Just got back from seeing the film. I liked it, it stays more or less true to the novel by Matheson. I won't spoil it but if you like either thrillers/horror and or Will Smith go see it.

Fresh Prince of Doomsday?

Nah.

finally someone remade Omega Man.

Bout' time

will wait for the DVD

it stays more or less true to the novel by Matheson.

Unless they've changed from the last posted script, I'll have to disagree on that.. I'll be seeing it tomorrow to find out for myself.

Very dis-similar from the novel actually...

I read it, will be going to see it this weekend. I am rather excited even though there are mixed reviews. And I am a Will Smith fan. His movies are all pretty fun.

i enjoyed it, but i hated the ending.

i loved it! great ending!

Wow, I have read the book, and saw Omega man, and now this movie. I REALLY REALLY liked this movie. It had me at the edge of my seat, riding the emotional rollercoaster, and I also liked the twist at the end. That said, it was NOTHING like the book, but when are they ever.

9.5 stars out of 10.

I watched it tonight & I'll be reading the book next week. Backwards on I know but I couldn't wait to watch the movie.

A fine performance by Smith & great acting by the Alsatian too. It didn't quite grab me though. For a short movie it still felt like it was too slow.The CGI was very cartoon like too.

Not enough depth to the story IMO,to say Neville was alone in the world he was an underdeveloped character considering how much screen time he had. I'm really looking forward to the book though.

I give it 7/10.

Childress, be prepared for a totally different story....

Saw I Am Legend Sunday night. I didn't expect much and I was still disappointed. It was like watching a bad video game. The CGI creatures were just aweful. The Steve Buscemi character in Monster House was less cartoonish and more scary than these creatures.
I understand that screenwriters will take liberties when tackling the book or original but this was ridiculous.. Apocalyptic dust storms were traded in for bad CGI zoo animals. The slow sad demise of Neville's family was traded for a -gulp- helicopter crash.
Hollywood prefers big explosions over great stories and chiseled screen hunks over interesting characters and that is the case here yet again.
And yes the ending sucked. Legend of what, to who? They changed the story so much the name didn't even apply anymore..

Rent The Omega Man for a superior version of Legend or tune in this Saturday for the original and closest to the book version The Last Man On Earth

http://jeanoroid.com/lastman.jpg

I watched it before and really liked it.

I saw it. from what i hear its no where near the original story but that's not really a bad thing from what i hear about the original story.

It was decent, watchable and entertaining. It wasn't great and imo seemed slightly anti-climatic, probably b/c i was waiting for a long trek out of the city to somewhere else (ala 28 days) so the ending seemed to come suddenly to me... but it was still a decent movie and entertaining. Will Smith movies are usually about like that imo. Good for entertainment but not great otherwise. He's got a few movies that are better than that though. I do really like him as an actor though.

Only 1 part I really didn't like about it but i won't go too far into it so as not to spoil it for anyone... its not like the part was unexpected... I just didn't like it :) lol

Will Smith is a Hitler apologist...

Will Smith is a Hitler apologist...

huh?

huh?
Some people thought he was, but the Jewish AL said he's not, so he's not...

http://www6.comcast.net/entertainment/articles/movies/2007/12/17/People.Will.Smith/?cvqh=itn_willsmith

The Daily Record, a Scottish newspaper, recently quoted Smith as saying: "Even Hitler didn't wake up going, `let me do the most evil thing I can do today.' I think he woke up in the morning and using a twisted, backwards logic, he set out to do what he thought was `good.'"

How could any thing take that as praising Hitler?

How could any thing take that as praising Hitler?
I don't know. I never said he praised Hitler, only that he was a Hitler apologist.

Not saying you were, just making a general comment.

I think Smith is wrong about everybody being good. This should probably be discussed in a new thread, but I don't have the energy right now, I'm off to sleep SWEET SLEEP soon.
But there are some people who do things just to be evil, not trying to do good through twisted logic like Smith said. The Hillside Strangler and John Gacy killed people out of pure evil...

I think Smith is wrong about everybody being good. This should probably be discussed in a new thread, but I don't have the energy right now, I'm off to sleep SWEET SLEEP soon.
But there are some people who do things just to be evil, not trying to do good through twisted logic like Smith said. The Hillside Strangler and John Gacy killed people out of pure evil...

I'm with Hoffa on this one.The Nazi concentration camps didn't stem from good intentions.

I'm pretty sure it's been proven that some people have something wrong with the frontal lobe of the brain & have no moral compass like the rest of us.

Some psychopaths are highly intelligent & have nothing wrong upstairs,they are simply evil people.

