We got a TV a few years back and now it has gotten a blue streak on the bottom and up the side.
The company said they will either fix it or replace it. Since it is the second time it has happened we chose to replace it. Now we have the option between these two:

http://au.lge.com/md/product/prodcategorylist.do?actType=detail&currPage=1&categoryId=1000000094&parentCategoryId=1000000091&categoryLevel=4&productId=1100001101#

or

http://au.lge.com/md/product/prodcategorylist.do?actType=detail&currPage=1&categoryId=0200010202&parentCategoryId=0200000102&categoryLevel=4&productId=1100001036


what to choose...

You people are rich, aren't you?

we get it for free.

Ah-HA! I KNEW it! Only rich people get free stuff!

I've heard that Plasma TVs are better for gaming and watching movies, but I wouldn't know for sure.

Try these links...

Plasma - http://gear.ign.com/hdtv/plasma.html
Rear Projector - http://gear.ign.com/hdtv/rp.html

I think we are leaning towards the plasma. The 60,000 hour life as well as better resolution is putting it over the top.

I have a big Pioneer Elite plasma and love it. Watching sports on Hi-Def channels is like looking out a window into the stadium. It's just unreal..

if the tv is going into a bright room, you might consider the DLP tv. otherwise, i'm thinking the plasma is better.

you can do more research here...http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/

i got a 32in flat panel lcd hdtv ready for 500 dollars us on buy.com
http://www.buy.com/prod/sova-32-lcd-hd-ready-tv-1200-1-dynamic-contrast-ratio-16-9-rgb-dvi-s/q/loc/111/203533407.html

We ended getting the plasma.

We ended getting the plasma.

So now you've had plenty of time to check it out what do you think? Right choice? :)

Oh yeah, noticeable difference in quality from the previous one.

Nice, our roommate bought one last year and we loved it. Nature channel on HD is unreal...

I've heard that Plasma TVs are better for gaming

Incorrect
Plasma's are poor choices for any content that has static images (like HUD's) and fast movement due to sluggish refresh rates

there are pro's to Plasma ... just not for gamers and sports fans
they're great though if you watch alot of vivids like Planet Earth

Hitachi makes an awesome Plasma, next up would be Panasonics

Incorrect
Plasma's are poor choices for any content that has static images (like HUD's) and fast movement due to sluggish refresh rates

there are pro's to Plasma ... just not for gamers and sports fans
they're great though if you watch alot of vivids like Planet Earth

Hitachi makes an awesome Plasma, next up would be Panasonics

I have a big screen Pioneer Elite Plasma as well as a Samsung DLP in another room and a Panasonic LCD in a third and I'll take the Pioneer over any of them for all content. I've heard that refresh rate jazz before but even comparing the crowd in a HD NBA broadcast the Pioneer wins frame for frame for the least amount of fast moving image blur..

however, Plasma is still not a good option for gaming to to burn-in issues

My suggestion for anyone looking for a large beautiful display would be the Sony Grand Wega KDS-60A2020 1080p SXRD, which is a version of LCOS (Liquid Crystal on Silicone). This set knocks the socks off the Toshiba 62hm196 1080p DLP that I replaced. Toshiba claims that it is a 1080p set - yet it does NOT accept 1080p input via any terminal. It attains the 1920x1080 resolution by 'wobulation' which de-interlaces the "i" and makes it a "p"

I had a few issues with DLP (rainbow and Black/White - refresh rate - artifacting and chasing pixelation on fast scenes) I have yet to see any issues like this with the SXRD and resolution is up about 20%. don't get me wrong though, the Toshiba is an excellent set, but for about the same money, the Sony SXRD is the better buy

imo, it is easily one of the better displays available regardless of technology and quite possibly is the best Micro-Display available (DLP / HD-IDLA / Lcos / SXRD) and it maintains alot of the Pro's of both LCD and Plasma at a price point comparable with RPJ's
http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/I/316Q3KEu6HL._SS400_.jpg
($2400 @ Costco)

