were interviewed about him...Do you buy this? I have been at 2 locations with Pac-Man( where he also was..not in his entourage:grrhee: ) and the first was almost a year and a half ago at the WildHorse Sallon and he was smoking weed in the club and the second was about 2 months ago when Gaddy had a party at 615 night club and Pac-Man came in the club with about 15 people smelling like a weed factory. Young Buck was with him. Pac-Man was extremely drunk when he got there at 12 midnight and immediately took the VIP Room and 45 minutes later he was on stage rapping and "taking over the party". McNair was there and several of his teammates(Henry,Robaire Smith, Lendale) McNair was there and he was sitting 2 tables away from me shaking his head while Pac-Man was dancing and cussing on stage. This was the night that McNair's hand got stepped on in the game...just giving some facts and creating a timeline because many will say I'm lying:yes:

Does this sort of behavior just pop up or did our front office drop the ball? I coach youth football and I have been around troubled youth all my life.. Pac-Man is a thug and he is a thug that does not appear to want to change. His favorite quote on the club stage was "I'm 22 years old and a millionaire..you better get with me or get left behind"

You ask a legitimate question but I don't think most of your accusations belong anywhere but a rumor forum.

That draft was the first year I really payed a lot of attention to the draft and the one thing that kept coming up was his background. Everyone knew what he had been up to and that he was a trouble maker, I guess the front office found enough out that they thought he could change, and he's definately a playmaker, so I can understand the choice from a football standpoint, but the whole time leading up to the draft I wanted Antrell Rolle (who was taken two picks later by Arizona)

Honestly tho, he hasn't been convicted of anything as a Titan and he hasn't even been charged with anything for the latest 'incident'

No, I blame the press for trying to conjure up stories constantly and the general public for believing every unconfirmed rumour to be the truth.

Pac just needs to be smarter with whom he asssociates with, his surrounding, and the situations he finds himself in.

Pac just needs to be smarter with whom he asssociates with, his surrounding, and the situations he finds himself in.

He was at a party in connection with the NBA All-Star game, don't tell me you would have stayed home, had you been invited. Should he stay away from the Oscar's too?

I find it more interesting that this is the second lethal shooting this year already that has close ties to the NBA (refer Kenyon Martin's birthday party and Darrent Williams unfortunate death).

He was at a party in connection with the NBA All-Star game, don't tell me you would have stayed home, had you been invited. Should he stay away from the Oscar's too?

I find it more interesting that this is the second lethal shooting this year already that has close ties to the NBA (refer Kenyon Martin's birthday party and Darrent Williams unfortunate death).

Im not saying he souldnt have been living it up for the all-star weekend, im just saying this stuff is a reoccuring theme.

Im just saying look back at all of the situations that he has been involved in/accused of; case or wrong place/wrong time? Poor judge of associates/posse?

Dont get me wrong I like Pac as a player and know he is what our team neeeds in a player. He just needs to mature.

At his age with his money, im sure i would have been involed in twice the amount of stuff he has been accused of. He is a celeb/star, he just needs to be careful.

Is there some reason just because the stupid NBA All-star game is being played (who cares anyway, the game wasn't even on the major networks) that it is mandatory to go to a strip club and "party". To be honest I have serious questions about a grown ups mental condition if they actually like doing these things. I mean how infantile can you get, hanging out where women are stripping while you guzzle down enough alcohol so you can't any longer control an already out of control behavior. It is plain stupid. Pacman can't control himself on the football field and he is out with a bunch of thugs (who really think they are cool but in reality they are the lowest form of human slime IMO) and all these guys are doing is looking for a reason to fight or kill each other. I mean wild animals have higher moral standards than these guys. Gosh, when a boy is 5 years old you can expect this kind of behavior (peaking at Playboy and fighting on the play ground) but when you become a man certainly more is expected. The fact Pacman hangs out with these slime balls makes him one IMO.

Is there some reason just because the stupid NBA All-star game is being played (who cares anyway, the game wasn't even on the major networks) that it is mandatory to go to a strip club and "party".

Did you even see who was at the game?

The All-Star game brings out the names.

NBA=National Boring Association :yes:

NBA=National Boring Association :yes:

Have to agree. Worst major professional sports league in the country.

To be honest I have serious questions about a grown ups mental condition if they actually like doing these things.

Well, it's my impression that a number of GoTitans posters like to do that once in a while, so I don't see why Pac should be any different.

NBA=National Boring Association :yes:


Amen, brother..

