Per WAVY-TV, police discovered "animal neglect" on the property (http://www.wavy.com/Global/story.asp?S=6428206&nav=menu45_2), in the form of dogs that appeared to be "hungry and forgotten."

In a video report on FOX 43, Surry County (Va.) administrator Tyrone Franklin says that "it does give the appearance of some activity, illegal activity." (http://www.fox43tv.com/global/video/popup/pop_player.asp?ClipID1=1391998&h1=Investigators%20discover%20neglected%20dogs%20o n%20Vick%27s%20property&vt1=v&at1=News&d1=98100&LaunchPageAdTag=News&activePane=info&playerVersion=9&hostPageUrl=http%3A//www.fox43tv.com/Global/story.asp%3FS%3D6428206%26nav%3Dmenu47_2&rnd=51318380)

Though Franklin doesn't specify the illegal activity, our own Taco Bill has found a report regarding the story on Pet-Abuse.com containing the following paragraph that is nothing short of a bombshell:

"Early reports indicate that Vick was allegedly running a dog-fighting and ****fighting operation (http://www.pet-abuse.com/cases/11312/VA/US/) from the back of the home. The Virginia Animal Fighting Taskforce was on the scene. Authorities report that Vick had been under investigation for several years for illegal animal fighting."

Vick is an a hole if he does that.

Kick em outta the league.

lol jk but thats messed up

six games suspension.

The water bottle with the hash compartment,failing to show for the children's fund raiser last weekend & now this. Vick is tarnishing the shield.:rolleyes:

Goodell is full of it. Why has nothing happened to Joey Porter yet?

Wow, this is pretty serious. If the buildings were paid for by him for that purpose, he could get serious charges and a serious suspension. The biggest difference between Vick and Young? Character, and that counts for almost everything.

The water bottle with the hash compartment,failing to show for the children's fund raiser last weekend & now this. Vick is tarnishing the shield.:rolleyes:

Goodell is full of it. Why has nothing happened to Joey Porter yet?

This story was dated today. Do you really think Goodell was going to hand down a punishment immediately?

Season suspension!

Good lord, 70 dogs? That's pretty huge. I'm sure the suspension won't be quite as large as it could be since it's where his cousin lives and he just owns the house, but it's still a serious thing.

Public burning!

once vick gets the boot for 10 games, we should combine this forum, and call it "The Reason We All Hate Goodell". go.pacman/vick.com

Vick is a moron and a thug and should get suspended if he has any connection with these allegations IMO.

Vick is a moron and a thug and should get suspended if he has any connection with these allegations IMO.
it was in his backyard.... i think he has some type of connection.

Also what about the recent incident involving Vikings player, Griffin I think is his name? He was arrested and charged with a misdemeanor of disorderly conduct. He was thrown out of a nightclub. I want to see some more suspensions, Roger "I don't want to make a poster boy out of anyone" Goodell. Vick should definitely be suspended for this latest situation... In fact, I think that they should go back to when Vick gave the lone finger salute to his fans and suspend him for that too. I think that it qualifies as "tarnishing the shield." So what if it is retroactive, Pacman's and Henry's were. Imagine if everyone got amnesia the day that Mr. Goodell outlined the basics of his new policy. Pacman nor Henry would be suspended. Even if Pacman was, it would have been for maybe 4 to 6 games... that's it. This whole thing is retroactive. If it's a duck, call it a duck.

So Ron Mexico was hosting illegal Chiuaua fights.

it was in his backyard.... i think he has some type of connection.

It was in the backyard of a house he owned, not a house he lived in, and according to Dan Patrick, a house he rarely even visited. Apparently the police dont even have any interest in Vick at this point. But, Vick is certainly starting to toe the line I would think, and in danger of crossing it.

His cousin's house, which he paid for. Housing for those dogs was built, and probably the check was signed by Vick. That's a direct tie to knowledge, and more than enough for me to feel he deserves a suspension, with or without a criminal conviction. Animal abuse is a terrible crime.

His cousin's house, which he paid for. Housing for those dogs was built, and probably the check was signed by Vick. That's a direct tie to knowledge, and more than enough for me to feel he deserves a suspension, with or without a criminal conviction. Animal abuse is a terrible crime.

Animal abuse is a terrible crime, but if Vick had no knowledge of the abuse, then the only thing I find fault with him for, is being ignorant of what is going on at one of his properties. Plenty of people by houses or properties that they rent. Should those people be responsible if a tennant is busted with a drug operation in the house or something of that nature?

Animal abuse is a terrible crime, but if Vick had no knowledge of the abuse, then the only thing I find fault with him for, is being ignorant of what is going on at one of his properties. Plenty of people by houses or properties that they rent. Should those people be responsible if a tennant is busted with a drug operation in the house or something of that nature?When someone slips, falls and gets injured they sue the home owner, not the tenant, or am I mistaken? I always thought the home owner/property owner was ultimately responsible for anything on the property.

If the waterline breaks and floods the neighbors yard, tenant isn't responsible, owner is.

