I hear the Titans have offered a 4th for Darrell Jackson...........MR knows him well and he is bidding against the Jags and 49ers.............and the other two guys who they are staying touch with are Bennett and Stallworth..............Drew has a deal in hand with us but he is shopping it with other teams in hope to get more cabbage..............Stallworth wants 15 mil in SB but the Titans are in the 10 mil range...................

another FA they are looking at is also from MR neck of the woods in the NFC WEST and is the 49ers Anthony Adams DT..............he is a an odd man out since they switched to a 3-4 ............he is an explosive 4-3 DT and fits our scheme perfectly.................

Dennis Northcutt is another guy they are interested in because he would be a nice 3rd or 4th WR who can also replace Jones as the KO and Punt returner if he is lost to suspension.............

Good mornin Bongo. Like the Jackson idea (what's his contract status). Fun stuff over at Jets Insider... 35+ pages of March free agent madness. Well done.

Titans did not go after Clemments because they think Finegan can go outside and play if Jones is suspended and they plan on going CB in rounds one or two.................this is also bolstered by their feelings that a very good CB will be there in rounds ojne or two based upon how they see slotting occuring before them.

Good mornin Bongo. Like the Jackson idea (what's his contract status). Fun stuff over at Jets Insider... 35+ pages of March free agent madness. Well done.
he just signed a new deal in 05 but given the new market his old deal is reasonable.............MR knows that Sea is likely to cut him at some point so he has offered a pick that we can afford to give (we have two 4's) so that we dont have to bid for him if cut loose............Jags and 49ers also are loathe to offer much because they know he is close to being waived...........

god I don't want Drew back.

Jackson would be ideal.

DJ dropps more balls than Bennett..............it sounds impossible but it is not.

meh ragging on Drews drops is old now.

Darrell drops can be a new thing and the alliteration still works.

plus he is a #1 capable of 1000 seasons.

Me personally I think the Titans are playing this perfectly............They will come in after all the big name guys go out.............Kearney is finding few suitors for the cash he wants............his age is killing him and his injury issues are killing him..............Sea likes him but cant afford him............Sea will sign Diehlamn..............he stayed in washington last night..........they are close ona deal but AJ SMith wants to talk with him before he signs anydeal.............he is looking to Steve Hutch money................I hope the Titans resign Bell given what OG are now getting paid.............AndBenji Olsen is sure not to get cut with how good his deal looks now compared to the current mkt. OG will be drafted higher given how much money they are making...............

I think Hamlin will sign a deal today in NO................I think Smoot will sign in Wash................LDavis is either a NYG or NYJ................he is actually trying to get Steinbach cash but it wont happen...............

Bongo........any chances of us landing FS Hamlin...didn't know if Reinfelt liked him or not, but he'd be a solid upgrade over Lamont Thompson....thoughts??

I bet Zach Piller winds up in South Fla with TB or Mia playing OG..............and gets more than even he thought...........many folks in the titans FO think he is done............we'll see.

Bongo........any chances of us landing FS Hamlin...didn't know if Reinfelt liked him or not, but he'd be a solid upgrade over Lamont Thompson....thoughts??no..........i have some good contacts in NO........and he will never leave without a deal........he was their number one target................

As for Joe Horn...........the reason he was cut is he failed both his last two physicals..........and that is why his name has been silent on the FA circuit............just like Ty Law was before he signed with the Jets.............

Same thing on Stokley...........failed a physical.

Me personally I think the Titans are playing this perfectly............They will come in after all the big name guys go out.............Kearney is finding few suitors for the cash he wants............his age is killing him and his injury issues are killing him..............Sea likes him but cant afford him............Sea will sign Diehlamn..............he stayed in washington last night..........they are close ona deal but AJ SMith wants to talk with him before he signs anydeal.............he is looking to Steve Hutch money................I hope the Titans resign Bell given what OG are now getting paid.............AndBenji Olsen is sure not to get cut with how good his deal looks now compared to the current mkt. OG will be drafted higher given how much money they are making...............

Get with it man Haven't you heard, Reinfeldt is ruining the team. He's the worst GM EVER!!!


:))

I got JStevens in Chicago, NO, or Minn.............all teams have called them........

