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It isnt worst logic. We have invested on offense for the past two yrs. You cant turn around a defense to historic within one draft class.

The Patriots defense in the playoff in 2001 gave up 15.7pts/game, 19pts/game in 2003, 17 pts/game in 2004, and 20.7 pts/game in 2015.

On offense during playoff, Brady threw 1td - 1int in 2001, 5tds - 2ints in 2003, 5tds - 0ints in 2004, and 10tds - 4ints in 2015. (3games total each year)

Manning never won a SB despite his greatness, his defense has. Brady has mutiple times despite his defense.

 

For Denver that was the end of a streak with 2 SB appearances, 4 divisional games and 1 WC appearance (5 year period).
For Baltimore that was the end of a 5 year streak for them that had 1 SB win, 2 more AFCCG losses, and 2 divisional round losses.

What do you mean 1 and done?

That was sustained success for both teams that reached the pinnacle of winning the SB. Surprising, after winning a SB, other teams try to poach your Coordinators and players, plus your own players want paid, which hurts the salary cap.

 

Yes it is. You can't turn around a defense at all if you never invest in it and certainly not to "historic" levels.

 

Do you even realize what you typed here?

A) you proved that even Peyton Manning can't win without Defense.

B) NE in 2004: 17 PPG was #2 in the league
NE in 2003: 19 PPG was #1 in the league
NE in 2001: 15.7 PPG was #6 in the league

in 2015 they were #10 in PPG.
So no, Brady didn't win "despite" his awesome defense that was among the best in the league.

Each of those 3 SB, they were among the absolute best Defenses in the league yet your argument was to continue investing in the Offense because after 2 straight years of doing so, we are not winning. That also = neglecting the Defense.

 

Joe Flacco nearly threw for 4,000 in 2013. Granted his TD/InT ratio is in the negative side, you cant say that team was solely carriered by the defense. Unless you just value defense so much.


Again, besides 2015 Historic Broncos defense, in the last 10 years or so its been proven that you need a top 10 QB to take you to the stage and win it. Simple as that. Not sure why your arguing something thats right there for you to see.

 

By no means are those defenses considered “historic”, If PPG is the only deciding factor of greatness than I am done talking to you.

2014; Brady 4,101 yards — 35 TDs/9 int ratio.

Brady has only been a game managinf QB in one season maybe two.

 

Again, what are you talking about?

Flacco's 3800 was good for 14th in the league. He wasn't in "the negative side", he had 22 TD and 10 INT. That's 15th in TD and 5th in INT.

If we are using just the last 10 years, let's expand that to 15 and just say if you don't have Tom Brady, you aren't going to the SB.

I've put plenty out there pointing out you do not NEED a top 10 QB. Just look at NFL history.

 

You brought up the points per game, not me.

I have no idea what your definition is of "historic" but it's irrelevant anyway.

Why did you just post Brady's 2014 stat line and why do you keep posting that Brady also needs a good Defense to win when that is exactly what I've been saying from the get go?

You just posted this:
"Again, besides 2015 Historic Broncos defense, in the last 10 years or so its been proven that you need a top 10 QB to take you to the stage and win it."

Saying you NEED, MUST HAVE, NECESSITATE, ETC. a top 10 QB then proceed to tell me the NE Patriots (5 time SB winners over the same period you're arguing) didn't need a top 10 QB.

 

NE never had a historic defense. They won despite that, because Belichick is one if not the best coache of all time. But in todays league a “good” defense wont win you a SB if you have a Bortles type QB. Manning & Flacco were your recent bad QBs that won you SBs. The past 10 years or so its been top QBs that usually make it to the big stage. Not top defenses.

 

Uh, yeah and for the majority of that run they had an elite QB.