Nash posted on TC yesterday that he was in for a visit, seen at the airport. Sirius reported this afternoon that Titans and Jets are considering a trade. They cited a report from the Tennessean, but none has been posted yet. I hope we get him for a 4, but anything less than a 2 will be "value," since we gave him up for a 2 (and got Travis LaBoy...discuss amongst yourselves), but will get him back more seasoned. Jones and McCareins would start, and I bet Williams and Gage vie for 3 and 4. Question is, which rookie doesn't make the squad, or does JMac replace Gage?

we're definitely going to the playoffs now.....

Jones and McCareins would start, and I bet Williams and Gage vie for 3 and 4. Question is, which rookie doesn't make the squad, or does JMac replace Gage?
maybe williams or gage dont make the roster? i dont see us cutting one of the rooks without letting them show us some type of development over a year. hell, orr didnt even play in a game last year.

I love JMac. I know he's not really all that great but 2003 was a pretty awesome year and he was really good for us then... then again, we had Mason... so maybe you need a #1 to have a full stack JMac attack... :whoop:

this news makes me happy.

JMAC is a big good reciever, but Coles overshadowed him to much in NY. We just need a RELIABLE target for VY. JMAC might be it.

IF we get him....I would bet Orr would be gone.

Darrel Jackson went to SF for a 4th rounder. So.....it better be a higher number than that to the Jets.

I will never forget J-Mac's TD in the playoffs against the ratbirds.

Id more then love to have him back

maybe williams or gage dont make the roster? i dont see us cutting one of the rooks without letting them show us some type of development over a year. hell, orr didnt even play in a game last year.

I'd bet Williams makes the roster before Gage, plus, even though training camp hasn't started yet, by all accounts, RWilliams has made good progress this offseasnon, and he's cheaper than Gage. He'll cost roughly half that.

Orr went to the PS, so it's conceivable they could try the same with Filani.

I will never forget J-Mac's TD in the playoffs against the ratbirds.

Id more then love to have him back

Same here. I've been wanting to sign JMac way more than DJack.

Though I doubt we'll go after Oliver, I can see us losing a few draft picks potentially:

3rd or 4th for Alex Brown
3rd or 4th for JMac
2nd for Paul Oliver?

No way we can go after everyone using draft picks.

Wow JMac over Darrell Jackson......speechless.

Have you people lost your mind JMac is not worth a 4th if D-Jack is. Compare production and you will find out J-Mac is not worth a 4th rounder. J-Mac is a mediocre WR that will provide us with nothing more than a 3rd WR and won't contribute much. I think he would actually hinder some of the younger WR's development by taking reps, playtime, ect. He's not going to get any better or younger like the guys we have who do have potential and lot to contribute but need those reps to reach their potential.

Obviously I'm not against bringing in better players but I don't see Mac as an upgrade...He's just another washed up WR in the league that had a maybe 2 decent years and dissappeared it happens all the time and just because he was once a Titan that doesn't mean we have to bring him back. Why bring in a washed up WR that might give us a year or 2 of 30 catches 400 yds or what not while taking reps and playing time away from our young guys is doing us no good when Gage could probably do that.

Alex Brown is worth a 3rd or 4th.
D-Jack was worth a 4th or better in terms of production and being a #1 WR.
What makes Mac make a him worth a 4th when he doesn't have half DJ's production and was never a #1 WR.
Oliver I'm hoping we still take a shot at him even with the Herndon signing because he has so much potential and promise.

^ :werd:

I don't think we'll make a serious run at oliver after the herndon signing. Too much money at CB already.

I think JMAC is worth less than DJack. I'd still like him, but I hope we don't trade a 2nd or 3rd for him.

I like Justin... and to the right team I think he's worth a 4th, but I just don't see the Titans needing him. We've got a lot of good talent at WR, with plenty of guys that I have no doubt will be productive. My only question is can any of them handle being the #1 - it's a switch that Bennett struggled with, and if you asked me to bet on whether Jones or McCareins could make the jump I think I'd put my money on Jones (actually Roydell is a little more aggressive on the line, he's got a little more speed, and he's healthy now - so I might even give him the nod). Between Jones, Williams and Gage I just don't see JMac fitting in.

Well, the real issue is who is going to be cut? We're not even going to keep all the WRs we have now, much less if we sign someone else. We don't like to give up on our rookies. Maybe, maybe we could keep 2 on the practice squad, but it's going to be a full boat without bringing anyone else in.

This might give us some hope for our 3rd year WRs. The guy who set LMac on the bench wasn't Coles it was Jerricho Cotchery who had 82 catches for almost 1000 yards last year. Cotchery was coming off two previous season where he had a total of only 25 catches for slightly over 300 yards. We just need Williams or Roby or both to have the light come on where one of them can have a breakout year like Cotchery had. Jones obviously needs to finally put together a strong injury free year as well.

I'm not really sure at this point there is much reason to bother with JMac. He obviously hasn't improved over the last 3 years like the Jets thought he would. I'd rather see guys like the 3rd year guys, Orr and the rookies get the reps and hope someone in the bunch is the next Derrick Mason. Mason had a whopping 47 catches his first three years before he finally broke out and had a 60+ catch season. JMac has already had his chance and he has proven he isn't up to the task IMO. Sure he might be a very slight upgrade in the short term but all he is going to do is hinder the growth of our young WRs.

exactly, this is the year we should expect good things from our 3rd year WR class. I'm also intrigued about someone Fisher mentioned a month or 2 ago - he said that they had picked up an undrafted FA a year or 2 ago who has been on the practice squad, but has impressed them. Not sure if he means Solomon?