I'm not disagreeing with Hoffa, but I can also see the mind set that people think people do things and think what they are doing is right/good for the earth/ etc.

Who cares about the Nazis or whether he was an apologist...

I just watched the movie and the only thing that doesn't add up is that if Robert actually set the trap then why would he set it outdoors? It suggests that the infected might have made it from scratch, but there's nothing in the movie that suggests whether they're smart enough.... you know, besides the fact that their solution to everything is head butting it.

Head butts aside they didn’t divulge much at all about the creatures..
- How do they explain the trap? They seemed far too mindless in most scenes yet there’s the trap – and of course the one who “releases” the dogs..
- and why did they wait till the next night to come to Neville’s house?
- How could they open their mouths so wide?
- Why were all the male creatures shirtless but not the females?

Of course the true answer is “Yeah but didn’t you see the awesome explosions?”..

This movie would been so much scarier if they had real people portraying the creatures ala 28 Days Later or The Descent…

I'm with Hoffa on this one.The Nazi concentration camps didn't stem from good intentions.

I'm pretty sure it's been proven that some people have something wrong with the frontal lobe of the brain & have no moral compass like the rest of us.

Some psychopaths are highly intelligent & have nothing wrong upstairs,they are simply evil people.
That just goes to show Smith's point. Just because you think something is wrong doesn't mean someone else might not consider it good.

Lots of dictators feel that it's a good thing to impose order on their citizens. Japan probably thought America was pretty evil for nuking Hiroshima and Nagasaki. I imagine Hitler decided that it would be good to get rid of the Jews (for whatever his twisted reasoning was).

Good and evil are often more subjective than we would like.

That just goes to show Smith's point. Just because you think something is wrong doesn't mean someone else might not consider it good.

Lots of dictators feel that it's a good thing to impose order on their citizens. Japan probably thought America was pretty evil for nuking Hiroshima and Nagasaki. I imagine Hitler decided that it would be good to get rid of the Jews (for whatever his twisted reasoning was).

Good and evil are often more subjective than we would like.

Good point. Hitler did believe he was chosen to do the things he did for a higher cause. He was obsessed with the book of Revelation & it's mention of a thousand years of peace for chosen people who survived the 'last days'.

His 'master race' were in his scheme the chosen people.

Good point. Hitler did believe he was chosen to do the things he did for a higher cause. He was obsessed with the book of Revelation & it's mention of a thousand years of peace for chosen people who survived the 'last days'.

His 'master race' were in his scheme the chosen people.


Just to add to that a lot of people think they are doing 'God's work' and He is acting through said person. Now these people are 99% mentally ill but in their mind set they are doing what is 'right' by God.

Same with 9/11 and the terrorist attacks.

Head butts aside they didn’t divulge much at all about the creatures..
- How do they explain the trap? They seemed far too mindless in most scenes yet there’s the trap – and of course the one who “releases” the dogs..
- and why did they wait till the next night to come to Neville’s house?
- How could they open their mouths so wide?
- Why were all the male creatures shirtless but not the females?

Of course the true answer is “Yeah but didn’t you see the awesome explosions?”..

This movie would been so much scarier if they had real people portraying the creatures ala 28 Days Later or The Descent…

I just finished reading the book.

The film only borrows the basic premise of the story that Neville is a lone human survivor living amongst a new order of vampires.

It seems like most Hollywood productions of good stories are handicapped by the profit margin. OK we'd like to make this movie,who's the best fit as a lead to maximize our audience? Will Smith,great everyone identifies with him as a heroic lead & he did great box office in another sci-fi movie.

Alright we have to keep it under a PG13 so we don't limit our box office revenue.

The whole process of how they water stories down because of budgets & revenues is frustrating but understandable given how much money they invest in these movies. What I don't understand is how they can take a dark tale with a great study into this lone mans psyche & butcher it so badly to produce a 15 rated movie.

If they were prepared to make a movie with that rating why not stick to the book.It would have had a much more satisfying ending rather than the cop out that they gave us & probably gained a good word of mouth following because it had dared to be different.

I'm so glad that I saw the movie before I read the book. Will Smith was good in an understated performance but as usual the movie could have been so much better if they'd stuck to the original storyline.

As CC points out above there are so many holes & weaknesses in the story told in the movie.

Lots of dictators feel that it's a good thing to impose order on their citizens. Japan probably thought America was pretty evil for nuking Hiroshima and Nagasaki. I imagine Hitler decided that it would be good to get rid of the Jews (for whatever his twisted reasoning was).