LCOS Projection Sony SXRD / JVC HD-ILA

LCOS (Liquid Crystal on Silicon) technology, a souped-up derivative of LCD technology, is the hot new kid on the block in high-resolution displays. Rather than passing light through a transparent LCD panel to generate an image, in LCOS displays the light is bounced off of a reflective substrate onto which liquid crystals have been applied. There are two classes of LCOS light engines: single-chip and three-chip. Three-chip displays use a system of prisms to split a single light source into its red, green and blue components (analogous to the three tubes in a CRT projection system). Discrete video modulations are applied individually to the three resulting light paths, which are then recombined by another prism array to create the composite image. LCOS technology is used in displays of 50" and larger.

Strengths
LCOS' calling card is ultrahigh resolution. A typical high-resolution LCOS panel comprises 1080 pixels x 1920 pixels, making it the first fixed-pixel imaging system capable of faithfully reproducing every detail in a 1080-line image (LCD and plasma HD panels typically "scale," or interpolate, 1080-line images in order to display them in the panels' 1024 actual lines). Additionally, LCOS was the first technology capable of true 1080p (progressive-scan) display (although competing displays have since equalled the feat). Visible pixelization (known as "screen-door effect") is virtually eliminated at normal viewing distances with LCOS, because the cell structure of the panels features very little space between the individual pixels. And because the light passes through the liquid crystals twice on its way to the projection lens (once between lamp and mirror, and once more when reflected back toward the projection lens), LCOS improves upon the traditionally marginal contrast performance of LCD displays, while sharing LCD's imperviousness to burn-in.

I have a Toshiba 62". Very pleased. Consumer Reports agrees.

went with the http://www.tvauthority.com/DLP-TV-HDTV/Samsung-HL-S6187W.asp?aff=5183

so far so good. Only get HD via broadcast though. When I watch live TV it is awsome though. Nashville has 10 HD channels plus a whole lot of other HD stuff (religious and shopping). so far I have no way to record in HD, possibly by christmas maybe.

I have a Toshiba 62". Very pleased. Consumer Reports agrees.

We liked ours to
but I didn't like the idea that I wasn't going to be able to input 1080p
the side effect was that Ps3 dvd playback was downconverted to 480p
which looks bad compared to the same dvd upconverted to 1080p

it would still be here had I not inserted a ps3 into my system
and (luckily) Costco had dropped the price of the SXRD to the same price as the Toshiba ...... thank gd for the generous Costco return policy (which btw is no longer in existence. All TV sales in the future are limited to 90 day policies)

I agree the Toshiba is a good set, I just don't like being mislead
1080p is written all over the box, but is never mentioned in the manual and it never achieved that resolution

Incorrect
Plasma's are poor choices for any content that has static images (like HUD's) and fast movement due to sluggish refresh rates

however, Plasma is still not a good option for gaming to to burn-in issues

But hasn't this changed with recent Plasmas versions? Especially the burn-in issue, which I've read is not a problem anymore for the most newest Plasmas.

Here's a text from the links I provided on the last page...

...there are a variety of compelling reasons why plasma should be the preferred choice among gamers and hardcore home theater enthusiasts... Chief among these reasons is the fact that plasma displays are capable of producing significantly higher quality imagery than LCDs. Plasmas can produce much blacker-blacks and brighter colors, which makes both games and movies look vivid and captivating. Modern plasma displays also have very fast response-times and as such are free of the motion-blur that characterizes some LCDs when rapid movement causes ghosting across a display.

Burn in isn't really an issue any more. You don't want to leave a white image on a black screen that isn't moving for a long time, but just take some care and won't be a problem.

Puck...did you download the latest update with the Playstation 3? It now upconverts to 1080p.

I have a 50" Panasonic Plasma. Looks great. At work we use 50" JVC's and they look very good. In the kitchen at work we have a Sony Bravia XBR Wega. It is a 32" LCD. For the money they paid, I am very unimpressed. In the professional world, you can't touch Sony monitors. But consumer world, they are good, but by no means the best. Bottom line, if it looks good to you, then it is.

