http://ps3.ign.com/articles/802/802326p1.html
the 20gig model has been discontinued (good riddance)
the new 80gig model comes with Motorstorm
http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/802/802326/ps3-gets-bigger-cheaper-20070709095822995-000.jpg



Awesome deal @ Amazon.com
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0009VXAM0/ref=amb_link_5139232_1/102-3839680-9543349?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=center-1&pf_rd_r=110KQ0QCV38NVHCZ2FC8&pf_rd_t=1401&pf_rd_p=298109801&pf_rd_i=1000106451

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PS3 Price Drop Bonus: For a limited time receive a Blu-ray Remote Controller & Six Blu-ray discs FREE when you buy a PS3 from Amazon.com by 9/30/07


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and just 4 days ago, Sony denied reports that thr price was going to drop
http://ps3.ign.com/articles/801/801981p1.html

it was just a matter of time. i'll still be purchasing the 60 gig one, no need for 80 gigs.

I may actually purchase one now, it's still up in the air though

I may actually purchase one now, it's still up in the air though

c'mon ..........

a nifty Blu-Ray player
a Bluetooth Blu-Ray Remote
and SIX free Blu-ray movies
for $500 ?!?!?!?

that's one of the better deals for a retail package I've seen in a long time

c'mon ..........

a nifty Blu-Ray player
a Bluetooth Blu-Ray Remote
and SIX free Blu-ray movies
for $500 ?!?!?!?

that's one of the better deals for a retail package I've seen in a long time

That's a very good deal I admit. But, i'm not exactly the type of guy that ever used my gaming system to its full potential. I never play online or any of that stuff, and I don't even know how often I would use the Blu-Ray player. That being said, though, if I have until the end of September to get in on that deal, then I might have to take it.

how often do you watch DVD's (SD or otherwise?)
if you have it hooked up via HDMI to a HD capable set, you get glorious upconversion to "Full HD" resolutions. (highly recommend a true 1080p display for ultimate results)
I sent in a few DVD's to show me what they got, and they felt "new" ... "refreshing" ..... I might even have to dust off a few that I haven't seen in awhile. I'm actually looking forward to watching DVD's again.

They sense the power of the Wii taking hold in the market...

Fancy graphics and blue ray are no match for mario party 8, apparently.

The Wii is a fun little game machine, but that is it. And that is fine. I think once people realize that the PS3, and the 360 (don't know much about that), is more of a media center that plays great games, then that is where folks will tend to head. With the PS3 you have good games, HD Player (that now upconverts), you can stream media with your PC machine, surf the net with it, among other things. Basically I think Sony should spend some PR money on that rather than showing the cool games it can do. I use the PS3 more for watching movies, downloading trailers, viewing web clips, etc. than actually playing games on it.

I'd agree that they're completely different devices. But I think the Wii is going to catch on faster to a much broader demographic.

What is "upconverts" mean? That it plays traditional DVDs better?

PuckDaddy

lol

Get one people. Its well worth it. Get Madden 08 and play me. Ryan915

Jeff...

Essentially yes. It upconverts the signal. It isn't "true" HD, but it gives you the most out of your DVD as you can. For example. When you watch Survivor on CBS HD. That is an upconverted signal playing on a HD channel.

Seeing that you are a person who helps shape young minds in the world of visual arts, I think having a Ps3 is a must. It isn't a want, it is a need for you. Future generations of O'Moores will thank you.

I'm all over this. I have the support in #1 son. It's the wifey who may need a little convincing.

You need to get your better half to start hyping how fun it is to have it one at home to mine. I figure we have four months to convince her it is the perfect Christmas gift.

Just tell her you're TitanJeff.

Another noob question....what's blue ray? Just that capability to make dvd's look better? I thought you had to buy blue ray dvd's to use on that system.

Then again, I don't have a HD tv yet anyway.

blu ray is just a clearer picture i guess im really not too sure

Bluray is a High Def. DVD format. Blu-ray discs have a MUCH higher capacity than regular DVD.

so old dvd's you have had for a long time look the same? it takes a blu-ray format dvd for blu-ray players to upconvert it to 1080?

hmm...

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a157/holidayn/Jessica-Simpson.jpg

I don't know what that is but I want it.

let me clear things up a bit

for starters Blu-Ray is a high definiton DVD format currently competing with HD-DVD for next-gen market share.
HD-DVD discs have a capacity of 25gigs
Blu-Ray discs have a capacity of 50 gigs

the Ps3 is a Blu-Ray player designed to play both Blu-Ray DVD and Blu-Ray ps3 games. It's native output is 1080p. If connected properly, via HDMI to a compatible display, content is displayed in 1080p - which to people who realize the difference, is an improvement over the already spectacular 1080i
remember the "i" means interlaced (old tube CRT TV's)
the "p" means progressive scan

Standard Definition discs are "upconverted" from 480p to 1080p, more than doubling the resolution. the first 'old' DVD that I tested was "The Fifth Element", and it literally rivaled watching CSI on Comcasts HD CBS channel. There is a major improvement in visual resolution despite the source content not actually being mastered in HD form.
There are many so-called "upconverting" DVD players on the market, but they do not do nearly as good a job of 'upscaling' the material.