Good and evil are often more subjective than we would like.
I agree 100% with that.
But there are also a few people like the Hillside Stranglers. If you've ever seen or read about them, they knew what they were doing was evil and bad, and that's why they did it (kidnap, rape, torture, mutilate and kill). They wanted to inflict terror, pain, and death upon innocent victims for the soul purpose of doing evil. They were satanists and hated good. That's where I disagree with Smith that everone is good, or thinks they're doing good. There are a few who are evil and know they're doing evil and not good.

The ending dissapointed me, I wish it didnt go down like that, is that how it happened in the book?

I agree 100% with that.
But there are also a few people like the Hillside Stranglers. If you've ever seen or read about them, they knew what they were doing was evil and bad, and that's why they did it (kidnap, rape, torture, mutilate and kill). They wanted to inflict terror, pain, and death upon innocent victims for the soul purpose of doing evil. They were satanists and hated good. That's where I disagree with Smith that everone is good, or thinks they're doing good. There are a few who are evil and know they're doing evil and not good.
So, if they are satanists, then wouldn't they think doing evil is good (from their perspective)? Again, it's warped logic, but logic never the less.

You have people who raped or murdered to get attention. They probably know what they are doing is wrong, but becoming famous is good. So they see it as a means to an end that is good (for them, anyway). People do all sorts of bad stuff that would be a means to an end that would be good for them (i.e. robbing a bank to get rich).

The ending dissapointed me, I wish it didnt go down like that, is that how it happened in the book?

No.

The entire movie bears little relation to the book. Take the time to read it,you won't be disappointed,it's only about 160 pages.

Satanists do evil because it's the opposite of "good". I"m talking about good in the sense of good morals taught by every religion.

A satanist like Richard Rameriez (The night stalker) did evil not because he thought it was for a good cause, but because it was for an evil one. He did not want attention, he did evil only for the sake of evil. He's one of the most evil persons to ever live, (way more evil than Hitler).

Read about him here;
http://crime.about.com/od/serial/p/nightstaker.htm

I think he alone disproves Smith's theory that everyone is good...

A satanist like Richard Rameriez (The night stalker) did evil not because he thought it was for a good cause, but because it was for an evil one. He did not want attention, he did evil only for the sake of evil. He's one of the most evil persons to ever live, (way more evil than Hitler).

Wouldn't that be 'good' in the sense it provided him pleasure because he was doing what he wanted?

I think he alone disproves Smith's theory that everyone is good...

It is silly to assume everything is so black and white.

Wouldn't that be 'good' in the sense it provided him pleasure because he was doing what he wanted?

That's not what Will Smith was talking about. He didn't say everyone is good because even evil people get pleasure. He said even Hitler was good because in his twisted logic he thought ridding the world of Jews would make it a better place for the rest of us to live and work in.
Richard Rameriez was not trying to make the world a better place. He was pure evil.

The ending seemed very unfinished. Like the director hit a time constraint or something and just said 'uh, alright, I know it's just now getting interesting but Will, make something up and end the scene...Later guys! Cam's still rolling."
Good up until the ending, and that almost ruins the entire movie.
Cruds, buddy, you're just digging at things. CGI was bad? Compared to what? It was actually surprisingly good, but if you think the cgi in this movie is bad while recommending poorly done old zombie flicks - some thing's wrong. lol

I give the movie a 7 out of 10. Worth a see. And I'd rather watch it 5 more times within the time it'd take to read the book. Boo-Yah!

Satanists do evil because it's the opposite of "good". I"m talking about good in the sense of good morals taught by every religion.

A satanist like Richard Rameriez (The night stalker) did evil not because he thought it was for a good cause, but because it was for an evil one. He did not want attention, he did evil only for the sake of evil. He's one of the most evil persons to ever live, (way more evil than Hitler).
But a satanist doesn't think that what we call good is good. They would think something horrible is good. Their god is most people's devil.

It's just a matter of different (read: insane) perspective. But he was doing what he personally believed was good even knowing that the majority of people would condemn it as evil.

That's not what Will Smith was talking about. He didn't say everyone is good because even evil people get pleasure. He said even Hitler was good because in his twisted logic he thought ridding the world of Jews would make it a better place for the rest of us to live and work in.
But the whole point is that he didn't think that Hitler was good. He merely says that Hitler's goal was something that his own twisted mind considered good. His point was that Hitler set out to do something that he personally considered a positive despite the fact that we all consider it evil.

I agree about Hitler. I just think Hitler is not the example you should use to prove that everyone is good. I think there are other examples of people more evil than Hitler, who do things that they know are evil and not good, but they do them for the soul reason of doing evil, not good.