:ha:

hater

KCarter is a serious possiility but he has to play for our number.........I am told he is coming next week around Thursday anyhow because he has some business in Williamson county to take care of.

Rod Hood could be a brownie or a Saint...........he is supposed to be in NO for a monday visit...........but he did stay overnight in Clev which means they maybe close..............

Anybody know the health status of Tank Williams? Is he done?

who the heck is Rod Hood?

Good mornin Bongo. Like the Jackson idea (what's his contract status). Fun stuff over at Jets Insider... 35+ pages of March free agent madness. Well done.I have been blogging for draftdaddy.......they have a ton of traffic and it worked for me on how they chose to approach it. I am trying to be hands off and did not want any association with it...........the guys who own it are good guys............I met one of them in Mobile but I never told him who I was...............

who the heck is Rod Hood?

http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/396824

who the heck is Rod Hood?nickle CB from Philly who is a FA.

How much interest will there be in Travis Henry? Will his status in the NFL's substance abuse program scare everyone from signing him to a multi year deal? Or will his performance in 06 entice some GM to sign him to a 3 + year big $ contarct. I'm thinkin the Jets would be calling Henry's agent the moment the Tacks dump him.

Anybody know the health status of Tank Williams? Is he done?
done no...........but his knee injury took all his cutting away........he is a only a depth player now. Same thing with Mike Doss...........he is telling flks he is fine but exam his knee and you find it is still loose.............

THenry being one strike away really killed him here............the Titans made the call on him I predicted...........I said in Dec over at the other site that he would not be back...........THenry is easily replaceable in my view.........you can get Willis right now for a three...........and willis just wants to get paid............and has no strikes on him.

Thenry could wind up in Den or NE.............either NY team would look at him but Jerry Reese is looking for a guy with more burst..........they already have a hammer.............Mangini is a high character guy..........so I dont know if it is a fit............Den is the top choice.

Bryan Simmons was in NO last night..........I have no idea how it went........I know Loomis took him to Dickie Brennans...........he would be a nice fit there. Saints have targeted S or LB via FA........and they will draft a CB.............They have meetings with Hamlin Kaesveharn and Grant all set up already and they got meetings with Simmons Hartwell and DEdwards on tap.

Pats are not done..........they are dead serious about getting Moss and either Willis or THenry................

bongo, do you think Pacman will play for the titans next year? (sorry, if you have covered this in another thread...)

no...........i said in 05 he wont be a Titan............much of what has broken here in TN I already knew. And I said it was a mtter of time. Teh reason I want Fisher gone is he is the enabler for Jones and it has killed the team chemistry..............I think the Titans FO knows it now and they are now the ones leaking info so the league does their dirty work for them............suspends him and the team can recoup what cap money is left...........ultimately his roster spot will depend upon what really comes of all his cases legally............but I see him gone for the yr.

If you knew what has happened last year, then I assume the Titans knew and thus the NFL knew, why wasn't anything done then?

on this board I have very rarely delved into Jones..........and I wont now.........I did elsewhere and was shot for it. And I wont be back their because I was right and the turds over there continue to make excuses for this player. Everything I have ever posted on this cat is totally true and now it has come to light as I predicted it would in 05...........even the media is complicit on this stuff...........our beat writers have buried stuff for Fisher for yrs................and yes I am one of very few who sees Fisher still on shaky ground because Mr Adams is not happy how he has handled it all...................

so does the fact that we are chasing Drew, Jackson, and Stallworth mean that in rounds 1 and 2 we can expect defensive players (say, a DE and CB)?

If you knew what has happened last year, then I assume the Titans knew and thus the NFL knew, why wasn't anything done then?
they did know............Fisher new about the drug ring......in 06.......and he knew about Ga too becuase he was tipped to it.................but he did nothing. Reese wanted to suspend him several times..............Fisher needed him to win.............so he played. This is one of many reasons Floyd and Fisher butted heads. I will tell you this...............Jones is hated in the lockerrom by half the team..................

so does the fact that we are chasing Drew, Jackson, and Stallworth mean that in rounds 1 and 2 we can expect defensive players (say, a DE and CB)?yes...........if we get one WR.

Ok.............I gotta go...........I am leaving for a long break today............enjoy the offseason.

