And naw he's not in Favres range. There was talk that he had a great arm and so forth. I tend to read a synopsis on a player prior to watching a whole lot of tape. The arm was big talk but I just don't find it personally. Stats are good too but again I don't money ball my evaluations either. I read other evals, get an idea of what to look for and start cross checking everything. I find it gives a good base for watching cut ups. I'm not saying I'm a pro scout, but pro scouts let Russell Wilson slip to the third. I thought just based on his play he was pretty special. I can't prove this to you because I didn't post about projections and so forth anywhere but I thought dude could play. And he is. I also thought jake locker would be doing better than he is. Albeit, my evaluations have been changed since then. I put somewhat of a less emphasis on touch throws at that point and over looked that when I wanted locker. That was a mistake. I've learned from that though. But anyways back to Murray. I'm again not saying he's terrible, and like any good qb, it takes time to develop a really great game. He could probably play best in a west coast style offense. He's not inaccurate but I'm not sure he has the zip to make timely throws to the far side hash consistently. The bulldogs aren't helping him by dropping balls either. That's apparent. He looks good in the pocket sometimes but also makes some silly "athletic" decisions that never amount to much. Those I mean by moving around and trying to extend plays. I don't think that's well suited for him. Give hima clean pocket, let him step up and he can probably win some games. Matt Ryan is the ceiling. And while that's a pretty solid ceiling, I don't think it will happen. Waiver in the third next year, not before.