I just want some of your guy's thoughts on Bonds getting close to the record.

If he breaks it this year what will your reaction be?

Mad? Happy? Dont care?

I love the Giants so im waiting for the day but I just wanted to see what some of you guys thought about him. :))

Don't care about bonds, or baseball in general. I haven't even watched a game including WS since 1994, for those of you that don't remember or are too young that was the year that ML baseball went on strike and didn't finish the season. Screw em.:moon2:

I used to love baseball as much as I did the NFL. Now, I may flip over to a Braves game about once a week and watch a couple of innings.

Bonds doesn't deserve the record and I can care less if he breaks it. I hope the word "steroids" is forever associated with his name.

I could be wrong but weren't Bonds big home-run years also his biggest "enhanced performance" years? I'd like to see this peckerwood carry an asterisk...

He is avid steriod user & everybody knows. Yet he sits on TV & tries to deny all the time. The guy is a joke IMO.

The way I look at is that A-Rod will pass him soon, and it will all be forgotten. Bonds can't go much longer. He broke an ethical standard, but never broke any baseball rules. That's what is so tough here. He's like pac man in a lot of ways. He did the wrong thing, but will never be convicted. So what do you do. In his mind he never cheated. In our minds he did. Tough call. But like I said, A-rod is rolling over his record pretty soon. A lot of people forget Ken Griffey is not far behind either.

The way I look at is that A-Rod will pass him soon, and it will all be forgotten. Bonds can't go much longer. He broke an ethical standard, but never broke any baseball rules. That's what is so tough here. He's like pac man in a lot of ways. He did the wrong thing, but will never be convicted. So what do you do. In his mind he never cheated. In our minds he did. Tough call. But like I said, A-rod is rolling over his record pretty soon. A lot of people forget Ken Griffey is not far behind either.

Never happen..
A-Rod is sumthin like 300 dingers behind Bonds and as much as I like Griffey, at his current rate it would take him 20 more years of cripple-ball to catch up..

Griffey, no way. He is 37 and still needs more then 180 to break it. Maybe if he went on the juice?

A Rod is getting up there too. 32 and would need almost 36 a season for the next 8 seasons to break it.

What is funny is no one really cares anymore. Not even Giants fans.

What is funny is no one really cares anymore. Not even Giants fans.

Exactly. Now if Griffey would have stayed healthy and productive for the past 5 or 6 years, breaking Aaron's record would be a whole different story..

You do realize Barry is 42 right. If A-rod plays until he is 42. He would simply need 25 hr a season. Which even Biggio can do and he's like 41 and doesn't have nearly A-Rod's power. This record is going to be snuffed out. The numbers add up. Players go into the 40's now. And I expect A-rod will get 40-50 hr's for the next few seasons. Which makes it even easier. There is no sign of decline.

11 seasons at 25 hr = 275 hrs + 475 hrs = 750 hrs.

That is not only doable, it's almost a forgone conclusion.

As for Griffey, he is averaging about 30 hr's a season now even with all his injuries. If he makes it to 42 at that pace, he would have a little over 700 hrs. That's pretty damn close to the record. He'd be almost where Barry is now and doing it at a very reasonable pace. All he would have to do is push himself like Barry is doing to get the record.

You do realize Barry is 42 right. If A-rod plays until he is 42. He would simply need 25 hr a season. Which even Biggio can do and he's like 41 and doesn't have nearly A-Rod's power. This record is going to be snuffed out. The numbers add up. Players go into the 40's now. And I expect A-rod will get 40-50 hr's for the next few seasons. Which makes it even easier. There is no sign of decline.

11 seasons at 25 hr = 275 hrs + 475 hrs = 750 hrs.

That is not only doable, it's almost a forgone conclusion.

You do realize that the 25 HRs were hit when Biggio was 39 and it was the only time in his career that he hit 25 or more. Not a very good example. Barry has extended his career way past what it should have been in an attempt to break the record. Biggio hit 21 last season at 40 and typically at 40+ the HR totals drop dramatically.

You do realize Barry is 42 right. If A-rod plays until he is 42. He would simply need 25 hr a season. Which even Biggio can do and he's like 41 and doesn't have nearly A-Rod's power. This record is going to be snuffed out. The numbers add up. Players go into the 40's now. And I expect A-rod will get 40-50 hr's for the next few seasons. Which makes it even easier. There is no sign of decline.

11 seasons at 25 hr = 275 hrs + 475 hrs = 750 hrs.

That is not only doable, it's almost a forgone conclusion.

Forgone conclusion??? I think the only forgone conclusion here is that somebody put something in your drink... Maybe 5% at best of players playing into their 40's.
A-Rod is a great player yes and it's a mathematical possibilty but the odds are way way against it.

I think A-Rod will eventually break the record. It might not be a foregone conclusion, but if he can stay healthy I see no reason why he wont break the record.

All I know is Hank Aaron sounds like a grouchy old coot.

Finally someone agrees with me.

Arron is an a-hole for saying hes not going to be there when or if Bonds does break the record

The interesting thing is that Hank Aaron, of all people, ought to be able to relate to Barry Bonds. When anyone approaches a historic record like this there is usually some kind of backlash as they approach. Are they worthy? Do they deserve it? And nobody experienced this more than Hank Aaron for he was chasing a legend. So I do find this interesting. I would think Aaron could understand Barry. And he seems to agree that Barry is legitimate until found guilty. So it's odd. He may very well just not want to travel. It's the type of thing that there will be so much pressure that it may take longer than expected. So I can understand that as well. Aaron is a pretty old dude with limited means.

I was kinda thinking something about maybe how the fans might hate him if he congradulats Bonds when he breaks the record and shakes his hand and all that. And maybe he dosent want that to happen so he just said no.

Bonds is a good player but wouldn't be close to Aaron's record were it not for cheating. I can completely understand why Aaron wants nothing to do with Bonds.

Aaron often had his life threatened as he approached the record. No one wanted him to break it. Not because he cheated but because of the color of his skin. The man dealt with it and still excelled. True courage Bonds will never have.

Bonds is a hall of famer even without the cheating.

But I mean you cant even call it cheating because he has never been tested positive for roids. You can definitly see that he did do something which was probably roids but I mean if he cheats why dont they suspend him and arrest him and kick him out of the MLB and erase all his stats?

People say roids this roids that HGH this HGH that. If they know so much about what he did then why isent Bonds out of the MLB?

Its just like Pacman with the Vegas incident. Yeah you got your so called witnesses saying he caused a triple shooting but why isent he in jail?

How long have people been saying Bonds was on the juice? Its been a few years now but isent it funny that right when he gets close to the "sacred" records everyone and their brother just lashes out on him hating him , accusing him of taking all this crap that they have absolutly no proof of.

So what if the guy got bigger. If you eat alot you get fat right? The guy coulda worked out and got big. Yeah your saying now im just talking stupid , but whats the diffrence of me saying he got big by working out and you saying he got big by using roids and HGH? We have no proof of either of the 2.

And untill the man , rather.. if the man ever gets tested positive , then the fan backlash should be in full effect.

Bonds has been around a heck of a long time , is he just there to break the record? Sure he is but come on who wouldnt break the biggest record in sports?

To me Hank Aaron is just mad because someone better then him is going to break his record. Im going to be watching it and if im the only one in my house happy about it then whatever.

All I have to say is this.

500 homeruns 500 steals

Thats what mkes Barry Bonds by far the best baseball player of all time.

NO ONE. Will ever touch that record. Ever. Period

But I mean you cant even call it cheating because he has never been tested positive for roids.
Right. Objects orbiting his massive head wasn't a sign he was on the juice. :rolleyes:

Just because MLB didn't have the nads to rules out a drug which was illegal in the US doesn't mean he wasn't cheating.

To me Hank Aaron is just mad because someone better then him is going to break his record.
Better?

Aaron still holds the RBI record, extra base hits, total bases, and most consecutive seasons with 150 hits. He appeared in 24 All-Star games. He has three Gold Gloves. He's third on the list in hits and runs. He had a career .305 BA.

Bonds is a good player but wouldn't be close to Aaron's record were it not for cheating. I can completely understand why Aaron wants nothing to do with Bonds.



Bonds is easily the best player of his generation, and arguably in the top 5-10 greatest players ever, and that is before the roids came into play. It is kind of sad that he will now basically just be remembered as a cheater, and not a great player. But, he made his bed, so I dont have sympathy for him, and can understand why Aaron and others dont either.

Right. Objects orbiting his massive head wasn't a sign he was on the juice. :rolleyes:

Yet he is still in a uniform making people like you mad.

And the funny thing is he is going to break the record , people cant do a darn thing about it , and he will be in the HOF 1st or 2nd ballot.

At first when I heard about all this steriod talk about him im not going to lie I was dissapointed and diddnt like it at all cuz the player I pretty much grew up watching got accused of using all this stuff to bulk up and hit more homers. And as time went on the fan backlash twords him got to be absolutly redicious to the point where fans would call him and say there going to kill him , and calling him the N word and all this crap. Then people have the odasidy to call Barry a "mean" person.