Is their any interest in DJ Hackett a restricted FA. Heard he will replace Djax. Heard they think he can be a number 1? I think he cost a two..and he's more proven than a second round rookie

any chance of Fisher getting a deal done or will this year be it for him? with all the pac-mess going on...

Jones is hated in the lockerrom by half the team..................

can't wait until elf gets onto this.

Damn Bongo.....you read my mind while I was typing-LOL

Darrell Jackson, Givens, Brandon Jones and Northcut? Eh, this could be a great group or a huge bust. Still would like to see Wade back.

Jones, jackson and wade? I can live with that and hopefully williams can give us more this year. Getting jackson means we won't have to use our top 2 picks on a WR and jackson for a 4th(i doubt it) is good value..

Jones, jackson and wade? I can live with that and hopefully williams can give us more this year. Getting jackson means we won't have to use our top 2 picks on a WR and jackson for a 4th(i doubt it) is good value..

Jackson is 28, will turn 29 in december. In the 5 years of his career he was healthy enough to start at least 13 games he averaged 1050 yard receiving. He's solid and in his prime! He has three years remaining on a 6 year contract for $25M which averages out to $4.16M a year. Less than the $5M or more it would have takent to get bennett back. Looks like a great deal..

No way we get him for a 4th. Maybe a third. He's worth it..

How does Bongo know all this?

Jones, jackson and wade? I can live with that and hopefully williams can give us more this year. Getting jackson means we won't have to use our top 2 picks on a WR and jackson for a 4th(i doubt it) is good value..

Jackson is 28, will turn 29 in december. In the 5 years of his career he was healthy enough to start at least 13 games he averaged 1050 yard receiving. He's solid and in his prime! He has three years remaining on a 6 year contract for $25M which averages out to $4.16M a year. Less than the $5M or more it would have takent to get bennett back. Looks like a great deal..

No way we get him for a 4th. Maybe a third. He's worth it..

A fourth might be feasible because many teams believe that he will in fact be cut from Sea. If the organization feels they're going to lose him, a 4th round pick really is a good compromise. We get a fairly workable contract for 3 years (perhaps restructure, but I doubt it), and the Hawks basically acquire a 4th for nothing. Seems fair to me for a player in his prime and proven to be fairly healthy!

So far this is what info we have from Bongo:

MR is trying to get Darrell Jackson for a 4th Round Pick from Seattle. Jags and 49ers not really wanting to give up a pick for Jackson.

Former SF 49er DT Anthony Adams would fit in well here and we could be looking at him.

We could be looking at WR Donte Stallworthe, but he wants 18 mill we only want to give him 12-14 mill.

Bennett is close to signing with STL but is floating #'s around.

We could be looking at 3/4 Reciver/ PR & KR

KC will be in town sometime next week.

Didnt even really go after Clements.......believe Finnegan can step outside if Pac is in trouble.

We will be taking a CB in either Round 1 or 2.

Willis can be had for a 3 if we wanted him.

If we get a WR in Free Agency then Rounds 1 and 2 will likely be DE and CB.

Right on all of that?

Thanks Bongo for all of the great info.

Thanks as always bongo.

thanks Bongo

What I know for sure as far as FA: The Titans simply don't want to give Travis 8.3 million as a roster bonus, then turn around and give him a signing bonus along with a contract. Titans want him back and Travis really wants to return to the Titans. He has made a home here and likes it.

The Titans didn't go after Clements because we simply didn't want to put out the kind of money for a CB that was the opening bid his agent was putting out. Whoever believes that the Titans' Plan B is to drop Finnie into Pacs slot is on some sort of mind altering drug. He's a good player, but he just hasn't got THAT kind of talent right now.

As for Pac, the NFL has a CIA-type organization called NFL Security. They know EVERYTHING going on. What happened with PAC in Fayetteville wasn't a bomb that was just dropped on the Titans and the league. The truth is that Pac's Mom and baby Mama are taking one for him. Those females are some for real ride or die chicks! I'll ride for my man, I just can't ride like that!

