Are Sims or Reed Poised for a Breakout Season?

Discussion in 'Tennessee Titans and NFL Talk' started by Dangermode, Mar 16, 2017.

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  1. JCBRAVE

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  2. Dman5TX

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    No it took me this long to explain to you that anyway you look at it - the Titans were one of the top spending teams this year. It was common sense that if we were tops amongst the life of the contract, we would be in guaranteed money, and we would also be for just this year. Or any other way you want to try and disprove it.

    After I brought up the life of the contracts you asked "how much of that money is guaranteed?" So I showed you the guaranteed money. Then you said "how much of that money is guaranteed THIS YEAR?" So I showed you that as well.

    So let's say we sign Bouye. You are telling me you would be happy then. So we would have $43 million in cap space instead of $48... that's still a "big cap disadvantage" or as you like to call it "cap deficit".

    Again, you CANNOT argue that the Titans "didn't do dick" or that they "could've spent SOMETHING". Because that is false. They DID do something, and DID spend something.
     
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  4. Gut

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    You keep (and again in this post) trying to pat us on the back for being a top 10 spending team in free agency. I keep telling you it doesn't matter if we are first or last. The only thing that matters is whether we maximize our resources ON THE FIELD or we don't.

    I pointed out the fallacy of believing we spent $84mil in free agency because we didn't. And the POINT of asking you how much of the money was guaranteed was to prove that the $84mil they 'committed' to in free agency (a very different thing) was unlikely to be paid so the point of using that number was silly other than to make fans feel good and say WOW, LOOK HOW MUCH MONEY WE SPENT!!!

    But as you eventually concluded, we only committed $29mil of our cap this season with $48mil still available. Even if that $29mil made us tops in the NFL in free agent spending, I'd be making the exact same point. That $48mil represents almost 29% of our cap NOT being used! You think that keeps us as competitive as we could be with a 29% disadvantage?

    Clearly you don't understand what we are debating since you seem to focus on words said by other people and implying that that it is what I am discussing. I never said we didn't do anything. Unless you want to quote me, please stop repeating things that are simply not true.

    And you seem to believe that just because I used Bouye as an example, that if we just signed him I'd be happy...which again, is not true and more importantly, misses the point. We need to maximize our resources. 25% in unused cap is better than 29% in unused cap but we should use quite a bit more! Most competitive teams will have between zero and $20mil in unused cap. Most good teams that have more ONLY have more because they haven't paid their qb (Titans, Raiders). So while we have that extra cap, we should put it on the field!

    Keep in mind, IF we had signed a significant free agent last season (in addition to what we did) and it was a 5 year contract, we could have put that money on the field for 4-5 years before we needed it for Mariota or Lewan depending on our intentions for their contracts. But that money could have already been on the field and gotten us into the playoffs last year.
     
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  5. abc2330

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    So did that money get the Jags to the playoffs last year?
     
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  6. Dman5TX

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    Lol you jumped into this conversation!!! I never said YOU said we didn't do anything. I said you CANNOT argue that, and the comment that I replied to was trying to argue that. (Which if you go back and read is how this started). See below for the quote that I responded to, and then you jumped in.

    Again, you jumped in because I said we were one of the top spending teams in FA (and I actually never mentioned $84 million.. you did!)

    There is my quote. Says absolutely nothing about $84 million dollars being spent. So who is the one that keeps bringing up spending $84 million because it's not me...


    So you are advocating that we should have spent big in free agency (that is the only feasible way we can get to $20 million in cap space or a "cap deficit" this year). If you want us to get down to AT LEAST $20 million in cap space we would have to spend a lot of money in FA. So you DIDN'T just want 1 or 2 big name players, like you have been trying to suggest (even though you just admitted one player wouldn't make you happy). Make up your mind - which is it? Spend big and get down to $20 million (at least) or only sign 1-2 big name guys?

    Also, how many of the good teams with lower cap space spend their cap on re-signing their own guys compared to signing a lot of big name FA's?

    You have also stated that, "if other teams are going to spend it and we aren't; we are at a disadvantage". So you want us to spend money just to keep up with other teams spending??? LOL which is the same thing as spending money just because you have it... which you claim you do not want to do (and I believe you there).

    What if I told you we could address all of our major needs and still have a lot of cap space for FA next year? Seriously the only "glaring" need we have right now is a coverage LB, and there wasn't a single one of those guys we could have signed to make a "significant impact". Plus we have some options there that we will have to wait and see how they perform this year too. Maybe it won't be need after the year is over, or maybe it will.

    So now we have fewer needs, a lot of cap space, and a really good crop of FA next year. Where we can also go out and sign some impact guys.
     
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  7. Gut

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    Of course not...they have the same cap disadvantage that we do in that they are NOT maximizing their resources ON THE FIELD! They have $45mil in unused cap!
     
  8. abc2330

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    Yeah, lack of activity in free agency is really the Jaguars' problem...
     
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  9. Gut

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    Try to understand what I'm saying so you'll understand the point. Your comments show me you don't understand the point nor what I am saying. If you want to discuss this further, show me you understand what we are talking about.
     
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  10. abc2330

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    Everyone gets your point, but you're still suggesting spending money just because it's there. Your belief is that it should theoretically result in a better team and more wins, when there have been many cases in which overspending for a FA doesn't work. You want to "take chances" on guys by signing them up to devour $16M of your cap in the future, when you're not even 100% sure what you're getting.
     
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