It was just on ESPNEWS.

The guy said its just the matter of when Roger Godell does it.

that just sounds like the opinion of some talking head, nothing new unless it came from someone in the league office

It was just on ESPNEWS.

The guy said its just the matter of when Roger Godell does it.

IF it does, get ready for an appeal supported by the NFLPA for an unprecedented suspension.

I'll believe it when it happens.

Yeah your right.

It was that John Clayton freaky lookin guy.

I hope its not true but thats what he said.

His exact words.

"PacMan is likley to be suspended for the year. Its just the matter of when Godell(spelling) does it"

Wouldn't doubt it... but IMO it was just someone talking like they know something...

One year for conduct detrimental would be unprecedented. Any representation worth anything could tear it apart- especially the NFLPA.

I hope so...

If you were the guy who laid out his suspension and lets say your not a Titans fan so you wouldnt go easy on him... what would be a fair suspension that you would give him?

John Clayton's usually pretty good, but I'm with Riverman that it'd be met with a quick appeal.

Honestly tho, I'm not sure I'd mind him getting a good suspension, maybe something comparable to what Haynesworth got or a little more, I think some time away from football could show him that his time on the field is not guaranteed, might force him to get his **** together

Well we've had one player of our's serve the longest suspension in the history of the NFL for on-field conduct.... What's the longest for off-field?

c'mon Chris Houston
(or Leon Hall / Darrelle Revis)

i dont think he should be suspended for a year by the NFL that's a little much on the account that he's never been suspended by the NFL b4 just benched by jeff.
ALSO they dont even know whether he's guilty of <b>anything
IMO that's just talk if he comes out innocent of all of these charges then we wont have to worry about it.

surprised this hasn't made it to the Mill yet

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/don_banks/03/20/nfl.discipline/index.html?section=si_latest

Here is the closest thing to a link. It is all based on a "source" in the league office, what ever that means.

surprised this hasn't made it to the Mill yet
seriously, I wasn't expecting this to last ten minutes in the main forum, much less almost an hour :ha:

He doesn't have to be found guilty under the law to be found guilty of violating league policy.

It will be a bad thing for the team if he gets a year off, that is certain.

But the upside is that it takes a swift and certain stand against thug life.

"I don't think [the NFL] will have to wait for the legal process to take its course in this particular situation,'' the source said. "Not in the case where the player has failed to report arrests and transgressions, like he's mandated to do under the terms of the personal conduct clause in his contract.

"We can't tell the Titans that he won't play for them ever again, because the Titans, at the end of the day, will determine his long-term future. But the league will determine his short-term future. You should see something within a two or three-week time frame, and I would think you could expect a multiple-game suspension, or as much as a year or beyond.''

This 'source' thinks a lot, but does he even have a clue?

No one has answerd my question yet.

If you were Godell what would be a fair and realistic suspension?

And would it be without pay

For a failure to report the Georgia incident?

1-2 weeks.

For being dumb enough to be recorded giving a "shout-out" to BMF?

Banned for life.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IA7OTkKey4


PacMan aint got sheet on Tigger

As I see it you have 1 of 2 problems with giving Pacman a long suspension:

1) You make it retroactively, punishing him for all of his prior actions. Any punishment done retrocactivle, aside from being a complete scumbag thing to do regardless of the circumstances, will cause some serious issues for the NFL and I doubt the NFLPA will go for it. Secondly, if you punish Pacman retroactively, then you also need to punish Tank Johnson and everybody else retroactively.

2) You punish him solely for failing to report the arrests in Georgia. However if you do that can you imagine what the suspension would be next time a players is found guilty of a DUI, wifebeating, etc? Soon you'd have to see multiyear bans or the NFL will look like they were just out to get Pacman.

The suspension could be a good thing for pacman, show him that the NFL is serious....or.....it could cause him to go off the deep end. With a year off from the NFL, imagine how much trouble will be out there for him, not to mention more time to spend with his homeboys.

