http://www.ajc.com/news/content/metro/dekalb/stories/2007/06/18/0618dkshooting.html

I am hoping that this is some sort of bullcrap. It is slowly but surely dawning on me that this cat is never coming back to the Titans. Just by his name being mentioned brings a negative light on him, as if it can get any worse. i guess we will have to wait and see, but I am just about giving up on him. His name is getting mentioned waaaaayyyy to much for me.

I'll believe it when I see it.

[url] It is slowly but surely dawning on me that this cat is never coming back to the Titans.

Just now?

I'll believe it when I see it.

Believe what? :crazy:

Believe what? :crazy:

that he did it. :rolleyes:

don't be dense

Just now?


Yup, just now. When it comes to this team and my desire for it to be back in the playoff's, and challenging for a Title I have switched gears from the doubting, and "they will never, "oh, this sucks, and we never get anybody, andt he FO is terrible, fire him, and them (Schwartz still needs to go)' to honestly believeing we will be better, and very competitive again. My utopianistic outlook has transcended Pacman's transgressions, and my eternal optimism has me believing that he meant what he said about staying outta trouble, and is ready to turn over a new leaf and will return to the team just in time to help put us in first place in the division by game 10.

But, this cat is trippin if this story has an ounce of validity to it. I mean even if he had nothing to do with the altercation and he was at the strip club, then it is obviously painful to me that he is outta here. Adams, Reindfelt, fisher, and most importantly Goodell, is not havin this Bullchip. He will be out of the NFL, actually, sorry to say, but I'd rather him out of the NFL than see him play for another team.

oh well......

oh well......

:ha: nice touch.

Pac cannot simply be this stupid can he?

I truly hope and pray. I like the kid, he's a helluva football player. He is a game changer.

Funny, but me and my boys decided to go to the ESPN zone in 05, and I was hoping they would take Antrell Rolle, and when they selected Pac, I had no idea of who he was and what type of skills he had. I was like "who the hell told them to pick ........Lil Jones

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WHAT.....WHAT....WHAT..., OKAAAAYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!

I am hoping that this is some sort of bullcrap.

Rest assured.. it is bullcrap.

though I ain't saying this is true, Pacman is an easy target to blame.

http://tennessean.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070618/NEWS03/70618003

Oh I'm sure choirboy Pac is yet the victim again...:rolleyes:

The problem is that there are grown men who think it is cool to strut around in groups, and go armed cruising in SUVs.

That kind of thing is what kids do in high school.

And this whole "strip club" nonsense.

What is the point?

But, even if this is just another "wrong place, wrong time" then I think he should be banned from the league.

Hold on, I decided to Google "Club Blaze" and "BMF" to see if there was a connection.

http://www.helmet2helmet.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=26304&st=20

I'm not saying it's a good thing everywhere you go, especially if you're in a low-income type strip club where a lot of the patrons came with their lil' $100 bucks or so. Envy causes issues. In Atlanta, it's kinda just how it is. I would like to personally thank the members of BMF for raining money at Club Blaze one night in Dekalb, because the chick that was dancing for me was like, "Hey, just pick that money up and tip me with that if you want to." "I sure will!"

So, if Adam Jones even went to a BMF hang-out, he should be driven from the league.
He obviously isn't "getting it" if he thinks he can be in the NFL and hang out with a continuing criminal enterprise like that.

The problem is that there are grown men who think it is cool to strut around in groups, and go armed cruising in SUVs.

That kind of thing is what kids do in high school.

And this whole "strip club" nonsense.

What is the point?

Have you ever been to a strip club here in Atlanta ???? and I'm not talkin about the ones where the girls have bullet wounds, are 7 months preganant, or just had a baby the day before!!!!!!


But the good ones, Whoooo wheeeee!!!!! that's all I have to say.

I don't know if it's just that PacMan is this stupid or if its because any time PacMan is within a 100 mile radius of a strip club shooting, they look to pin Pac Man (the rich gangsta celebrity), instead of the true guilty person

Have you ever been to a strip club here in Atlanta ???? and I'm not talkin about the ones where the girls have bullet wounds, are 7 months preganant, or just had a baby the day before!!!!!!


But the good ones, Whoooo wheeeee!!!!! that's all I have to say.

Spend money, look but don't touch... what a waste of time and money.

I don't get the fascination.

Why not go actually meet someone who doesn't work in a strip club for a bit of proper fun?

Spend money, look but don't touch... what a waste of time and money.

I don't get the fascination.

Why not go actually meet someone who doesn't work in a strip club for a bit of proper fun?

It's a quick fix for some male entertainment. Your boys, some beer, laughing, joking, and beautiful naked women walking around you doesn't hurt either. Sometimes the bowling alley, shooting hoops, going to a ball game or playing madden on ps3 just doesn't get it done. Nothing wrong with looking and not touching, especially if you have someone at home. I agree, I don't understand how it becomes a every weekend event, I guess it's a thing for the younger crowd, and those who have nothing better to do with their money. Sorry, but the 1 or 2 tx's a yr that I do go, I go with $50, $10 for the cover $21 for 3 beers, and $19 in singles for the girls....Now that's how I roll....truly big ballin!!