Lets have tens of thousands of people call you a day saying there going to shoot you in the head with a shotgun and see how you handle it.

Now I cant wait for the day when he hits 755 and 756 because its fun to listen to people cry and moan about he cheated.

And its absolutly hilarious that all these players are getting caught using roids or admitting they used them and Bonds is still on the filed doing what he does. The guy most people talk about using roids hasent been tested positive 1 time. :ha:


I dont know why they just dont give up and say hey you know what were done. But no. They continue to try and force the dude out of the MLB.

Bonds may seem like an arse but hes not , and one day people will love him again.

Bonds is a great player being unfairly hated for something he has never tested positive for. A lot of people fail to realize you still have to HIT the ball even if he was on roids.

Bonds is one of the all-time great baseball players, and I am glad to have had watched him play in person before. The greatest player ever IMO was Pete Rose, but that deserves another thread.

Aaron should be allowed to do whatever he wants. If he wants to be there, great. If he doesn't, who cares. If it was my record and was being broken, I would be really upset....maybe Hank is like me in that respect. He did so much for the league and baseball, throwing him under the bus for not being there is just immature and disrespectful. After accomplishing all that he did, he should be allowed to do as little or as much as he wants with the record.

Bonds trouble was never hitting the ball, he has a career BA of over .300. The problem is that allot of the balls that he hit would have ended up in the park and not gone for HRs.

Bonds is a good player but wouldn't be close to Aaron's record were it not for cheating. I can completely understand why Aaron wants nothing to do with Bonds.

Aaron often had his life threatened as he approached the record. No one wanted him to break it. Not because he cheated but because of the color of his skin. The man dealt with it and still excelled. True courage Bonds will never have.

But Bonds cried in his interview...

Bonds is a very emotinal guy

dosent show it alot tho

btw Bonds just homered a couple of minutes ago. 2 so far this year.

Aaron must not be sleeping these days knowing his record is going down

Bonds hits another.

2 today against the Pirates.

I like him alot, and Ill continue to support him until he is proven to use performance enhancing drugs

I like him alot, and Ill continue to support him until he is proven to use performance enhancing drugs

Did you read Game of Shadows?

People can't be serious thinking Bonds didn't Roid-up.. and I guess OJ isn't a killer and the holocaust never happened either..
Bonds the best player of all-time? He'll never get my vote. 4256 hits and "hustle" get's Pete Rose my vote - he won the series, stole home, played on one of the greatest teams ever. That was baseball..

pete rose's whole career is a question mark. But even worse, we don't know who else he influenced. The evidence is there that he bet on the game. The real question is how far did it go. And until he tells the truth, we may never know. That is the scary part. It would be easy to get hits off a pitcher who was throwing the game to pay you off.

pete rose's whole career is a question mark. But even worse, we don't know who else he influenced. The evidence is there that he bet on the game. The real question is how far did it go. And until he tells the truth, we may never know. That is the scary part. It would be easy to get hits off a pitcher who was throwing the game to pay you off.


His playing career isnt a question mark, only his managing career.

His playing career isnt a question mark, only his managing career.
This is correct. For this reason, he should be allowed into the hall as a player. He holds so many records its ridiculous.

Seems unlikely to me that an addicted gambler (And he is addicted if he risked his livelihood to gamble) only bet as a manager, and not as a player. I think the odds greatly favor that his playing career involved gambling.

Bonds doesnt deserve to be in the mlb anymore, if pacman gets 1 year for conduct detrimental to the team, why shouldnt bonds get any sort of suspension for using steroids to get 730 homeruns... just one more reason for me to hate the way the mlb is run, the commish is a retard, the system stinks (no salary cap) and when someone comes in the league 6'0, 180 and is finishing his carreer 6'2 230, somethings up, everyone knows he took steroids, he knows it, its not even the fact that he took it, if he wants that record, he should man up and at least say he had to cheat to achieve it. I cant see how anyone could be supporting him, hes gone against everything in sportsmanship, cheated, and lied. Hes a modern day devil of baseball.

Here are my thoughts on Bonds:

1. He has never tested positive. (Somebody correct me if has had a positive test)
2. He CONTINUES to ring up homers even under marked scrutiny. (Unlike Sosa, McGuire, Canseco, Giambi etc)
3. Who knows that Aaron didn't use some type of performance enhancing substance during his day?
4. He has a defiant attitude similar to Pac's, thus draws a lot of negative attention.

In sum, even if he does treat others poorly, you can't discredit his accomplishments any more than you can fairly give undue credit to those personalities you like. How else can the guy prove you wrong?

If he breaks the record, there is no way he deserves an asterisk. (What would you put by the asterisk anyway?)

*mammoth-headed cheater.

*mammoth-headed cheater.

:ha:

Who cares if he cheated. Guess what. Hes still in a uniform and hes still hitting homers. And guess what. There aint a DANNNNNNNG thing you can do about it.

If he breaks the record, there is no way he deserves an asterisk. (What would you put by the asterisk anyway?)
The only reason they could possibly have a need to put an asterisk is if he tests positive for steroids after breaking the record, but if that happens they'll probably just pull the record

Who cares if he cheated. Guess what. Hes still in a uniform and hes still hitting homers. And guess what. There aint a DANNNNNNNG thing you can do about it.


i cant see how he would want the record if he didnt deserve it, i doubt he even gets it...

The thinking of someone like Barry is that he wasn't cheating. That's how they approach it. And it's not wrong to think that, because he has plenty of reasons to think that. Baseball didn't care. That was a reality. But what he's failing to recognize are two things. A) everyone knowing and telling him it's wrong and B) it was unethical given that consensus.

That failure to listen was his ultimate downfall.

But that's where all criminals go wrong. Most of what they do can be rationalized. It can make perfect sense. It can be perfectly legal. There's some twisted logic to every crime, but what the criminal fails to understand ultimately, and above all, is that if everyone is telling you not to do it, don't do it, because it's unethical, and you may face those consequences. Criminals never realize the consequences. You don't even need a conscious anymore to make the right and wrong decision, you simly need to listen to what people are telling you. It's almost that easy. But you have to open your mind beyond your perception. Barry Bonds perception was that everyone around him was doing it, so it's gotta be ok, but you have to open your mind to a larger picture than that.

For how old Bonds is.. Hes still destroying these balls. 42 years old.. and still knocking these little balls out of the park like hes 25 years old again.

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He hit another one a few minutes ago. I shall be posting that one later.

I would say there are three people now who hit the ball like that. As if they are just gods amongst men.

Pujols
Arod
Bonds

That's it. All three are electrifying on the ball.

I can only think of two others who just olbiterated the ball like that, and they include McGwire and Canseco. I'm not trying to say anything. I'm just saying.

I can only think of two others who just olbiterated the ball like that, and they include McGwire and Canseco.

No Sosa? Did you see those home run derby shots he used to hit? Well, those were probably a direct result of his corked bats.

His latest Homer.. absolutly destroyed

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=2024186989

This was my favorite homer from Bonds last season.

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=2024432176

Who cares about Bonds, Arod is going to beat whatever records he can imagine. And he will do it with no astericks.

lol A Rod...

hed have to play till hes 40 and average about 25 a season.

Highly unlikely

Bonds is comming back next season also...

He aint going no where

He'll have 800 by this time next season.

Bonds is a fraud & everybody knows it.

Bonds is a fraud & everybody knows it.:lol: You're crazy, that's why nobody pitches to him? 15 games 11 walks already. He averages 137 walks a year for 21 years, because no one wants to throw him the ball and watch it fly out of the park. No one since Babe Ruth has been walked near as much, because they're such a feared hitter.

Just as an example:
ARod has 1423 strikeouts and 827 walks 13 years
Bonds has 1492 strikeouts and 2437 walks 21 years

Huge difference. Bonds never gets pitches to swing at. One day they might stop pitching to ARod also.

lol A Rod...

hed have to play till hes 40 and average about 25 a season.

Highly unlikely

Bonds is comming back next season also...

He aint going no where

He'll have 800 by this time next season.

Why in the world do you think he cant average 25 homers a year until the age of 40? Since 98 he has had 40 or more homers in every year but two, which he had 35 and 36 (I believe). He is having what can easily be talked about as the best April ever. Im sorry to tell ya, but there is no reason in the world he cant average 25 homers a year for 9 more seasons. Especially when you have to consider he can average at least 40-50 for another 5-6 years.

Bonds is comming back next season also...

He aint going no where

He'll have 800 by this time next season.

I don't think he's coming back. After he breaks the record, I think the Giants (and baseball) washes their hands of him.

Hes already said hes commin back. Well.. he "expects" to come back

Hes already said hes commin back. Well.. he "expects" to come back

He's gotta have a contract first. You really think the Giants want anything to do with him after he breaks the record?

Um why wouldnt we?

Hes 41 years old and is 2nd in NL homerun leaders.

