is it fair to compare whiz to munch??

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  1. Hormesis

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    Terrible when you think of the investment that has been made on receivers these last few years....... should be a strength.
     
  2. Ten_Titans

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    We need the veer
     
  3. 520

    520 2020 GOAT CHAMP from 3-7 to champ

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    Same with o.l. and lb's
     
  4. Alzarius

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    But... but... he was emotionless on the sidelines.
     
  5. Hormesis

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    Good point! :facepalm:
     
  6. Gut

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    To be fair, both teams (last year and this year) have roster problems and are not in the upper echelon of talent. But both rosters have playoff or near playoff talent. neither team played (or is playing) up to it's talent level.

    You can make the case for Munch that CJ quit on the team even before the season started and Fitz played well enough to give us hope before blowing a bunch of games. And the games we didn't lose on offense, our D certainly helped quite a bit. Still, it was easy to see Locker had improved and played well for the most part and had given fans hope that maybe he could be the guy...until he got hurt.

    Problem is, fans don't like complicated answers and like a scapegoat which is why QB gets all the praise and all the criticism. Fire the head coach...it's all his fault, right?

    Much had his problems as a HC. Clock managament, questionable coaching staff hires and not firing people holding us back. Poor OL play under a HOF OL who's the HC? And it's hard to overlook any culpability in CJ and Britt playing with so little effort we were better off without them! Munch inherited a lot of issues from the previous regime and while some things changed, a lot stayed the same. Some of those things are good and some are bad. Not holding players accountable is a MAJOR problem in all unsuccessful franchises.

    Whiz has some of the same problems and some totally different ones. Sure he brought 2 new schemes with him and some issues regarding those changes are understandable but people talk like us stinking is because under Whiz's system, the WR's forgot how to run a 9 route. Again, with new OL aquisitions we still have OL problems which leads to issues running the ball despite Sankey and McCluster being better RB's than what CJ was giving us last year. But not consistent enough. Our passing game has come a bit unglued and that has several contributing factors. First, Locker is a young QB now trying to learn a new offense (and Mett even more so) and CW knows the offense but isn't good enough to carry this team with mistakes by the OL in penalties and pressures, wr's not getting open or dropping the ball (or worse). None of them are right now. And when the offense isn't doing anything, our defense is paying for it.

    I must say I am more impressed with our defense by far despite less pedigree in talent. We had a lot of run fit issues earlier on and that has improved dramatically. Blidi got abused early on but has played extremely well. Avery Williamson had a breakout game and just might be the best LB we have (he was this past game). People were freaking out about our DL in the 3-4 but we have had little issue with our DL. Heck, I'm impressed we got one really good game out of Griff! That's progress. Horton has done a really good job covering the obvious holes in our defense and if they werent playing seemingly 40+ minutes a game, few of those holes would be exposed.

    So what does this all add up to. With very different styles, Munch got a little more out of these guys than Whiz has so far, but we are changing things for the future. While I really like what we've gotten out of our defense both in making the transition, playing high level D for spurts and developing young players on the go, Whiz's offense has been stinking. Make no mistake, the players have been a big part of this failure starting with our WR's, OL and to a lesser degree, our QB's but Whiz definitely has some responsibility as this is HIS offense and HE is calling the plays. He decides who is gonna play QB, who starts and plays all of the positions. And while Walker has been excellent this year, our WR corps has taken a step backword. Our new and improved OL is arguably worse, and our utilization of McCluster and KW is well below what I was hoping for. Every once in a while I see a nice play or good playcall, but too little. I think too much of our offense is looking for Hunter when we need to utilize KW and McCluster more to keep the chains moving and keep our offense on the field.

    I won't compare their records but there are issues with getting guys to play their A game. We did against KC which might have been our best outting in 2 seasons...but we reverted back to being a doormat. For me, the attitude is what needs to be changed more than anything else. We have seen one game of it. And after taking a few steps backwards...maybe we will be ready to take some steps forward by the last 4 games of the season?

    One of the things I admire most about Parcells is almost everytime he took a team over, he turned it around within a year or two...but behind that turn around was a change in culture. Frequently he did this by taking one of the better players on the team (who wasn't buying his system) and CUT him. It shook people up and put everyone on notice that you are not comfortable because you have a 6 year contract. I cut him, I'll cut you. You are all playing for your jobs. Penalties and excuses are not acceptable.

    I don't know about you guys and gals, but I've seen a LOT of penalties and excuses. Time to GET IT DONE!!!
     
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  7. kenny

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    What I like about Whiz is that he is not making excuses for guys. When they screw up he says it. When they are not playing to potential he doesn't try to hide it. He is making changes where he can. We have several rookies playing now, which didn't happen in the past. We have changed starting QBs mid season for performance issues. That hasn't happened here in forever. Other than the VY mess, but VY pretty much sat himself. Players are now being penalized for penalties they have in practice. The players are WORKING DURING THE BYE!!!! When was the last time this team didn't take a full bye week off????!! The coaching staff is making the efforts. There is a real lack of talent on this team. We have all been guilty of putting a better grade on players than they actually have earn. Mostly for optimism' sake.

    We could hire Big Bill from NE tomorrow and nothing is going to change except the frustration level of the coach. The GM we have now and the previous GM especially have put this team in a deep hole. Between busted 1st & 2nd round picks and horrible free agent deals our personnel assessment group has set this team back years!! We need a change at the top of the scouting chain before we will see some real change.
     
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    Be it offense or defense we absolutely MUST hit a home run on an amazing playmaker on either side of the ball. We need a player that when people talk about the Titans they say: Whatever we do we have to know where he is at all times. When analysts or announcers talk about them they say: You are in for a real treat today. This guy is going to create havoc on his side of the ball. He is a special football player.

    WE ABSOLUTELY MUST HAVE THAT PLAYER THIS YEAR!!!! Ruston HAS to prove that he can get it done in the draft. The way the season is going we will pick in the top 5. Hopefully Mett works out and we can use that pick on defense. That is where we need to start and have an amazing athlete, no scratch that amazing FOOTBALL PLAYER. We have athletes.
     
  9. Dman5TX

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    Went back and looked at our 1-2 round picks since 2005... LOL

    2005:
    Adam Jones
    Michael Roos
    2006:
    Vince Young
    LenDale White
    2007:
    Griffin
    Chris Henry (yeah the RB who wasn't even a starter in college)
    2008:
    Chris Johnson
    Jason jones
    2009:
    Kenny Britt
    SenDerrick Marks
    2010:
    Derrick Morgan
    2011:
    Jake Locker
    Akeem Ayers
    2012:
    Kendall Wright
    Zach Brown
    2013:
    Chance Warmack
    Justin Hunter

    All of these guys were drafted in the 1st or 2nd round. We don't have one 1st or 2nd round pick since 2005 that we can say we got it right! The only one you can make an argument for is Kendall Wright and obviously Roos is the only one we got right.

    That's why we suck. That's why we have no talent.

    Granted I do think so of this can fall on the awful position coaches Munchak had. None of our players developed and got better under Munch except KW and Verner.

    Still you have got to draft 100x better than that. Since 2005 one pick we can say we nailed it. That's terrible. Id be willing to bet we are probably dead last in the nfl in 1-2 round picks panning out in this time period. The raiders can probably compete with us in this lol maybe Jags too.
     
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  10. TitansWillWin2

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    Then why are we worse this year with a better coaching staff? #owned
     
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