Artist: Dr. John
Song: Right Place Wrong Time

I been in the right place
But it must have been the wrong time
I'd of said the right thing
But I must have used the wrong line
I been in the right trip
But I must have used the wrong car
My head was in a bad place
And I'm wondering what it's good for

I been the right place
But it must have been the wrong time
My head was in a place
But I'm having such a good time
I been running trying to get hung up in my mind
Got to give myself a little talking to this time

Just need a little brain salad surgery
Got to cure this insecurity
I been in the wrong place
But it must have been the right time
I been in the right place
But it must have been the wrong song
I been in the right vein
But it seems like the wrong arm
I been in the right world
But it seems wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong

Slipping, dodging ,sneaking
Creeping hiding out down the street
See me life shaking with every who I meet
Refried confusion is making itself clear
Wonder which way do I go to get on out of here

I been in the right place
But it must have been the wrong time
I'd have said the right thing
But I must have used the wrong line
I'd a took the right road
But I must have took a wrong turn
Would have made the right move
But I made it at the wrong time
I been on the right road
But I must have used the wrong car
My head was in a good place
And I wonder what it's bad for

Until there is more proof Pacman was actually involved, it's off to the Rumor Mill.

Wow, when does it stop?

True, we don't know what happened, we don't know if he was actually at a strip club yet, but come on! If he was at a strip club, it's pretty stupid. Once again, when you're in his situation, QUIT GOING OUT! Have people over, have strippers over, but QUIT GOING OUT!

If he'll never learn, he doesn't deserve to come back.

The problem is that there are grown men who think it is cool to strut around in groups, and go armed cruising in SUVs.

That kind of thing is what kids do in high school.



:yes:

he's lucky .... by my count, AJ has been involved in incdents 3 times where gunfire was inolved. He's lucky to still be alive

however, it doesn't sound like these "thugs" are very good shots.

Even if he is cleared of any criminal activity in this case, the fact is that he just doesn't get it. He lied to Goodell (he told him he was imposing a curfew on himself, yet he's out until 4 a.m. at strip clubs). He clearly has no intention of reforming himself or leaving behind his thug friends.

He'll never play for the Titans again. Hopefully he never plays for any NFL team again.

Didn't think I would be dusting this GIF off so soon, not meant as a flame, just to try an inject a little humor into an other wise apparently dismal situation.

http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k131/whutaboutbob/pacmanstolemybikegodell.gif

Didn't think I would be dusting this GIF off so soon,
Oh I think most people knew you would.
Keep it handy...

Another Episode On The Life Of A Thug Name Pacman Jones!! What An Idiot I Guess You Can Take A Thug Out Of Tha Hood, But Ya Can't Take The Hood Out Of A Thug!! Oh Well We Should Be Used To His Antics By Now.. Wow What A Way To Throw Life And Success Away!!:bully:

I foresee the Titans going after pro-rated signing bonus after he gets banned for life from the NFL.

Not only will he be unable to play football, but he will be broke again.

Anyone else hoping that this was another bumped thread?


Welcome to the Arena League Pacman.

lol This is just getting funny now. This has happened to much to be sad about.

Freakin a few weeks away from possibly getting the suspension reduced and he does this.

HAH

Sports Center said he wasn't present when the shooting occurred.

Suspended NFL player Adam "Pacman" Jones was being sought by police for questioning about a shooting early Monday involving members of his entourage after a fight at an Atlanta strip club. ...more (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2907734&campaign=rss&source=NFLHeadlines)

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Toledo said Jones was not present when the shots were fired.

"We believe he knows some of his entourage who were involved in the shooting," Toledo said. "On himself, we do not have any charges on him. He wasn't there when the shooting occurred."

That's Not News Anymore For Tn Fans!!

Sports Center said he wasn't present when the shooting occurred.


HE IS GONE, GONE !! CFL, ARENA FOOTBALL, HERE I COME HEY RICKY CAN I HANG OUT WITH YOU PLEASE SMOKE SOME OF THAT CRONIC!!

If that's true, the best thing he could do for himself is turn on his "friends" and get them locked up. What are the chances of that happening, though?

wow, me and my friend were talking about this yesterday... we were like, how hard is it to not do something illegal??

What did Pacman do in this situation that was illegal?

Yet in a day or so it will be reported he shot the guh.

*sigh*

Even if he wasn't there at the time of the shooting, the writing is on the wall and there's a giant spotlight pointed at it. Pacman is not willing to leave his thug friends and the thug lifestyle behind. At some point, he will be caught doing something illegal and will be suspended for life/cut by the Titans/in jail/dead.

We have to get ready to move on.

What did Pacman do in this situation that was illegal?

I dunno, threaten someone's life, then tell someone to shoot someone? Sound familiar? cough cough, Las Vegas. I'm thinking that's illegal.

Just a guess. No proof, of course. I hope it's not true.

Only evidence that Pac was associated appears to be allegations from the boyz that were "shot at". Discerning minds should want more evidence than that before reacting.

MODS- Thanks for putting this thread where it belongs.

If that's true, the best thing he could do for himself is turn on his "friends" and get them locked up. What are the chances of that happening, though?

Worked for Ray Ray.

Who cares if he broke the law or not??? He shouldn't be there!!!! That's the point... I would be very surprised if he ever wears a Titans jersey again. He can't stay out of trouble... Not now, not ever. He has been a complete disappointment since we drafted him and you'd think that, by now, he would figure out that he simply can't go and do the same things that he's always done. I really thought that he learned his lesson and was trying to change his life for football. It's obvious he has ZERO self disapline and he can't control his own actions.... What an idiot!

Worked for Ray Ray.

True... here's to hoping. If only Pac were more like Ray Lewis :rolleyes: Can't believe I just said that.

Who cares if he broke the law or not??? He shouldn't be there!!!! That's the point... I would be very surprised if he ever wears a Titans jersey again. He can't stay out of trouble... Not now, not ever. He has been a complete disappointment since we drafted him and you'd think that, by now, he would figure out that he simply can't go and do the same things that he's always done. I really thought that he learned his lesson and was trying to change his life for football. It's obvious he has ZERO self disapline and he can't control his own actions.... What an idiot!

I don't disagree with what you are saying. Let's make sure that HE WAS involved as has been alleged BEFORE reacting.

