http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/peter_king/03/18/overtime/4.html

Thinks that Harper is his replacement. I enjoy the guy's articles most of the time, but I think he's off on this one. I think Pac's in for a suspension, but that he'll be playing at some point in the 2007 season for us.

If Pac was sure to get cut, it would have happened already. So unless they're waiting for the outcome of the trial and the LV investigation before they make a decission, he's obviously still going to be on the team.

1. This isn't a rumor, it's a discussion of an article, and a pending action against a player, does it really need to be in Rumor Mill? I thought that discussions of something that might happen would be in the regular forum, but I guess the rumor mill has become a larger entity this offseason.

2. I don't think that he's sure to get cut, but I think he's sure to get some sort of punishment/suspension, and I do think it hasn't happened because they're waiting on the outcome of the LV investigation and trial.

let's get this straight
Nick Harper is not PacMan's replacement, he's Hill's

and we may not know the fate of Jones until his hearing's resume in May
which would be too late to make any move via the draft

if Chris Houston is there @ 19, we should give him a LOOOOOONG look

It's pure speculation. Why would we want it in a forum with news and information?

Well, really I'm just realizing that the Rumor Mill Forum has been greatly expanded in the last 6 months. It used to just be for theories, "inside" info, or things posted in articles as rumors. This was posted as an article for discussion, discussion of King's opinion. That kind of thing used to be in the main forum. Makes sense, but it means we're limiting a lot of what we put into the main forum.

As a side note, look at the first page of threads in the main forum. Most of them discuss our players and their status on the team, or other players that we may/may not sign. The threads on Jones (Julius), Copper, good ole J-Mac, and several others are all based on speculation as well, but they're general discussion of players and roster moves.

I guess I'm just trying to get a better idea of where to put things. I was putting this out there as a fairly mainstream NFL writer's opinion that Harper was signed to replace Jones, and for discussion of that idea. Yes, it's speculation, but it's on the reason for a signing and potential use of our new player.

Back to the actual article... I thinkPac will stick around, but I think he'll get something like a four game suspension. If that's the case, we'll still have a chance to contend for the playoffs.

I see your point.

The difference, IMO, between a prediction by me and, say, King, is that some automatically think what King says is legit.

Not a bad distinction. Though I do consider your predictions pretty solid, and I do think most of the regulars on here have a better chance of predicting/analyzing the titans than most of the national media. This article is a good example.

A lot of people don't like Pac and what they "perceive" to believe what he stands for. Rap, thuggery and disobedience of the law. In truth, while Pac has been in the general vicinity of incidences, he's yet to be convicted of, or served any time for said incidences. On the other hand, we have people on a team who were convicted of and punished by the law for beating their wives or girlfriends. Where was the lynch mob for those guys?

Pac makes bad choices. People who grew up in the 'hood know and socialize with drug dealers. A few girls that I went to college with had uncles, etc. who were drug dealers. These uncles were at family gatherings and I was in the same place with these uncles. To people in the 'hood, drug dealing is a job option. It ain't right, but it's an income. For the record, I don't agree with it. I'd rather work at McDonald's and work my way through school. However, I was told that my thinking is "bougie".

Anyway, until Pac is actually convicted of a crime, the NFL can only do so much to get him off the field. Even the national media is starting to clarify their stories with "Pac has yet to be convicted of any crime." Based on this, even if the Titans cut/release him, there will be teams who will sign him. Word on the street is that there are 2 coaches right now who are closely watching the situation.

Peter King is just like any other writer. He's guessing and speculating. Fisher wouldn't confide in King before he confided in Wyatt or Kuharsky. Nashville is a small market team, which creates an intimate media relationship of basically Wyatt, Boclair, McCormick and Kuharsky and a sprinkling of 3 or 4 other media people who regularly attend practice. Why would Fisher snub this small amount of people and give an exclusive to King? He wouldn't.

lol. He thinks Harper is Pac's replacement? Harper might be good enough to replace Reynaldo, but that's it. If this staff got Nick Harper to replace Pacman, they're brain-dead.