I give you my word that the Ps3 @ $500 is an awesome deal, considering that many stand-alone Blu-Ray dvd players cost more than that and do not have the added ability of playing ps1, ps2 and ps3 games.

I will also note that the ps3 is a nifty media center as well. if you have a media server connected to your network it can access those files and play them through the console
it has built in networking and a functional web browser
it has built in bluetooth and can pair with other blue devices
yaddadaa yaddaaada

forget that it's a video game console for a second, and consider that it is the lowest priced BLu-Ray player on the market
the deal on Amazon that nets you 6 blu-ray DVD's is about a $180 value if you went out and paid the $29.99 MSRP of the DVD's

I guarantee you watching Planet Earth on Blu-Ray will leave you in awe,..... nothing you;ve seen on Comcast, DirecTv, etc. holds a candle to to true 1080p source presentation

There are many so-called "upconverting" DVD players on the market, but they do not do nearly as good a job of 'upscaling' the material.

I know this getting a bit off topic, but which of the upconverting DVD players would you say is the best? My father is starting to get into the HD thing (he bought a 60 incher a few months ago), so I was going to get him one of those DVD players. I thought about just buying an HD-DVD player, but there currently isn't a very good selection for HD-DVDs

I know this getting a bit off topic, but which of the upconverting DVD players would you say is the best? My father is starting to get into the HD thing (he bought a 60 incher a few months ago), so I was going to get him one of those DVD players. I thought about just buying an HD-DVD player, but there currently isn't a very good selection for HD-DVDs

that's tough
the "best" upconverting players would probably rank along the lines of the better DVD players ... so I would say products from co.'s like Sony, Panasonic, etc.. would be better than RCA's, Cyberhome,etc...

the big thing with "The War" is that some studios have signed up exclusively on one side or the other ... Blu-Rays ace is Disney

you can find out who's on who's side by googling HD-DVD vs. Blu-Ray

something else to consider is that Blockbuster has announced that they will begin renting BLu-Ray exclusively

Blu-Ray has ALOT going for it ... but then again, so did Beta

as far as HD-DVD vs. Blu-Ray is concerned, I had a better experience with the Blue-Ray ... the general consensus is that Blu looks better than HD-DVD. mysuggestion is to go Blu-Ray and buy certain titles available on BLu-Ray and those that aren't just buy the original DVD versions and let the player "upconvert"

you really need to see both on a 60" 1080p screens setup similarly

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a lot of those movies are pretty good and ones i dont have on standard def dvds.

This is awesome. And it's exactly what PS3 needed to do. Now that the price is 500 dollars, they can actually gain ground even without the sweet amazon deal.
If I had 500 dollars right now, I'd drop it on one in a heartbeat. But Wii talks should just stop. Have you guys seen their game lineup at E3?? More cartoon games with playstation 2 graphics. It just wont cut it. Here in a year the 360 and PS3 will be the main systems as Wii was a fun game that got old very quickly, unless you're 7 years old then it could be fun.
But Wii owners are going to get tired of seeing PS3 and 360 get all the good games while they're stuck with cheesy Disney/Pixar games and a bunch of Mario and Donkey Kong games that already came out on N64.

Wii has always been a gimmick and Nintendo has mostly been a kids/teenage aimed console.

Ps3 and 360 were always going to rule, Wii broke out because it was cheap and somewhat new concept.

Of course Wii is going to lose out among you hard core gamers. They aren't going for you people. But there are a lot more younger people who would buy a Wii, or people who like fun games but aren't as intensely into video games as you guys are, that would be much more likely to buy a Wii. Heck, even my girlfriend can be talked into playing a Wii, and she hates video games. You can look down your nose at the graphics and the fact that they don't release as many horror movie or war games, but it's a fun system that appeals to a wider base of people.

And of course, in december all heck will break loose, because they're releasing mario kart for the Wii.

But Wii owners are going to get tired of seeing PS3 and 360 get all the good games while they're stuck with cheesy Disney/Pixar games and a bunch of Mario and Donkey Kong games that already came out on N64.

go check my Metroid Prime thread
nothing antiquated or cheesy about it

Metroid Prime is another cheese game IMO. It was when it was on gamecube too. Problem is, when you see the 360 and PS3 pumping out true next gen games like Assassins Creed, Gears, MSG4, Mass Effect, Bioshock, etc - Metroid Prime isn't going to cut it.
And yeah, my wife actually wants a Wii too. "It's cute" are her words. I told her we can download fun games from the live arcade if that's the type she wants to play. Then she tried to use the 'but it's like exercise' joke. Yeah. Waving a controller around is exercise as much as lifting a remote is.