Doesn't matter much. He told Goddell that he would stop clubbing. There was also talk about a 1am curfew, right? I'm not sure if that ever went through. But Pacman has been telling Gooddell that he's cleaning up his act. If he was even AT that club late into the night, he's screwed.

If he has any connection to this what so ever, then I think he needs to be gone. But, I have to agree with Riverman, in that we should at least let the police do their work to insure that he did or didnt have anything to do with it before we start jumping to conclusions.

....He told Goddell that he would stop clubbing. ..

He did?

Read this ESPN link:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2907734

Interesting quote:

"We believe he knows some of his entourage who were involved in the shooting. On himself, we do not have any charges on him. He wasn't there when the shooting occurred. " [Police officer Ariel Toledo]

I'm not even certain if Pac owned the car from which the alleged shots arose. It does report that there was gunfire from BOTH vehicles. It to me like Pac left the group long before any of this stuff went down.

It opens up the argument again as to whether or not an employer can tell you what you can do with your social life (as long as you do it legally).

He did?

Read this ESPN link:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2907734

Interesting quote:

"We believe he knows some of his entourage who were involved in the shooting. On himself, we do not have any charges on him. He wasn't there when the shooting occurred. " [Police officer Ariel Toledo]

I'm not even certain if Pac owned the car from which the alleged shots arose. It does report that there was gunfire from BOTH vehicles. It to me like Pac left the group long before any of this stuff went down.

It opens up the argument again as to whether or not an employer can tell you what you can do with your social life (as long as you do it legally).


Well they can when it effects your work. And Pac has a year suspension, and has been suspended at least 1 game in his first two seasons so far. So when your behavior patterns end up causing your work to slip, then they can most certainly tell you how to behave or to hit the door. And I think that is kind of the situation we are getting with Pac. We need more info on this specific case, but if he is associated with these guys at all, then it becomes obvious that he doesnt take football or his career seriously IMO.

I've defended Pacman in the past, but if it turns out that he was indeed at the club and involved in a fight in the early morning, that later lead to a shooting involving friends of his, then I could care less if he was there during the shooting or not. He's been suspended for a season, told he needed to clean up his life, he himself has proclaimed he was about to and yet within weeks he is supposedly out clubbing late and getting involved in a fight again...

He's trying to keep his title as King of the Morons...

This is sounding all too much like the Las Vegas incident. "let's wait to see this, Judicial process that, etc..etc.." Like everyone is saying, more than ever it's not about guilt or innocence. I am pissed off that he was even out at that time of night and possibly at a strip club. Frankly, in terms of him playing football, it matters little if he actally was there when shots were fired, b/c we have to now start looking at this thing like the powers that be Adams, Fish, Reindfelt, and most importantly Goodell. Seeing it from that prespective then if he was out at that tme of night, actually clubbin, and hangin, then he deserves whatever happens to him. He hung himself out to dry with the speeches, full page articles, "I'm changed this, reponsibility to my teammates that", he has set the bar of expectation by every last one of those words, and by him Chillin at the club yet again, he would have proved himself to be inexcuseably full of SH-T!!

But just for the record, I am Pro Pacman and I hope this was a bunch of Garbage, and that he was nowhere near the incident.

We will survive without him, but we will be damn good and so much better with him.

In the court of public opinion, this was probably his death nail. Unfortunately in our society, this is how things work.

I never liked him as a person, from what I read, but I thought he was a heck of a player for you guys. In my humble opinion, I would not worry about it that much if I were you guys/gals. It would seem to me that your team, owner, and coach have already moved on and planned to play without him on your team.

Good luck.

Hey Pac...

http://cache.jalopnik.com/cars/images/moron.jpg

Just because you happen to be the richest or most known celebrity in the crowd doesn't mean everyone who claims to be rolling with you is in your "entourage".

People started arguing and acting a fool. Pac saw how things were going, got in his vehicle with the people he was hanging out with and LEFT. He never said that he was going to get a gun. The fools in the other cars who "claimed" they were with Pac are responsible for their own actions.

Sadly, in this case, Pac was targeted. He's been hanging out in Atlanta for months without anything happening.

Last nail in P-thug's coffin as a Titan and hopefully a NFL player. Good riddance.:grrr:

Its time for this guy to go. Carlos Mencia says it best, "DEE DEE DEE!!" :hang:

Just because you happen to be the richest or most known celebrity in the crowd doesn't mean everyone who claims to be rolling with you is in your "entourage".

People started arguing and acting a fool. Pac saw how things were going, got in his vehicle with the people he was hanging out with and LEFT. He never said that he was going to get a gun. The fools in the other cars who "claimed" they were with Pac are responsible for their own actions.

Sadly, in this case, Pac was targeted. He's been hanging out in Atlanta for months without anything happening.

Even if so, when you have tens of millions of dollars on the line and you continue to hurt your chances by going to clubs and finding trouble (or having it find you), when do you decide not to go to clubs?

In the court of public opinion, this was probably his death nail. Unfortunately in our society, this is how things work.

I never liked him as a person, from what I read, but I thought he was a heck of a player for you guys. In my humble opinion, I would not worry about it that much if I were you guys/gals. It would seem to me that your team, owner, and coach have already moved on and planned to play without him on your team.

Good luck.
Don't believe everything you read. From being around him and interacting with Pac, he's a nice guy. He is always there for his friends, he would ride for his true friends. He is an amazing Father to his little girl. He has a great sense of humor and i like him.

His closest friends have been encouraging him to just stay in the house or choose the places that he hangs out very carefully. When he's been out with my people, there's never an incident. Of course, I don't hang out in strip clubs in questionable areas of town! Well, there was this time at Body Tap.:irked:

I've not read anything in this incident that indicates to me that Pac wasn't for real in all of his recent statements.