Puck, are you saying the Toshiba doesn't play true Blu-Ray discs and has to convert it?

I was hoping to make the move to the PS3 around Christmas.

Puck, are you saying the Toshiba doesn't play true Blu-Ray discs and has to convert it?

I was hoping to make the move to the PS3 around Christmas.

Toshiba 1080p DLP's do not actually accept 1080p input via any input
1080p is reached by mirror wobulation, a scenario similar to 'upscaling"

if you were to take a Ps3 or a Blu-Ray unit and connect it to the Toshiba (mine was the 62HM196) then enter the settings on the ps3 and enable 1080P you are confronted with a blank screen ..... furthermore, regular DVD's are displayed in 480p

when connecting to a set like the Sony, Blu-Ray and standard DVD are both displayed in full 1080p. thats why I Returned the Toshiba. I staretd to call Toshiba and raise hell, but decided to say "puck it" and went to costco to see what they had. the toshi was 2299 and the sony 2399. however, considering i had paid 2599 for the toshi back in sept06, i decided to exchange and pocket the extra cash (which I spent on a Harmony 770 remote)

Hey Jeff...

I have a 1080i Panasonic with with PS3. 1080p is nice, but not necessary. If you ever want to come over and take a look, give me a shout.

Hey Puck, what's the difference in quality of the 1080p and 1080i?

Thanks for the invite, VnT. I'd like to see your setup.

There isn't a big enough difference in quality that most will see. I have worked on a number of 720p and 1080i projects and it all depends how it is shot and lit. At the end of the day, the world, in my opinion, will go 1080i. It is the easiest one that the local stations will be able to convert to. That 'p' makes it very expensive.

however, Plasma is still not a good option for gaming to to burn-in issues


Puck, I used to feel the same way.

I recently gave my 4 year old 61" DLP to my mother and father in law. It was replaced with this.......

http://img355.imageshack.us/img355/5474/img1893nh3.jpg

http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/4181/img1892wv2.jpg


It is the new 63" Samsung 1080p Plasma. Model FP-T6374.

I was against plasma for fear of burn in as well. Samsung claimed that image retention and burn in are a thing of the past with their anti burn in phospher tech and anti burn in features such as pixel shift, white screen and rolling screen.

I was going to go with the new 72" Samsung DLP, but my wife really wanted the plasma and after much research, I decided to jump into plasma land.

Plasma is extremely fast because of its phospher tech and is as fast as CRT. I have not seen a smoother faster picture.

I watched some Blu Ray and HD DVD this past weekend and had zero IR even with the black bars above and below the picture.

The key is this with plasma, you have to baby it for the first 100 hours or so, which I hit this weekend. Once you get past that magic number and the set settles, you have to be really abusive to the set to cause permanent burn in. So, don't pause any still images on the screen for hours or anything like that. Try to keep almost everything full screen.

I have played many hours of APF 2K8 and have seen zero IR. Gears has never looked better. The only time I saw any IR was the first few days of having the set and it was after watching a Blu Ray movie. But, as soon as I went back to a full screen picture, IR was gone.

I am watching my 4:3 material stretched to avoid IR, but should be able to go with gray bars once I get past the 200 - 250 hour mark.

Colors are perfect, PC and Games look excellent and the Plasma fully trumps the picture on my 46" Samsung 1080p LCD (which is already phenomenal) in the bedroom.

I think Plasma is the perfect choice for responsible television viewers. Especially since their pricing has dropped. I never burned in any CRT that I ever owned (even HD CRT), so I fully expect to do the same with my new plasma.

I am officially a plasma convert. Biggest downfall is the fact that plasma panels are reflective like CRT. Most new plasmas come with an anti-glare coating on the glass which reduces glare, though it does not eliminate it. In my viewing conditions, I am having zero problems.

I will say though, the new Sony XBR5 SxRD units are going to be nice and will have a very small footprint, even @ 70".

