Mariota vs. Leonard Williams vs. Trade

Discussion in 'NFL Draft' started by Alex1939, Mar 15, 2015.

?

Choose one

Poll closed Mar 22, 2015.
  1. Trade Down

    24.6%
  2. Leonard Williams

    53.6%
  3. Marcus Mariota

    21.7%
  4. Draft other (post player in thread)

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. TitanUpB4UGO

    TitanUpB4UGO Starter

    1,077
    303
    129
    Why would we go with Fowler or any OLB at #2 overall? Makes no sense. We brought in Orakpo, and brought back Morgan (plus added Massaquoi for depth) to address that hole. We could get the 2014 NCAA sack leader, OLB Kikaha (whom the Titans got a good look at, during the Senior Bowl week), at the top of the 3rd, or the OLB/DE from UCLA (hard to remember/pronounce so I'm not even going to try).

    I personally think we either take Mariota or trade it. People who are picking Leonard Williams don't realize that it's not a position of NEED. I mean, we'd end up having to cut someone from our roster to make room for him, cause we are loaded to the hilt along the DL.
     
    • Bullsh*t Bullsh*t x 1
  2. CheeseheadTitan

    CheeseheadTitan Pro Bowler Tip Jar Donor

    6,888
    1,971
    779

    Yeah, I remember when the Falcons picked him in the top 5.....wait, no.

    Last years Super Bowl showcased a 6th round pick vs. a 3rd round pick. The year before it was Manning vs. the same 3rd round pick. Drew Brees was not a top 5 pick, nor was Aaron Rodgers.

    There are examples of top picks finding success (Manning brothers, Big Ben, Luck, others), but there are many others that did not pan out. My point is this....this thinking that having a top 5 pick obligates us to take a QB regardless of how comfortable we are that he can transition to the pros is silly.

    We should extract the most value for the pick. If that means taking Mariota (which I personally disagree with, but I am not a scout nor a talent expert), then fine. However, if that means trading down to get more picks while letting someone else take the gamble on Mariota, I am down with that.
     
  3. TitanUpB4UGO

    TitanUpB4UGO Starter

    1,077
    303
    129
    It never fails....someone always has to bring up the EXCEPTION TO THE RULE. Implying that we can easily find our Tom Brady in the later rounds, because Tom Brady was one. And because of that, we have no need take a marquee QB when we are in position to do so. BS!!! Ruston Webster said himself that it's hard to find a situation where you can take the franchise-level QB you want, in the draft....because they are usually off the board by the time your pick.

    Funny, you never mentioned Steve McNair, taken at No.3 overall...he worked out well for us!!! You conveniently leave out all the examples that blow holes all in your argument. I can't imagine what this team's fortunes would have been if we passed on him....trying to find our franchise QB in the later rounds, as you suggest we do now (relying on Mettenberger or take a QB late in this draft).

    If we tried to make a living drafting our future franchise QB's in the 6th Rd, we'd never get out of the NFL cellar. Did you forget that Peyton Manning was drafted No.1, and Blake Bortles was taken early last year by the Jags (he is already proving to be a franchise-level QB). Cam Newton went No.1 overall...and took the worst team in the league, to the playoffs twice since. Aaron Rodgers slid to No.22, but he was still a 1st Rd QB. You never mentioned Andrew Luck, taken No.1, either. Where in the hell would Indy be if they passed on him and drafted their future QB in the 6th Rd? You have to be a special kind of stupid to adhere to that warped logic.

    It's the same kind of stupidity in the notion that not all 5 star recruits in pan out, and some of the best players in college were 3 star recruits. Problem with that line of thinking is the percentages. Teams that have a high percentage of 4-5 star recruits tend to win the most and most consistently. That's how Alabama is always in the national title discussion, the past several years.

    So, don't give me that BS, that passing on a marquee QB, when we DESPERATELY need one, is a bright idea. It's a foolish one.
     
    #303 TitanUpB4UGO, Mar 30, 2015
    Last edited: Mar 30, 2015
    • Bullsh*t Bullsh*t x 1
  4. TitanUpB4UGO

    TitanUpB4UGO Starter

    1,077
    303
    129
    The bottom line is this....the teams that find themselves routinely in the bottom of the league are there, largely because they never gave the QB position the urgent attention it needs. If you don't have a solid QB, your team isn't going anywhere. Hence the common adage, "It's a QUARTERBACK DRIVEN-LEAGUE." What part of that is so difficult for so many Titan fans to grasp?

    NFL teams don't go shopping for their franchise QB in the 6th Rd...OK? That's where you shop for a 3rd string backup. That's precisely what Mettenberger is, and nothing more.
     