Of course we want him back

A-Rod and Pujols arent cheaters tho

and A-Rod could be on pace to crush the single season record and the all-time record...no roids in him..

A-Rod and Pujols arent cheaters tho

See. This is what makes me mad. You have absolutly NO proof that A Rod and Pujols did not use roids. They could be using them...

Same with Bonds. You call him a cheater just like everyone else.. but hes never been tested positive! Hes not a cheater. Jesus.


You guys just hate Bonds thats all there is to it.

You act like Bonds is the biggest cheater in the world but you dont say anyone else is cheating.

"Pujols and A Rod dont arent cheaters tho"

PSH

Same with Bonds. You call him a cheater just like everyone else.. but hes never been tested positive! Hes not a cheater. Jesus.


So... are you just blatantly ignoring "Game of Shadows"?

Hmm.. answer me this question.

What happened to the guys who wrote that book?

Hmm.. answer me this question.

What happened to the guys who wrote that book?

They exposed Barry Bonds as a fraud?

See. This is what makes me mad. You have absolutly NO proof that A Rod and Pujols did not use roids. They could be using them...

Same with Bonds. You call him a cheater just like everyone else.. but hes never been tested positive! Hes not a cheater. Jesus.


You guys just hate Bonds thats all there is to it.

You act like Bonds is the biggest cheater in the world but you dont say anyone else is cheating.

"Pujols and A Rod dont arent cheaters tho"

PSH


There is no evidence Pujols and A-Rod have cheated. They have both been conistent players their entire careers, with consistent power #s. Obviously, they could have cheated, but since they havent been a part of any investigations, their physical appearance hasnt dramatically changed, and their #s have always been at about the same level they are now, how can you possibly try and turn it around that they "might" have cheated too?

With Bonds it is obvious, and you are blind if you dont see it. He has only hit over 50 HRs once, and that was when he hit 73 at the age of 36. Are you honestly telling me that you think it was all natural that a guy hits 24 more HRs than his previous career high, at the age of 36? And are you telling me it is all natural that his head has swollen up to twice the size it was? There is no question others have cheated, but please dont sit here and try to convince us Bonds is clean, that is just being naive.

http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u13/BlazingArrow24/Bonds744edit.jpg

Where were you?

18th row just off of home plate.

Schilling just made an donkey of himself. He didn'tsay anything that was true. And they were all low blows.

Plain & simple Bonds is a cheater who used steriods. I hope no one important shows up for the day he breaks the homerun record. What an embarassment to baseball.

Well, you know Willie Mays is going to show up, so I guess that's one.

anddd there goes 745! BARRY BARRY BARRY!

Im so pumped. I cant wait. 10 more!!!!!!

The Bonds hate just adds fuel to his bat. Keep jackin em Barry. Screw the haters.

*Massive-headed cheater.

Even if you eliminate the HRs in the alleged roid years. He is still a multi year MVP, with an average just below .300, and he would still have 500 HR/500 SBs. Plus a boat load of golden gloves. Those are still HOF numbers.

Schilling is a bloody socked goon!

*Massive-headed cheater.

:ha:

http://www.actusa.com/images/asterisk.gif

If Marris got an asterisk do Bonds, McGuire and Sosa get two?

of course.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vIL6M0B97A

No Barry Dont Break The Record!!!

So Barry's cheated? At least thats whats been blasted into us by sports media, who by the way as never been a fan of Mr. Bonds. It seems strange to me that men and women who's profession it is to report on sports news would go to such great lengths to destroy the legendary career of just one guy. I mean did Big Mac get soaked for his supposed use? Sammy's back and the media darling he was before, except he corked a bat didn't he? and thats an actual rule breaker. So I've rolled it over in my mind and come to the conclusion that something other than steroids has to be up for so many people to be down on Barry Bonds. But what? We can't sit back and say he took steroids so he cheated because so did 80 something % of baseball, that would be profiling, and last time I checked thats illegal too. So how did Barry cheat if it doesn't involve steroids that were not illegal when he used them? I mean, sure he cheated us out of a larger than life super star like the Babe but seriously...

Friend wrote that

answering your first question

so barry cheated?

yes

Because you have no answer to the rest of the 100% completely right paragraph.

If you don't think Bonds & a whole lot of other players used steriods, then your in denial. Baseball is an embarassment due to this idiot players. Selig makes it even worse by hardly doing anything about it too.

Thats pretty much sums it up what you said. "a whole lot of other players"

ok why dont I hear thoes players on the news? Why is it Bonds Bonds Bonds Bonds Bonds Bonds?

Exactly. Its because hes near the record and people just hate him because everyone else does. Oh so you listen to sports experts on Espn and crap say hes on steroids. Ok would you listen to Merill Hoge? Exactly. Let the dude play. This is the steroid era. People need to realize nothing can and will happen to these players.

Because you have no answer to the rest of the 100% completely right paragraph.

no its just barry bonds isnt worth reading a paragraph about him. id rather talk about him coming into the league at 191 lbs, and now hes 285 lbs.
and now that he cheats, is his
weiner really small?? <-----question for ryanstitans

is his weiner really small?? <-----question for ryanstitans

Come on man :suspect:

That was dumb and its not your penis that shrinks its your testicles.

Don't warn me cuz thats the correct and non swearing way to say those words.

i support the "no warning for ryanstitans when he says penis" clause.......

but dont warn me either for wiener or penis....

As soon as someone has evidence and can prove he cheated, Ill stop rooting for him, but last I checked for the past 4 years, while everyone hates on him, no one has proven it

I find it ironic that the HOF is concerned he won't give them any bats or balls. And they are part of the group who may blackball him. If I were Barry, I wouldn't give them anything either. Everybody in mlb has turned their back on him, and then they crucify him for not donating his collectibles. lol. They want it both ways. I don't know if he did it or not, or for how long and when, but if I'm Barry, I stick it to mlb too.

As soon as someone has evidence and can prove he cheated, Ill stop rooting for him, but last I checked for the past 4 years, while everyone hates on him, no one has proven it

hes failed like 3 tests, he admited to taking it but not knowing what it was, he came into the league wearing size 12 shoes, now he wears 16, thats enough evidence for me...

*Massive-headed Cheater.

So Barry's cheated? At least thats whats been blasted into us by sports media, who by the way as never been a fan of Mr. Bonds. It seems strange to me that men and women who's profession it is to report on sports news would go to such great lengths to destroy the legendary career of just one guy. I mean did Big Mac get soaked for his supposed use? Sammy's back and the media darling he was before, except he corked a bat didn't he?


McGwire was kept out of the HOF on the first ballot despite easily having HOF #s. When he retired he had the great HR to at-bat ratio in baseball history at 1 HR ever 10.61 at bats. Based on that #, you can easily argue him the greatest power hitter ever, and he was left out of the HOF. So to answer your question yes, both Sosa and Mcgwire have been drug through the mud because of this. Obviously, Bonds is about to break the record, so more attention is focused on him. But if you dont think the media has gone after other players then you just obviously havent been paying attention.

ture that^^

*Massive-headed Cheater.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWVMPtDulqc

3:00 mark.

i dont get it^^

Shock me rotten.

:irked: *CHEATER

* Still playing baseball making all of you mad while he laughs it up waiting for his day when he passes Aaron

Shock me rotten.
:ha:

America has made you bitter :brow:

* Still playing baseball making all of you mad while he laughs it up waiting for his day when he passes Aaron


right now hes in a majoor slump so im laughing it up while he is mad, and still waiting for the day he passes aaron....

the guy people should be giving there attention to is (my favorite player all time) Ken Griffy Jr.

closing in on 600 HR's, never been accused of Cheating, and is about to pass McGuire who retired because of cheating.....Bonds is a joke.

The upcoming HOF'ers are few and far between

2009 R. Henderson - definite, if he has retired, has he?
2010 Robert Alomar - Pretty much in.
2011 Bagwell - borderline, but with nobody else on the ballot, he's in.

Coming soon.
Definite:
Clemens - Gods gift to pitching. cy youngs
R. Johnson - The Numbers make him a lock
Griffey Jr. - Should have syed in Seattle, but still has some luster. Does anybody even talk about him anymore?
Biggio - Like Molitor, nobody realized he was a Hall of Famer until the end, but now everybdy does.
Maddux - Lock. 4 CY in a row.

Questionable:
Bonds
Sosa
F. Thomas - Here's a guy who has all the numbers, but no real hisoric value. The frist DH tho? That makes him worthy. No better DH out there.


I think the lack of HOF'ers makes the steroid users like McGwire ineresting look see's. I would never put them in. But this is going to get interesting.

bonds wont make it, sosa may, dont even know who F. thomas is...

Let me introduce you.

F. Thomas
2 MVP's
495 HR
.303 BA

He's probably he most underrated player trying to get into the Hall next to Fred McGriff.

Are you serious? This guy has no idea who Frank Thomas is?

Frank Robinson yes, Fred McGriff yes, Frank Thomas sounds familiar but im probably thinking of a janitor at my school or something...

Frank Thomas was most known for playing for the White Sox. I think... he plays for the A's now..

not sure....