The locker room isn't a sorority house where they sit around saying who they hate and who they love. Pac is a strong personality. The type of guy that either you love or hate. Everyone at your job doesn't love you. I can't speak for all 53 men, plus the 8 guys on the practice squad and neither can Bongo. I'd venture to say that I've had more personal conversations with the guys on the team than Bongo, unless he's an actual player or works as a coach or with the grounds crew, etc. I'd say half of the locker room hating Pac is high ballin' the number.

thanks elfinmagic

What I know for sure as far as FA: The Titans simply don't want to give Travis 8.3 million as a roster bonus, then turn around and give him a signing bonus along with a contract. Titans want him back and Travis really wants to return to the Titans. He has made a home here and likes it.The Titans clearly had no intention of paying Henry anything close to $8.3M, period. And he wants more than whatever they are offering. Otherwise they would have agreed on a new contract...

Thanks elfin & Bongo.....it's all gravy.

I can't speak for all 53 men, plus the 8 guys on the practice squad and neither can Bongo. I'd venture to say that I've had more personal conversations with the guys on the team than Bongo, unless he's an actual player or works as a coach or with the grounds crew, etc. I'd say half of the locker room hating Pac is high ballin' the number.

I dare say elfin is right & I doubt that any of his 'defense' team-mates dislike him.

How does Bongo know all this?

He sleeps around. :grrhee:

He sleeps around. :grrhee:


competition eh

i have spoke to everyone...........even the practice squad guys and the one swho got cut all the way to Sloan Thomas...........no one like the kid off the record.

Can he play sure..........but football is a team sport and we wont win with him.

Welker signs a 38.7 mil RFA deal with NE.............what does it mean? Givens was not over paid and Miami is serious about moving up to get Brady Quinn.

Lelie signed with SF on a cell phone after he left Houston.........three yrs small money

Robaire is talking to the GB packers and TB bucs............

Any RB news for the Titans Bongo?

Are there any Corners we might be pursuing?

Are there any Corners we might be pursuing?
is there anyone we might be pursuing?

:sarcasm:

We're going corner early in the draft, I'd bet.

Welker will work well with Brady.

I still question what this means for Asante Samuel. The Pats are spending a bunch of money in FA and are even willing to give up a 2nd rnd draft pick to get Welker. Samuel will not play for the franchise tag after seeing the money that Clements got. Samuels will hold out. I think the Pats are going to look to trade Samuels after the draft.

Can he play sure..........but football is a team sport and we wont win with him.

pfft he won us games by himself last season and we were destroyed in the game he didn't play.

Anyone heard any info concerning Bobby Wade and his status?

i have spoke to everyone...........even the practice squad guys and the one swho got cut all the way to Sloan Thomas...........no one like the kid off the record.

Can he play sure..........but football is a team sport and we wont win with him.
Somebody lying, either to you or to me.:irked: My conversations weren't on or off the record since I could care less either way. I'm not saying alcohol is a truth serum, but hanging out at a player's house, drinking and conversating, is not the setting for "frontin' and stuntin' ". I've been in several social situations, parties, etc. with Pac and his teammates and he was one of the guys. From training camp in Clarksville, on, there was a different air regarding Pac and his teammates.

Speaking of "frontin' and stuntin' ", Travis is doing that with Denver. Actually, he's torn. He really does love being in Tennessee, in the South, but he's intrigued with Denver, also fondly known as running back U. He feels that he can flourish even more as a runner in the Denver system. He has visions of pro bowl and rushing titles dancing in his head. He feels that since he got a lot of yardage with the Titans' offense, he will be a monster in Denver.

Fisher is singlehandedly ruining the roster. There is no longer the resistance that my Daddy Floyd used to provide. We are no New England, no one is New England! Not many teams can just drop a new, lower paid player into a roster spot and keep playing at champion level.

Titans' players are watching the free agent moves with dread. They see a core group of their team walking away, leaving huge holes. None of them want to hear "rebuilding" or "reloading". THIS was supposed to be the year to get back on track. Bennett dropped balls, but now we're left with a gaping whole. This is Brandon Jones' year, but his mentor has gone to Dallas to coach.

Losing Henry isn't a great loss although I wish we could have cut a reasonable deal to keep him. We do have LW so the cupboard isn't bare at RB.