There was a lynch mob for the drunk drivers and the wife beaters. However, more people show up for the players that get more press.

pacman will only get 4 games in 2007 thankfully

lol. He thinks Harper is Pac's replacement? Harper might be good enough to replace Reynaldo, but that's it. If this staff got Nick Harper to replace Pacman, they're brain-dead. Everybodys favorite Texan's fan, Overalls, also predicted that Harper will be Pac's replacement :rolleyes:

http://www.gotitans.com/goForum/showpost.php?p=262360&postcount=9

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PK doesn't have a clue.

The notion that the local area is a "Bible Belt" does not well reflect to attitudes and beliefs of the fans.

peter king also said that the titans had talked to daunte culpepper or something along those lines. that never happened. he's a gossip guy. i do hope pokemon will be suspended or kicked out of the league.

If the Titans cut Pac it would be cutting off their nose to spite their face. I think the FO realizes this. Actually, from a monetary point of view it might end up benefiting Pac as several teams would jump on him in a heartbeat. Let him take his lumps, hopefully learn from 'em, and get back to helping the Titans win.

PK doesn't have a clue.

:werd: king is a blow-hard.

peter king also said that the titans had talked to daunte culpepper or something along those lines. that never happened. he's a gossip guy.

Actually we were interested in Culpepper, we had a 2nd lined up for him but he said he didn't want to come here (thank god).

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PK doesn't have a clue.

The notion that the local area is a "Bible Belt" does not well reflect to attitudes and beliefs of the fans.

Ummm... we kind of are in the bible belt. Nashville has the highest number of churches per capita of any major US city. Or at least we did a few years ago.

I didn't see one church now that I think about it.

Ummm... we kind of are in the bible belt. Nashville has the highest number of churches per capita of any major US city. Or at least we did a few years ago.

And yet we have plenty of good old fashioned crime and sin.

It isn't like what the geeks on the coast think it is.

I didn't see one church now that I think about it.

did you leave downtown? there's @ least one church on Broadway downtown.

Ummm... we kind of are in the bible belt. Nashville has the highest number of churches per capita of any major US city. Or at least we did a few years ago.

Incorrect. Memphis is beating Nashville by leaps and bounds.

I didn't see one church now that I think about it.


That's kinda funny to me Gunny. You had to have seen some, they just blended in. If my memory is right, there is a big church a couple of blocks from the hotel you were in. Hey, I could be wrong.

This is funny to me because Sweet Melissa is from Cali. SM is my fiance. Anyway, when she moved here from the bay area about 10 years ago she thought she had moved behind the Iron Curtain! The culture shock for her took a couple of years to adjust to. And she still comments on how many churches there are around here. I live in Gallatin, and there are twice as many churches here as grocery stores.:gag:

But about Peter King and Pac. King must drink heavily and report the news given to him by drunken bar fairies or something. No way Harper replaces Pac. There aren't 5 guys in the league who could. No way Pac gets cut without a conviction. And I don't believe he gets cut unless his conviction is for a major offense. If my understanding of the current situation is correct, I don't see how we can afford to part ways with him.

did you leave downtown? there's @ least one church on Broadway downtown.


Must be the one I'm thinking of. Near the bus station and the Mission?

Big, old. Near the old Classic Cat.:clown: :clown: :clown:

Well let's just clarify, I wasn't looking for churches, I just never noticed any.

I didn't see one church now that I think about it.
That's because you are a sinning heathen and have trained your eyes and brain to see Churches as a Chucky Cheese restaurant.:ha: (In my Aunt Esther voice from the Sanford and Son show) You 'ol heathen!

Yeah, the Bible belt. That's why the organization chose a Greek mythologic entity as their name.

Grow up PK. Pac will wear two-tone blue until his contract expires.

PK, probably got his info from Paul Kuharsky who doesn't want Pac to serve a suspension in the beginning of the season. He says that if Pac comes back from a suspension after 4 or 5 games, if the Titans start winning and he has some good games then he will be seen as a hero/saviour and the fans will love him again.

Kuharsky keeps saying "if Pac comes back." He lets his personal dislike of Pac get the better of journalistic purity.

Convictions aside, the ace the NFL's holding is Pac's failure to report the charges from February/March 2006. What's the usual punishment for that?

Convictions aside, the ace the NFL's holding is Pac's failure to report the charges from February/March 2006. What's the usual punishment for that?

I believe that was written in his contract with the Titans. I'm not aware of an NFL policy that mandates reporting of charges.