My first MLB game was the White Sox and Red Sox. Frank hit 2 homers

My first baseball game was the Astros at Montreal. As you can imagine, very little happened.

I think my most famous player watched was Roger Clemens vs. The Nationals. And Cal Ripken vs. the Yankees.

I haven't been too a lot of games tho'.

Bonds hit another tonight in Boston. He becomes the only player in MLB history to hit a homer in every active field. Or so I have been told.

Not the Marlins stadium. Its the only one he hasn't yet.

Frank Thomas was most known for playing for the White Sox. I think... he plays for the A's now..

not sure....

My first MLB game was the White Sox and Red Sox. Frank hit 2 homers

He played for the A's last year. He now plays for the Blue Jays

I think he has 8 or 9 homers this year too. Not too shabby to close out a career.

"There are only five players in history who have both hit more home runs and have a higher career batting average than Thomas (Hank Aaron, Jimmie Foxx, Mel Ott, Babe Ruth, and Ted Williams), which is one statistic alone that is likely to get Thomas elected into the Baseball Hall of Fame."

Sometimes stats are ridiculously constructed, but this one is pretty legit.

This moment in history will be interesting to look back on in about a 100 years. MLB will either be looked on as heroes or fools. And the same for Barry Bonds. It could really go either way, but given American's penchant for fogiveness, and dependency on drugs to enhance life, I've got to believe he will go down in history as one of the greatest. Not a villain. Times change. I perosnally don't like that he did it, but at the same time, I'm not sure I can crucify him for something that baseball let him do and never caught him doing. This is just one screwy situation.

When you look back on drug use too, how strange is that. You were a villian in the 80's for using cocaine and crack. And today, they don't look at you like that at all. They try to cover it up and help you. It is a strange thing. I mean you know players are using, you just never hear about it anymore. I think they just get help and it is done with. But in the 80's, you were villified for it, became an outcast, and wrecked your career.

He played for the A's last year. He now plays for the Blue Jays

Yep I just seen him on SC hitting a homer. Dang these old guns are still killing the ball.

Sosa , Bonds , Thomas , Griffey

dang

guess Thomas is important,

Frank Thomas: Leading DH Home Run Hitter All-Time

im sure Big Poppey (David Ortiz) will crush that record ^^

For all the people ive made sigs for or helped with fonts or showed you how to take videos off youtube and told you about Ulead do this one thing for me. Its really important to me that Bonds gets to play in his last All Star Game in his own ballpark.

http://sanfrancisco.giants.mlb.com/sf/fan_forum/vote_giants.jsp?partnerId=2007hp_clubpromo_sf_vote bonds&affiliateID=2007hp_clubpromo_sf_votebonds#

Ryan, im grateful of what youve done for me and this site, but i cant support someone i feel as a christian, is wrong, moraly and professionaly, hes a cheater, and i dread the days he hits 755 and 756.

How about next season, when lebron is in the balloting i vote for him?

LeBron will always be in the All Star game because its become more of a popularity contest then an actual vote.

Bonds is SO CLOSE to being in and just needs a little more votes.

he shouldnt make it, because the only places he is popular at are San Fran, and Steroid shops around the bay area....

Dude seriously. Everyone needs to just stop with the roids crap. When and only when he gets tested positive for juicing I will continue to support him. Im not going to accuse someone of something when they have never been caught.

You got players out there like Giambi and Sheffield who actually took roids yet the main focus is still on Bonds.

I dont know how you think but Bonds is up there in age and he is still killing the ball. Now can steriods make you play with a bad knee and make contact with a small coming at you at gods knows how fast? No. The guy is awesome. He was a hall of famer before the "suspected" roid use and hes a hall of famer now.

He deserves to play his final all star game in his own home ballpark.

And if you guys just wanna sit there and follow along with the rest of the world and call him a cheater and crap then thats on you. Why dont you go play baseball untill your in your 40's.

God I cant stand when people just attack him like that. Give the dude a break. He goes through death threats , gets booed when he steps up the bat , gets people calling him on the phone at his house calling him raciest garbage... Hes still a human being.

Point blank he should be in the All Star game. And at this current point he is 3rd or 4th among outfielders so he is in so far but I really want him to start.

woa woa woa, lets get something straight.

You got players out there like Giambi and Sheffield who actually took roids yet the main focus is still on Bonds.

your honestly gonna get on your computer and type this nonsense??? Giambi and Sheffield sure have taken steroids, but there not hitting 700 homers at age 41 or whatever, and how do you explain this.

http://www.newsday.com/media/photo/2006-03/22327462.jpg
http://www.sfgate.com/c/pictures/2004/12/03/mn_bonds_001_cag.jpg
I dont know how you think but Bonds is up there in age and he is still killing the ball.

is this even a serious question??? one word..............ROIDS!!!!!!!!
STEROIDS!!!!!! HE IS A CHEATER THATS HOW HE IS 40 AND STILL KILLING THE BAT!!!

Now can steriods make you play with a bad knee and make contact with a small coming at you at gods knows how fast?

yes.

He was a hall of famer before the "suspected" roid use and hes a hall of famer now.

no hes not a hall of famer, not according to those two pictures above.

He deserves to play his final all star game in his own home ballpark.

he deserves to go to SF's Stadium, stand on the Mound, with a microphone, and admit to all of San Fran he is a "Mammoth Headed Cheater" as TJ would say, and have everyone laugh and throw needles at him.

Why dont you go play baseball untill your in your 40's.

i dont use performance enhancing drugs, and i never will.

God I cant stand when people just attack him like that. Give the dude a break. He goes through death threats , gets booed when he steps up the bat , gets people calling him on the phone at his house calling him raciest garbage... Hes still a human being.

maybe he doesnt deserve half that stuff, but he shouldnt have cheated, and stop trying to act like he didnt get 3x bigger when he entered the league to now.

OK and Sosa and Mcgwier just magicly gained 100 pounds of muscle during there career but oh wait the main focus is still on Barry.

Let me tell you something that everyone needs to understand.

This is considered to be the "steriod era"

No one knows who and who didn't use at one point in their career. How many pitchers did Bonds go up against that were juiced?

You just cant tell and will never find out. Why focus on one player and one player alone when you got all these other guys admitting they used?

And if Bonds used steriods why is he so much better then everyone else who used? Why does he constantly destroy the ball? Why is he not in a race with some other guy?

Because he is an all around great player. Roids or no roids he is a hall of famer regardless of what anyone wants to say about him. Facts are facts.

People simply do not like Bonds because everyone else in the world has found it cool to hate him and boo him.

Bonds sells tickets , he hits homeruns , he makes people boo and cheer and laugh and cry .. he is a great player. Dont ever say he isn't either.

Now let me ask you a question. If I was your teammate and we played for uhhh lets say the Nationals.. and you were slowly declining in your power and you mostly going to be used as a backup.. and I came too you and said hey I just got this awesome new substance and I think it can make us both perform better. Would you take it?

Dont say no because its too hard not to say no. If you could take something to enhance your game without being caught of course your going to freaking use it.

DO you know how many players right now are probably juicing?

Out of 100% it would have to be around 30 or 40% maybe even higher.

People need to stop focusing on Bonds unless somehow he gets caught , he admits to using something or any other scenario that involves him being caught.

And im sorry to say for the Bonds haters it just wont ever happen.

Bonds is going to break the record and hes going to leave the game the better man because he played through the pain he played through the boos and he played through the hate.

Legend.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vIL6M0B97A

OK and Sosa and Mcgwier just magicly gained 100 pounds of muscle during there career but oh wait the main focus is still on Barry.

Let me tell you something that everyone needs to understand.

This is considered to be the "steriod era"

No one knows who and who didn't use at one point in their career. How many pitchers did Bonds go up against that were juiced?

You just cant tell and will never find out. Why focus on one player and one player alone when you got all these other guys admitting they used?

And if Bonds used steriods why is he so much better then everyone else who used? Why does he constantly destroy the ball? Why is he not in a race with some other guy?

Because he is an all around great player. Roids or no roids he is a hall of famer regardless of what anyone wants to say about him. Facts are facts.

People simply do not like Bonds because everyone else in the world has found it cool to hate him and boo him.

Bonds sells tickets , he hits homeruns , he makes people boo and cheer and laugh and cry .. he is a great player. Dont ever say he isn't either.

Now let me ask you a question. If I was your teammate and we played for uhhh lets say the Nationals.. and you were slowly declining in your power and you mostly going to be used as a backup.. and I came too you and said hey I just got this awesome new substance and I think it can make us both perform better. Would you take it?

Dont say no because its too hard not to say no. If you could take something to enhance your game without being caught of course your going to freaking use it.

DO you know how many players right now are probably juicing?

Out of 100% it would have to be around 30 or 40% maybe even higher.

People need to stop focusing on Bonds unless somehow he gets caught , he admits to using something or any other scenario that involves him being caught.

And im sorry to say for the Bonds haters it just wont ever happen.