What does confuse me is we let Henry and Bennett walk and haven't signed anyone yet. If we had signed Clements or Thomas at least we could see the FO making some moves to build the defensive side of the ball.

This whole approach is similar to a team with CAP problems and not a team with money to spend. Look at what the Pats did. they franchised their best CB which gives them another year to find his replacement (watch them draft a CB in the first two rounds) and they found a WR to upgrade that position. They also went out and signed Thomas, a stud for their already dominate defense. Why couldn't we have made some similar moves?

Having money to spend doesn't mean you should spend it on overpriced goods...

Titans' players are watching the free agent moves with dread. They see a core group of their team walking away, leaving huge holes.

Well elfie, if they consider Drew Bennett, Travis Henry, Zach Piller & Peter Sirmon as a "core" group of the team then something is seriously wrong :ha:

I give us a big Fat F for FA so far. With top 5 money, we are having more attrition than addition.

I have my finger on the panic button.. I haven't pressed it yet, but I'm itching to do so.

I give us a big fat B for FA so far. With top 5 money we had the common sense not to panic and throw money away at players that weren't worth it, just because nobody else was available at the time. Remember there are bound to be more cuts closer to and particularly after the draft.

Well elfie, if they consider Drew Bennett, Travis Henry, Zach Piller & Peter Sirmon as a "core" group of the team then something is seriously wrong :ha:
Nothing's wrong. While Drew nor Travis may be seen Pro Bowl material, the team were making positive strides with them. Those two have been let go without any sign of replacing them with an upgrade or even just as good. Why would a team who wants to win let go of a productive back like Travis in "hopes" that Lendale pans out. If Lendale was gonna blow up, he would have done so and took Travis' job.

Drew wasn't the best receiver, but he was the best we had out there. Without him, we have an up and coming Brandon Jones and then there's the rest. Right now everyone just hopes that Brandon finally takes that step to being a play maker.

I give us a big Fat F for FA so far. With top 5 money, we are having more attrition than addition.

I have my finger on the panic button.. I haven't pressed it yet, but I'm itching to do so.


I feel your pain. We have the money...but lets NOT SPEND it. We may be able to invest it in a mutual fund or something? It just seems that the Titans are happy with who they have. I was really happy when we picked up Hope, Thorton, Maewe. But right now I am starting to question what the heck is going on. Not saying break the bank, although I dont really care as long as we win. Winning, that is what it is all about. Now, not later, NOW. But, as I have said in previous post, there are people who get paid to deal with this, maybe they have some kind of plan. I am waiting for this MASTER plan to come to light.

Well we still have the rest of free agency & the draft to get through so the final roster is not even close to being set. Honestly i don't blame Reinfieldt for not paying Bennett or Henry major money. Bennett is average & Henry is one failed test away from being out of the league for a year. By the way, 30 million for Bennett is beyond ludacris.

Yeah, I agree that 30 mill is crazy, but everything is inflated right now. Wes Welker got 38 mil. Cmon,I think we are just going to have to judge the market by what people are getting. Maybe teams like ours, who cant accept the current market value of people, are going to suffer.

Maybe teams like ours, who cant accept the current market value of people, are going to suffer.

Thats possible also. But well see whats goes on this week when FA will really get started. I expect to see around 3-5 players signed by this time next weekend.

Yeah, I agree that 30 mill is crazy, but everything is inflated right now. Wes Welker got 38 mil. Cmon,I think we are just going to have to judge the market by what people are getting. Maybe teams like ours, who cant accept the current market value of people, are going to suffer.

the people that are going to suffer are the clubs that tossout way too much money at a relatively weak FA class

there will be some good talent move around before June
and hopefully Mike has some aces up his sleeve
let me ask you this:
if Mike threw 38mmmmmm at a guy like Wes Welker or 80mmmmmm at Clements or 50 @ Steinbach would you be happy with it ?

People were so quick to want to blame/get rid of Floyd Reese, now you see the good that he did. Unless you get lucky, you can't win by relying on the draft to fill holes. There's only 1 Vince Young.

30 million is a number that Drew Bennnett probably won't see. He got the signing bonus and 10 million is guaranteed. He may, and that's a big MAY, see over 2 million of what is guaranteed. That's the little trick/secret of NFL contracts. You may get signed for a big number, but only the guaranteed amount is what the player actually pockets. Remember when Randy Moss and Mike Vick signed those 100 million contracts? Ask 'em how much of that money they actually got.