My impression after reading the article is a 4-5 game suspension. Anything longer would be egregiously unprecedented for a first time "conduct detrimental" violation.

http://www.sportsfrog.com/2007/03/a_pacman_jones_death_sentence.php

here's some more rumor fodder... I'm not liking this...

http://www.sportsfrog.com/2007/03/a_pacman_jones_death_sentence.php

here's some more rumor fodder... I'm not liking this...

that's just someones take on it. There is no basis for his findings except the rumor.

http://www.sportsfrog.com/2007/03/a_pacman_jones_death_sentence.php

here's some more rumor fodder... I'm not liking this...


Retro-active policy, one year suspension with one prior offense that was legally dismissed. I just don't see the NFLPA laying down for that.

This latest Las Vegas incident, Pac isn't guilty of anything yet. So the NFL will have to go on things that he did in the past, which I don't see any of them as a suspendable offense, except for the one which he failed to report. So if the NFL makes a decision before the Las Vegas incident pans out, they can expect an appeal as soon as the suspension comes down.

I was under the impression that Goodell has free reign to come up with a suspension length here.

It was mentioned before on this board that no one has ever failed to report arrests like Pacman did, so there is zero precedent for how long the suspension should be. If Goodell wants to make an example of Pacman, I expect that he'll be able to. There will clearly be an appeal, but that doesn't mean that it will be successful. I think we could very well see a one-year suspension (and I personally don't think that's too harsh).

The league's image problem is now way past being out of hand, and Goodell will clearly want his first big move to send a strong message to the rest of the league. Pacman is his best opportunity for doing that.

The local news channel 4 here in Nashville mentioned it during their 10pm news cast. That was the first I had heard about it.

i love how goodell tries to help the bengals, but he just suspends pacman.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2695551

I was under the impression that Goodell has free reign to come up with a suspension length here.

It was mentioned before on this board that no one has ever failed to report arrests like Pacman did, so there is zero precedent for how long the suspension should be. If Goodell wants to make an example of Pacman, I expect that he'll be able to. There will clearly be an appeal, but that doesn't mean that it will be successful. I think we could very well see a one-year suspension (and I personally don't think that's too harsh).


The problem is the NFL will look utterly stupid if they suspend Pacman for a year for not reporting an arrest and then the next guy who is found guilty of a crime only gets 2 or 3 games suspension.

If you give Pacman a years suspension for not reporting an arrest, you need to make the punishment for actually having commited a crime that much tougher too.

i love how goodell tries to help the bengals, but he just suspends pacman.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2695551

He suspended Odell Thurman for a year.

i saw it too but he doesnt know what hes talking about, and IMO losing him for a year wouldnt be as BAD as it seems, its not the worst that could happen. As long as we dont release him.

He suspended Odell Thurman for a year.
he had to, it was his third strike against the nfl's substance abuse policy.

He suspended Odell Thurman for a year.

Because Thurman was already serving a suspension and then did another offence. In that case I think it's perfectly acceptable, the problem though is that Pacman hasn't been subject to previous NFL punishment.

One year for conduct detrimental would be unprecedented. Any representation worth anything could tear it apart- especially the NFLPA.

I've seen this at least twice in this thread. He's not being suspended for conduct detrimental to the team (or the league). He's going to be suspended for not disclosing his arrest, as he is required to do under the league's personal conduct policy. Goodell can basically make the punishment whatever he wants, because although this rule has been on the books for years, it's never come up. No player has ever been so stupid as to not disclose the fact that they were arrested.

WLAC 1510 just announced that Pacman has been suspended by the NFL for the entire 2007 season. Apparently, they wanted to set an example.