I believe in good and evil, and that they are two entirely different entities, which are at odds with each other. I do not believe, as Will Smith, that everyone is good and trying to only do what they think is good. I believe some people are possessed by evil.

I will agree, somewhat, that everyone is born good. But some people fall prey to the seduction of evil, and thus do deeds which go against what is good.

That is only my belief, and everyone is entitled to their own beliefs.
My beliefs have me concerned about the future of the world and it's people.
I believe in looking out for the evil that is around us.

p.s. HAPPY NEW YEAR EVERYONE...

But the whole point is that Smith never said he believes that everyone is basically good. He simply said that people don't set out to do evil things, it just depends on their own idea of what is good. Maybe they think they are doing something they think is good for society or maybe they are simply doing something that is good for themselves.

Morality is just too subjective. 2 different people rarely agree on everything in terms of morality. Like Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Or like abortion. Or physician-assisted suicide. The list is nearly endless.

Everyone would basically agree that murder is wrong. But what if you had the chance to kill a known terrorist before he could strike? Or if you could go back in time and kill Hitler before he rose to power? Would that be good or evil?

Starkiller, I think you're making extrapolations for will smith. I don't think he would argue, when asked about it, that some of the murderers described above had good intentions. You can add in a philosophy to justify anything, but that wasn't what he was saying.

However, it's kind of silly to argue that he's wrong, because he probably wouldn't try to argue about some of the examples given here.

I'm going by his quotes, but it's not like I can ask him myself. So yes, I'm extrapolating...

The point was that he merely said people didn't set out to do things for the sake of doing evil. Their plan was, in their minds, supposed to benefit someone (either others or themselves). He didn't say Hitler was good, only that his actions were designed in his mind to be beneficial.

This is a good intelligent debate btw.

This is a good intelligent debate btw.

Yes. What's it doing here? :brow:

...he merely said people didn't set out to do things for the sake of doing evil.
I believe Richard Rameriez did.

BTW, Will Smith is a Scientologist...

I believe Richard Rameriez did.

BTW, Will Smith is a Scientologist...

No he's not, he said that his beliefs are personal to him & that he doesn't & won't subscribe to any religion.

Will Smith has said that despite a Baptist upbringing and being close friends with ardent Scientologist Tom Cruise, he has no interest in organised religion.

Speaking at an I Am Legend press event last week, Will explained he prefers to model his own faith system: “I don’t necessarily believe in organised religion.”

“I don’t believe that the Muslims have all the answers and all the beliefs. I don’t believe the Christians have all the answers and beliefs, or that the Jews have all the answers.”

“I love my God, my higher power, but it is mine and mine alone, and I create my connection, and I decide how my connection is going to be. I believe that my connection to my higher power is separate from everybody’s.”
http://fametastic.co.uk/archive/20071208/8760/will-smith-i-prefer-my-own-beliefs-to-organised-religion/

Smith is also angry that he's been painted has a Hitler lover & has flatly denied he made those comments.Link (http://www.nbcsandiego.com/entertainment/14925781/detail.html?rss=dgo&psp=entertainment)

So, now he wants to create his own religion like L. Ron Hubbard did, and then keep it to himself...?
Hollyweird...

TONIGHT! - I AM LEGEND for FREE!

http://jeanoroid.com/lastman.jpg

I know...I still liked the movie....!!!

So, now he wants to create his own religion like L. Ron Hubbard did, and then keep it to himself...?
Hollyweird...
He doesn't want to create his own religion, he just has his own religious beliefs without being a member of any organized religion. It's pretty simple...

I believe Richard Rameriez did. As I already said, satanists believe that evil is good. So to him, he was doing something good.

I know that this isn't the appropriate place, but I feel compelled to point at that so far I haven't seen any indication that anyone here knows Hitler's motivations. If you understood the mess that Germany was in at the time as well as the frustration of the people, you would see that Hitler definately thought that the ends justified the means. Now, the Holocaust wasn't his idea, but he had the power to say no to it and chose not to because he saw no other way to solve the nation's woes due to his poor choices in ideologies.

As to Will Smith, he is clearly not a "Hitler apologist"; rather that's a label that a self-serving reporter branded him with. It's about time that the public start assigning some responsibility where it goes: paprazzis and entertainment gossip media.

Great post avvie,

very interesting subject matter

As I already said, satanists believe that evil is good. So to him, he was doing something good.
As I already said, satanists do not believe evil is good.
Evil and good are two opposite entities. What your saying is the same as, hot is cold.