Bonds is going to break the record and hes going to leave the game the better man because he played through the pain he played through the boos and he played through the hate.

Legend.


McGwire hasnt played in several years and currently Bonds is going for the all time HR record. Now honestly, why would the attention be on McGwire and Sosa at this point? Though Sosa did get quite a bit of attention when he hit #600.


And didnt Bonds already admit to taking, but then trying to justify it by saying he didnt know what it was?

He said he took a substance unknowingly. It was a creme.

But seriously man dont I have a point? Why harp on the man day in and day out. If fans are so confident he is still juicing then just wait till he gets caught. Dont look up the mans number and call him names and threaten his life.

That is absolutely sick and wrong. Its ok to boo and cheer and stuff like that because thats what sports is about. But the treatment he gets is beyond sickning.

He said he took a substance unknowingly. It was a creme.

But seriously man dont I have a point? Why harp on the man day in and day out. If fans are so confident he is still juicing then just wait till he gets caught. Dont look up the mans number and call him names and threaten his life.

That is absolutely sick and wrong. Its ok to boo and cheer and stuff like that because thats what sports is about. But the treatment he gets is beyond sickning.

I dont think any reasonable person would think it is justifiable to threaten him by any means. So yes, on that point you are certainly right.

And if you honestly think he took a substance not knowing what it was, then I have ocean front property in Kansas you might be interested in.

"He said he took a substance unknowingly."

I never said I believed it. Look. I know he did something. Its obvious.. but hes innocent until prooven guilty

i must be missing something, first you say he took something and you know he took something, next your saying he is innocent??? i think the 5 inch change in his head size is evidence enough, if he breaks the record, no one will care, maybe all the baseball fans in San Fran will, maybe ryanstitans will, but thats like what? 2% of america???? its not even the steroids that make Bonds so unlikeable, its his attitude, he is a crappy person, with a horrible attitude, i dont agree with the death threats, no person deserves to die for something that didnt harm anyone, but every chance anybody gets to boo him, should take it. Commish shouldnt have a celebration, but i dont think McGuire shoulda got one either, or sosa, and the hole reason no body is focused on Sosa or McGuire is because THEY ARENT HITTING THERE 749th HOMER IN THE MLB ANY TIME FRIGGIN SOON!!!!

what kinda proffesional athlete lets some guy just give him a creme, he has no idea what it is and keeps on taking it, yea im sure he was like "Well, Last month i took this creme and i gained 40 lbs and hit 20 homers, i think ill take it again, no need to check if its harming me or against the league rules.."

an idiot, thats the answer.

what kinda proffesional athlete lets some guy just give him a creme, he has no idea what it is and keeps on taking it, yea im sure he was like "Well, Last month i took this creme and i gained 40 lbs and hit 20 homers, i think ill take it again, no need to check if its harming me or against the league rules.."

an idiot, thats the answer.

He didn't. He's lying. Barry Bonds is not the type of person that just recklessly puts substances in his body. He knew exactly what he was getting himself into. Even though he says that he hates all of the attention that he gets, he would be begging for it if it wasn't happening. He got jealous of the attention that McGwire and Sosa got for the home run chase in 1998, so he decided to take steroids. How in the hell else do you explain him gaining 30 some odd pounds of muscle in ONE offseason?

i must be missing something, first you say he took something and you know he took something, next your saying he is innocent??? i think the 5 inch change in his head size is evidence enough, if he breaks the record, no one will care, maybe all the baseball fans in San Fran will, maybe ryanstitans will, but thats like what? 2% of america???? its not even the steroids that make Bonds so unlikeable, its his attitude, he is a crappy person, with a horrible attitude, i dont agree with the death threats, no person deserves to die for something that didnt harm anyone, but every chance anybody gets to boo him, should take it. Commish shouldnt have a celebration, but i dont think McGuire shoulda got one either, or sosa, and the hole reason no body is focused on Sosa or McGuire is because THEY ARENT HITTING THERE 749th HOMER IN THE MLB ANY TIME FRIGGIN SOON!!!!

See you just proved my point. Thank you. People hate Bonds because he is getting closer and closer to the record. Bonds has a ****ty attitude because hes been questioned by the media god knows how many times he does the smart thing and ignores them. Screw what people have to say Barry Bonds is simply the best baseball player ever. You should be honered to of watched him at least 1 time on TV (if you ever watched a Giants game)

Weather or not you like him or hate him he is the best and everyone is going to want to witness history. And im sorry to say it. People will finally realize the hate needs to end and Bonds will be cheered for the accomplishment. And the people who will feel like jackasses are Hank Aaron and Commish.

Willie Mayes will be there. Thats all that matters. Bonds gets to hug his godfather point his fingers up to the sky say he loves his dad and hug his son while eating up all the boos he may get and just laugh. I seriously believe he will be cheered tho. Youll see.

Bonds is the best dam baseball player I ever seen in my life.

And go ahead and leave your dumb pointless "Massive Headed Cheater" comments. I simply dont care anymore. Ill be going nuts when he hits the homerun to break the record.

Bonds has a ****ty attitude because hes been questioned by the media god knows how many times he does the smart thing and ignores them.

Bonds has always had a crappy attitude. It has nothing to do with being questioned by the media, and everything to do with the fact that he came into this world with a silver spoon in his mouth. Think about it, his father is Bobby Bonds and his godfather is Willie Mays, and all of that fame went to his head. Read stuff about him, he was a ***** all the way before he was at Arizona State.

Eh. I put **** on my body I don't know much about. I put ben gay on my body once and I don't know crap about it. Still don't. I think it happens all the time. The illusion that people don't put stuff in their body, or on their body, that they don't know about is a media campaign to nail him. I'm just saying, even for athletes, it happens all the time. Does anyone know what is in their shampoo, or soap, or deoderant? Nope. Even if you read the label most people have no clue. Hell, Lendale probably has no idea what the hell he's ingesting half the time too. I just think that is the biggest load of media crap ever. We trust the Federal goverment to regulate our products, yet they have no idea what is wrong with them until they have evidence to suggest something is wrong. It's highly probably that any amd every athelete puts stuff on his body and in his body he has no idea about. People smoked tobacco for years, no clue. None whatsoever.

I'm not even a Bond's supporter, but his story is plausible. Anyone should know it is. They just want a story. And they are lying to themselves if they think otherwise.

Eh. I put **** on my body I don't know much about. I put ben gay on my body once and I don't know crap about it. Still don't. I think it happens all the time. The illusion that people don't put stuff in their body, or on their body, that they don't know about is a media campaign to nail him. I'm just saying, even for athletes, it happens all the time. Does anyone know what is in their shampoo, or soap, or deoderant? Nope. Even if you read the label most people have no clue. Hell, Lendale probably has no idea what the hell he's ingesting half the time too. I just think that is the biggest load of media crap ever. We trust the Federal goverment to regulate our products, yet they have no idea what is wrong with them until they have evidence to suggest something is wrong. It's highly probably that any amd every athelete puts stuff on his body and in his body he has no idea about. People smoked tobacco for years, no clue. None whatsoever.

I'm not even a Bond's supporter, but his story is plausible. Anyone should know it is. They just want a story. And they are lying to themselves if they think otherwise.

your post was so farfetched its not even funny, sure average every day people might not know whats in there shampoos and what not, but when your making Millions of Dollars, your going to hire people to make sure what you put in your body isnt going to hurt you or your performance in whatever you do. everything you eat and drink is going to be monitored by someone or something. when you play for a MLB, NFL, NBA, NHL, or NASCAR team, you cant just run into some random guy on the street, say "Hey, whats that you got there? a creme? and it will make my skin look 10x better, sounds like a deal, $500!?!??!? dont you think thats a little overpriced, just to make my skin more clear??? o well, not like i cant afford it."

Isn't that how gatorade started? Happens all the time.

Bonds hits one tonight. 6 shy. Come on Barry dont make me wait any longer

Isn't that how gatorade started? Happens all the time.

gatorade was first taken by college athletes and was approved to them by there teams trainers and staff.

Not quite. The product was used on the freshman football players as guinea pigs. It was then used on the varisty team because it didn't kill anyone. It didn't even have a name. Eventually it was approved many years later and used by the NFL. But not before a few lawsuits.

Sure. the coaches approved it, why the hell not, they approved of steroids too, which is the whole point. They don't know what they are doing. They put stuff in their bodies without thinking twice about it. As long as it has the appearance of helping the team, but they often have no idea what it is, but more importantly, neither do the players.

I'm not saying I believe Barry Bonds, I'm saying it's plausible, because we do it everyday of our lives.

coaches never approved of steroids, and lets see some proof about this freshman team and varsity team guinea pig stuff...

And another ....

Going to tonights game.