The only way I could be happier is if the screen was 72". Of course, my wallet would not be so happy if that was the case.

Later

good choice

just keep in mind, that if you ever do get IR, their is a way to reverse it

loop a high color, multiple scene program overnight - that should do it

pixel shift (in theory) should keep it down
the reason letterbox doesn't burn in is probably because the bars are not scanned with your display, on some older RPTV's it was

I'm sure Plasma technology has made significant strides recently, I hope it works out for you

Hey Puck, what's the difference in quality of the 1080p and 1080i?


well, to me it is clearly noticeable
as a matter of fact, i find differences in 720p v 1080i v 1080p

the Sony SXRD (1080p) crushes the Toshi (1080ip?) that I had

I don't believe that the posters claiming there is no difference is using reference material or high quality displays

as I'm typing this, I'm watching Happily Never After (SD) with my kid on my ps3/sxrd setup - the displayed info says it's 1080p (it's being upconverted)... it looks clearer than most material that you'd see on CBSHD (Comcast 233)
for comparison, I hooked it up to the 37" Olevia 1080i LCD in the living room - not even close. you'd think that the smaller screen LCD could at least keep up with the 60" LcoS = nada

I can see it
but if you're gonna stick with that Toshi DLP, you might not
I just don't think DLP is there yet

I have seen both 1080i and 1080p source material on ISF calibrated displays, and I have not seen an appreciable difference between the two. Difference between 720p and 1080i, yes. Just watch Fox HD sports and then watch CBS HD sports and you will see the difference between 720p and 1080i.

I am not saying that some people who look hard enough will see the difference, but I am not convinced that if I played back the same movie at 1080i and 1080p that anyone could tell the difference in a blinded test.

I have a 73" DLP and have no issues with rainbows nor motion artifacts. I am pretty anal about pixelation and artifacts and I have yet to see any, and I have not even had it ISF calibrated yet. That happens in Sept.

TJ's Tosh is a great set. Some people are more susceptible to rainbows with DLPs than others, so that is a user dependent issue. I know people that love their SXRD and others that swear by their DLP or Plasma. Its like cars, its all in the eyes of the user.

Buy what you love and love what you buy and don't try to tell others that they have inferior equipment.

forgive me if that's the way it sounds LJ (and TJ)
I'm not sure of Jeff's model number, but I can tell you that the Toshiba **HM196 models do NOT accept 1080p input via any connection
they are advertised as 1080p sets, but I'm not sure if they are ever able to achieve that resolution. I connected several different components via HDMI and VGA and was never able to achieve 1080p ... a little research uncovered that DLP displays like the (HM196) achieves a 'progressive' 1080 picture only by means of "wobulation" of the mirrors.

Wobulation is currently primarily used in displays using Digital Light Processing (DLP). DLP is a Texas Instruments (TI) technology which relies on a Digital Micromirror Device (DMD) chip. TI calls its implementation of wobulation 'SmoothPicture'. Horizontal wobulation used in current TI products allows a DMD chip with a 960x1080 mirror array to produce a 1920x1080 pixel picture. Also, the image overlap inherent in the use of wobulation eliminates the 'screen door' effect common on other fixed pixel displays such as plasma and LCD, but may in some implementations also create some reduction in sharpness. Wobulation is used by a number of TV manufacturers, including Hewlett-Packard, Mitsubishi, RCA, Samsung, and Toshiba. - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wobulation

It's an emulation
and my guess is that a DLP set manufactured by Samsung , Toshiba and Mitsubishi that claim 1080p resolution is achieving it by wobulation.

if anyone owning such a display can post a pic of the resolution display info showing the set is indeed scanning 1080p then I will gladly retract my statement

like so

I think my point is that I personally at this point do not care about 1080p for a couple of reasons. One, there is no HD that is currently or will be anytime soon broadcast in 1080p via cable, air or satellite. Until the bandwidth is fully available and both the networks and movie houses commit to such we won't be seeing it widespread anytime soon. By the time its the standard both our sets will be "outdated" anyway and we will be discussing "Which TV" again.