EM53- I'll say it again. Pac needs a good woman to keep his head on straight.

IMO, it would have been a lot better for Pac if Goodell had allowed Pac to continue to train/practice with the team. I'm becoming more convinced that Pac won't ever perform to the same level he did last year. He just can't seem to wise up.

I've not read anything in this incident that indicates to me that Pac wasn't for real in all of his recent statements.

Just curious, If he was indeed at the club even if he was just chillin, does that not discount anything he said about being MORE responsible, and LEAVING his old friends and BAD influences behind him??

Jesus. I can't believe it.

Can the Titans be penalized for this?

This is almost an identical situation to the Vegas incident.

WHY IS HE STILL GOING TO STRIP CLUBS UNTIL 4AM WITH THE SAME A**HOLES??????!!!

I was hoping he would be able to chill at home and play xbox or whatever thugs do when they arent causing trouble...but i guess i was wrong :suspect:

Pacman....you're fired!

"The agent for Adam "Pacman" Jones called me at 10:32 a.m. Monday morning to deliver this quote from the suspended Tennessee Titans cornerback. "Any reports of my involvement in any strip club or shooting incident are completely false and untrue. I wasn't at a strip club nor was I involved in any way." The agent's name is Michael Huyghue.

Early Monday morning some media outlets tied Jones' name into an incident at a strip club on Moreland avenue. Shots were fired during an altercation.

I'm not here to defend Pacman Jones but he deserves an honest effort to determine the facts before his name is connected to the story. "


http://www.11alive.com/sports/columnist/blogs/blog_entry.aspx?storyid=98780

I'm through defending this piece of crap. This is beyond ridiculous.

Jesus. I can't believe it.

Can the Titans be penalized for this?

They already are being penalized because of his dumb butt being dumb. If he would choose to be a man and be the NFL representative he is supposed to be I wouldn't have a problem with him. He's a "Thug" though and he needs to go back to the hood because obviously he can't handle money or responsibility very well at all. As far as him being a dad, that's great but your kids end up being more like what they see their parents doing than they do being like they tell them to be. Time to cut him and be done with it because you can't rebuild with this kinda crap on your team. Kinda crazy we wanted to keep Pac opposed to our leading rusher last season.

Well what the faulk was he there or not

Well what the faulk was he there or not

Even if he wasn't, just being linked to the people is bad enough. I guess when it rains it pours on Pacman.

This is almost an identical situation to the Vegas incident.

WHY IS HE STILL GOING TO STRIP CLUBS UNTIL 4AM WITH THE SAME A**HOLES??????!!!

I was hoping he would be able to chill at home and play xbox or whatever thugs do when they arent causing trouble...but i guess i was wrong :suspect:

Pacman....you're fired!
Oh STOP! That boy has been going out for months and he wasn't out with his old crew that you refer to as a**holes!

so he found new *******s to hang out with?

Oh STOP! That boy has been going out for months and he wasn't out with his old crew that you refer to as a**holes!

Whether or not they are the same, exact folks....i think we can all agree that these fools shooting guns that Pacman was hanging out with are a**holes.

http://thesportshernia.typepad.com/blog/images/pacman_jones.jpg

Hey guys... Wanna Get High?

Well, we at least know this will end up a Federal investigation. Atlanta cops will do nothing for two or three months. And Pac man's thuggery must qualify for interstate commerce by now.

Pacman Jones:

1. Arrested for Assault and Vandalism July of 2005

2.Confrontation with police results in his questioning September 2005

3.October 2005, violation of probation, failure to meet with officer results in an extension of that probation

4. February 2006: charged with felony and misdemeanor obstruction of justice (him and a friend ran from the police after Jones was "physical" with them).

5. March 2006: arrested and charged with marijuana possession.

6. Arrested for PI and disorderly conduct August 2006

7. Spit in a woman's face, cited with misdemeanor assault October 2006

8. February 2007 (allegedly) bangs a stripper's head against the stage after he causes a rukus by throwing cash onto said stage. When a security guard comes to calm the situation down, Pacman (allegedly) bites him. Someone (allegedly) seen with Pacman ends up paralyzing Tommy Urzbanski with a bullet. In March the LVPD inform the District Attorney to charge Pacman with felony coercion.

9. As a footnote, April of this year Jones met with the Commissioner to discuss his behavior, admitted to Roger Goodell that he needed to shape up and said he was reforming by avoiding "nightclub" scene. When Goodell asked Pacman when the last time he was at a strip club, Jones sheepishly admitted that it was the previous evening. Nice one, Pac. April, 2007.

10. As an additional footnote, Pacman recently violated league mandated curfew by getting pulled over going 24 miles over the speed limit at 12:45 AM this May. 2007

11. Atlanta Police would like to question Pac Man regarding shooting resulting from an argument at an Atlanta Strip Club. June, 2007.

12. ?

Quite a list.

Suspended NFL player Adam "Pacman" Jones was being sought by police for questioning about a shooting early Monday involving members of his entourage after a fight at an Atlanta strip club. ...more (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2907734&campaign=rss&source=NFLHeadlines)

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2 more incidents and it will be a career year for Pac Man. Wait until he is a contract year, we are going to pay.

I don't really care if he was targeted or not.

Even going to a BMF hang-out means he doesn't understand how he has to act if he wants to play in the NFL.

What happened to having an off duty cop around as a "bodyguard" and credible witness?

It doesn't take much good judgment to avoid the appearance of misconduct.
Does Adam Jones even have that bare minimum of judgment?

Great player, but out of control personal life.

Well, about 12 posts ago there is a quote from Pac's agent saying he wasn't there...

Yet in all but one or two posts after it people are still talking as if he has been charged and convicted...

Take what they say, I really doubt there are going to say something as concrete as him never being at a strip club, if he was truly there

Well, about 12 posts ago there is a quote from Pac's agent saying he wasn't there...