Playing ignorant and saying "I don't know what was going on" is not an excuse that will fly well, and might not even hold up with the law. Heck I'm no lawyer though.

When someone slips, falls and gets injured they sue the home owner, not the tenant, or am I mistaken? I always thought the home owner/property owner was ultimately responsible for anything on the property.

If the waterline breaks and floods the neighbors yard, tenant isn't responsible, owner is.

Playing ignorant and saying "I don't know what was going on" is not an excuse that will fly well, and might not even hold up with the law. Heck I'm no lawyer though.

Owners are responsible for the house, and maintenance of the house, you are correct. They are not responsible for all activity in the house. If that were the case, a lot less people would be willing to rent out a home, knowing they could be prosecuted for anything illegal in the house, even if they dont know about the illegal activity. If Vick did have knowledge or any part in this, he should be in some serious legal trouble. If this was done without his knowing, I cant see how you fault him for that.

Dg, I'd give what you're saying more weight, but there was enough constuction there to create a place to house over 70 dogs. That's a huge thing going on that he had to have some knowledge of. It's not like someone brought a couple of dogs over one night and let them go at it.

Dg, I'd give what you're saying more weight, but there was enough constuction there to create a place to house over 70 dogs. That's a huge thing going on that he had to have some knowledge of. It's not like someone brought a couple of dogs over one night and let them go at it.


But housing dogs isnt illegal. Dont get me wrong, he could very easily have known what was going on, Im sure all the details of this arent out yet. But again, housing dogs isnt illegal. If he built the dog houses, but they werent his dogs, do you hold him responsible for animal abuse for animals he doesnt own, and rarely if ever sees?

It's not so much that it's dog houses, but it's dog fighting materials. There are some descriptions of some of the equiptment found, and none of it is for your friendly dog breeder. Check out PFT, there's a picture and some description. People don't keep treadmills and rape stands for their regular dogs.

The scale and type of things that are there are what bothers me.

It's not so much that it's dog houses, but it's dog fighting materials. There are some descriptions of some of the equiptment found, and none of it is for your friendly dog breeder. Check out PFT, there's a picture and some description. People don't keep treadmills and rape stands for their regular dogs.

The scale and type of things that are there are what bothers me.

Dont get me wrong, Im not saying it shouldnt bother you. Obviously the situation was a bad situation. What Im saying is that at this point, we really dont know how much Vick knew about the situation.

If there's that much stuff there that clearly points to training dogs for fighting, then it's enough for him to have some form of punishment/suspension, at least to me. He's on an even higher level than pacman, he's under the most scrutiny of almost any player in the game. He shouldn't let something like this happen. Vick as a whole is the perfect example of "tarnishing the sheild". Flicking off the fans, repeated rumors about STDs and drugs, and now this? Some icon, some role model.

But housing dogs isnt illegal. Dont get me wrong, he could very easily have known what was going on, Im sure all the details of this arent out yet. But again, housing dogs isnt illegal. If he built the dog houses, but they werent his dogs, do you hold him responsible for animal abuse for animals he doesnt own, and rarely if ever sees?If he saw the dogs once, then yes he's responsible. He had knowledge of what was going on. Depending on the laws of the county he has to get a kennel license if he wants to house that many dogs. Most counties/cities allow around 3-4 without license, 70 is a bit much. They don't let everyone start a zoo at their house, just to make sure stuff like this doesn't happen.

Dont get me wrong, Im not saying it shouldnt bother you. Obviously the situation was a bad situation. What Im saying is that at this point, we really dont know how much Vick knew about the situation.

Please, Just take a look at www.vicksk9kennels.com . If you take a look at the"CONTACT US" tab. You will see that the address for this kennel is located at the same address listed in the warrant. They just state two different cities in Virginia. Which is obviously a typo. Vick obviously had intimate knowledge of the operation.

They found a 2 year old skeleton of a dog(s) on the property, and a construction worker said Vick was involved in this horrible crime. He's had the dog pins up for a few years now. Video from 2003 shows the same buildings.
Case Updates
Update posted on May 1, 2007 - 11:08AM

Prosecutors say that Vick's claims about never visiting the home and being completely unaware of what was happening at the Surry County home are simply not true. Additionally, WAVY searched their archive for chopper footage of back when the Vick home was being built in 2003, when Vick had his double-wide trailer hauled away and a 4700 square foot home built.

Their footage clearly shows the same three outbuildings used to contain some of the the dogs, complete with areas for training, and evidence of dogs at the property.

Interviews with a construction worker who helped build the house in 2003 confirmed not only that Vick was there routinely while the house was being built, but also that there were at least 40 dogs on the property, as well as the dog-fighting equipment police seized.

According to the Commonwealth Attorney, there is no question that Vick visits the Surry property often.

Investigators also found the skeletal remains of at least one dog on the Surry County property, estimated to have been there for approximately two years.
Video Source:
http://www.pet-abuse.com/media/case_pics/case_11312_wavy_footage.wmv
http://www.pet-abuse.com/cases/11312/VA/US/

a witness can put vick there

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2871625