Second, I just do not see the difference in the 1080i and 1080p material that is out right now, again on fully ISF calibrated displays. If I am not getting the "wow" factor pop when I view the up to 1080p, then it is not worth my worrying about being on the cutting edge by having a set that accepts it.

Enjoy your Sony...a lot of people love their SXRD sets.

maybe we're posturing over different ideals here

here's what I'm trying to say (not to be provocative or otherwise)
there are not that many places where a person can go to view a 1080p presentation. Most people will go to BestBuy or CC and gather their opinions there :ha: . Even at HiFi or Tweeter, you're still not going to get proper "in-home" viewing results. I'm saying that my guess is that the people that are claiming to not see the difference have A) not actually seen a true 1080p presentation on a quality set (ie, a wobulating DLP would not apply) B) if they have seen a real setup, but didn't see a 1080p presentation side-by-side a 1080i presentation

I would love to see these ISF calibrated displays you speak of. where ?

now, to source material
yes, it may be never before 1080p is broadcast standard
it takes enormous bandwidth
but the real need for 1080p (for those who want it) is to get the most out of their home entertainment experience through gaming and movie watching, not just broadcast TV (which is so compressed, any clarity gain would be lost in the compression / sampling)
with Blu-Ray and now Hd-DVD outputing in 1080P and the Ps3 beginning to construct games in 1080p it is very much a relevant technology ... but only for people who combine gear that properly utilizes the resolution (as in my examination of connecting a Blu-Ray player to a DLP that is simply using wobulation)

and no, ther is no MAJOR difference in i and p - how can there be ?
your talking about over 1,000 lines of resolution
but it is noticeable to see the scan difference
just set an old CRT TV beside a PC Monitor ... you see it ?

My question to all :
Did you notice the difference when you bought your first progressive scan DVD player ? it's about the same type of contrast
there's not alot, but there is :
a gain in detail
a loss of mosaic artifacting
deeper blacks
more vivid colors
1080i is an interlaced signal
1080p is a progressive scan signal

I respect your opinion Laserjock
and I can understand your stance on waiting it out
but I can tell you from first hand experience that there is a noticeable difference between the 2 sets that i referred to - enough to warrant and justify the purchase

most people shopping can see differences in picture clarity between an LCD and a Plasma ... or a DLP vs an LcoS

now, if someone could see differences between several different sets using the SAME 1080i signal, don't you think they'd be able to see the difference in interlaced and progressive scans

for those who've not given it much thought
--To compare 1080i and 1080p, it is important to compare framerates. Due to interlacing, 1080i has twice the frame-rate but half the resolution of a 1080p signal using the same bandwidth. --

I have seen all 3 resolutions and it depends at what you are looking at. How it is shot, etc. I don't think your average viewer at home will ever see the difference on any consumer set.

As far as broadcast, it will most likely be 1080i. Won't see 1080p broadcasted.

I think my point is that I personally at this point do not care about 1080p for a couple of reasons. One, there is no HD that is currently or will be anytime soon broadcast in 1080p via cable, air or satellite. Until the bandwidth is fully available and both the networks and movie houses commit to such we won't be seeing it widespread anytime soon.

i found some info :
It is less bandwidth-intensive to broadcast a film at 1080p24 than 1080i30, since 20% less data would be transferred.

I seriously doubt you will see the standard ever be anything 1080p or 720p. Too expensive to change over.

Size of screen and viewing distance are the keys for being able to see the difference between 720p and 1080p.

Here is a great chart........

http://www.carltonbale.com/wp-content/uploads/resolution_chart.png

I am about 11' from my 63". If it were wall mounted, I could gain about another 2'. At my current viewing distance, getting a 72" 1080p set would be ideal, but not 720p. That was part of my original reasoning as to get a bigger display from my old 61". I only went up 2" instead of 11", but even 2"s makes a pretty big difference.