Yet in all but one or two posts after it people are still talking as if he has been charged and convicted...

Take what they say, I really doubt there are going to say something as concrete as him never being at a strip club, if he was truly there

He may be innocent, hell I don't know. Nor do I care. You have a guy who simply does not get it. Right now, calling Pacman Jones an idiot would be a compliment. Why are we considered to be jumping all over him if he said four incidents ago that this kind of stuff wasn't going to happen anymore? Are we wrong for trying to hold Pacman up to his word?

Reckon I'm to Old School. What is it with this child and strip clubs? We need to get this kid some whoopy. Or we need to get him a woman that will keep this dog on the porch! Sounds like his hormones is out weighing his sense of what's right.
He gets into trouble in a Vegas strip club. On his way to NY to try to explain himself to the Commish, he gets caught there in another strip club. Now he's busted again in yet another strip club. Not the sharpest tool in the tool shed. In his shoes, I would be content with some whoopy on the side while counting my millions and buying Hummers and houses.

If I Had All The Money He Has, I Would Have Open My Own Club And Hire My Own Stripers For My Delight! Screw Going To Some Other Club And Getting In To Trouble.. But He Is An Idiot!!

http://www.11alive.com/sports/columnist/blogs/blog_entry.aspx?storyid=98780

I don't know what to make of this. If Pacman is really claiming that he was NEVER there, then why hasn't this made more media outlets?

Three possible scenarios here

1. He was NEVER AT THE STRIP CLUB.

2. He was at the Strip club but left at a reasonable hour and the entire incident is related to things that occured after he left.

3. He was at the strip club, left in a different vehicle while his buddies went on their shooting expedition.


Scenario 1 - A reminder to Pac of how much his name will be dragged through the mud. Still a chance at returning after week 10.

Scenario 2 - Say goodbye 2007. Say goodbye to Tennessee. Another team may take a flier on him next year.

Scenario 3 - Goodbye to the NFL. Enjoy as many strip clubs as you like. (actually, this may be his preferred outcome)

Pacman Jones:

1. Arrested for Assault and Vandalism July of 2005

2.Confrontation with police results in his questioning September 2005

3.October 2005, violation of probation, failure to meet with officer results in an extension of that probation

4. February 2006: charged with felony and misdemeanor obstruction of justice (him and a friend ran from the police after Jones was "physical" with them).

5. March 2006: arrested and charged with marijuana possession.

6. Arrested for PI and disorderly conduct August 2006

7. Spit in a woman's face, cited with misdemeanor assault October 2006

8. February 2007 (allegedly) bangs a stripper's head against the stage after he causes a rukus by throwing cash onto said stage. When a security guard comes to calm the situation down, Pacman (allegedly) bites him. Someone (allegedly) seen with Pacman ends up paralyzing Tommy Urzbanski with a bullet. In March the LVPD inform the District Attorney to charge Pacman with felony coercion.

9. As a footnote, April of this year Jones met with the Commissioner to discuss his behavior, admitted to Roger Goodell that he needed to shape up and said he was reforming by avoiding "nightclub" scene. When Goodell asked Pacman when the last time he was at a strip club, Jones sheepishly admitted that it was the previous evening. Nice one, Pac. April, 2007.

10. As an additional footnote, Pacman recently violated league mandated curfew by getting pulled over going 24 miles over the speed limit at 12:45 AM this May. 2007

11. Atlanta Police would like to question Pac Man regarding shooting resulting from an argument at an Atlanta Strip Club. June, 2007.

12. ?

Does this list include the 'mishap' he had here in Nashvilles 815 Club? (I think I had the right club name).

Yep, it isn't a matter of him being charged or convicted.
It never was about that.

I doubt that it is hormones that gets him out in the clubs. I suspect it is more of a desire for the "hip-hop lifestyle."

A need to be seen, and be respected by an element of the population that no one with a clue would care about.

What about the Titans. What can they do? This is a question for the know-it-all-about-football guys;
If the Titans release Pacman, other than voiding his contract, can they get back some of their money?
If Pacman gets thrown out of the NFL, any chance for a comp pick in the 08 draft?

What I want to know is why haven't the Titans hired a Director of Stripper Development???!! They have a lot of money and a high draft pick invested in Jones, you think they would want to protect their assets.

Assets being the key word...

Titans got a big old asset - oh yea

anybody still defending this clown?

anybody still defending this clown?

I'm waiting to hear if he really wasn't ever there - as he reportedly claims. If so, I'll still defend certain allegations against him - since over 1/2 of the accusations from Vegas have turned out to be untrue. If he was there, I give up... get him out of the league. He either can't change or he won't. Don't care which it is.

pfft!

why would you wait to hear all the facts to pass judgement?! that's unheard of!

What about the Titans. What can they do? This is a question for the know-it-all-about-football guys;
If the Titans release Pacman, other than voiding his contract, can they get back some of their money?
If Pacman gets thrown out of the NFL, any chance for a comp pick in the 08 draft?

The Titans, and true fans, have a vested interest in seeing Adam Jone banned for life rather than being allowed to continue his career on another team.
And I think it likely at this point.

When the contract was negotiated, there were several "conduct clauses" that went beyond the usual rookie contract.
They should be able to get back a major fraction of the signing bonus money, if he ends up getting kicked out of the league.

pfft!

why would you wait to hear all the facts to pass judgement?! that's unheard of!

Pacman pays me to go on these boards and support him... what's a guy to do? :gag:

anybody still defending this clown?

I might defend him when something credible regarding this current incident is reported/confirmed.

Apparently, that hasn't stopped some posters from judging him.

STOP. THINK.

It may be the only thing he is guilty of is being the subject of a confabulation or "smear" attack.