Is there some reason just because the stupid NBA All-star game is being played (who cares anyway, the game wasn't even on the major networks) that it is mandatory to go to a strip club and "party". To be honest I have serious questions about a grown ups mental condition if they actually like doing these things. I mean how infantile can you get, hanging out where women are stripping while you guzzle down enough alcohol so you can't any longer control an already out of control behavior. It is plain stupid. Pacman can't control himself on the football field and he is out with a bunch of thugs (who really think they are cool but in reality they are the lowest form of human slime IMO) and all these guys are doing is looking for a reason to fight or kill each other. I mean wild animals have higher moral standards than these guys. Gosh, when a boy is 5 years old you can expect this kind of behavior (peaking at Playboy and fighting on the play ground) but when you become a man certainly more is expected. The fact Pacman hangs out with these slime balls makes him one IMO.

It's called having fun.
how can you not know a lot of people do this.

What did you do when you were in your late teens and early 20s? Play chess?

Pac's gettin better, both off the field and on

It's called having fun.
how can you not know a lot of people do this.

What did you do when you were in your late teens and early 20s? Play chess?
im not gonna lie, if i could go to a strip club with a garbage bag of singles and "make it rain" i would at least once, just for the hell of it. i mean, that's just awesome.

We are getting entertainment all year round. This is great. and nobody has died..... yet.

Nobody has died yet, that we know of...but now someone is going to be paralized if I heard correctly. Does anyone doubt where and how this is going to end up? P-thug is prision, and or broke after his playing days are over, and blaming it all on his "upbringing".:suspect:

Pac's gettin better, both off the field and on


Pac's clearly getting better on the field. What a helluva loss if the Titans lose him. I'm pretty sure they will.
His problem is clear. If he shakes his head, his brain rattles around like a BB in a boxcar.
The guy is, at least to some degree, out of control. He's had plenty of brushes with the law, and run ins. He seems to be around trouble an awful lot.
I have no idea of his actual involvement with the shooter in this instance, but at some point he becomes an embarrasment for the team and a distraction. If he had any sense at all, he'd make sure he didn't put himself in these positions. All the evidence suggests this is one stupid man.
I'd bet anybody here he won't be playing for the Titans in 2007.

http://www.tennessean.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070228/SPORTS01/70228022/1027

Interesting, but of course also what you'd expect her to say. Even if Pacman did something she wouldn't come out and say it, so again, all we can do is wait for the police to make their investigation, rather than run with rumours and half truths like the newspapers like to do.

They said a lot more than I expected. It's also not that tight. We'll see what else comes out. Neither side has a more credible looking story at the moment, and neither really looks all that innocent or victimized.

Well, for one thing this is the first comment from anyone who was actually there

In an effort to keep as much of the Pacman Jones thread in one place, I merged a number of threads which have been started over the last couple of weeks.

It was, by far, the longest thread ever on goTitans.com which was around 60 pages the last time I checked.

Today, I come in and notice it is gone.

I don't know why it disappeared. I don't know if I goofed something up or it created some server issues due to its size. I'm checking the backup now but it may be a goner.

If it's gone, I would like all future Pacman-related stuff to be placed in this thread. Once we hit around 50 pages, I'll start a second one if needed.

Interesting, but of course also what you'd expect her to say. Even if Pacman did something she wouldn't come out and say it, so again, all we can do is wait for the police to make their investigation, rather than run with rumours and half truths like the newspapers like to do.

Yeah but if Pacman actually did something she wouldn't come out and say something completely different to the story the owner is coming out with.

Plus there are video cameras so if what she said was true or not at least some of it should be revealed.

But of course we have to wait for the police to complete their investigation.

Regardless it seems the Pacman camp is in damage control.

http://gotitansblog.com/?p=33

http://gotitansblog.com/?p=33

I agree 100% Jeff. It just seems strange that the police don't seem to have any information. I mean at this point you'd think they either have a good idea of whothey're looking for or they don't know at all. Unless it's simply taking them a long time taking witness statements I can't see what's holding this up.

Maybe they can't find Pacman...:ha:

i hate being "body-slammed into a cactus".

It sounds like they based their story on the main event at Wrestlemania.

It sounds like they based their story on the main event at Wrestlemania.
I think that'd be a bit tamer :ha:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2783225

I believe him, no lie

"the pacman jones rule"...not to single anyone out or anything

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=hill/070227&sportCat=nfl

http://www.tennessean.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070228/SPORTS01/70228022

Pac was beaten and robbed .....
Jones didn't haul a trash bag full of singles into a strip club, didn't punch one of the dancers and doesn't know the shooter, publicist and eye witness Cheryl Moss told The Tennessean in the first statement from a member of the crew that accompanied Jones to the club.