My question to all :
Did you notice the difference when you bought your first progressive scan DVD player ? it's about the same type of contrast
there's not alot, but there is :
a gain in detail
a loss of mosaic artifacting
deeper blacks
more vivid colors
1080i is an interlaced signal
1080p is a progressive scan signal

Of course I did. I noticed even more when I switched from progressive to a nice up-scaling player.

But if you really want to see what the fuss over 1080p is, you really have to put yourself in the proper viewing distances and have a pure 1080p source like Blu Ray or HD DVD.

At certain distances, it will all look the same anyway.

The best thing about 1080p is that it allows you to have a bigger display that can be placed closer to you.

As far as wobulation goes, Samsung says that their sets have 120 hz smooth picture or something like that. Now they are not actually processing the image at 120 hz but rather emulating 1080p @ 60 hz by wobulating the mirror @ 120hz. It happens so fast that it is nearly impossible for the human eye to tell the difference.

Now, new model TV's are actually implementing 120 hz to allow for smoother transitioning of fast moving pictures. It will also perform better for 1080p 24hz material as 120hz is evenly divisible by 24hz. 60hz is not and using normal 3:2 pulldown can create what many refer to as judder. I would assume that a 960X1080 mirror array would have to run @ 240hz to emulate 1080p @ 120hz. I am not sure of this.

Mitsubishi has a new model DLP coming out that will actually process @ 120hz. I wonder if the mirror array is actually 1920x1080.

120 hz is going to be the next big thing. After having seen the new Sharp 65" LCD running using 120hz, I was extremely impressed, though that set is going for $8,500 and is out of my budget.

Bottom line is for people to buy what looks good to them, and also supports their viewing habits and budget.

Later

I seriously doubt you will see the standard ever be anything 1080p or 720p. Too expensive to change over.


Yes, the broadcast standard will be 1080i and 720p for a loooooong time.

Later

You won't see 720p become the standard either.

The best thing about 1080p is that it allows you to have a bigger display that can be placed closer to you.


a simplified yet prudent addition to the cause

besides, if you're not going to watch Blu-Ray or HD-DVD in 1080p then there's really no point in having them

Even with blu-ray you aren't seening the "best picture". It is still compressed.

yet, you are seeing the best picture available to consumers

i found this in my email and thought I'd add it to the discussion
it's from Toshiba re:the **HM196

Dear Sean:

Thank you for your interest in Toshiba.

Your unit is a 1080p TV, in that it displays a 1080p resolution (1920 x 1080) all the time. While the television will not accept a 1080p signal from a source device, it will accept a 1080i signal (as well as 480i, 480p and 720p) and deinterlace the signal for display as 1080p.

Deinterlacing is the process of converting an interlaced picture (e.g. 1080i) to a progressive-scan picture (e.g., 1080p). This process is performed internally in your TV. It is unlikely that you would notice any difference between an image from a native-encoded 1080p signal and a deinterlaced source 1080i signal.

However, his assessment was incorrect
on a 60" screen or larger it is noticeable

besides, if you're not going to watch Blu-Ray or HD-DVD in 1080p then there's really no point in having them

This is bordering almost on "resolution snobbery". Its a ridiculous statement to make the claim that if you are not going to watch at 1080p that its not worth the investment. The change from even progressive scan upconversion of regular 480p DVD to 1080i [converted to 1080p] is clear. Much more clear than your perception of going from 1080i converted to 1080p to native 1080p input.

However, his assessment was incorrect
on a 60" screen or larger it is noticeable

Again, I do not believe you can make that a blanket statement. You may believe you see a difference, however I have not seen a difference that I could tell, and I have seen comparisons on displays ranging from 62" DLP to 110" FP. I am as anal as they come, and in normal viewing of HD material, be it OTA, Cable, DTV or Blu-Ray, I do not believe that 99% of consumers will see the difference enough to want to toss their 1080i sets out the window.