If something comes out that is credible or his presence was confirmed, then it is time to be having all of this discussion.

pfft!

why would you wait to hear all the facts to pass judgement?! that's unheard of!

I've said many times that I'm more than willing to wait until facts come out in these cases with adam, and that on here I'm mostly making statements with the caveat that "if these things are true". However, we rarely get conclusive evidence on any of these incidences. I reserve the right to judge pacman based on the fact that he can't figure out how to get his name out of the paper. Whether or not he's EVER shot at anyone, or asked anyone to shoot at anyone, or ever possessed or done any type of drug, I still think it's ok to think he's an idiot. He's a member of a team I support, and he's taken several actions that are not smart given his situation. I'm more than happy to pass judgment on those facts, while waiting to see if he's guilty of any actual crimes.

The Titans, and true fans, have a vested interest in seeing Adam Jone banned for life rather than being allowed to continue his career on another team.

so now some of us aren't true fans? good to see i've wasted my time watching the nfl for the past 19 years.

What I want to know is why haven't the Titans hired a Director of Stripper Development???!! They have a lot of money and a high draft pick invested in Jones, you think they would want to protect their assets.
Could be the Titans have already decided they don't want him back, and are waiting to see how best to get rid of him and still recoup what they've invested already.

so now some of us aren't true fans? good to see i've wasted my time watching the nfl for the past 19 years.

:werd:

that was downright dumb.

Even if he wasn't, just being linked to the people is bad enough. I guess when it rains it pours on Pacman.

:rolleyes:

let's link him to every unknown crime in the world. I mean apparently it doesn't matter if he was there anymore.

What did Pacman do in this situation that was illegal?


After the argument, witnesses overheard Jones, a Clayton County native, said he was going to get a gun, police said.

Brilliant!

Pac....just say no to stripclubs. They are not kind to you. Invite a stripper to your house......stopping going to the Strip Club!!!!!!!!

Well, so much for Adam's endorsement deal with Disney.

I'm going to patent the phrase, Pac Man is a person of interest, and reap the rewards.

After the argument, witnesses overheard Jones, a Clayton County native, said he was going to get a gun, police said.

Brilliant!
"We believe he knows some of his entourage who were involved in the shooting," Toledo said. "On himself, we do not have any charges on him. He wasn't there when the shooting occurred."

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2908112

http://tennessean.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070618/NEWS03/70618003

Oh I'm sure choirboy Pac is yet the victim again...:rolleyes:


Possibly, considering he wasnt there when shots were fired, even the police came out and said that, but of course this guy wont take responsibility when hes convered in the "blame Pac" blanket that the media and the NFL has created

so now some of us aren't true fans? good to see i've wasted my time watching the nfl for the past 19 years.

True fans of the Titans do not want to see a talented player like Adam Jones end up playing on another team.

What does that have to do with you watching football for 19 years?

I prefer the True or False Titan Fan. They have a 50/50 chance of being right.

:wave:
can we get a do-over on his pick??

:rolleyes:

let's link him to every unknown crime in the world. I mean apparently it doesn't matter if he was there anymore.

His own credibility can be and has been ruined by the people he has hung around. That's why he needs to grow up or he's gonna be gone from the league.

Let's see....he is linked to a crime in Las Vegas at a strip club where it's believed members of his entourage were involved in a shooting. Now he is being sought for questioning, because it's believed a member of his entourage fired shots after leaving a strip club. Yes, this is the new Pacman, dedicated to improving his life, and showing Goodell he is a changed man. 10 game suspension if he acts properly.....lmao. He will be lucky to ever play in the NFL again. I believe Bud has already crossed him off, and if you think about it, what team would take a chance on someone like this? Such a waste of talent. Those defending him can use a technicality to say he wasn't really there when the shooting happened, but the fact is he was way past his self-imposed curfew, and threatened to go get a gun. This is how a mature person resolves problems? Anyone with the slightest hope that this guy is going to fix his life in the near future is living in denial. He can't even tow the line when his job and career are at stake. It's really sad that it means more to him to throw money at some stripper that wouldn't give him the time of day without it, that it does for him to be a member of the Titans. This guy sickens me. Now the only time the Titans are mentioned in the media is from the antics of this guy. Even Fisher seemed distant about him when interviewed. I firmly believe Bud has told him that Pac is gone.

but the fact is he was way past his self-imposed curfew, and threatened to go get a gun.
:rolleyes:

it's hardly a fact. just like it was a fact until about two weeks ago that he bit someone in vegas, only for DNA to come back negative.

why do i have a feeling that Pac is at the strip club right now???:suspect:

It's too early. He should get there about 4 am.

he might be there now...

I've said it 1,000 times:

STAY OUT OF THE CLUBS YOU MORON.

Is it that hard to do? Let's see, EVERY time you've been in trouble it was in a club. So what's the smart move? What would any half intelligent person do?
He's too damned stupid to help himself. It doesn't matter if he's guilty of shooting. He's guilty of being illegally stupid. Because I'm sure there is a law as to how stupid a human is allowed to be, and he's breaking it.

http://www.ajc.com/multimedia/content/multimedia/video/index.html?clip=20666

Here's a news clip with one of the "Victims" speaking about what happened.

Sounds suspect to me, but then again, I'm biased. I really want to believe that Pacman had nothing to do with this. Besides, I know if someone starts blazin on me, I am not sticking my head up to see who it is doing the shooting. Sure, he may have been threatened at the club by Pac, but he surely didn't see who did the shooting.

Look at all the bullet holes in the car, this easily could have been a murder investigation. Again, if he was at the club, Pac has got to be the biggest fool, in the NFL at this time and I'm sorry, but I like the kid, but I can't get his back this time. What the hell is wrong with the movies, dinner, bowling, gun range...ooops, for get that one...Ball game, Atlanta Aquarium, Six Flags, Mini Golf, the mall, comedy club..Or any of the other 1000 thingst here is to do here in Atlanta that "Normal People" do.