I've seen this at least twice in this thread. He's not being suspended for conduct detrimental to the team (or the league). He's going to be suspended for not disclosing his arrest, as he is required to do under the league's personal conduct policy. Goodell can basically make the punishment whatever he wants, because although this rule has been on the books for years, it's never come up. No player has ever been so stupid as to not disclose the fact that they were arrested.

http://nflpa.com/RulesAndRegs/ConductPolicy.aspx#7

Failure to disclose was listed under Conduct detrimental in the league policy. In regards to other players who haven't reported an arrest to the NFL, I'll research that.

No worries. Seems like this one will be easy to get out of nomatter what happens with this rumor. Suspend him, he'll go around it.

He'll be playing by week 3.

Does this affect how much we pay him?

Good thing he really wasnt charged for ne thing, i wonder if itll even get to teh NFLPA b4 its dropped

he had to, it was his third strike against the nfl's substance abuse policy.

that brings back old memories of our old friend ricky williams....

Does this affect how much we pay him?
yes. i dont believe he will receive a game check for games he is suspended for. BUT i dont know the cap ramifications.

I hope Roger Goodell dies, I really dont care if anyone takes offense to this, and if he did die, I wouldnt feel bad, I just dont care

PacMan and the NFLPA better find a way around this, the Titans cannot afford to lose him, which is why, as of late, I have questioned Jeff Fishers ability to coach

I dont want good people, I want good players, Im a fan of winning, not being a model team

Here's the link to the story from WLAC's website
http://www.wlac.com/cc-common/news/sections/local/?newsart=5

this is nothing but a fool-hardy rumor
anyways the NFLPA would attack goodell like a pack of hungry lions <b>if</b> he ended up suspending pac 4 a year for the sole reason that he didnt report his atlanta arrest

WLAC 1510 just announced that Pacman has been suspended by the NFL for the entire 2007 season. Apparently, they wanted to set an example.
this is just irresponsible posting. you should be ashamed of yourself.

:tj: off to the mill with this please!

lovely

I hope Roger Goodell dies, I really dont care if anyone takes offense to this, and if he did die, I wouldnt feel bad, I just dont care

PacMan and the NFLPA better find a way around this, the Titans cannot afford to lose him, which is why, as of late, I have questioned Jeff Fishers ability to coach

I dont want good people, I want good players, Im a fan of winning, not being a model team


:shocked:

I agree with the last 2 paragraphs

lol

id rather he fall down during the nfl draft 1st pick announcment and they play the pacman dieing sound.

It is a matter of discipline.

Pacman gets taken to the woodshed, or he gets tossed out of the league, which would you prefer?

:shocked:

I agree with the last 2 paragraphs

lol

id rather he fall down during the nfl draft 1st pick announcment and they play the pacman dieing sound.

Lmao

I like that sig, can I wear it too

Lmao

I like that sig, can I wear it too

yeah

One year for conduct detrimental would be unprecedented. Any representation worth anything could tear it apart- especially the NFLPA.

True dat, and if they really do suspend him, we need a few more names on the boat, such as:

Randy Moss, Odell Thurman, Chris Henry, Joey Porter, AJ Nicholson, any Bengal, and for that matter, anybody that's been caught DUI or wife beating. And heck, even Albert should be on that list if they really wanna label something any of these clowns have done detrimental...

Here's the link to the story from WLAC's website
http://www.wlac.com/cc-common/news/sections/local/?newsart=5

Useless link, not even about Pacman...

Useless link, not even about Pacman... It was about him earlier but you can get the story by going to the right and click on the Pacman one - but at this point it nothing new.

anything more than 4 games is total bs,he hasnt been convicted of anything
ok he violated a rule but a year for not reporting an arrest . if the union agrees to this they are nuts.

This new policy is to be revealed this Tuesday at the owners/managers meeting, correct? If they enforce this on Pacman, they will need to dig up everything that has ever happened to every player currently in the NFL and enforce it on those who have all broken the rules. The shear threat of the league suspending Pacman for a year based on a new policy will be ripped to shreds in any hearing. That is to say that you have a country where murder is perfectly legal but not looked upon as being morale. Then this same country passes a new law saying that murder is illegal... The government of the country must then find all of those who have murdered in the past and sentence them. That was a rough comparison, but it's like that.... kinda. NFLPA will be salivating if it happens, because they know that they will win in any court. I think that Pac must be more worried on a team or contract level. If not reporting a crime voids a contract, then he's screwed. I hope that he turns his life around real quick. The Titans need him to be the defensive playmaker next year.

