Who will be our next head coach??

Discussion in 'Tennessee Titans and NFL Talk' started by lilkhmerkid4u, Sep 26, 2016.

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  1. Dman5TX

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    Says the guy who is saying I claimed its not the players fault here.

    You want to talk about facts but ignore them all except that Josh wasn't a good OC in STL. But then you ignore the players, but you don't when talking about NE. You need to get over that double standard and realize it takes both to be successful.

    I said we are loaded with talent, really? Where did I say that? What was that about putting words in people's mouths? The irony in your posts are astounding. Only focus on the players when it helps your argument but ignore them when it hurts your argument. Sounds like a solid way to view things to me.

    Label it as an excuse all you want but you have to have good players in order to be successful. And that is a fact.
     
  2. Wolverine

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    What facts are their? All success he has had is with the Patriot organization. You claimed with the Rams it was the players and not his play calling. You want to bring to the argument Cassel, Grappolo and Brissett. They all play for the Patriots, the only place he has had success. Why couldn't he win with Bradford, Orton, Tebow? If anyone has a double standard is you sir. Your are ignoring everything outside of the Patriots organization. Every OC before and after him has the same exact success and failure in and outside of the organization, what makes him so different? You have not brought one compelling argument to that question.
     
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  3. Dman5TX

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    Lol the facts are that it takes both players and play calling!

    I brought up the backup QB's because you claimed all his success was from Brady but clearly the Pateiots have success without him.

    I am not ignoring everything outside the Pats organization hahaha what?!? I have literally acknowledged it all!! You are ignoring everything he's done while with the Pats.

    With Denver the Broncos started 6-0 and had a really good offense. But clearly Josh can't handle the duties of GM. Surround the guy with talent and he has proven he can make a successful offense with it.

    What makes him different? He had success without Brady those other OC's didn't

    You literally said good players don't matter if you are a good play caller... Meaning having good players is completely irrelevant to success. I don't even know why I continued this convo after that statement.

    You only want to bring up good players when it happens in New England. That is the definition of a double standard. You still can't even acknowledge he had roster control in Denver or that "most" coaches don't have that luxury.

    You take out his large sample of work to provide a smaller sample of failures. Every successful coach failed at some point.

    In fact, whoever you think the best play caller is, I could probably find a stat that shows they had a down year or 2 just like you can.
     
  4. GrayGhost1951

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    In January of 2019 you guys can have a great debate about our new coach depending on who is available.
     
  5. Wolverine

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    Most of it is due to Brady, but my argument is his success is all with the Patriots organization. Try again.

    He has yet to have success outside of the organization. Try again.

    Not once did I say any of this. Your argument has been he is a great OC. All his failures has been player execution, and not playcalling. My rebuttal was the Titans. You claimed we have talent, its fact our coaches had success in multiple organizations. So if we have the "combination" of players and coaches why have we not seen success on the field. Try again.

    No s*** buddy. If McDaniel's had more stops outside of organization, I would expect the same results. Matt Cassel has had success without McDaniels, his other so claim QB's that he won with has yet to play outside of the Patriot organization. Every OC that left the Patriots has failed as a head coach. How do you not see this trend at all?
     
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  6. Dman5TX

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    You can't even keep track of what you've said

    "So here comes the excuses. McDaniels is a master X and O guy player talent shouldn't matter. If he was such a great play caller it shouldn't have matter"

    Lol
     
  7. Dman5TX

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    McDaniels had his offense rank top 15 in yards per game both years he was coach
     
  8. Wolverine

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    Dude you are clueless. You claim he failed because of talent, you claim he is great because what he did with all other Patriots QB's. You claim you need to have a combination of both. So are you claiming all other Patriots are great, his play calling is great, or it's a combination of both?
     
  9. Dman5TX

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    The Patriots have talent outside of Tom Brady. It's a combination of both in New England. It's not that difficult to understand. Well maybe it is for someone who thinks player talent doesn't matter.
     
  10. Wolverine

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    Yet again never said that, the statement you are referring to is sarcasm towards your constant backtracking for the excuses of why he failed elsewhere and then the contradiction to why he is so great for the Patriots.
     
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