Horton: 4 Games before we see true D

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  1. Gut

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    LOL! lack of confidence issue? Seriously?!?!?!? So Reid just said, "Hey, you guys are great and we can do it!" So they completely turned the season around with an average QB who only played above average under great coaching? Most of the rest of the roster was the same. Explain that? Are you gonna tell me that Alex Smith just needed a massage or something?

    Parcells didn't do crap with the Cowboys? After finishing 5-11 THREE YEARS IN A ROW before Parcells, he took them to 10-6 and the playoffs the very next season without much of a roster. While upgrading the roster, they went to the playoffs 2 out of the 4 years and had a winning record 3 out of the 4 years. But maybe all they needed was a confidence booster, right?
     
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    So did the Chiefs have an outlier year and are gonna go back to being terrible despite the fact you just said they just needed confidence? Clearly they just went from nothing to a dominant AFC team and the playoffs so...are they still confident?

    Outliers? Look at Manning's regular season and his post season stats. The FACT that Manning has the most 1 and done playoffs in NFL history is not an outlier, thats half a season worth of games. And his performance in the SB was not very good by most standards and terrible for HIS standards!

    I've given you many many examples which defy this being an outlier. kind of like in baseball. Everyone wants the great hitters because they love seeing home runs....but great pitching beats great hitting.

    So what's you explanation for the lesser talented Seattle defense dismantling the Broncos more talented and record setting passing offense in the SB?
     
  3. TitansWillWin2

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    How many playoff games did Parcells win? Plus wasn't he GM some of those years not the coach?

    And wtf are you talking about Reid? Reid couldn't make crap out of Nick Foles but Kelly sure could. Also the reason the chiefs improved so much had nothing to do with Reid last season, it was Smith that made them significantly better.
     
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    oh boy lol
     
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  5. Gut

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    Semantics. All good coaches adapt a system to the players, but there are limits to that as well. Is Derrick Morgan gonna play CB? Are we gonna play a 5-2 because we have more better DL then LB's? No, that's silly. Coaches that like a 3-4 are going to install a 3-4 mainly because they understand it's not too much of a stretch to adapt the defense. But within that context, they can adjust tactically to get there players into their best places to succeed.

    Example. Jadaveon Clowney is moved to OLB in a 3-4 D. He has the size of a 4-3 DE and doesn't know how to cover or drop or read route combinations, etc. So while they move him to OLB where they will teach him those things, they will tactically let him blitz and rush the passer most of the time to utilize his strngths (rushing the passer) and limit his weaknesses (covering).

    And Chip Kelly is a good example. Every thinks you need to have a really mobile QB to run that offense and their backup QB wasn't a good fit. Looks like he turned out very well in an offense that features mobility. Did they adjust the scheme to a west coast offense when Vick got hurt? No, they kept the scheme and altered what he does in it to help him be successful. Good coaching to create better players!
     
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    They went from nothing to dominant because of Smith. I was referring to Smith's lack of confidence and talent in his early years at San Fran. You really need to get your stuff together.

    Also your baseball reference is flawed. The Braves had arguably the best pitching rotation in the history or MLB and only won 1 championship in like 15 years.
     
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  7. Finnebosch

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    Honestly I'd be lying if I said that I was feeling confidant about our defense this season even though I think that Ray Horton is a top 5 defensive coordinator in the NFL. No matter what scheme was being played in the preseason I don't no if it makes up for the fact that we tackled horribly and were so soft up the middle. I do not believe we are good enough at NT with Hill and Woods and we do not have an impact edge rusher still. Casey is a stud but who else in our front seven is going to make opposing offenses sweat? We also have issues at CB if Wreh Wilson turns out to be unable to handle that job across from McCourty.

    Horton is a great coordinator but he can't make gold out of lead.
     
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    lol you don't have to have a mobile QB to run Chip Kelly's offense. No one thought that and if they did they don't know what the heck they're talking about.
     
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    So you said Parcell's didn't do crap with the Cowboys. Do you think him turning around a team that had 5 wins for 3 seasons and getting them to the playoffs is crap? That's an easy yes or no answer.

    So Kelly made Nick Foles? Ah...a coach making something out of a player. Great job proving my point!

    And Alex Smith did what? In case you're not much for stats, take a look at Alex Smith's first 6 years in the NFL and then look at the last 3 with Harbaugh and Reid? Did he all of a sudden get dramatically better in year 7? I guess these are just coincidences that just happen to coincide with some great coaching.

    And you're funny because Reid has done exactly what you want from us...a team to consistently make the playoffs. Like Parcells, it took him only his 2nd year to turn the Eagles around and made them into a perennial playoff team. They made the playoffs 9 out of 11 consecutive seasons. In his first year with the Chiefs, he turned that team around too. But it's all Alex Smith and the confidence boosters they play on the Jumbo tron, right?
     
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    So did Alex Smith get a TALENT infusion when Harbaugh got there? Is that an injection I can get to be a top 10 NFL QB too?

    If the Chiefs improvement was all due to Alex Smith, how come the defense got so much better. Did Alex play both ways???

    And as far as me getting my act together, I use facts and stats to back up what I say, you might try it sometime.

    And the FACT that the Braves were a dominant Organization during the time of their great pitching should tell you their level of success. Should they have won more World Series? Yes, but they were still a very successful team. unless you prefer a losing team...but I don't understand why you keep bashing teams that did what you say you want...perrennial playoff teams.
     
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