Robinson lets two scouts go, hires new DPP

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  1. Clark

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    Here's a snap shot of when Demitrof took over the scouting department as GM of the falcons. Bringing along the patriots system.

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    Excerpt From: Holley, Michael. “War Room.” itbooks. iBooks.
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  2. Gut

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    I think you are reading too much into this. .08 change is not exactly earth-shattering and if you look across other positions, it doesn't really make sense. When you take talent out of the equation, you create problems trying to figure these things out.

    As far as the Sparq stuff, they only use one test the combine doesn't use and that is a power ball throw. So most of the tests (which have been evolving over the years) are the same as what all NFL teams look at in the combine (40, 20 shuttle, vertical). Sherman would not be highly rated on this as he ran a poor 40 (4.54) at only 195lbs. Byron Maxwell was kind of the opposite in that he had a good 40, but a relatively poor vert (33"). There is a reason these guys went so late. It's because they didn't have great athleticism and weren't good all around players. As I mentioned in a previous post, the good teams evaluate players in a role specific way which is light years beyond even a scheme specific definition.

    You should notice that Seattle ran a simple group of about 5 coverages and that the cb's they draft have usually 3 things in common. They are big, excellent press cb's and good in run support! They fit the ROLE of Seattle's D!!!

    And as far as getting more players from contacts like Saban, all the good guys do it. We'll see how Robinson does with this though this is the reason we took Byard.

    Analytics out of context aren't meaningful!
     
  3. Clark

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    Of course it's all in context Gut. That's the entire reason of scheme and team specific - if I failed to express that- my bad but it's always in regards to shedding light on it.

    The system is based on exacting ROLES for the players long before you ever draft them. The athletic portion is just as diverse and that is obviously where they feel comfortable with said athletics- not "well he ran a fast 40!" - no one is saying that
     
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    I believe that we will fall in love with the Conklin pick- Henry was a side piece picked for value of what he (Conklin) brings to the table.
     
  5. titan_fan_4ever

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    Excellent!

    Now call all these dudes in bold and try to hire some of them ASAP.... That is the target market.

    Defintely Ozzie is an excellent GM, I have mad respect for him, he seemingly nails it year in and year out; but surely his scouting deparment really helps him out?

    NameTitle
    Ozzie Newsome General Manager & Executive Vice President
    Eric DeCosta Assistant General Manager
    Pat Moriarty Senior Vice President of Football Administration
    Vincent Newsome Director of Pro Personnel
    Joe Hortiz Director of College Scouting
    Jessica Markison Director of Football Administration
    George Kokinis Senior Personnel Assistant
    O.J. Brigance Senior Advisor to Player Engagement
    Harry Swayne Director of Player Engagement
    Chad Alexander Assistant Director of Pro Personnel
    Collin Williams Assistant Director of Player Engagement
    Mark Azevedo Northeast Area Scout
    David Blackburn West Area Scout
    Ian Cunningham Southeast Area Scout
    Jack Glowik Midwest Area Scout
    Milt Hendrickson Mid-Regional Scout
    Andy Weidl East-Regional Scout
    Lonnie Young West-Regional Scout

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  6. titan_fan_4ever

    titan_fan_4ever Titans Rule

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    note, i did zero research before posting that last one btw... but i assume those guys have been there for a long time lol
     
  7. Gut

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    There is a big difference between how players are rated and the grading system used - which they started developing in the '90's to a letters/numbers specific thing. I'm not sure which point you are trying to make. I don't know the exact card/grading system the Titans used in the past, but most teams - at least the good teams - already have an updated card system. And you hear a recurring theme from all the Pats guys. They want big, fast, hard-nosed tough football players. Why? Because that's what got them most of their success! Ironically, when they were setting offensive records, they lost 2 SB's they were expected to win. The Pats guys don't say we want a 3-4 OLB who has these measurables because that's only a part of the equation. Did Wes Welker have great physical stats? No, but he was special in a role so they traded a 2nd round pick for him I think.

    And the FACT that they have a mark for players who fall outside of their desired physical numbers should tell you they will take talent over athleticism.

    And even Belicheck hasn't always drafted the best players which is why he had to go get Revis and a few others to try and get them back over the top. He's missed on a bunch too. I have a feeling we'll be watching Podesta in Cleveland now too because he's already out-Belichecked Belicheck in terms of draft pick maneuvering to quickly rebuild his team thru the draft.

    Thank you for the excerpt. I have read that book and many more.

    My wife, who is not a football person in any sense of the word, does a similar job. She goes in and defines specific roles for people in a business. Then she discusses the personality and traits they should look for for each job. The ones who follow her advice, usually become very successful. The ones who don't, stay with a less profitable system and constantly complain why things aren't better. Sound familiar?

    The problem with antiquated coaches or front office people is that they don't like change. Moneyball is a great example of that from baseball with football teams trying to figure out the same in this game. But even with defining roles and having great card systems and having both college and Pro grading systems matching, you still need a coaching staff that can TEACH and develop players, put those players in positions to succeed, and gameplan/call the game effectively. I think we are lacking quite a bit on the coaching side, but JR has done a very good job in overturning this roster, adding talent, and bringing in a new culture. You want to call it the Patriot's Way, have at it. But the idea of having big, fast, tough players comes from belicheck's previous boss and he got it from....you get the idea.

    In short, I'm happy JR is our GM as we've been missing a 'football' guy running the ship for quite some time. We might still need the same overhaul on the coaching side, but we'll see what Mularkey and his band of old timers can do with some influx of talent!!!

    PS - Glad we agree that not only does a team need scheme specific players, but players need to fit into defined roles. As this becomes more and more specific, it throws PFF type analysis out the window and they aren't/can't grade players specifically enough for the context you need. And on the coaching side, I'm not sure our coaching of these role specifics is as advanced as our scouting is (or will soon be). Mularkey better get the offense firing on all cylinders from Day 1 because this division just got a great infusion of talent!
     
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    And btw, Malcolm Butler doesn't fit into their draft statistics since he was undrafted and even with poor measurables by NFL standards (5'9 1/2, 187lbs, 4.62 40, 7.2 3-cone, 33 1/2" Vert), he's not only a starting CB, but is probably their best one. Talent can (won't always...but CAN) trump athleticism especially if it's a specific enough role for that player to still succeed.

    I will add that one of the advantages of manipulating the draft to get players you want and getting more picks is to get a much better chance at a positive result. Casserly made a very good point the other night when comparing the Browns and Ravens 4th and 5th round picks. The idea is that in general (key word here), you have a 20-25% success rate so when the Browns take 8 players, they should hit on about 2 of them. The ravens had 6 picks so they should hit on 1. But Cleveland only selected 2 players in those rounds that other teams rated as worthy of those rounds while the ravens chose 4 of 6 players graded in those rounds. Again, how good is the grading system each team uses? I'll add to that the quality of coaching and teaching those players....

    And that's why it's a complex and tough business!
     
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