Anyway, I see Davis getting some reps this year, with Filani and/or Williams going to the practice squad unless they really shine. I'd have to assume that Orr/Roby is a candidate to be cut or traded, also unless they shine.

The Titans are in a slight quandary IMO if they do pick up JMac IMO. No way I see them trying to sneak Paul Williams or Davis on the practice squad considering how high they were picked in the draft. Another team would certainly jump on either one of those guys and add them to their roster plus we would get zero value out of a 3rd or 4th round pick.
Orr could move to the PS for one more year so that is a possibility and they might get by with Filani as well considering he was a 6th round pick.

So for now I'd say P. Williams and Davis are locks to make the initial roster.
Of course the other is B. Jones and considering the Titans made some financial investment in Gage I'd assume he is on the final roster unless he really lays an egg. That is 4 guys (assuming Givens is IRed) and Roby and Williams are the two guys we hope really come on this year which makes 6. Bringing in JMac almost assures we have to cut or trade a guy like Roby, Williams or Gage. That wouldn't be the end of the world if JMac really produces but they need to be careful not to let a WR go who could surpass JMac in the long run.

Of course these things have a way of working themselves out on their own like someone getting hurt or playing so poorly we don't mind dumping them. IMO we may have given up on Calico a year early IMO as it was and I'd hate to give up on a player we invested a draft pick and time in just to look back a year or two from now and have the same problem. After all, is Calico really that much worse than a guy like Paul Willaims who cost us a 3rd round pick and might take a couple of years to produce?

I think they make a very serious run for both JMac & Brown.

This might give us some hope for our 3rd year WRs. The guy who set LMac on the bench wasn't Coles it was Jerricho Cotchery who had 82 catches for almost 1000 yards last year. Cotchery was coming off two previous season where he had a total of only 25 catches for slightly over 300 yards. We just need Williams or Roby or both to have the light come on where one of them can have a breakout year like Cotchery had. Jones obviously needs to finally put together a strong injury free year as well.

I'm not really sure at this point there is much reason to bother with JMac. He obviously hasn't improved over the last 3 years like the Jets thought he would. I'd rather see guys like the 3rd year guys, Orr and the rookies get the reps and hope someone in the bunch is the next Derrick Mason. Mason had a whopping 47 catches his first three years before he finally broke out and had a 60+ catch season. JMac has already had his chance and he has proven he isn't up to the task IMO. Sure he might be a very slight upgrade in the short term but all he is going to do is hinder the growth of our young WRs.


Oh yeah, I feel this way every year, but the point is this: You can't chase the curve all the time and say, well, so and so did this, so you can logically predict they'll do that every year. That's so Schwartz. You do that to a degree, BUT you have balance that with actually being the curve instead of just chasing it. You make the right things come together at the right time. Titans historically bring in someone to "shore up" something just when you don't want them to. You know they will. Kerry Collins. Antowain Smith. Colby Bockwoldt, etc. etc. It's for reasons of "veteran presence, competition, professionalism," pick your favorite. McCareins is good, can put up what Drew put up here the last two, gives everyone room to grow still, can be a #3 at worst, can play all receiver positions, will work hard, doesn't have an injury his story, can play special teams, is physical, will block, beat the jam, has speed, has hands. I don't care if D Jackson is or has been better. He was not a better fit, especially mentally, and we're already toting another high-priced name receiver around on IR. No thanks. I'm for giving our current guys a shot, but bringing JMac is rather like being the curve right now. Still hope Jones and Willams are on the field all the time. I'd tell McCareins if he were in for an official visit, "You should know that some of the guys we already have may beat you out. One of them probably will."

And McCareins is likely not going come in like a prima donna, kind of separate from the locker room, is not going to cost as much money. I think he also has room to grow. It's also a matter of who is voted More Likely To Be Dependable. He will be a very good value if we don't have to give up a first day pick.

I would dislike seeing anyone cut before they develop, especially the rookies, but I don't think that would happen. Orr and Gage strategically strike me as the most susceptible, but the reality is this: Someone is going to suck, and therefore aren't above upgrading.

J-Mac should be in the top 7. Training camp will decide who isn't if we sign him.

If we give up anything for the guy and pay him 3 mil a year he better be in the top 3 or why bother. Our main objective to bringing anyone in that we have to give anything up to get is that we are considerably confident they will be one of our top 3 WRs. Also it isn't like JMac is going to be a guy who in a cople of years is going to break through. He should be at the peak of his career right now.

I think there's no question he'd be #3 or better, production-wise. What did Bobby Wade produce last year, and he was our #2/#3?

I'm changing my tune a little here but i don't think we need to give up anything for this guy. Wait for him to get cut. We didn't have to give up any draft picks to get brownie or herndon so why jmac. I like getting him off the waiver wire though.

I like what reinsfeld is doing here. We are building layers of dependable depth in case certain players don't get the job done or we have injuries. Interesting that right after we sign herndon pacman is at it again with his thug buddies in some hell hole strip club. In the case of jmac he provides a dependable option in case roby, williams and orr don't help out as much as we like. Personally i think those younger guys will get it done.

Based on experience and production alone jmac would be our #1 with jones #2 and gage as the #3. Problem is i don't think either one is better than williams or roby and davis might be our best slot receiver. I prefer that our younger guys be out there if all is equal at RB and at WR.

I tend to agree with that. I too really want to see the youth perform, and over the years, I get heated when we bring in a vet to get in the way of that. JMac would be about the least upsetting vet signing I can think of at WR, but I hope we could get that production out of the guys we already have.

I think RWilliams could really be terrific. I'm waiting on Roby to catch up a little bit. And yes, Davis could be our best slot guy. I just hope that the opportunity is what makes our guys step up to the level those outside the organization don't expect them to reach.