Hard facts: The Titans let a wide receiver go when we have no solid Plan A. Who we gonna get, Joe Horn? Yeah, our track record with old wide outs is stellar. The Titans cut a productive running back without a solid backup. Lendale is overweight and an underachiever who believes the game should come to him.

The Titans have cap room and need to spend it. Vince can only run around that field so long before he gets popped. He needs wide outs to throw to and a running back to open the throwing game. Otherwise, our QB turns into Steve McNair.

I don't know about ya'll, but I'm tired of not having a real passing game. I'm sick of seeing the long balls downfield only to get dropped. I want playmakers. I want to see those Randy Moss circus catches. Which reminds me, I remember when Daddy Floyd said that they drafted Dyson instead of Moss because of Moss' off the field record. He said they interviewed him at the Combine and came away knowing that he wasn't a good draft pick. He also said the same thing about that fool RB from Nebraska that was drafted by the Rams. Can't think of his name, but he was crazy. Daddy Floyd said that he was "marked" with a personality disorder. Lawrence Phillips is his name.

DJ dropps more balls than Bennett..............it sounds impossible but it is not.

he also catches more TouchDowns
and he's probably good for 60+ catches (even in this offense)
:eh?:

The Titans have cap room and need to spend it. Vince can only run around that field so long before he gets popped. He needs wide outs to throw to and a running back to open the throwing game. Otherwise, our QB turns into Steve McNair.


Spend it on who?

There are no superstars out there. We can only sign veterans and role players.

We don't need to try to sign superstar wide outs or rb's. The Titans' record with signing alleged superstar w.o.'s is dismal!

We don't need to try to sign superstar wide outs or rb's. The Titans' record with signing alleged superstar w.o.'s is dismal!

then who do we spend this money on?

no one out there is worth spending a lot of money on.

hey now, once lenbuddha goes through the offseason conditioning program he'll just fine. The injury slowed him last offseason, thats all :grrhee:

Ian Scott DT Chicago
Nick Harper CB

These are two of the mid level free agents I would like for us to go after.

Having money to spend doesn't mean you should spend it on overpriced goods...

For the most part this is basically monopoly money we are talking about. Each team is going to try to field the best team they can with the same stack of money. Getting all bent out of shape because Bennett or Clements is getting paid an "over priced" amount is irrevelant unless the money is being put to a better use.

Here is the way I look at it. It is arrogant and to the point of being out right stupid to insist Bennett, Clements, Thomas and anyone else is "over priced". We can gasp and point fingers at the Rams for being so idiotic and stupid to sign that crap of a WR Bennett but when we look in the mirror anyone else would laugh at what we have at WR right now. I mean this is a total joke to think we are a playoff team with Jones as our best WR and anyone else in the league besides a bunch of homers would even consider Jones a solid #1.

Be like the Patriots, don't ever spend, be fiscally conservative is the cry from the pin head pencil pushers while the Patriots sign the biggest impact defensive player, (no doubt over paying?) and franchise their best CB. I mean don't the Patriots know that this could kill their chances of being a contender for the next decade? We must be careful not to over spend. Sure Thomas could give us double digit sacks at a position we hardly had any last year but remember, we don't want to over spend. Don't over spend for that pro-bowl level CB, Clements either despite the fact our best CB is within an eyelash of being out of the league and certainly not long with the Titans and the guy on the other side has proven he couldn't make a play on a ball if it hit him in the head. No big deal, we don't need good CBs to win in this league besides we don't want to over spend.

Oh, that stupid Patriot team went out and "over priced" a WR. How stupid of them. If only they were as smart as we are.

Ian Scott DT Chicago
Nick Harper CB

These are two of the mid level free agents I would like for us to go after.

Now if we can sign those studs I will really feel good about our playoff chances.

Now if we can sign those studs I will really feel good about our playoff chances.

sarcasm aside they are the only types of players we will be able to get as they are the only good talents players around.

They may not be studs, but it's all thats out there right now.