Its like making the blanket statement that because of RBE [rainbow effect] of the color wheels in DLPs, that they are inferior technology. We have never experience RBE with our DLP.

Or making the statement that LCOS is better thand DLP. I can point you to threads where you will find as many people who have not liked their LCOS sets just as I can find as many people that didn't like DLP.

I think you are very happy with your SXRD, and I am thrilled for you as a fellow HT enthusiast. Love to hear people loving their setup. But to read your posts would make one believe that a current 1080i set is already obsolete and inferior to native 1080p, despite that fact the the majority of HD viewing sources right now are presented in either 720p and 1080i and will be for a significant period of time.

Heck, they are just getting around to forcing everyone to adopt digital ready televisions. 1080i is even still in the enthusiast realm of HD tv technology.

I agree Laserjock. I just bought a new Pioneer Plasma, and didn't see any reason to go pure 1080i. This is 8th generation, and they still don't see the need to make 1080i only, but of course it's supported. Bring on football.

LJ, i apologize if i seem to be coming off a little hard on this topic

my experience is based on 'personal' in home evaluation
I've had the opportunity to not only compare display types but there respective resolutions
I can tell you, imo, that I prefer LcoS over DLP and LCD (I've owned all 3)
and 1080p over 1080i
perhaps that's just a biased ,personal opinion
but it is mine ..... and I have real experience with both

everyone I've heard that claims to not see a difference is not in ownership of the equipment to make the statement, and have only seen equipment in a retail store or some other facility.

this back and forth "yes it does, no it doesn't" is meaningless
if you don't see it - don't buy it
but don't base the assumption that there is no difference in the technologies based purely on demo's you've seen in stores

I just bought a new Pioneer Plasma, and didn't see any reason to go pure 1080i. This is 8th generation, and they still don't see the need to make 1080i only, but of course it's supported. Bring on football.

Pioneer started making FULL 1080p Plasmas last year

there are 2 models (that I know of) that are full 1920x1080 (1080p)

Pioneer PDP-5000EX http://www.onecall.com/ProductDetails.aspx?id=87857
http://www.pioneer.co.uk/uk/content/press/news/PDP5000EX.html


Pioneer Elite PRO-FHD1
Pioneer 1080P Plasma Television Awarded Product of the Year
Pioneer Elite PRO-FHD1 Honored at CES 2007 by Sound and Vision Magazine and Ultimate AV
January 15, 2007
http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/pna/v3/pg/press/release/detail/0,,2076_310069589_401103030,00.html

http://www.electronicexpress.com/product?prod_id=9902&refer=6&cpc=6
http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-and-plasma/pioneer-pro-fhd1/4505-6482_7-31641854.html
http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/pna/v3/pg/press/release/detail/0,,2076_310069589_401103030,00.html

-Description of Pioneer PROFHD1 / PRO-FHD1:
1080p Progressive Image Reproduction
2,073,600-Pixels (Full 1920 x 1080)
--The PRO-FHD1 accepts and processes a broad variety of the most fashionable HD signals, including 1920x1080 at 24, 30 and 60fps. --



btw - Most LCD and Plasma display have a native 1365 x 768-pixel resolution (meaning that 1080p signals via the HDMI connection will be downscaled)
so these displays are disqualified as being applicable candidates for tests

Pioneer started making FULL 1080p Plasmas last year


btw - Most LCD and Plasma display have a native 1365 x 768-pixel resolution (meaning that 1080p signals via the HDMI connection will be downscaled)
so these displays are disqualified as being applicable candidates for tests

Pioneer PDP5080HD

Broadcast Standards
HDTV Compatible Yes
HDTV Built-in Tuner Yes
Broadcast Format Displayed 720p (HDTV)

Broadcast Format Supported 1080i (HDTV)
480i (SDTV)
480p (EDTV)
720p (HDTV)


You missed my point. I know they make full 1080p's, but for $3000 less, you can have darn near the same picture quality as a Pro series. This is a brand new release for this year, and the format is still 720p...that's all I was trying to say.