Rameriez knew he was doing evil, he was consumed by evil. To him, he knew he wasn't doing something good.
It is hard to imagine a thought process like that, to be possesed by pure evil, but I doubt he felt all warm and fuzzy thinking he was doing something good. He was tormented by demons which drove him to commit unspeakable acts.

He doesn't want to create his own religion, he just has his own religious beliefs without being a member of any organized religion. It's pretty simple...
That's fine, I believe eveyone should have a personal relationship with their creator and where they fit into the purpose of it all.
But if he believes his maker has a place for us all in the after life, he needs to find a way to mesh his thoughts with others, unless he plans to spend the after life alone.

Don't they see 'evil' as we see 'good'?

I haven't seen any indication that anyone here knows Hitler's motivations. If you understood the mess that Germany was in at the time as well as the frustration of the people, you would see that Hitler definately thought that the ends justified the means.
No one here knows Hitler's motivations, but you are going to fill us in on them?:suspect:

I think it was pointed out before that Hitler was motivated to make the world a better place in his mind by committing genocide.

Don't they see 'evil' as we see 'good'?
No. They see evil as we do.
There is a constant battle between evil and good in the world.

No one here knows Hitler's motivations, but you are going to fill us in on them?:suspect: .

On the last page I was getting the impression that reading comprehension was not your strong suit. Now I am certain of it. But it's okay, as my post was directed towards those who are able to understand it.

On the last page I was getting the impression that reading comprehension was not your strong suit. Now I am certain of it. But it's okay, as my post was directed towards those who are able to understand it.
C'mon avvie, this has been too good a thread for you to throw a personal insult my way. :rolleyes:

I know that this isn't the appropriate place, but I feel compelled to point at that so far I haven't seen any indication that anyone here knows Hitler's motivations. If you understood the mess that Germany was in at the time as well as the frustration of the people, you would see that Hitler definately thought that the ends justified the means. Now, the Holocaust wasn't his idea, but he had the power to say no to it and chose not to because he saw no other way to solve the nation's woes due to his poor choices in ideologies.

As to Will Smith, he is clearly not a "Hitler apologist"; rather that's a label that a self-serving reporter branded him with. It's about time that the public start assigning some responsibility where it goes: paprazzis and entertainment gossip media.

I had an invite to his bunker while it was still underground & hip but sadly my DOB kept me out of all the great meetings,even so it was a blast & I tried to stay true to the facts at the time.

That's fine, I believe eveyone should have a personal relationship with their creator and where they fit into the purpose of it all.
But if he believes his maker has a place for us all in the after life, he needs to find a way to mesh his thoughts with others, unless he plans to spend the after life alone.
That's merely your take on the afterlife, obviously not his...

Don't they see 'evil' as we see 'good'?
Yes. If Satan is their god, then obviously yes...

That's merely your take on the afterlife, obviously not his...
I don't see an obvious opinion on the after life by Smith.

Yes. If Satan is their god, then obviously yes...
No. They see evil as evil, and choose that over good.

Hitler was a member of PETA

http://chromatism.net/current/images/bunkerhitler.jpg

I don't see an obvious opinion on the after life by Smith.
It's perfectly obvious his view of the afterlife isn't that he'll be all alone. Otherwise he wouldn't have his own private religious beliefs.

No. They see evil as evil, and choose that over good.
Doing your god's work is considered good. Their god is Satan. Doing evil is the work of Satan. Thus what most of us see as evil is, to them, good.

C'mon avvie, this has been too good a thread for you to throw a personal insult my way. :rolleyes:

You're right, and I extend my apologies. Your post, while not directly insulting, came across to me as being very smarmy, so I reacted.

In terms evil ,Hoffa has a valid point.Some people are purely evil.

They are wired differently & for us it's almost impossible to comprehend how another human can be that way. These people are so dangerous to us because they don't live by the normal rules of society.

Their only motivation for conforming to the social norm is to avoid getting caught.We are just prey to some of these sickos & society is a big candy store of opportunity to hurt.How can we comprehend being that way,it goes against everything we live for.

In general, I think the people that we consider to be evil are more likely just sociopaths. They only care about themselves and not about anyone else. So they ignore anything negative they do anyone else, they only care about what benefits themselves. And some get pleasure out of some things we consider sick or evil. Others get pleasure from power, money, sex, or other things we might not strictly consider evil.

Hitler was a member of PETA

http://chromatism.net/current/images/bunkerhitler.jpg


PETA's Death Wish: When fried chicken becomes Auschwitz (http://www.aim.org/guest_column/A1834_0_6_0_C/)

So that's where this came from. :suspect:

As the article concludes, so did I. No more donations.