Who says that we aren't going to spend our cap money? The fact that we didn't spend it over the first weekend of free agency is NO reason to think we won't spend it. It just means we probably won't spend it on one or two players.

I mean this is a total joke to think we are a playoff team with Jones as our best WR and anyone else in the league besides a bunch of homers would even consider Jones a solid #1.


It's a joke to think we are a serious playoff team even with Bennet and Henry.

And what does the Patriots putting the tag on Asante have to do with anything? We didn't have any FA's worthy of the tag (certainly you're not suggesting paying Henry LT or LJ kind of money?)

And the Patriots got Thomas a decent price, imo, and he fits their scheme, whereas he would be wasted with us.

Would it have been nice to keep Bennet? Sure. Can we find someone equal to or better than him? Definetly, especially considering how deep receiver is in the draft this year.

Don't over spend for that pro-bowl level CB, Clements either despite the fact our best CB is within an eyelash of being out of the league and certainly not long with the Titans and the guy on the other side has proven he couldn't make a play on a ball if it hit him in the head. No big deal, we don't need good CBs to win in this league besides we don't want to over spend.

Oh, that stupid Patriot team went out and "over priced" a WR. How stupid of them. If only they were as smart as we are.

Why didn't the Patriots "overspend" for that pro-bowl level CB then, if they're so smart in your book? It's not like Hobbs is a whole lot better than Hill.

And I would bet a significant amount of money that you would have been complaining if we signed Wes Welker, but now that the Patriots potentially did it, he's all of a sudden a great WR? Please.....

Who says that we aren't going to spend our cap money? The fact that we didn't spend it over the first weekend of free agency is NO reason to think we won't spend it. It just means we probably won't spend it on one or two players.

And it certainly doesn't mean we won't spend it to restructure some contracts that would mean we can keep the likes of Bulluck, Hope and KVB for years to come.

Bennett will receive $9.5 of that guaranteed money THIS year.

sarcasm aside they are the only types of players we will be able to get as they are the only good talents players around.

sarcasm aside you win football games with talent on the field and for a team that ranked near or at the bottom on both sides of the ball and now have actually lost talent we really will stink. Heck, Smith was nothing to write home about as one of our better DTs and he isn't going to be back.

I guess we can wait on pins and needles to see if CArter or Wade sign although the less than 1 mil they offered Wade will probably mean he goes somewhere else.

I am excited about the Rien long signing however. Could put us over the top and so far is our best FA move.

Heck, Smith was nothing to write home about as one of our better DTs and he isn't going to be back.
Then why would you want him at the price he would demand the first week of free agency?

Bennett will receive $9.5 of that guaranteed money THIS year.

So what. He just signed a new contract. With bonus money and salary it isn't that huge of an amount. Teams that have CAP space (like us if we ever sign anyone) will be putting more money on the front end of deals anyway.

So what.
My response was to Elf who said he'd only see a couple of mil of his deal. He will see $9.5 this year.

He isn't worth $30 mil IMO. A prime example of someone being overpaid.

My response was to Elf who said he'd only see a couple of mil of his deal. He will see $9.5 this year.

He isn't worth $30 mil IMO. A prime example of someone being overpaid.


heck all of them are overpaid for what they do

heck all of them are overpaid for what they do
no kidding...considering thousands of college kids put their bodies on the line for free (well they get compensated with an education, but you know what I mean) and for their love of the game. The insane salaries these guys get are one of the prime reasons why I will almost always choose the college version over the pro game any day.

Said the president of one AFC franchise that still prefers to build through the draft, while surveying the cash carnage Sunday evening: "For a lot of these teams, money just burns a hole in their pockets. If they've got it, they're going to spend it, even on middle-level players. They've taken the middle class and raised it up, believe me. And a year from now, they'll be releasing half the guys they signed because they found out they were poor fits."


If i had to guess who this was sounds like Reinfedlt

As an example of overpaying from a year ago, see Lavar Arrington. We don't need to make that kind of mistake in free agency just so we can say we signed a "name" FA. That said, I'm dissapointed to hear that Kevin Carter signed with the Bucs, KC is a guy I would've liked the Team to overpay if necessary.

It's a joke to think we are a serious playoff team even with Bennet and Henry.