Here's what I was referring to:

"Duty to Report Prohibited Conduct

To ensure the effective administration of the policy, the League must be advised when a Covered Person engages in Prohibited Conduct. The obligation to report an arrest or criminal charge extends to both the person involved and to the Club or League entity for which he or she works. Persons subject to this policy who are arrested or charged with Prohibited Conduct must report that incident to their Clubs or to NFL Security at (800) NFL-1099. Failure to report an incident will constitute conduct detrimental and will be taken into consideration in the final determination of discipline under this policy."

Conduct Policy (http://nflpa.com/RulesAndRegs/ConductPolicy.aspx#7)

Here's what I was referring to:

"Duty to Report Prohibited Conduct

To ensure the effective administration of the policy, the League must be advised when a Covered Person engages in Prohibited Conduct. The obligation to report an arrest or criminal charge extends to both the person involved and to the Club or League entity for which he or she works. Persons subject to this policy who are arrested or charged with Prohibited Conduct must report that incident to their Clubs or to NFL Security at (800) NFL-1099. Failure to report an incident will constitute conduct detrimental and will be taken into consideration in the final determination of discipline under this policy."

Conduct Policy (http://nflpa.com/RulesAndRegs/ConductPolicy.aspx#7)

Thanks for the reference. I wasn't aware of it.

I believe this is the first "transgression" Pac will have on his record regarding "failure to report" and the conduct policy. I assume he reported his earlier charges.

It would be unprecedented for him to be suspended simply for a failure to report. Now, if he is convicted- that would be a different story regarding suspension.

Thanks again for the reference. Strong work.

This time from Peter King of cnnsi.com fame


8. I think Pacman Jones will never play another snap for the Titans. I don't see how, if the charges in Las Vegas are at least half-correct, that the Titans -- particularly in such a Bible Belt area as central Tennessee -- can justify bringing him back.

Funny thing. I was talking to someone who knows Jeff Fisher and Bud Adams well recently, and he said: "The Titans know if they released him, it'd take 10 minutes before teams were lining up to sign him.'' Maybe. I doubt that, but maybe. There might be one or two, but not a line.

In any case, there's a breaking point in every relationship. And 10 encounters with the police ... I mean, how many more chances do you give a guy? Whether your team is going to be hurt by a player's absence on 16 Sundays can't be the only reason you choose to keep him. And if he becomes a superstar somewhere else, with his life straightened out -- which I sincerely doubt will happen with this man -- that's the chance the Titans should take.

Wow. Hey... thanks for stopping in and adding this insightful cut n' paste post... cuz you know, this is a topic we haven't all discussed ad nauseum.

http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h41/titanbuoy/zzz%20images/assclown.jpg

:)

that should be the single most factor which should keep Pacman on our roster. I agree that if he is acquitted from these charges and is cleared to play in the NFL, and if we decide to cut him, many other teams will rush to sign him on their rosters.

It would be unfortunate to watch him sign with another team after the season he gave us... even if his off-field behaviour was rather hasty.

I really don't think we should cut him only to watch him play for another team which might be able to discipline him into being a better person and to behave more conservatively in his own time. The way i look at it is that the damage has already been done and the kid has already given himself a bad rep. Anything worse should land him in the slammer rather than another team.

Wow. Hey... thanks for stopping in an adding this insightful cut n' paste post... cuz you know, that's a topic we haven't all discussed ad nauseum.

Well, Skipper, that's why I indicated in the thread title that it was another musing. If you didn't want to discuss you should refrain from responding.. mmmm k?

Well, Skipper, that's why I indicated in the thread title that it was another musing. If you didn't want to discuss you should refrain from responding.. mmmm k?
http://www.gotitans.com/goForum/showthread.php?t=26994

old news

Well, Skipper,

If we're going to start giving each other cute nick names I prefer Gilligan. Okay pardner.

It would be unfortunate to watch him sign with another team after the season he gave us... even if his off-field behaviour was rather hasty.


The Titans are definately in a bad spot, especially if the NFL steps in and suspends before the team can try to take any action. Then you still have his salary on the books and have to fill his spot.