Wow.

Instead of getting angry at the league for setting standards, why not wish Adam Jones could live up to them?

The Player's Assoc. will agree that something needs done, and there will be no one defending out of hand athletes making crime related headlines.

If anything.. he'll probably get suspended for 2 or 3 weeks for ongoing misconduct.

Im hearing its going to be a minmum of a year. Im gonna cry if its a year. Then im gonna go to the NFL draft and beat the crap out of Godell. And then for the heck of it im gonna smack a Jets fan

I agree that a year is excessive for the GA arrest reporting.

But he is not helping him self in any practical way.
Instead of public statements about him changing his ways, he makes public statements about how he isn't changing ever for any reason.

As long as he is going to be stubborn about hanging with his thug "friends" then he might need to think about it for a year.

It will hurt the team, but it really comes down to that simple thing.

Instead of getting angry at the league for setting standards, why not wish Adam Jones could live up to them?


Maybe because Pacman hasn't done anything to warrant the ridiculous punishment talked about?

I find it disgusting that Pacman gets so much publicity, yet when Joey Porter and his gang beats up a fellow NFL player in a casino it's just swept under the rug.
Or what about Ricky Manning Jr. who pleaded no contest to felony assault charges, on top of already having a conviction of assault from 2002? Nobody's talking about a lengthy suspension for him.

And that's the problem with the NFL and policies, they likely will be, as they have always been, completely arbitrary.

I am just saying that if they do suspend Pac for a year and claim that his actions last year broke one of the new policy rules, the NFL will have a hard time with getting that by any legal representation in a court of law. I do not defend Pac's actions off the field, but he hasn't been convicted of any crime yet. Some of the other players that have been convicted of crimes haven't even gotten a year's suspension. I think that this "making an example of Pacman" stuff is a load of Texans' pie. I don't know. Maybe the league is already anticipating that Pacman will commit a crime after the new policy is rolled out. :suspect:

Okay, but it doesn't work like that.

The league can set the rules.

The failure to phone in an arrest is just the fig leaf to cover the problem of too much "wrong place, wrong time, with the wrong friends."

It is a matter of contract law, not criminal law at that point.
The league has a clear breach of contract to which to point, and all Pac's side can say is "that's not fair."

Okay, but it doesn't work like that.

The league can set the rules.

The failure to phone in an arrest is just the fig leaf to cover the problem of too much "wrong place, wrong time, with the wrong friends."

It is a matter of contract law, not criminal law at that point.
The league has a clear breach of contract to which to point, and all Pac's side can say is "that's not fair."

OK, then if Pac is suspended for this, about 10 other players should be too.

Okay, but it doesn't work like that.

The league can set the rules.

The failure to phone in an arrest is just the fig leaf to cover the problem of too much "wrong place, wrong time, with the wrong friends."

It is a matter of contract law, not criminal law at that point.
The league has a clear breach of contract to which to point, and all Pac's side can say is "that's not fair."

You're right in so far that the NFL can suspend Pacman for not reporting the arrest, the problem however is if the new policy punishes Pacman more severely because of prior incidents. That kind of retroactive punishment could possibly be brought up in a civil suit.

And the NFL can't suspend Pacman for a year simply for failure to disclose an arrest. I mean they can, but they will look even more stupid and arbitrary if they punish failure to report an arrest more severely than being guilty of a crime.
How could they possibly justify suspending Pacman a year for not reporting an arrest, yet give Joey Porter a lesser suspension for commiting assault?
That's basically telling the players they can get away with crimes, just as long as they tell the NFL about it.

