Question about DE? Jason Pierre-Paul vs Morgan - Page 4

RollTide · 03-25-2010, 06:58 AM

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Note, I don't list Dunlap in here because I would NOT take him in rnd 1 in any cirumstance as he is a LOW motor player with little passion for the game and not as big eye popping stats as you'd expect with someone of his size/speed/talent/experience and playing on an absolutely stacked Florida D.

Pierre-Paul and Griffen were not big production guys either. I would put Dunlap over them.

Which DE blocked 4 kicks in his college career?

Dunlap ran a 4.61 40 on a wet surface on his pro day and he is the one you eliminate from the equation? He also has one of the best 10 yard splits1.61 & 1.60) despite being the biggest DE in this top group. The biggest DE ran OLB times!

Which of the top ends can get stronger and benefit the most from a guy like Washburn?

boscobrian315 · 03-25-2010, 01:04 PM

At first, I thought we had no chance at McClain at #16, but now I don't know if we would grab him if he was there. MLB is not our mst glaring need, but this guy looks great on paper. Now with the Chrones thing he is slipping right to us. the quewstion is do we lock him up? I just don't know. Would we pass on Haden to get this guy? What if they are both there?? Hurry up April!

Gut · 03-25-2010, 04:52 PM

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Gut, to answer your questions about kindle.

In 2008 Kindle played 100% linebacker on the opposite side of Orakpo, Orakpo was the focus of the opposing offense and that freed up Kindle to blitz and that is how he got his 10 sacks that year.

In 2009 Kindle was the focus of the offense and was the guy drawing all the double teams, he was a part time starter at DE and part-time starter at LB. Houston and Sam Acho were the two winners as they were freed up to make the sacks.

Kindle...with someone else as the focus had 10 sacks. Hughes coming out of nowhere, had 15. This past season, with Kindle, Hughes, Graham, and Morgan as the focus...Kindle had 6 sacks, Hughes had 11, Graham and Morgan had 12. If Kindle, Hughes and Graham are the favorites to be 3-4 OLB's...why would you take Kindle over the other 2? Kindle has shown he needs help getting to the QB (as in he needs pressure taken off him) while the others don't.

Interestingly enough, JPP was exactly in the position that Kindle was in last year...he had a proven pass rusher on the other side to take pressure off him. Kindle had 10 sacks...JPP only had 6 and is still projected a 1st rnd pick?

Gut

PAtitansfan53 · 03-25-2010, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by RollTide

Pierre-Paul and Griffen were not big production guys either. I would put Dunlap over them.

Which DE blocked 3 kicks in his college career?

Dunlap ran a 4.61 40 on a wet surface on his pro day and he is the one you eliminate from the equation? He also has one of the best 10 yard splits1.61 & 1.60) despite being the biggest DE in this top group. The biggest DE ran OLB times!

Which of the top ends can get stronger and benefit the most from a guy like Washburn?

We pretty much knew Dunlap would test well in "shorts". IDC about his combine or pro day numbers I care about his on field production, off the field troubles, and lack of work ethic/uninterested attitude he displays.

He doesn't look that fast on game tape.

24 · 03-25-2010, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Gut

Interestingly enough, JPP was exactly in the position that Kindle was in last year...he had a proven pass rusher on the other side to take pressure off him. Kindle had 10 sacks...JPP only had 6 and is still projected a 1st rnd pick?

You keep talking about JPP's lack of production, but like I said before, he only started 7 games, and this was his first season in Div. I. That's a very important fact. Also, you keep talking about Selvie taking the pressure off JPP? I think it's the opposite. Coaches focused on JPP more, which would mean Selvie should've had more production. There's a reason JPP is a first round prospect, and Selvie is a third round prospect. Coaches aren't stupid, they'll focus on the better player, not the more experienced.

Soxcat · 03-25-2010, 10:03 PM

Tough call on who I would pick if I was making the decision. The freekish guys, Dunlap, JPP and Griffen have the highest upsides but also have the highest bust potential.

Morgan is probably the best combo of productivity and athleticism. Hard to pass him up if he is there.

Graham is freekish in that despite not having long arms, ht, wt, raw speed and all he is virtually unblockable. The guy is amazing how he gets off blocks and has tremendous instincts. I'm probably leaning most to him just because he would be a very good fit at RDE as our replacement for KVB.

Hughes is the best edge rusher in the draft and although a little small he could be a real stud as a pure rusher. IMO this kid will be scary on any team 4-3 or 3-4.

RollTide · 03-26-2010, 04:02 PM

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We pretty much knew Dunlap would test well in "shorts". IDC about his combine or pro day numbers I care about his on field production

Dunlap was a very productive player at Florida the last 2 years. Are you suggesting he was not?

9 sacks and 6 blocked passes in each of the last 2 years is solid production. He also blocked 3 punts and blocked a FG in a national championship game in which his team won by 10.

He plays well against good teams not just the crap teams. He has played well in his 2 bowl games.