Bouncers maced Jones' bodyguard, body slammed his stylist into a cactus and choked the Titans cornerback, she said.


interesting

Moss laughed at the term "entourage" to describe the seven people that followed Jones to the strip club. They included Moss, stylist Sadia Morrison, a bodyguard, Jones' personal assistant, a model friend and two other women.
:spit:

It was not just some around-the-way homeboys," she said.
:spit:

As for the plastic trash bag, Moss said the club ran out of singles so Jones went to get change from a stripper. Pacman got the plastic bag from the stripper who gave him change, Moss said.

Music producer Jermaine Dupri arranged for 40 strippers to gather on stage so the patrons like Jones and rapper Nelly could shower them with dollar bills in a practice termed "making it rain."

When there is more than one dancer on stage, protocol says management collects the money and divvies it up evenly between the dancers, Moss said.

One woman scooped up some cash, and a fight broke out that pitted one stripper against three others. Morrison, Jones' stylist, tried to pull the underdog stripper off stage to protect her and was drawn into the fracas.

:pop:

During the distraction, Houston-based promoter and party organizer Chris Mitchell tried to snatch Jones' bag of money, but ran into the 5' 10" football player's considerably larger bodyguard who wouldn't let him have it, Moss said.

Bouncer and shooting victim Aaron Cudworth put a headlock on Jones, ...until his eyes rolled back in his head, she said.

"They kicked Pac's (rear end)."
:bully:



Good stuff
http://www.tennessean.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070228/SPORTS01/70228022

The Yin to Susnar's Yang

We know there is a thread on this.

You need another option: "I don't know what to make of this anymore"...

Personally, whenever there's stuff like that, it reminds me of the Kobe case. Someone wants the spotlight, and not only that, someone wants to take someone high profile down.

First it was bad, bad Pacman, he started it all, he shot the bouncer, blah blah... then all of a sudden, he didn't start it, it was Nelly and Jermaine, and Pacman only joined with only $3,500... Even some patrons mentioned that... Now, Pacman had nothing to do with it all and did not bring anything into the club...

How can you not be confused. I doubt a publicist would say lies in this case...

Out of all this, the key to me is and always will be, Pac was questioned by authorities, but he isn't a suspect. Do you think if Pac had started this all that the patrons and attendants wouldn't have been on the cops pointing fingers at Pacman, resulting in more severe action from authorities, possibly something like "stick around for a few days, we may need to talk to you"? No, they let Pac go back home... This doesn't happen when authorities even have someone's word that a person is a serious suspect...

Here's a comment on ESPN.com's Conversation about the article that I thought was interesting...

"I love it how you all pretend to know exactly what happened that night. I mean, it's pretty coincidental that everyone was in the same club as pacman and followed him around the whole night just to make sure you had all the facts before commenting and that he was the one who instigated the fight. Oh wait, you weren't there? And now that there is a claim in conflict with the original story you so easily dismiss it as if none of it is true? You're not following the American Constitution, innocent until proven guilty. If it turns out that pacman did do everything the club owner says he did, feel free to crucify him on message boards and make yourself feel better. But until then, wait for the full story to come out, and better yet if you insist on focusing on the original story, imagine what your reaction might be if you thought someone was about to take $81,000 from you."

I believe him also...

So is this gettin better for Pac or is he still in danger of being kicked out

Wow. I REALLY don't know what to make of this story anymore. I guess it's time to just wait and let the case pan out. There are way too many different accounts out there for me to even attempt to formulate an opinion on the matter.

So is this gettin better for Pac or is he still in danger of being kicked out
It's looking better, but honestly, until the cops finish their investigation the possibility is still there.

And I agree with Sledge, there should be a third option of either "I don't know" or "neither"

"the pacman jones rule"...not to single anyone out or anything

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=hill/070227&sportCat=nfl
My question is what constitutes a strike? because most of Pac's conversations with the police have not resulted in any real legal punishment

I think it reaffirms the same exact story. There was a brawl over pac man's money. Then someone got shot. Nothing has really changed in my opinion. Pac is still in the spotlight as possibly ordering the hit. He has motive, history, and cause. Far from over until it is proven he did not know the shooter.

I'd like to add she is a publicist, that is one step below a lawyer on the truth totem poll. Her job is to spin it no matter if he is innocent or not. I find it funny that she was there, and yet seems to be a distant observer. and not a particpant in this mess whatsoever.