Convictions and pleas count against the conduct policy apparently.

It isn't a matter of "commit crimes as long as you tell us" since there are stipulations and penalties for copping a plea or being found guilty at trial.

I understand the sentiment about others being guilty, but that doesn't matter in terms of deciding one man's fate. Pointing to the misdeeds of others is a common distraction tactic, but it isn't a valid one. There is what he did, and punishment that can be meted out.

Forget what other players did. Forget what punishments others get.

There is nothing else to be done. We don't get a vote.

I hope we have him playing at a high level this season. And I hope the message gets through to the young man.

Convictions and pleas count against the conduct policy apparently.

It isn't a matter of "commit crimes as long as you tell us" since there are stipulations and penalties for copping a plea or being found guilty at trial.

I understand the sentiment about others being guilty, but that doesn't matter in terms of deciding one man's fate. Pointing to the misdeeds of others is a common distraction tactic, but it isn't a valid one. There is what he did, and punishment that can be meted out.

Forget what other players did. Forget what punishments others get.

There is nothing else to be done. We don't get a vote.

I hope we have him playing at a high level this season. And I hope the message gets through to the young man.

You make reasonable points. However, if Goodell stipulates punishment for Pac that is retro-active or excessive and puts Pac out of work for a year, then Pac has monetary loss (damages). This is the line of negotiation that will (or already has) occur when deciding Pac's fate.

If Pac's punishment deviates far from precedent, then Pac CAN sue the NFL as his employer for damages based on discrimination or inequitable policy administration. Additionally, I'm certain the NFLPA WILL step in to avoid arbitrary enforcement of the policy to protect OTHER players in the future. Simply put, the NFLPA does not want to allow an "unfriendly to player" precedent to be set. (By that I mean one in which extraordinary punishment can be enacted by the commissioner. I understand the league and NFLPA wants to improve the punishment and the image of the NFL.)

Ok I'm a bit confused is Pac suspended for sure or is it being tossed around and just a big rumor.

Ok I'm a bit confused is Pac suspended for sure or is it being tossed around and just a big rumor.
it is in the rumor mill...

i know, i'm a smart ***

it is in the rumor mill...

i know, i'm a smart ***
someone was going to say it :ha:

New article with interesting quotes from Fisher.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2812766

I also heard on Sirius "Opening Drive" discussion that it would be difficult to enforce suspensions without convictions.

It appears Pac won't be charged in the Las Vegas incident but will face a stiffer (IMO- 4 game suspension) for conduct detrimental (failure to report). Obviously, a conviction in the felony/ obstruction case would lengthen the suspension. I believe Pac is going to have to fight this one in court and can't settle.

4 games.. i can deal with. actually i want him to be suspended for 4 games. but thats it. he deserves it .. as much as i like him and everything he needs to find out what happens when u f around. i hope we open up against oakland , tampa bay , houston and then a bye week so we dont have to worry about losing

There is supposedly supposed to be a press conference by LVPD today at 4 concerning the shooting.

There is supposedly supposed to be a press conference by LVPD today at 4 concerning the shooting. http://tennessean.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070326/SPORTS01/70326027

4 games.. i can deal with. actually i want him to be suspended for 4 games. but thats it. he deserves it .. as much as i like him and everything he needs to find out what happens when u f around. i hope we open up against oakland , tampa bay , houston and then a bye week so we dont have to worry about losing
You do realize that byes don't count toward suspensions because there's no game, right? if you look at Haynesworth's suspension last year, he was suspended for four games but was out five weeks because it included our bye week. Although I completely agree with your sentiment, it might even help Pac get his mind right if he watches the team win without him

New article with interesting quotes from Fisher.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2812766
Here's the quote that stuck out from that article to me:

"If he doesn't commit to changing it, at some point it's going to be too much," Arora said. "It may already be there to some extent."

Arora is Pac's attorney for anyone who doesn't recognize the name