    • Bullsh*t Bullsh*t x 1
  5. TitanJeff

    TitanJeff Kahuna Grande Staff

    30,461
    11,489
    1,769
    Welcome to the forum.

    We're talking about upgrading Pitoitua and his two sacks here on a DL that was a part of a 31st-ranked run defense. DE is a major position of need as was SS, CB and OLB.
     
    • High Five High Five x 1
  6. TitanJeff

    TitanJeff Kahuna Grande Staff

    30,461
    11,489
    1,769
    It is if he's a marquee QB. That's the big questions here and as many seem to feel he isn't as he is.

    I've watched QBs a long time. I like Mariota's quick feet and how fast he gets the ball out. I don't think those kinds of qualities are common. But I also have major concerns about his accuracy and whether or not he'll be able to adjust to the small windows in the NFL.

    Let's just hope Whiz & Co have seen enough to feel good about their decision—whatever it ends up being.
     
  7. TitanUpB4UGO

    TitanUpB4UGO Starter

    1,077
    303
    129
    Perhaps, but I don't think that is true. Pitoitua is HUGE....6'8" 310lbs and he's been very disruptive since he's been here. And DaQuan Jones was drafted last year to rotate in with him. Mike Martin is backing up Casey, and Klug was brought back as a situational pass rusher at DE.

    Remember, this defense that you claim is so terrible, was MUCH.MUCH better just the year before with largely the same personnel. So SOMETHING changed to make it worse. One is a switch to the 3-4 for the first time in franchise history. That ALONE....is enough to cause a major dropoff. Secondly, the offense was utterly abysmal. Much worse than the year before. When the offense doesn't do it's job, it not only makes the defense have to defend more often, but also keeps them on the field longer than it should.

    I could see a recurring pattern last year, in each game. The defense would often play extremely well in the first half, but the second half was completely different. It's because the offense was totally shut out in the first half and that wore the defense out. Sometimes, the best defense is an efficient, ball-control offense, that keeps the opponents offense on the bench.
     
    • High Five High Five x 1
    • Bullsh*t Bullsh*t x 1
  8. CheeseheadTitan

    CheeseheadTitan Pro Bowler Tip Jar Donor

    6,888
    1,971
    779

    Welcome to the forum....next time try reading the posts before blasting them.

    I NEVER said that we should pass up on a marquee QB if we have the chance. If we are sitting at #2 and Andrew Luck, Peyton Manning, or McNair (again) were there, I would be all over doing that. My concern (much as it was back in 2011 with Locker) is that Mariota is not a marquee QB.

    Tom Brady is not an exception (maybe the fact that he was such a low round pick is an exception, but that was not my point). Not only are not all star QBs not top 10 picks, many of the better QBs in my lifetime have not been top picks. I am not going to play Google researcher for you, but I am comfortable saying this.

    AGAIN (since you did not read this the first time apparently), we should extract the maximum value for the pick, and IMO Mariota is not the maximum value at #2. I truly wish that a "marquee" QB was available at that slot, but it is just not the case this season IMO. Wishing it was so, feeling compelled to draft a QB just because we are there, and "rinsing and repeating" is not what I want to see happen.....AGAIN.

    Hopefully you read this before responding to it this time.
     
    #308 CheeseheadTitan, Mar 30, 2015
    Last edited: Mar 30, 2015
    • Hit the Target Hit the Target x 1
  9. TitanJeff

    TitanJeff Kahuna Grande Staff

    30,461
    11,489
    1,769
    Very true. I totally agree that a bad offense didn't help. I also recall this defense giving up tons of early points in multiple games. They didn't get the job done.

    None of the players you mention on our DL are impact players like Williams is projected be. The talent level, as a whole, has to improve.
     
  10. J Falk

    J Falk Starter

    2,986
    747
    439
    And you know this for a fact now do you?

    Picking fowler at #2 would be pretty dumb in my opinion. OLB is super deep, and we just spent alot of money on two good ones.

    The only options at #2 should be winston, Mariota, Lw or trade. the other players shouldnt even be in the conversion.
     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  • Welcome to goTitans.com

    Established in 2000, goTitans.com is the place for Tennessee Titans fans to talk Titans. Our roots go back to the Tennessee Oilers Fan Page in 1997 and we currently have 4,000 diehard members with 1.5 million messages. To find out about advertising opportunities, contact TitanJeff.
  • The Tip Jar

    For those of you interested in helping the cause, we offer The Tip Jar. For $2 a month, you can become a subscriber and enjoy goTitans.com without ads.

    Hit the Tip Jar