And what does the Patriots putting the tag on Asante have to do with anything? We didn't have any FA's worthy of the tag (certainly you're not suggesting paying Henry LT or LJ kind of money?)

And the Patriots got Thomas a decent price, imo, and he fits their scheme, whereas he would be wasted with us.

Would it have been nice to keep Bennet? Sure. Can we find someone equal to or better than him? Definetly, especially considering how deep receiver is in the draft this year.

Putting the tag on Asnante cost them a good hunk of change for this year and yet they were still able to go out and improve the defense.
We are going backwards.

Putting the tag on Asnante cost them a good hunk of change for this year and yet they were still able to go out and improve the defense.
We are going backwards.

They put the tag on him because they knew they couldn't afford to be in the running if he went to FA. And it still has no bearing on us, because we had nobody worthy of the franchise tag.

So your only point is that the Patriots are spending money and we're not? Well, let me tell you a little secret: spending money just for the sake of spending it, is not a good idea. We have plenty of money to spend, but we're being sensible and using it on overpriced commodities.
Also remember the Patriots got Thomas cheap because he wanted to play there (probably thinks it can get him a ring), nobody is willing to take a lesser offer to come play in Nashville.

And besides I'm thinking the Patriots have lost it, I mean a 2nd rounder + change for Welker??

Lost it? They have two 1st round picks and needed a WR who could contribute right away. We are the ones who should have given a 2nd rounder for Welker, we need a WR to contribute right away as much as they do and we have money. IMO Thomas could have played MLB and DE and never would have come off the field for us.

You win by haivng the better players. The Patriots are getting better and we are not.

Lost it? They have two 1st round picks and needed a WR who could contribute right away. We are the ones who should have given a 2nd rounder for Welker, we need a WR to contribute right away as much as they do and we have money.


ok, there's no point in arguing with you. So we should also give up a 1st round pick for Darrel Jackson? He's a better receiver than Welker and we need WR, no price can be too high obviously.....


IMO Thomas could have played MLB and DE and never would have come off the field for us.


And when was the last time you ever saw the Titans be that progressive??


You win by haivng the better players. The Patriots are getting better and we are not.

Funny, the Patriots won all those years by NOT having the great players, but the good players for their great system.

Why are we getting compared to the Pats?

Why are we getting compared to the Pats?

Because Soxcat is upset they signed Thomas and Welker and we haven't signed big names.

The Pats apparently are also one of the teams with an offer to Stallworth. My point is in comparing us to the Pats is the Pats are the team we probably want to be like considering how they handle their CAP and still always have top flight teams every year. Yet, in a year when the Pats are getting better we are getting worse.

Consider this, if you take the CAP allowed and spread it out among a whole roster you come up with about 2.0 mil per year average per player. Considering you only have 22 starters + the kicker and punter it isn't unreasonable to expect a starting WR or RB to expect to make 4 mil or more. Yet this organization and many fans on these boards think offering a guy like Henry or Bennett or even a guy like Thomas that kind of money is absurd.
What is ridiculous is watching teams like the Pats, a team we have to eventually beat if we want to win a championship some how, with much less CAP room, go out and fill holes on an already top team while we, a team with huge holes just sit by twiddling our thumbs.
Now it appears we may have offered Stallworth a contract. If our offer was anything like the Pats offer that was published we are offering 30+ mil. Personally I don't think Stallworth is worth that much. Now before you say, well that is what Bennett got remember, Bennett could have been signed much lower if we had made an offer before FA. We could also have kept Henry even if it was at his original contract. We offered Wade less than a mil and he went out and got 3 mil. Something is screw ball if you ask me.

This organization and roster is at a dramatcally different position. New England has built it's franchise through the draft; the core team that has remained there and been kept up through all it's success has remained pretty well intact. In fact, only a few changes have been made over the years, and a lot of it has been through the draft. Not overcharging moderate talent in FA very early. The Patriots built an extremely stong core up through the draft, and now is reaping the benefits by filling there small holes with great talents. We aren't on the Patriot's level yet, because we've just started rebuilding this team through the draft, but I do feel like we have a great core developing. Two years from now, we SHOULD be doing what the Pats are doing. For now, I can only hold faith we have some of the success they have by doing what we're doing.