I read an espn article where scientists took factors of a hitter with and without roids, based it on every feature of a hitter, including teh ones needed to hit hrs, factored in steriods, looked at how far barry hit each hr, subtracted the hr distance from the distance that would be added by roids, and they came out to show only about 30-50 of barrys hrs wouldnt have made it out IF it becomes true that he did do roids

An unadded factor was his arm,l which hes had significant problems with, can only wonder what he could have gotten to w.o that problem


He was, and imo still is a HOFer even b4 the allegations and the hr chase

He was, and imo still is a HOFer even b4 the allegations and the hr chase

There's no doubt about that. People that say that Bonds wasn't a hall of famer before he took steroids and that he isn't a hall of famer now are just ignorant. He still would have been the ONLY person in baseball history with 500 home runs and 500 stolen bases without the roids. That gets you in the hall of fame any day of the week.

I read an espn article where scientists took factors of a hitter with and without roids, based it on every feature of a hitter, including teh ones needed to hit hrs, factored in steriods, looked at how far barry hit each hr, subtracted the hr distance from the distance that would be added by roids, and they came out to show only about 30-50 of barrys hrs wouldnt have made it out IF it becomes true that he did do roids

An unadded factor was his arm,l which hes had significant problems with, can only wonder what he could have gotten to w.o that problem


He was, and imo still is a HOFer even b4 the allegations and the hr chase

why would barry take roids for 30 homeruns???? if he could do it all by himself, why even take the roids????? show me that article, because when you take steroids, it doesnt just make your muscles big like alota people on this thread think, it also helps you work harder when your body would usually give out, it would incline barry to go the the weight room even more, and the reason he has all these problems with his knees and arm is because of the drugs he puts into his body.

And don't forget recovery speed.

Bonds hit 30/30 his 5th season which was defiantly not a roid year. Two years later he did it agian. And his first year in SF he told a reporter he was going to hit 40/40 that season. Something only Called-Strike-3 had done in the past, and he called it. Bonds hit homers before he was on roids.

oops 40/40 was in 96 but in 93 he took out 40+.

lots of people hit home runs before they are on roids, bonds jsut hit the majority of his 750 when he was on roids.

Bonds probably would have still had 600 homers even if he wasn't on roids. He had nearly 500 when he started taking them, and that was in like 2000.

I think if you were to say he was on roids it was probably from 2000-2004. His most productive HR outputs at his mid 30 after coming off on an injury in 99, where people started questioning his speed.

Over that period he hit 258 HR or an average of 51.6 per year. The 73 really skews that number though. Now if you exclude those seasons and take the average of his non roid years he has 29.75/season. If we say he averages this over those 5 years he would have hit 149 HRs in that same period of time. So 109 roid balls could arguably be taken back. He is still in the tops of allot of categories. Still a 600/500 guy. Still has a career BA right at .300. Several MVPs and golden gloves. He is a first ballet HOF no question.

The cheater is among the top 10 in the history of the game without the roids and HGH.

Bonds probably would have still had 600 homers even if he wasn't on roids. He had nearly 500 when he started taking them, and that was in like 2000.

thats false....

The cheater is among the top 10 in the history of the game without the roids and HGH.

yea but with the roids hes not even in the top 100, funny how that works isnt it?

thats false....

Oh really? If you were to say that Barry Bonds started using steroids before the 2000 season, he still had 445 homers going into that season (I did the math, I know how you don't like to deal with facts). You really don't think that from the year 2000 to today, Bonds couldn't have hit 155 homers? Let's go through some more math. Bonds was averaging 32 homers a year up to that point, which means that it would have taken Bonds roughly five years to get to 600, which means that he would have hit that number in 2005 if he were to hit his average each year. However, considering that Bonds had been hitting more than the average 32 at that point (he had averaged 38 home runs a year from 96-99), he probably would have hit it sooner. Add that to the fact that Bonds would have still cleared 500 stolen bases throughout his career (making him the ONLY player in baseball history with 500 home runs and 500 stolen bases), Barry Bonds would have EASILY been a first ballot hall of famer even before the roids.

Jeff. You said hes a cheater in the top 10. Look how many cheaters are with him in that list. Stop singling out Bonds saying hes a cheater and all that other crap you said.

Massive headed cheater or whatever.

McGwier is in there Sosa is in there you dont know who cheated and who didn't

I hate it when people just destroy Bonds like that.

The man is 4 away. Hes going to do it. And Its awesome.

Jeff. You said hes a cheater in the top 10. Look how many cheaters are with him in that list. Stop singling out Bonds saying hes a cheater and all that other crap you said.
First of all, I wouldn't be telling me to stop doing anything.

This thread is about Bonds so guess who we're talking about here? If you want to start a steroids in MLB thread, go right ahead. You'll quickly learn I feel a number of players INCLUDING Sosa and McGuire used steroids, HGH and anything else they could get their hands on.

All you need to do is look at the stats and the shapes of their bodies over time.

Now you can choose to live in denial and be all rah-rah over Bonds but I'll continue to call him a "massive-headed cheater" as long as I am able to draw breath, comprende?

thats false....

Because you say so? DO the math or look at my last post where I did it. If he hit is averarge over the roid years he would still have had 650+ HR at this point in his career.



yea but with the roids hes not even in the top 100, funny how that works isnt it?

Top one hundred? He is #2 right now.

Great, the Freak Show himself is coming into town @ Busch Stadium this Friday, Saturday & Sunday. Just lovely :rolleyes:

First of all, I wouldn't be telling me to stop doing anything.

This thread is about Bonds so guess who we're talking about here? If you want to start a steroids in MLB thread, go right ahead. You'll quickly learn I feel a number of players INCLUDING Sosa and McGuire used steroids, HGH and anything else they could get their hands on.

All you need to do is look at the stats and the shapes of their bodies over time.

Now you can choose to live in denial and be all rah-rah over Bonds but I'll continue to call him a "massive-headed cheater" as long as I am able to draw breath, comprende?

Sorry I just get a mad when a whole bunch of people just get all over Bonds and dont stop. I just dont think its fair. Im not saying I dont believe he used steriods because we all know he did something but come on. Roids or not this guy is the best baseball player in this era of baseball. I just want to see history. Controversy or no controversy you dont often see the biggest record in baseball being broken. Love em or hate em you'll watch it.

Sorry I just get a mad when a whole bunch of people just get all over Bonds and dont stop. I just dont think its fair.

Well I don't think its fair for him to break one of baseball's biggest records by knowingly using performance enhancing drugs. Why should Bonds be celebrated for cheating the game over the last half of his career?

Another thing that factors in with Bonds is the number of walks he getse. He has shattered any other players mark in that catigory. If he played in the time of Aaron or Ruth there is no way it would have been allowed.

I don't really care too much, I mean it's obvious Bonds didn't do it fair.

Sorry I just get a mad when a whole bunch of people just get all over Bonds and dont stop. I just dont think its fair. Im not saying I dont believe he used steriods because we all know he did something but come on. Roids or not this guy is the best baseball player in this era of baseball. I just want to see history. Controversy or no controversy you dont often see the biggest record in baseball being broken. Love em or hate em you'll watch it.

It's hard for a lot of the rest of us to be passionate about his accomplishment when we feel it's been diminished by his actions. Yes, he'll have hit more homers than anyone else... but he didn't do it on his own. He cheated. You can't say he would be the best player in this era without the steroids, you just can't. It's more likely that he would have started to decline, and wouldn't have reached this point. I refuse to acknowledge this accomplishment simply because I don't think it's the same. I don't like that he's put an asterisk on such a great record, I don't like it that so many baseball players have tarnished their own sport. Yet another reason I quit caring about baseball long ago.

Bonds is a Cheater, doesnt deserve to play in america's past time, people should boo him every game, and even after he takes the home run title, this hole nation with the exception of the gay city (San Fran) will know that Hank Aaron is the True Homerun King, and Bonds is nothing but a fraud.

Bonds is a Cheater, doesnt deserve to play in america's past time, people should boo him every game, and even after he takes the home run title, this hole nation with the exception of the gay city (San Fran) will know that Hank Aaron is the True Homerun King, and Bonds is nothing but a fraud.

Any any amount of credibilty you had just got washed down the drain. How about you actually read the post instead of making comments you obviously have not clue about.

"He's a cheater, cuz I say so."

This "hole" nation as you call it does not agree with the statement. More then 50% of people poled said he should still get it. I guess they took that entire field from the SF area. :rolleyes:

I am of the opinion that he deserves every record, award he gets. No asterics, nothing, just the respect he deserves.

I don't really care too much, I mean it's obvious Bonds didn't do it fair.


Why? Explain to me how you know he cheated?

Why? Explain to me how you know he cheated?

There's an entire book about it (Pretty good book by the way, Game of Shadows, even though they spent the bulk of the time talking about Bonds but I guess that's where the money is.) However, people are going to believe what they want about Bonds. Honestly, I think he did cheat. But I don't think that you can place all of the blame at his feet. The fact of the matter is that the overwhelming majority of baseball fans recognize that hundreds of players were taking steroids during the era. They also realize that most of the owners and the brass of major league baseball knew of the rampant steroid use that was going on. So therefore, who's to blame? Major League Baseball was content to just turn a blind eye to the entire issue until Congress stepped in. Now they want to be proactive and wash their hands of all of the cheaters of the era? As far as i'm concerned, they deserve to have everything blow up in their face. Barry Bonds is the monster that they created.

