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two surgeries to your throwing arm is durable?

http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/qb/mattleinart.html

 

First, its not that the post did not make sense. It is that you did not comprehend it. Thats ok. It doesnt bother me.

Second, you did use a stat to illustrate Pennington's pass percentage- as you admited. That percentage is a combintation of his accuracy, the recievers ability to catch, the teams they play against, the play that is called, etc, etc. There is no way of knowing from that stat which is the more accurate passer. The only way we can really determine that is if the two of them decided to test it out together with a fair and balanced measure. Otherwise there is not a way to tell who is truly better. That is why this is a team sport. All we can do is make inferences; and inferences almost always come with qualifiers. Qualifiers you choose to ignore to better sell your point.

Third, saying that with my logic we shouldn't keep score was inflammatory and just odd. That is how a TEAM determines who is better. I'm not saying you can't use quantitative data to determine who is better. I'm saying the quantitative data that is avaliable cannot be used to compare athletes individually. They can be used to compare athletes on a team, but not athletes individually, which is what we want to do for prospects. I'm basically saying that you cannot use stats to say one college prospect is better than another.

Fourth you asked if you cant use stats to evaluate a propect then how do you evaluate one. That is a good question. You try to break down the abilities that that position needs and evaluate the prospect on each of those abilities. Again, you cant do that with a TEAM stat; you need an individual's stat. Which we dont have. So all we can do is make subjective guesses. Cutler's arm is stonger or weaker than Leinarts, whose is stronger or weaker than Young's. Thats all we can really do. I hope this is clearer for you. :hmm:

 

Let me add to Prag's great posts that there's a reason why scouts and GM's look at gametape and not just compiles a total statsheet and find whoever's at the top.

Stats by themselves are meaningless.

I'm afraid your scientific reasoning wont ever win over RollTide though.

 

Tide might make a point if we could get a guy like Jacobs in the second and take a guy like Ferguson in the first. Jacobs could end up being a solid NFL QB with Ferguson an all-pro OT. Ferguson certainly is ranked right up there as one of the BPA and on top of that he is possibly the closest thing to a sure thing in this draft.
This is looking to be a fairly strong draft for QBs compared to what I originally thought. There are some QBs that have potential in the second round on to be solid pros. Jacobs is definately the #4 QB in this draft and would be a great value IMO with our 2nd round pick.

 

You seem to be using your "argument" to explain why we shouldn't draft Young. But yet, you are overlooking New Orleans, assuming you know what their decision will be. By your logic, whoever New Orleans' front office (*cough cough* nice crew there) decides to draft is going to be the best qb. Also, by your logic, had Brady Quinn entered this draft and graded out higher than Leinart or Young, that would make them both failures. It would also mean that if he slipped to number 3 or lower, that he is doomed to failure.

One thing about statistics is that they're only as smart as the person using them. In this case, that would mean they're pretty much worthless I'm afraid. =(

 

Dang dude, calm down. By what you're infering I can tell you're not understanding my points and your getting pretty defensive. When you're ready to finish this in a calm, well reasoned argument, I'll be glad to pick it back up. Re-read my posts a couple of more times and they'll make sense. No-worries. We'll all know the outcome soon enough. For now...chill...

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