Take it from somebody who has been thru this before. Even if nothing happens, its all the announcers will talk about during every Titan game this year.

its all the announcers will talk about during every Titan game this year.
as long as he's running towards the endzone, i dont care :))

I wrote Peter King back on that one, because I wanted to know what charges from Las Vegas he's talking about. There are no charges, and half of nothing is, well, nothing. The guy doesn't know what he's talking about 90% of time and this is one of those times.

I wrote Peter King back on that one, because I wanted to know what charges from Las Vegas he's talking about. There are no charges, and half of nothing is, well, nothing. The guy doesn't know what he's talking about 90% of time and this is one of those times.

But he seems to know his coffee.

as long as he's running towards the endzone, i dont care :))

:werd:

Have they arrested the shooter yet? I searched the web and couldn't find anything. Without the shooter how can they link the events to pacman? They could file lessor charges like assault, disturbing the peace, distruction of property but i'm sure they they want to get him for bigger charges if they can..

Vigsted's comment is fair he has not been charged yet but wait until they nab the gunman and then see if something happens. If the vegas DA decides not to press any charges at all he needs to make a public statement to that effect to put an end to case as far as pacman's involvement is concerned. Then of course you have the georgia case and God knows what is coming next.

"The Titans know if they released him, it'd take 10 minutes before teams were lining up to sign him.'' Maybe. I doubt that, but maybe. There might be one or two, but not a line.

Maybe? Does Peter King watch football?

Take it from somebody who has been thru this before. Even if nothing happens, its all the announcers will talk about during every Titan game this year.
Are you Jerry Jones or something? You've had to deal with cutting real talent off of your team due to his off-the-field antics? If you are him, I am sorry that I am being so curt with you, sir. I really disagree with this guy King. First off, Pacman has to worry about his arrests in GA last year. Las Vegas is nothing to Pacman right now. That's a way of being blunt about it, but he was not directly the cause of what happened nor did he get "charged" with anything by anyone... well not police anyways. Las Vegas is an easy one to fix, but GA is not. The NFL running around screaming about suspension for a year is crazy talk. They may try it and they may get their way, but the NFLPA will have a few appeals up their sleeve. Should the Titans cut Pac? If I were running the place and I was looking at the business side of things, I would not cut the guy. It makes no business sense and he would just end up returning kicks for the Bengals or something. If Pacman was not such a playmaker and he was a 3rd or 4th round pick 2 years ago, he'd already be gone. I am not one to support criminal acts, but the NFL is a business over anything else. I am not sure how much cap would be lost if the Titans did cut him, but it wouldn't help the numbers I am sure. If the GA arrests void Pac's contract, then he has a better chance of leaving the Titans. He would just end up playing for the CFL or something. Peter King needs to figure out what he is talking about before he goes "on the record" with something.

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can you pick jzcowboy out of this lineup? ;)

LMAO... you mean he survived that day and was still allowed to go home!
only in the south my friends.. only in the south. :grrhee:

LMAO... you mean he survived that day and still allowed to go home!
only in the south my friends.. only in the south. :grrhee:
I know... ain't that great? hahaha... keep in mind that was the day Albert stomped dude's head... man, that was sick... But yeah, I gave jz my cell and he rang me up while I was at the gas station... I gave him some final directions and when I arrived he was sitting on the bench at the corner... within ear shot of the actual tailgate... I got a make on him and called him back and started screwing with him... it was funny... he started looking around... by the time he figured out where I was I was standing about 10'-15' from him... I can't wait to get the tailgatin' back on... :tailgate:

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f95/bipolartitan/P1012129.jpg

maybe The Don can help me get my drANk on! :drink:

That was one crazy game...
If it was any other state.. :grrhee:

http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/7351/deadbeargm3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

I know... ain't that great? hahaha... keep in mind that was the day Albert stomped dude's head... man, that was sick... But yeah, I gave jz my cell and he rang me up while I was at the gas station... I gave him some final directions and when I arrived he was sitting on the bench at the corner... within ear shot of the actual tailgate... I got a make on him and called him back and started screwing with him... it was funny... he started looking around... by the time he figured out where I was I was standing about 10'-15' from him... I can't wait to get the tailgatin' back on... :tailgate:

Hey man!! It was a great time, too bad it won't happen again for 8 years. :(

But we will play each other again in 2010 in Dallas. You'll have to bring the gang there for the game!!

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has to be the guy i circled, i mean, eddie george was a cowboy at the end