Any any amount of credibilty you had just got washed down the drain. How about you actually read the post instead of making comments you obviously have not clue about.

"He's a cheater, cuz I say so."

This "hole" nation as you call it does not agree with the statement. More then 50% of people poled said he should still get it. I guess they took that entire field from the SF area. :rolleyes:

yea why dont you lay down some proof when you say 50% of the nation want bonds to get the record????

ill bet 10% want him to get it, 85% dont, and 5% could care less, i fall in the 5% range because when bonds gets it, it will be nothing more then a piece of hardware sitting in his trophy room, no meaning, and he will get no respect.

it will be nothing more then a piece of hardware sitting in his trophy room

You get a trophy for breaking the home run record?

idk

When you have a migraine headache and your laying on your bed about to puke what do you want? Some serious aspirin.. And why would you want it? To get better. If Bonds used something to enhance his performance whats the difference? And I know each and everyone of you are going to use "well aspirin and roids are 2 totally different things your an idiot"

Well. In a way yes. But not quite. If you were Bonds , you see Mcgwier and Sosa getting all the attention and you could use something to make you better then them without people ever finding real proof would you do it? Of course you would. And dont use that bullcrap "i wouldnt do it because I have respect for the game of baseball and I wouldnt cheat" blah blah blah.

When your playing cards with your buddies and get a chance to sneak a peek at his or her cards for a second your going to freaking look.

Stop harping on the man. You dont even know him. You know him because you hear all the crap that the media forces down your throats every single effing day. You listen to the 3rd party. If I said something to someone like hey this dude right here isn't someone you should be hanging around with I heard he does bad things. What are you going to say? Why continue to listen to what everyone else says. I love baseball. And ive always loved baseball... do you think id like Bonds as much as I do if I knew legitimate proof that he used all this garbage that people have came up with such as horse steriods , HGH , some moose crap. I mean come on. Jesus. The man has taken how many tests? If he used as much as these things as people claim why couldn't they find at least a trace of something in his system.

"Oh but its undetectable"

Bull crap. Go paint a fence that goes around your whole yard then go inside and ask someone in your house what you were just doing. Painting would be the first thing they would say because you would have at least some paint on you somewhere. Its dumb. This hate for Bonds is idiotic and unfair.

How many people have been actually tested positive? Alot have. Why hasn't Bonds? Why are these random people getting caught? Why is Giambi going to talk to that dude about what he used and about roids?

How about Chris Benoit the WWE Superstar that killed his wife then son because of the so called "roid rage"

The guy is known for people a class act in and out of the ring but oh wait he kills his family supposedly and they find steriods in his home. OMG lets jump the gun and blame it on roids because roids are bad omg lets say it was roid rage!

Its pathetic. People need to just quit hating Bonds.

Half of them only hate him because other people do and dont want to others to be mad and fight with them so they agree with it and just hate him.

I ask my friend last night "hey dude you going to watch the homerun derby"

he responds "nah i dont really like baseball"

I say "oh. well ok. yeah im gonna go watch it tho im a little bummed that Bonds isent playing"

he says "screw bonds. he used roids. i dont like him"

see what i mean. people hate him just to hate him because all they think or know about him is the whole roids crap.

Dont judge a person simply because everyone else has that opinion on him.

Barry Bonds deserves everything he has done and everything he will do in the future.

And to the people who cant stand him guess what. He aint done. 1 more year of hearing you cry because guess whos playing 1 more year to get to 3 thousand hits.

:))

I don't see why he keeps playing, SF is beyond garbage.

How's that 126 mill contract working out for Zito so far? 6-9 4.90 ERA

Very nice. Have fun in last place for the rest of the season.

Thing is we are better then our record. In the beginning of the season we actually had the best record in the NL and were ahead of our division by a good 4 or 5 games. For some reason we just got into a huge slump.

We are beyond garbage is a dumb thing to say. Were among the top of the MLB teams who has the most money. And. We are seriously going to go all for A Rod when he leaves New York which is a pretty good possibility.

Were going to release all the old players we really dont need anymore for example Omar Vizquel , Matt Morris , probably Aurilla , Klesko is a possibility , Durham very much so. Now you'd think this would ultimately make us suck beyong belief BUT.

SF is an attractive place for Free Agents and as ive said above we have tons of money to unleash.

Theres a young guy that goes by the name of Fred Lewis on our team that will be a star. Yes you probably do not know who he is but hes going to be one of the next great all around players. Power Speed Fielding.

Im very excited to see what we do.

Dont judge a person simply because everyone else has that opinion on him.
My opinion:

*Massive-headed Cheater.

Would your views change on Bonds if after he broke the record he requested to address the crowd and said something along the lines of. Ive been dealing with this whole steriods talk almost the whole half of the end of my career and I am out here to tell you that yes I did use steroids and I know it wasn't the right thing to do at the time and I am truly sorry for all the anger ive caused in all of you and I think it would be best to add an asterisk next to my name in
the record books.

Would you be willing to give him a second chance

Would your views change on Bonds if after he broke the record he requested to address the crowd and said something along the lines of. Ive been dealing with this whole steriods talk almost the whole half of the end of my career and I am out here to tell you that yes I did use steroids and I know it wasn't the right thing to do at the time and I am truly sorry for all the anger ive caused in all of you and I think it would be best to add an asterisk next to my name is the record books.

Would you be willing to give him a second chance
I would feel better about him as a human. Not as a player.

*
This symbol should replace his name and every time he is announced, it should be "the cheater formerly known as Barry Bonds".

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/jon_heyman/07/10/daily.scoop/index.html

Apparently, Bud Selig has decided to be there when Bonds breaks the record.

Good move by the commish.

ryan, your only argument is pretty much:

"I know he cheated, but its ok anyways"

I would feel better about him as a human. Not as a player.

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This symbol should replace his name and every time he is announced, it should be "the cheater formerly known as Barry Bonds".

i agree 100%

ryan, your only argument is pretty much:

"I know he cheated, but its ok anyways"

How is that any different that your "Barry Bonds cheated and doesn't deserve to live" argument?

Its pointless trying to get people to understand.

During the all star game someone made a very good point

How many people have juiced in the MLB this decade? you will never know ever. unless something major happens no one will ever know what was going on. the guy said what if 70% of the pitchers in the MLB that bonds has faced used roids? And they said if proof ever comes forth and u get a huge list of roiders and half of them were who Bonds either faced of didn't face theres nothing they will do about it because Bonds will be just another person who did it. theres countless others who also did it. So its basically dumb to harp on bonds all day every day about how hes a cheater and a a hole for cheating because no one has any proof wat so ever. If ur going to hate Bonds then u need to hate every other person who was an alleged roid user because thats all Bonds is was and always will be. An ALLEGED user. No proof at all. Not even 1%. only proof they have is cuz he got bigger. so what. You single out Bonds because hes become to poster boy in the MLB for steriod talk. Half of you probably dont even give a crap you just hate him to hate him cuz everyone else does and you dont want to be left out.

Barry is a great man and he deserves everything he gets this year. The all star game being cheered by his beloved fans , walking his god father down the field.. This week was awesome. And you guys just continue to talk your smack on the man. Give it up. Just give it up. Respect the man for the things he did in the past if you hate him that much for being an ALLEGED user.

An ALLEGED user. No proof at all. Not even 1%. only proof they have is cuz he got bigger. so what.

http://www.joewiebe.com/images/game_of_shadows.jpg

There's your proof. And don't knock the book because i'm 100 percent sure that you haven't read it.

Why read a book filled with hear say? Wonder why the book got discontinued. Both authors almost went to jail to for false statements. No proof to back up anything.

Im just going to tell someone that you killed someone. Are they going to believe it? No they are going to look and see if theres "proof". In this case there is no proof. And stop bringing up that book anyways. If people took it seriously Bonds would be in jail right now.

Bonds = Legend. HAH

1st ballot hall of famer.

first of all, besides bonds being a lowlife cheater he is the most selfish athlete probably all time. he is a piece of Sh%^ all his fans support him through everything and he can't even do them a favor and participate in the hr derby to give back to the fans and your praising him like a god.

Ok dude first of all you need to stop. Bonds isent a young gun anymore. He cant do things like that. Let the young guys shine. Second of all dont judge him because of what you hear and see on TV about him. The media turned him into what he is. Always asking him questions about the roid use always bugging him talking to him about pointless things besides baseball. Bonds wasent always the way he is today. Back in the day he was quiet. Never really a talker always just went out there and played the game. Same thing he does now except you got people harping him on all day every day. Dont call him selfish and a piece of sh**. Hes a human being just like you and me. He has feelings. Im sick and tired of every single one of you calling the man all these names and crap. Jesus. Respect him for going out there and playing what he loves to do. Dont judge him because the 3rd party tells you. Dont judge him because of what you hear and see on tv. Its annoying. Give it up.