If I were him I'd hire a House Arrest company and use the latest GPS receivers to monitor my whereabouts, and times I get in and out of the house and have them fax the reports over to Adams, Fish, and Goodell everyday.

so its officially not a rumor anymore..

http://www.tennessean.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070619/SPORTS01/706190377

I wonder What fish meant by saying: "I don't know whether it's true or not, but to me I have moved on," Fisher said. "If it's true it's Pac's issue. If it's not true it's Pac's issue. It's no longer our issue. We have moved on and we will wait to see what happens."

If i had to guess, i'd say Fish was hinting that him and pac have parted ways, and Pac will soon no longer affiliated with the club.

that didn't really tell us anything new.

I think the reason it is in the rumor mill is doubt as to Pac's involvement as the original article on the first post stated.

so its officially not a rumor anymore..

http://www.tennessean.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070619/SPORTS01/706190377

I wonder What fish meant by saying:

If i had to guess, i'd say Fish was hinting that him and pac have parted ways, and Pac will soon no longer affiliated with the club.

Dude- I saw that and was about to post the same thing. Fisher is done with him. I'm reading that Pac doesn't start ANY next year EVEN if he comes back after 10 games.

I think this is the best approach by Fisher to limit Pac being a distraction for the team. Just the fact that he WAS at the club at some point that evening/morning WILL be enough for Goodell to keep him out for the year and probably more. The only way he can get through this incident is to FINGER a trigger man whether he knows something or not. He won't do it because of some stupid "street ethic" of which he can't let go.

http://rhapody2000.free.fr/images/wallpapers/Forest%20Gump.jpg

"Stupid is as stupid does."


FOLKS- PAC IS DONE. TIME TO MOVE ON.

FOLKS- PAC IS DONE. TIME TO MOVE ON.

I've finally given up on him. Very disappointing.:irked:

Hanging out with low life people is a violation of parole for convicted criminals. Undesirables and known felons?

Jeff put this in the rumor mill so it is not fact that shots were fired and pac was wanted for questioning? It is fact! Not a damn rumor.

He doesn't get it and never will. After all that has happened he still hangs out in these places with those people. Among his entourage are still people who are willing to use armed force when provoked. It is only a matter of time when someone gets killed. We have already seen someone paralyzed.

We are talking about 5 incidences a year that involves this guy and or his buddies. He can't stop it, will never stop it so write him off in your minds because i doubt he ever plays another game in a titan uniform again..

FOLKS- PAC IS DONE. TIME TO MOVE ON.
I quit having faith in Pacman some time ago.

not really sure this is rumor mill material anymore.

Forget being at the shooting, unfortunately in the big picture, that's a microcosm. It's hard to have his back when news like this is flying around. Only if he wasn't at the strip club at all that evening, then I'm still a supporter. If it turns out that he was even at the club that night then it is painfully obvious that he hasn't learned his lesson, and I just can't have his back anymore.

Jeff put this in the rumor mill so it is not fact that shots were fired and pac was wanted for questioning? It is fact! Not a damn rumor.

I'll help you out here since reading and comprehension is apparently beneath you.

Until there is more proof Pacman was actually involved, it's off to the Rumor Mill.

It's not so hard once you read it is it?

This should have not been in the rumor mill in the first place. It was not speculated or rumored that the police wanted to speak with Pac, that has always been a fact. As to his level of involvement, if any at all, remains to be seen.

This should have not been in the rumor mill in the first place. It was not speculated or rumored that the police wanted to speak with Pac, that has always been a fact. As to his level of involvement, if any at all, remains to be seen.

read the original article.

that is why it was put in the rumor mill.

The title of the thread was even changed.

read the original article.

that is why it was put in the rumor mill.


That wasn't why I started this thread. I was surprised that the kid was wanted for questioning in relation to a shooting, again, that was a fact, not a rumor.

First line of the article said it all

"Troubled NFL star Adam "Pacman" Jones may be involved in a shooting early Monday at a DeKalb County strip club, WSB-TV reported."

Key word is may be involved. Thus it is speculation.

And what is the difference whether it is in the rumor mill or NFL Talk?

No big difference, just splitting hairs....lol

I quit having faith in Pacman some time ago.

not really sure this is rumor mill material anymore.

I haven't lost faith in Pac. I never lose faith in any person. I believe he WILL at some point have that revelation/maturation/ "mountain top" insight. Unfortunately it will be too late for his financial situation.

I am a realist, however, regarding his professional situation. Fisher has made his statement of disassociation with Pac public. Pac has garnered more national attention that has verified his presence at a strip club. He just blew what appears to be his last chance at salvaging any positive PR by even BEING at the strip club. I 100% believe he had NOTHING to do with guys shooting at each other. It doesn't matter.

I can only see one way- the "Ray-Ray" way to get anybody believing him again. He has to publicly demonstrate his committment to dissociating from the "shooting-type" buds with who he hangs. He needs to FINGER somebody to the cops. I don't see him doing it.

Gunny,

Is that Rosario Dawson in your avatar ?? If so, what movie was that from?

I agree this should be moved out rumor mill now.

Gunny,

Is that Rosario Dawson in your avatar ?? If so, what movie was that from?

Yes, and I am not sure. Someone posted it in one of the threads in the lounge and I made it into an avatar.

Probably called bounce or something. lol.

Gunny,

Is that Rosario Dawson in your avatar ?? If so, what movie was that from?


Its from Clerks II I believe.

http://crnano.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/pacman.JPG

You can hardly blame Pacman in all of this. Someone keeps putting the cherries in strip clubs. That's 50 points dammit.