It's just going to get left in the dust within a year. May sell big numbers, but people that actually want a game system for next gen games aren't going to buy a Wii. If you've got a PS2 or Xbox there's no point in a Wii at all.

Metroid Prime is another cheese game IMO. It was when it was on gamecube too. Problem is, when you see the 360 and PS3 pumping out true next gen games like Assassins Creed, Gears, MSG4, Mass Effect, Bioshock, etc - Metroid Prime isn't going to cut it.
And yeah, my wife actually wants a Wii too. "It's cute" are her words. I told her we can download fun games from the live arcade if that's the type she wants to play. Then she tried to use the 'but it's like exercise' joke. Yeah. Waving a controller around is exercise as much as lifting a remote is.

It's just going to get left in the dust within a year. May sell big numbers, but people that actually want a game system for next gen games aren't going to buy a Wii. If you've got a PS2 or Xbox there's no point in a Wii at all.

I disagree .... with damn near every word of your post

left in the dust?
the Wii is outselling the ps3 6-1 in Japan
and that's based on the last few months
not the entire life of both systems

I ask you again (as i did in the Metroid post) - have you ever played a Metroid game ? If not, you're not informed enough to make the opinion


I'm reminded of the arguments Gunny and I used to have, and in this way he was right .... graphics do not make the game better
I have all 3 last gen systems
I have all 3 new gen systems
and I can tell you that Nintendo makes quality games
Metroid
Zelda
Mario Party
all excellent and can't be missed games

Metroid Prime is another cheese game IMO. It was when it was on gamecube too. Problem is, when you see the 360 and PS3 pumping out true next gen games like Assassins Creed, Gears, MSG4, Mass Effect, Bioshock, etc - Metroid Prime isn't going to cut it.
And yeah, my wife actually wants a Wii too. "It's cute" are her words. I told her we can download fun games from the live arcade if that's the type she wants to play. Then she tried to use the 'but it's like exercise' joke. Yeah. Waving a controller around is exercise as much as lifting a remote is.

It's just going to get left in the dust within a year. May sell big numbers, but people that actually want a game system for next gen games aren't going to buy a Wii. If you've got a PS2 or Xbox there's no point in a Wii at all.

That's actually where I think Wii leaves the other systems in the dust. No matter what else you have, Wii is different than all other systems. Comparatively, the PS3 and Xbox 360 are almost the exact same when compared to how different the Wii is. They're going to have games that are actually different than the same 1st person shooters that keep coming out for "next gen" systems. You're right, no one would buy the Wii for it's graphics compared to the other two, but they certainly would buy it for different types of games.

Just because it appeals to different types of people and in different ways than the other systems doesn't mean it won't be successful. It may just be successful with a different market. When the original nintendo came out, it had a much broader audience than video games do now (types, not numbers). People enjoyed original and innovative games, and that's what the Wii is trying to go for. It's actually attempting to change and make new games, and Nintendo is generally successful at these things. Wii may be a failure in the eyes of "traditional gamers", but it's probably going to expand or rexpand the video game market. Heck, I grew up in the first generation of game systems, I had Nintendo, Game Gear, super nintendo, etc... But I have more desire for a Wii than either of the other systems. I'd use a PS3 or Xbox 360 more as a media player than a video game system. I understand that aspect of their marketing as well, but in terms of getting me to buy a system and play video games, I'd gladly go with the Wii when I wouldn't really consider the other systems.

I played Metroid Prime on gamecube, and it was pretty weak so i stopped after maybe 15 minutes. Nintendo just tries to appeal to kids. That's their downfall. Yes, I know they're selling a lot, but only because they're the cheapest of the 'next gen' systems and they have a gimmick that people are actually buying in to.
Once the power-glove (wii controller) gimmick wears out, there goes the entire console.

1. The game lineup is absolutely horrible. You can make excuses and say they're trying to appeal to a 'different' crowd, if by different you mean people under the age of 10.

2. The graphics are barely better than a PS2's. How do they expect to sell games if: a) the lineup looks like new atari games, and b) the graphics are as weak as last gen systems?

3. A corolla will outsell an entire Porsche line-up. It doesn't mean it's better. It means it's cheaper. The Wii is the Kia of consoles. It's cute, cheap, and yeah, you can say it's fun to drive all you want - but everyone knows you really wanted a BMW.

I played Metroid Prime on gamecube, and it was pretty weak so i stopped after maybe 15 minutes. Nintendo just tries to appeal to kids. That's their downfall. Yes, I know they're selling a lot, but only because they're the cheapest of the 'next gen' systems and they have a gimmick that people are actually buying in to.
Once the power-glove (wii controller) gimmick wears out, there goes the entire console.

1. The game lineup is absolutely horrible. You can make excuses and say they're trying to appeal to a 'different' crowd, if by different you mean people under the age of 10.

2. The graphics are barely better than a PS2's. How do they expect to sell games if: a) the lineup looks like new atari games, and b) the graphics are as weak as last gen systems?

3. A corolla will outsell an entire Porsche line-up. It doesn't mean it's better. It means it's cheaper. The Wii is the Kia of consoles. It's cute, cheap, and yeah, you can say it's fun to drive all you want - but everyone knows you really wanted a BMW.

"Different" doesn't have to do with age. It has to do with the amount that the people in that market normally play video games. The point is, they can sell video games to people that wouldn't normally buy them. I've got a friend whose parents really want one.

No one is arguing that the graphics are even close. See even Puck's admittance that it's not all about the graphics (and after reading all of his posts on HD, 1080i, etc... I'd say that's a pretty amazing statement). You're the one who was arguing about the lack of significant difference in high level TVs. Surely you can relate the similarity.

The Wii is trying to appeal to a group with a different sense of what is a "fun game". For some, it's not the incredibly technical or realistic action game, with a pace that requires significant practice to keep up with and usually a lot of video game experience. For some, it's about a different kind of gameplay. I have no idea why, but I can play almost any of the mario kart games for hours on end, but I wouldn't last 30 minutes of Halo. Different people like different things, and it's not all based on age.

This started as Puck noticing that the PS3s are dropping their price... Why? Because their getting outsold by the cheaper, vastly inferior Wii. I'm just trying to explain why you "gamers" shouldn't look down your noses at the Wii. At the very least, you could respect the fact that they figured out a way to remain competitive in the market.

Metroid Prime rocked on all aspects. That is all.

^ :truedat:
anyone who played Prime and / or Echoes should know this
most games are slow in their first 15min - 1st hour
Prime took some time to get used too
but it is a worthy FPS in any and all respects

That's actually where I think Wii leaves the other systems in the dust. No matter what else you have, Wii is different than all other systems. Comparatively, the PS3 and Xbox 360 are almost the exact same when compared to how different the Wii is.

Yes, the Wii is different, but you're certainly blowing it out of proportion here. The only aspect that makes it different is the controller. It doesn't have a graphics card made by aliens or anything like that, you know.

People enjoyed original and innovative games, and that's what the Wii is trying to go for. It's actually attempting to change and make new games, and Nintendo is generally successful at these things.

What makes you believe that Nintendo is trying to make new games? And I also don't understand the "Nintendo is generally successful at these things" comment. If one thing Nintendo has proven, is the that they don't mind to repeat the same games over and over again... which is understandable, since they sell well all the time. But there isn't anything new in playing the 245 version of Mario or Zelda.

This started as Puck noticing that the PS3s are dropping their price... Why? Because their getting outsold by the cheaper, vastly inferior Wii.

That is not a very good assumption (though it sounded more like a fact). Sony is competing directly with Microsoft, not Nintendo. This is a move to increase sales obviously, but also to put the PS3 in a better position against the 360 Elite, IMO. Sony is also going to release a new PS3 sku that will be priced at exactly $600, so it may not sound much of a price drop, especially since there was originally a model priced at $500 when the PS3 first launched.


I'm just trying to explain why you "gamers" shouldn't look down your noses at the Wii. At the very least, you could respect the fact that they figured out a way to remain competitive in the market.

Well, I can understand why many hardcore gamers feel the way they do about the Wii. I love video games, though I can only play 3-4 times a month. But I like to watch how games evolve in all phases (especially graphically) as the years pass by. With the Wii, however, it feels like a step back.

My main concern is that if the Wii continues to ride all this hype and starts dominating the market completely, developers may reconsider their approach on game development. After all, why spend years and millions developing a huge game, when you can spend a few months and less than a million developing a simple game that will earn you the same revenue. Granted, the Halos and GTAs won't go away, but we might see less of original and great titles such as Shadow of the Colossus, Okami, etc. in the years to come.

One thing to remember is that while casual gamers may come and go, hardcore gamers are the ones that made the video game industry what it is today - a multi billion industry.

http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/console-wars/ps3-sales-surge-135-since-price-drop-sony-seen-laughing-on-way-to-bank-281603.php

PS3 sales are up 135% since the July 9th announcement of the $499 price tag

http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/console-wars/ps3-sales-surge-135-since-price-drop-sony-seen-laughing-on-way-to-bank-281603.php

PS3 sales are up 135% since the July 9th announcement of the $499 price tag
the sales are up 2800% on amazon(no, that's not a typo)

http://ps3.qj.net/US-36-100-PS3-price-cut-boosts-Amazon-PS3-sales-up-2800-/pg/49/aid/97122

lol. They must have sold 280 of them.