Bonds wins you lose. All this talk every day and he is still out there and still hitting the homeruns and helping his team win games. Weather we suck this year or not he plays the game and loves doing it.

Quit with the hate you lost.

Why read a book filled with hear say? Wonder why the book got discontinued. Both authors almost went to jail to for false statements. No proof to back up anything.

Im just going to tell someone that you killed someone. Are they going to believe it? No they are going to look and see if theres "proof". In this case there is no proof. And stop bringing up that book anyways. If people took it seriously Bonds would be in jail right now.

Bonds = Legend. HAH

1st ballot hall of famer.

First off, the writers almost went to jail because they refused to give up their sources. The book contains leaked grand jury testimony. Plus, why would these two writers spend two full years investigating the subject just to write a book filled with "hearsay" as you call it. And if the book has been discontinued, why can I go down to Books-A-Million and buy it right now?

Respect him for going out there and playing what he loves to do. Dont judge him because the 3rd party tells you. Dont judge him because of what you hear and see on tv.

Why should I respect a guy just because he gets paid 16 million dollars to play a game? And none of us here are judging Barry Bonds because of something a "third party" are telling us. I think we're big enough to formulate our own opinions. You on the other hand are feeding right into Barry's crap. Oh he's not a young gun anymore. You telling me that Bonds couldn't get off his *** and go take a few half-hearted swings in front of the only fans in the entire country that actually like him? I guarantee that if the All-Star Game was in Cincinatti, Ken Griffey Jr. would be in the home run derby.

How is that any different that your "Barry Bonds cheated and doesn't deserve to live" argument?

:truedat:

Quit with the hate you lost.

Look man, i'm not one of these people that trash Barry Bonds. If you look through this thread, i've actually defended him. I just think that it's pretty ignorant to blatantly ignore the evidence and say they don't have anything on him. Even without the steroids, Barry Bonds is a first ballot hall of famer and one of the best players of our generation.

All I have been trying to say basically is if there is this so called evidence that everyone claims there is that he used roids he wouldn't be playing right now. Calling him names and saying hes a cheater makes no sense because thats only an opinion. Until something happens that proves he used something then hes innocent and deserves everything he has accomplished.

All I have been trying to say basically is if there is this so called evidence that everyone claims there is that he used roids he wouldn't be playing right now. Calling him names and saying hes a cheater makes no sense because thats only an opinion. Until something happens that proves he used something then hes innocent and deserves everything he has accomplished.

Point taken. It's true that nobody but Barry and maybe his trainers know definitively if he has taken steroids or not. But you have to admit that the evidence is pretty overwhelming. You have an entire book about it. You have a mistress that claims that she did (though the credibility of her could easily be challenged). You have leaked grand jury testimony that said that he unknowingly took steroids (that came straight from Barry's mouth). Then, of course, you have the fact that he gained thirty pounds of muscle in one offseason. On the other hand, Bonds case is much different than McGwire. A sportswriter actually found a bottle of Andro in his locker. And you have a former player claiming that he personally stuck him with steroids.

How is that any different that your "Barry Bonds cheated and doesn't deserve to live" argument?

i dont remember saying he didnt deserve to live, but if i did, i apologize, no body deserves to die for something as irrelevant as Baseball, compared to LIFE, it is irrelevant.

but to say, "I Know he cheated, its obvious" and then still support him???

i cant see why???

if Vince Young became the leading passer all time, but he took HGH, and roids, and other performance enhancing drugs, i still wouldnt say "Vince cheated, its obvious, but he is still a great football player"

I followed Barry Bonds since I was 7 years old. Sometimes its hard to face the facts of whats in front of your face. I refuse to believe people. I cant ever hate him. I cant hate the man for doing what more then half the world would of done if given the opportunity.

You don't have to stop liking him. But you can't make others like or respect him. You can't demand that they leave him alone when they feel that he is tarnishing a sport. You can argue the points, but the "Bonds wins, you lose" statements won't get you far.

I will always be a fan of Bonds. Even if he ever does get caught doing something or ever gets tested positive. I cant blame him for wanting to be the best. The price hes been paying is a big one but in a few weeks he can officially call him the best power hitter of all time. Weather people like it or not his name is at the top of the list of all them legends.

When you like someone almost your whole life its too hard to turn your back on them. Bonds has very little supporters and im proud to say Im one of them. Even if people want to call him names and things like that it wont change my mind. Without Barry baseball would be boring. People would have no one to boo. And I say that because it seems Bonds is the only player who can come into someones stadium and get a overwhelming BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.

And that is what makes the game fun. Hate some and Love some. In this case hate 1 and love all.

the reason bonds wont be a hall of famer, IMO, isnt because he cheated, well it is, but another reason, hes an *****, even if he didnt cheat i still would think he was a brat, the way he treats fans and media, is horrible, he cant even play 1 round in a home run derby??? but he can play 70+ games the first half of the season???

now if a likeable person in the MLB, like Cal Ripken, probably the most loved baseball player all-time, in my books, had the world suspicsious of if he was taking HGH, or roids, most people would give him the benifit of the doubt, because he does respect the media and the fans, he gives back to the fans, why should we show bonds respect, when he shows us none at all???

Barry is a great man and he deserves everything he gets this year. The all star game being cheered by his beloved fans , walking his god father down the field.. This week was awesome.

He's lucky the AS game was in SF this year, b/c if it was in another city, the guy would have been booed beyond belief.

the reason bonds wont be a hall of famer, IMO, isnt because he cheated, well it is, but another reason, hes an *****, even if he didnt cheat i still would think he was a brat, the way he treats fans and media, is horrible, he cant even play 1 round in a home run derby??? but he can play 70+ games the first half of the season???

now if a likeable person in the MLB, like Cal Ripken, probably the most loved baseball player all-time, in my books, had the world suspicsious of if he was taking HGH, or roids, most people would give him the benifit of the doubt, because he does respect the media and the fans, he gives back to the fans, why should we show bonds respect, when he shows us none at all???

Since when did the Hall of Fame become the Hall of Good Guys?

He just seems to hate everyone I like. I have no idea how we are both Titans fans.

Ty Cobb was the biggest wanker who lived.

I'm not a big fan of what Bonds has done nor his bratty attitude but there is no question in my mind that he should be in the HOF. Bonds has had an incredible career.

Ty Cobb was the biggest wanker who lived.

Known for sliding in cleat first with intent to injure.

Since when did the Hall of Fame become the Hall of Good Guys?

yea but barry bonds is questionable to get in, i dont think he will, because he is a jerk.

He just seems to hate everyone I like. I have no idea how we are both Titans fans.

lol, good thing you dont like the Colts.

it is wierd i hate LeChoke Games and Barry Bonds and they are your favorite players.

I dont knock you for being an Arenas fan and a Nationals fan do I?

Why do you?

If I like the Cavs and Giants thats on me. I never knew it was wrong to like a sports team. And you can stop calling him "Lechoke" because he got his finals. He didnt win but he got there. And. He won the ESPY for best NBA Player. Not saying he IS the best player but for the millions people who vote sure do think so. I dont see Gilberts name anywhere on the list of candidates for ANYTHING.

yea but barry bonds is questionable to get in, i dont think he will, because he is a jerk.

Barry Bonds is definitely not questionable to get in

yea but barry bonds is questionable to get in, i dont think he will, because he is a jerk.

So was Ruth. He refused to give credit to Marris because he hit the HRs in more games and refused to come to the final few games when Aaron was chasing.

There is no question if Bonds is going to get in unless the league decieds to ban him from the game.

lol, ryan, take a chill pill.......calm down.....

i never said it was wrong for you to like whoever you like, it just so happens that your favorite NBA team is my least favorite, and your favorite baseball player is my least favorite. sorry if i offended you........

and im not gonna lie, LeBron James is a good player, best in the NBA, might get a few ?'s. i just dont think he is all that clutch, he cant deliver when it matters, i talk trash, im not trying to right your wrongs or anything, not that i would know if you had any........

Gilbert wasnt expected to be what lebron james is expected to be, gilbert wasnt even expected to play in college, he was picked in the 2nd round, he actually had to work to gain the respect he deserves, Barry Bonds and LeBron either cheated to get it(Barry Bonds) , or it was gift rapped and handed to him. (LeBron James).

i like the Nationals and Wizards because im a local fan, knock on the Nats all you want, they suck, they have no excuse for sucking, i hate them just as much as the next guy, but at the same time, they are still my team... Wizards caught some bad breaks last season, and i like the Titans because i used to live in Tennessee.

i like the Nationals and Wizards because im a local fan, knock on the Nats all you want, they suck, they have no excuse for sucking, i hate them just as much as the next guy, but at the same time, they are still my team... Wizards caught some bad breaks last season, and i like the Titans because i used to live in Tennessee.

Nothing wrong with that. I root for the Braves because, let's face it, there's really no other baseball team in the south. And i'm just busting your chops when I talk about the Nationals. The Wizards are an extremely talented team. They're actually one of the teams that I check the box score on as soon as I open the newspaper or go