There aren't any cherries in a strip club.



(somebody had to say it):rolleyes:

Boom Boom...........

so its officially not a rumor anymore..
"We are looking into it," Aiello said Monday. "We don't know what the facts are at this point."

Beyond the fact Pacman was at the club, the rest remains unknown.

Beyond the fact Pacman was at the club, the rest remains unknown.

Technically that still hasn't been established as a fact, has it?

Technically that still hasn't been established as a fact, has it?

Yes. Arora confirmed in a statement I heard on Sirius NFL this AM that Pac was at the club but neither his car or his friends were involved with the shooting.

I'm tired of this benefit of the doubt crap. It it walks and quacks like a duck odds are it's a duck. Jones has a record a mile long. I'm sick of him and his so called "incidents". I respect Fisher for his words. I'm going to do my best to move on with or with out the facts.

I'm tired of this benefit of the doubt crap. It it walks and quacks like a duck odds are it's a duck. Jones has a record a mile long. I'm sick of him and his so called "incidents". I respect Fisher for his words. I'm going to do my best to move on with or with out the facts.
:truedat:

I'm sick of hearing about him doing stupid stuff
big deal someone asked your woman to dance
what do you expect in that establishment at that time of night
get over it and move on
don't do a drive by
Adam is an idiot
whether he's guilty of any of this, he's still an idiot
he should know by now, that he has a huge bullseye on his back
yet he continues to walk out onto the range
stupid is as stupid does

I've got to admit I'm completely tired of spending energy dissecting fact from fiction with Pac. I'll always champion due process and justice, but I'm sick of doing it every flippin time I hear Pac is involved. It doesn't take much to avoid getting targeted.

Stupid is as stupid does.

Now there's the rationality that makes you credible, riverman. Thanks for admitting that you're human.

I can agree with holding off judgment on specific incidents, but d@mn, this guy has shown us nothing but stupid, stupid choices.

I've got to admit I'm completely tired of spending energy dissecting fact from fiction with Pac. I'll always champion due process and justice, but I'm sick of doing it every flippin time I hear Pac is involved. It doesn't take much to avoid getting targeted.

Stupid is as stupid does.
Isn't that the truth?

I was thinking it was time to write a blog on the latest Pac issue. But what, at this point, hasn't been beaten to death?

Frankly, the best thing that can happen is the guy crawls under a rock until the 10th game of the season. I'd love to hear he's gone to Tibet to train with monks for the next five months.

Any excitement which is generated over at Baptist Sports Park gets tarnished by this guy and ready to put the word "Pacman" in the forum censor.

I'd love to hear he's gone to Tibet to train with monks for the next five months.

Does Tibet have strip clubs?

Does Tibet have strip clubs?
Only for Yaks.

Frankly, the best thing that can happen is the guy crawls under a rock until the 10th game of the season. I'd love to hear he's gone to Tibet to train with monks for the next five months.

Or sponsor a children's festival downtown, with balloons and clowns and one of those money-grabbing machines where they give you a jacket with pockets to grab as much cash as you can while the money gets blown around.

Put him in Big Brother. He can be watched 24/7, no homies and more importantly, can't leave.

Put him in Big Brother. He can be watched 24/7, no homies and more importantly, can't leave.

He'll just have a party at the house. Then there will be a shooting.

Hell, this would have been perfect....

http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/7013/dispimagemi5.th.jpg (http://img403.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dispimagemi5.jpg)

Why wasen't he enrolled in summer session at WVU working on his degree,
like he said he was going to do?

And,
someone asked his girl to dance with them at a strip club?
I thought the only dancing done at a strip club was by the professionals.

Ben Roethlisberger was nearly killed on a motorcycle.
Adam Jones was nearly killed at strip club.

Ben Roethlisberger doesn't ride motorcycles anymore.

why is that? :suspect:

Ben Roethlisberger was nearly killed on a motorcycle.
Adam Jones was nearly killed at strip club.

Ben Roethlisberger doesn't ride motorcycles anymore.

why is that? :suspect:

Maybe because Ben Roethlisberger actually has a clue? Just an assumption.

Why wasen't he enrolled in summer session at WVU working on his degree,
like he said he was going to do?

And,
someone asked his girl to dance with them at a strip club?
I thought the only dancing done at a strip club was by the professionals.

1. He changed his tune and said he wanted to take classes "on-line".
2. I suspect this dude asked the chick with Pac's entourage to dance FOR him not with him.


You can cut it a hundred different ways but it is still a turd in the middle.

PAC IS DONE.

http://www.youtube.com/v/sy4eDJgIvKc

^ you know once is enough.

^ you know once is enough.
Then maybe we should merge all these Pacman threads then...

btw big guy... I've got an argument to take up with you in Smack Central... nothing personal of course, you're my boy and all... It's just I think your whole perception of Pacman at this point (and I stress that) is flawed and yellow. That innocent until proven guilty stuff is weak. It's so tired and weak it's classified as total BS. It makes you sound like an apologist.
:yes:

Perception is subjective, innocent until proven guilty is the law. Plain and simple.

Perception is subjective, innocent until proven guilty is the law. Plain and simple.

Maybe so, but perception still holds a lot of weight in the eyes of the public. I certainly agree he should be treated innocent until proven guilty from a legal standpoint, but the public or corporate response to him has nothing to do with the law.

Maybe so, but perception still holds a lot of weight in the eyes of the public. I certainly agree he should be treated innocent until proven guilty from a legal standpoint, but the public or corporate response to him has nothing to do with the law.

True, but I am just responding to BIPOLARs question on my perception of Pacman.

but the public or corporate response to him has nothing to do with the law.
:yes: ding! ding! ding!

we have a winner!!!:werd: