Is Jameis more like VY or Cam?

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  1. The Hammer

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    I would say he is probably most like Matt Leinhart
     
  2. Dee

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    I would say you are probably most likely outta your mind with that comparison.

    If you are going off just numbers, which I don't know Leinharts then you are making a blind comparison.

    Watch their games, nothing alike.
     
  3. Dee

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    And I also wanted Matt over Vince back in the day.
     
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  5. Dee

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    At least you got Andy!
     
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  6. Gut

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    Glad George Whitfield is starting to make a career out of being a QB 'guru' after getting all his stuff from other coaches. His 'method' is so important because Manziel, Winston and Luck have trained with him. But how come all the other guys who have trained with him aren't superstars? Where did Taj Boyd go in the NFL draft. Is Nick Marshall a heisman candidate?

    This is someone making a living on the people he's associated with. They aren't famous BECAUSE of him! huge difference! So when I see Winston trained with some guy and that guy suggests (80-90% of other QB coaches are garbage) his focus is on footwork and mechanics...and then I see one of Winston's BIGGEST issues is his footwork and lower body mechanics. let's just say I don't put a lot of stock in a player 'training' with him.

    Be careful who you quote. A lot of guys are hear just to make money. Which is funny, because Whitfield complains this is what most QB coaches are (but not him of course;)
     
  7. Gut

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    The hype about Mariota is that he is an athletic freak who has a good NFL frame, can run like a rb, has a quick release, and is fantastic in the system he runs. Like Winston, he almost always knows where to go with the ball and is putting up spectacular numbers, even with a BAD OL!

    Sure he's a system QB, but he is a playmaker in every sense of the word and has played very well against all levels of competition and defenses. Winston has has not thrown the ball that well (TD to INT) vs Oklahoma State, Wake Forest, and Louisville. And frankly ND and Louisville dropped several more INT's that likely would have meant a loss for FSU.

    Mariota on the other hand, has only scored less than 3 TD's twice. He only has 2 INT's. In one game he threw 5 TD's vs 1 INT and in the other he threw 2 TD's vs 1 INT (but ran for 2 more TD's). He looks like a righthanded Steve Young...BUT...can he do that in a conventional offense. Can he read defenses conventionally and throw into tight windows? Those are the big questions.
     
  8. The Playmaker

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    I will glady take the risk on Mariota developing into more than a system QB (which I think he is) rather than trusting Winston to get his stuff in order. In 2010 I thought Cam would be trouble but now with Manziel and Winston, I would glady take Cam if he would've fell. The problem I have with Jameis is 1. I think he's slightly overrated. He can be a good QB but I don't see him as a "franchise savior". He's going to need a lot of help and then of course the off field issues. Really, who knows if that's all. Schools are getting pretty good at keeping certain things hidden.
     
  9. Dman5TX

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    Winston is a good QB and he does have intangibles that translate to the NFL. He is also surrounded with A LOT of talent at FSU.

    One thing I've noticed about Winston (I have not watched all his games) is that he does stare down receivers. That could just be a result of the offense they are running. I'm not going to pretend like I know the answer. Cam was the same way though.

    Winston can make all the throws and I actually don't think he will be a trouble maker in the NFL, but I don't think he is a franchise QB. He can be a good QB in the NFL with the right talent around him.

    Mariota is not an NFL QB. I saw him against Stanford and he was overthrowing swing passes to his RB's, throwing behind his WR's, and missing on really easy throws. Maybe it was just an off day, we all have them but I wouldn't draft Mariota until round 5 at least. Not impressed. He throws a lot of screens and his playmakers out run the defense. How is Mariota doing anything?

    Jake Locker is the prime example that measurables and "being an athlete" only get you so far.
     
  10. Gut

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    Well, to clarify a few things...

    First, McShay was the only one I'm aware of that thought Locker would/could be the #1 pick...probably off a rumor one of the 'insiders' told of an anonymous NFL GM saying he was a taller, righthanded version of Steve Young. First, no one should listen to such nonsense and second, the NFL advisory comittee (coming off of Locker's BEST college season) didn't give him a 1st rnd grade (let alone the first pick in the draft). Locker never completed higher than 58% of his passes. How could he be the first pick?

    I agree that Winston has a lot more holes in his game than people want to listen to. All they want to see is the good stuff...come backs and undefeated...not his actual play which is more relevant. He has sloppy footwork, at times stares down receivers, at times gets flustered if his first read isn't there. He also sometimes eliminates all of these mistakes when he plays for stretches.

    As for Mariota, I'll leave you with this. First, his 10.2 yds per ATTEMPT is 2nd highest of all QB's in college football. Last I checked, he doesn't have the 3 best wr's on the planet everyone has to play 10yds off. Even with a gimmicky offense, this is impressive. Second, he did not have his best game against Stanford for sure. But even in perhaps his worst game of the season, he accounted for 340+yds of Offense, 4 TDs to 1 INT. That did include a nice 25yd TD throw (not a catch and run). Mariota, not surprisingly, like Russell Wilson, can run when needed and use his legs as weapons. Winston can do it in college but won't be a big time runner in the pros. Mariota is Colin Kap with more polish and a lot more experience against top level competition. Mariota also boasts the highest QB rating in college AND the highest QBR rating (which takes into account things like strength of defenses faced).

    Don't get me wrong, I'm not advocating we draft Mariota, just that there are a ton of positives...especially stat-wise (which you'd expect). I think the only way you get Mariota starting in the NFL next year is if you drastically change your offense (like SF did for Kap). For a more traditional offense, you might have to sit him for a year or more. Or go the Indy route and throw him in on day 1 and let him learn on the job while we struggle another season.
     
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